What this does...

[ksu_FAN]

In reality, this is a "forgivable" loss, but our room for error is cut way down.  Now you certainly have to win the "supposed tos" vs ISU, @CU and OU and split with ku, @OSU.  If we want to dance, we've got to follow that formula, or win the ones "we should" and play on sunday in OKC.  Its probably going to take 12 total conference wins now (including OKC) to get in.

[michigancat]

In reality, this is a "forgivable" loss, but our room for error is cut way down.  Now you certainly have to win the "supposed tos" vs ISU, @CU and OU and split with ku, @OSU.  If we want to dance, we've got to follow that formula, or win the ones "we should" and play on sunday in OKC.  Its probably going to take 12 total conference wins now (including OKC) to get in.

I don't think that's right.  10-6 + one in OKC should do it.

[ksu_FAN]

I'm talking about a sure thing.  I think we have a good shot if we get 10 in the league and win one in OKC, but we'll probably be sweating on selection sunday.

10-6 + 1 (likely vs CU or Baylor) gives us "quality wins" vs UT and USC, an RPI probably ~40 and 5-5 our last 10.  That would put us squarely on the bubble.

[michigancat]

I think 10-6 would make us the 4 seed vs. oSu.

[cireksu]

We had a chance to control our own destiny, now if we lose 2 more we'll be at the mercy of the comittee.


This is the worst loss we've had this season.

[ksu_FAN]

I think 10-6 would make us the 4 seed vs. oSu.

Well, the NUBBs might be in position to do us a huge favor by beating the Pokes in the make-up game.

You are right though, even with this loss and a loss to ku, we still control our own destiny* for at least 4th in the league b/c we play OSU and OU our final two games.  The final two games were big before, but now they are enormous.  Biggest pair of games in a long time at KSU.

*as long as we don't slip vs ISU or @CU.

[michigancat]

We had a chance to control our own destiny, now if we lose 2 more we'll be at the mercy of the comittee.


This is the worst loss we've had this season.

CSU and UNM were actually much worse...Cal was close.

Assuming we finish 10-6 with wins over CU, ISU, and OU;


Tech would have to win out (@UT, oSu, CU, @ISU, BU) to get the nod over us.

oSu would have to go 5-1 (MU, aTm, @TT, KSU, @BU, @NU)

OU wouldn't finish ahead of us, since they already have 5 losses, and our win over them would be the tiebreaker.

Our resume would be very similar to aTm's last year:

21 wins, 44 RPI, 1-5 vs. top 50...the only difference would be "last 10", aTm started 3-6 in conference but won 7 straight.

[ksu_FAN]

Good analysis there.  I hadn't really looked at the other team's schedules.  It will be interesting to see how this plays out.  This team is reminding me of the 95-96 team quite a bit.  That team finished 4-6 in its last 10 and got in with 17 wins.

I do think its possible a 9-7 Tech or OSU might get the nod over the Cats anyway.  Tech's 3 big wins will have some pull with the committee; see KSU 1990.

[cireksu]

We had a chance to control our own destiny, now if we lose 2 more we'll be at the mercy of the comittee.


This is the worst loss we've had this season.

CSU and UNM were actually much worse...Cal was close.

Assuming we finish 10-6 with wins over CU, ISU, and OU;


Tech would have to win out (@UT, oSu, CU, @ISU, BU) to get the nod over us.

oSu would have to go 5-1 (MU, aTm, @TT, KSU, @BU, @NU)

OU wouldn't finish ahead of us, since they already have 5 losses, and our win over them would be the tiebreaker.

Our resume would be very similar to aTm's last year:

21 wins, 44 RPI, 1-5 vs. top 50...the only difference would be "last 10", aTm started 3-6 in conference but won 7 straight.

The losses you mentioned were bad but I'm think more of the timing of this loss.

[ksu_FAN]

While the timing was bad, its not a backbreaker.  If you just go look at kenpom last year, lots of at large teams lost road games in their leagues much worse than ours last night at Nebraska.  The key will be taking care of our business to the extent we still have a solid resume.  Get to 11 or 12 total wins in the league and we're still in decent shape.

[Joker]

1-5 vs. top 50...

That's the biggie to me.

What's Tech look like against Top50?

[cireksu]

After watching ku, CU, and now NU what makes you guys think we'll beat ku, OSU, or OU???

tech's won at least 3 against top 50, maybe 4.

[chum1]

LOL @ unfamiliarity w/ tournament selection process

[sys]

this was not a bad loss.  having lost a road game to nu won´t hurt ksu at all.  

the thing that hurts is not getting a win that would have given ksu a very easy track to 11 wins.  if that makes any sense.

[ksu_FAN]

this was not a bad loss.  having lost a road game to nu won´t hurt ksu at all.  

the thing that hurts is not getting a win that would have given ksu a very easy track to 11 wins.  if that makes any sense.

Yes, I agree completely.  It reduced our "margin for error" down the stretch, and I don't think that is a good thing for this team.  We have to hope that we respond the same way we did last time our backs were against the wall after the Tech loss.

[michigancat]

After watching ku, CU, and now NU what makes you guys think we'll beat ku, OSU, or OU???

tech's won at least 3 against top 50, maybe 4.

Well, OU just lost to ISU, for one.

We don't need to worry about Tech.

[catzacker]

After watching ku, CU, and now NU what makes you guys think we'll beat ku, OSU, or OU???

tech's won at least 3 against top 50, maybe 4.

Well, OU just lost to ISU, for one.

We don't need to worry about Tech.

I think we kind of do have to worry about TT.  We need them to tank.  Should they get to 8-8 in conference and win one in the Big 12 tourney (which I believe would give them 20 wins), I would assume they'd get the nod over us, even at 10-6.  We also have to worry about conferences that Butler and Air Force are in as well as the Valley.  Should a whole bunch of scrub teams win tourneys in which that conference was only going to get 1 or 2 or 3 teams in, we're going to get beat out.  This is, of course, all predicated on us actually not playing like a D2 team in the next 5 games.   

[michigancat]

After watching ku, CU, and now NU what makes you guys think we'll beat ku, OSU, or OU???

tech's won at least 3 against top 50, maybe 4.

Well, OU just lost to ISU, for one.

We don't need to worry about Tech.

I think we kind of do have to worry about TT.  We need them to tank.  Should they get to 8-8 in conference and win one in the Big 12 tourney (which I believe would give them 20 wins), I would assume they'd get the nod over us, even at 10-6.  We also have to worry about conferences that Butler and Air Force are in as well as the Valley.  Should a whole bunch of scrub teams win tourneys in which that conference was only going to get 1 or 2 or 3 teams in, we're going to get beat out.  This is, of course, all predicated on us actually not playing like a D2 team in the next 5 games.   

I guess my point is we need to worry about ALL bubble teams, not Tech.  Too many people act like there's a set number of bids from the Big XII conference.

And I don't see Tech getting in with an 8-8 B12 record.

[cireksu]

There sort of is a set number, 4.5.