I'm a grad student at UW. Actually, the undergraduate engineering programs at UW and KSU strike me as very much alike. Student pride? Not so much. I see more Stanford, UT, and Cal sweatshirts here (combined) than UW sweatshirts. Quite sickening. I guess maybe these are people who got into grad schools at these places and want everyone to know - whatever. Most UW students are surprisingly apathetic about politics too, so I'd say that it's similar to KSU in that respect too. Who knew? Manhattan has fallen far behind Seattle, I must admit, in lime-green-jacketed, spandex-clad, slow-moving-vehicle-sign-wearing safety cyclists. Way behind.