NU Hemorrhaging Recruits

[vanro03]

Remember when Cornhole fans would get all  about K-State recruiting JC's, when they've done it for years and took it to another  level when Callahan was there??

Cornhole fans are 

Bill would field a entire team of Juco's. And it worked a few times.

[GreatRedShark]

Remember when Cornhole fans would get all  about K-State recruiting JC's, when they've done it for years and took it to another  level when Callahan was there??

Cornhole fans are 

Recruiting a couple of elite JUCOs per year can add quality, instant depth at need positions.  Recruiting 10+ JC kids in any given class to build an entire team is recipe for a KSU-level failure for your football program.

I guess the concept of nuance and moderation is lost on you.  That, and consistent, winning football and sustained achievement.

[WillieWannabe]

well done Steve Dave, well done.

 

[sonofdaxjones]

No doubt if the state of Cornhole actually fielded the type of Juco programs that exist inside the state of Kansas . . . that the Cornhole football progam would take full advantage of it.  

But alas since Cornhole JC's don't play any real football to speak of . . . Cornhole fans like Van and GimmeRed are reduced to "explanations" and pure cop outs like, "cherry picking a few elite Juco" players and proclamations such as that.

Cornhole has 4 JC's committed right now, and will likely have more.  

Right now K-State has 7 JC's committed, of which 1 if not 2 were placements out of high school.

So yeah, you can see the huge, huge difference.

There's the "N" for nowledge education at work again.

[vanro03]

No doubt if the state of Cornhole actually fielded the type of Juco programs that exist inside the state of Kansas . . . that the Cornhole football progam would take full advantage of it.  

But alas since Cornhole JC's don't play any real football to speak of . . . Cornhole fans like Van and GimmeRed are reduced to "explanations" and pure cop outs like, "cherry picking a few elite Juco" players and proclamations such as that.

Cornhole has 4 JC's committed right now, and will likely have more.  

Right now K-State has 7 JC's committed, of which 1 if not 2 were placements out of high school.

So yeah, you can see the huge, huge difference.

There's the "N" for nowledge education at work again.

4 JC's? Who is the fourth?
Lavonte David (Fort Scott)
Jermarcus Hardrick (Fort Scott)
Chase Harper (Navarro)

[vanro03]

Guess the "N" does stand for nowledge....

[wes mantooth]

No doubt if the state of Cornhole actually fielded the type of Juco programs that exist inside the state of Kansas . . . that the Cornhole football progam would take full advantage of it.  

But alas since Cornhole JC's don't play any real football to speak of . . . Cornhole fans like Van and GimmeRed are reduced to "explanations" and pure cop outs like, "cherry picking a few elite Juco" players and proclamations such as that.

Cornhole has 4 JC's committed right now, and will likely have more.  

Right now K-State has 7 JC's committed, of which 1 if not 2 were placements out of high school.

So yeah, you can see the huge, huge difference.

There's the "N" for nowledge education at work again.

4 JC's? Who is the fourth?
Lavonte David (Fort Scott)
Jermarcus Hardrick (Fort Scott)
Chase Harper (Navarro)

Wooo.  Easy there guy, no need for defending juco players.  I'm sure your coach has a very logical reason for recruiting so many.

[sonofdaxjones]

I thought Moreno Valley was a JC . . . so my bad.

The point still remains, Bo will have signed anywhere from 6-8 JC's in his first two classes and KSU will have signed about 12 in Snyder's 1st 2 classes.    That's not a huge difference.

[85catbacker]

Recruiting 10+ JC kids in any given class to build an entire team is recipe for a KSU-level failure for your football program.

I guess I'll get a hold of the late 90's & early 00's KSU teams that consistently beat the Huskers and tell them they were failures since the rosters were loaded with Juco kids.

I don't care where the players come from.  If they have football skills, fit into the system, work hard, and are well coached, they will win games.

[info]

I thought Moreno Valley was a JC . . . so my bad.

The point still remains, Bo will have signed anywhere from 6-8 JC's in his first two classes and KSU will have signed about 12 in Snyder's 1st 2 classes.    That's not a huge difference.

Bo signed 2 JC's last year and 3 this year. Not sure how that translates into 6-8 but if it helps make your point...more power to ya.

[GreatRedShark]

I thought Moreno Valley was a JC . . . so my bad.

The point still remains, Bo will have signed anywhere from 6-8 JC's in his first two classes and KSU will have signed about 12 in Snyder's 1st 2 classes.    That's not a huge difference.

Bo signed 2 JC's last year and 3 this year. Not sure how that translates into 6-8 but if it helps make your point...more power to ya.

Come on, dude.  5 and 12 are the exact same number.

[GreatRedShark]

Recruiting 10+ JC kids in any given class to build an entire team is recipe for a KSU-level failure for your football program.

I guess I'll get a hold of the late 90's & early 00's KSU teams that consistently beat the Huskers and tell them they were failures since the rosters were loaded with Juco kids.

I don't care where the players come from.  If they have football skills, fit into the system, work hard, and are well coached, they will win games.

Agreed.  I'm not anti-JUCO, and understand how much Prop 48 kids helped Nebraska during our elite years.  I love taking 2-3 top JUCO's per year to add instant playmaking to a team.

But I - and most coaches - know that you can't build long term stability as a program taking a lot of JUCO kids, as the turnover is so quick, it always leaves you scrambling to plug holes, which becomes a vicious circle.

Snyder built some monstrous teams on the backs of JC kids, but the level of success KSU experienced was pretty quick, as evidenced by the tailspin during Snyder's last few years before his initial retirement.  Then Prince came in and f-ed you guys hard with his obscenely JUCO-heavy classes.

Snyder seems to be looking to balance that out with more HS kids so far.  We'll see how it all plays out...

All I know is that your JUCO RB Thomas is a goddamn witch.

[sonofdaxjones]

Here's the deal GimmeRed . . .  they are building depth with JC players, as I said earlier, there is no JC football to speak of in Nubb, if there were, Cornhole would be recruiting a lot more of them.    K-State will have signed like 42 - 43 guys plus gray-shirts  in Snyder's first 2 classes, 12-14 will be JC transfers, and several of them were K-State placements out of high school. 

[ChokeSlam]

Doods,

It's like this -

Even though Nebraska won the North in 2005 after signing 7 juco's in '04 and 12 in '05*, that didn't count.  I don't even think they cheered for that team.  We should start calling our linebackers Will, Mike, and Sam.  Then maybe we would have the football smarts to understand these things.

*(numbers may be off a little, but you get the idea)

_________________________________________(Huskers - insert explanation about Callahan while either: a. ignoring the fact that no one from NE had a problem with it back then or at the start of the '07 season when everyone in NE thought they were going to win the national championship or b. claim that you were against it then and hated Callahan from the beginning even though neither are true)

[jeffy]

[Andy]