Dropping "bowl berth" as a goal...

[ksu_FAN]

We've had the "importance of bowl practice" debate before.  I do think it would be beneficial for this program where we are right now.  Usually you take nearly a week and work your younger guys for the next year.  I think that would be of great benefit, especially for the continued development (hopefully) of the defense and of our younger WRs.  

[chum1]

They don't seem to be benefitting from in season practice.  I don't know why post season practice would help.

[kougar24]

FAN, you know I respect the hell out of your opinions, but you really think a single week of practice would help the young kids out "greatly"?

I just don't see it.

[ksu_FAN]

FAN, you know I respect the hell out of your opinions, but you really think a single week of practice would help the young kids out "greatly"?

I just don't see it.

Great is probably overstating things.  I think anytime you can give young guys extra significant practice doing "our stuff" it helps.  Remember, most of these guys are spending most of their snaps on scout teams during the season.  They learn a lot from watching film of the games and what goes into practice, but their snaps for the most part aren't going to be doing our stuff.  I do think it helps to give them a week of practice during bowl season and then a few months later significant time in the spring before the summer. 

[KSUTOMMY]

In ANY other program, I think that Mangina would be back working at the PA turnpike authority. Pinkel, eh - who knows, BUT with the talent that he has had in the past, he really doesn't have a leg to stand on with his results.

Mangina either - sold ku AD a line of goods or is the luckiest person alive. This season couldn't have come at a better time for ku - dead horse. Hopefully, they dont blow it as historically - they have.

[kougar24]

Hopefully, they dont blow it as historically - they have.

WTF?

[cireksu]

Prince should be given 4 years.  Winning the north every 3-4 years is a reasonable expectation/goal to have.  If Prince is in year 4 and is not close to winning the north, I'm talking 3-5, 2-6 record, then I will be worried.

I think most people before this season that weren't completely powertards thought that this season had 6 or 7 wins and any more than that would mean upsets had to occur.  As it stands, i see that we've won one game we shouldn't have and lost 1 that we shouldn't have.  

Playing Auburn to the wire and pounding texas greatly inflated our expectations especially since many of us thought that ku wasn't legit based on their schedule, which was clearly bias and stupid of many of us.

This team is just plain not good enough to overcome mistakes like we made on Sat, even when playing against "inferior" competition.  However I do think that it says something that when we do not make mistakes we have the talent and capability of pounding more talented teams which does say something positive about the coaches and players that they have assembled.

What the year boils down to is that we are a very average team dispite early season optimism of "greatness".  We are clearly not consitant enough to compete for the north title.  And that is usually what separates good teams from average teams.

[LimestoneOutcropping]

Good responses.

Rusty, I'd say winning the North at least once every 3 (to 4...okay) years should be reasonable for K-State.

would you fire ron if he doesn't win the north next season?

Well, I said "to 4," so it would be after Year 4, not next year. I'd have to say I'd consider it. I might give him a "grace period" of 2 years as a new coach to implement his system, which would give him 5-6 years to win it. That would depend on how close we were in Year 4, though. If we finished in the bottom third, I'd probably fire him, yes.

4 years without a title will mean he squandered 4 years of having a pretty good QB.

[KSUTOMMY]

Hopefully, they dont blow it as historically - they have.

WTF?

Historically means, prior to this season. Does it make sense now? Remember the close losses etc blowing games at the end.

[kougar24]

Hopefully, they dont blow it as historically - they have.

WTF?

Historically means, prior to this season. Does it make sense now? Remember the close losses etc blowing games at the end.

That wasn't what I was WTF-ing about. I should have bolded "Hopefully." Why do you hope ku doesn't blow it?

[bry4321]

Goals:

1.  Beat ku
2.  Beat ku
3.  Beat ku
4.  National Championship
5.  Beat ku
6.  Undefeated Season
7.  Beat ku
8.  Destroy ku

[rjd27]

Teams should always strive to make post-season play, so in that frame-of-mind, making a bowl game every season is the objective. What type of bowl game, now there's the question and a reflection of where the team is (though, not where it may be going).
I do like that Prince believes the team needs at least 7 wins to make a bowl game. He understands it's not enough to just qualify. It also puts some needed pressure on the players to step up and respond. If they do, 7 wins is possible. If not, then some alarming questions will need to be asked. But, I would caution fans not to jump off the ship or start calling for a coaching change. Prince needs, at a minimum, 4 years to install his system and philosophy and get his type of players. Once Snyder's recruits have departed, we can judge whether Prince, and his system, is right for the long term.
R.J.

[ksu_FAN]

Be the best in the state.
Be the best in the North.
Be the best in the Big 12.
Be the best in the nation.

If you can be the best in the North/Big 12 without being the best in the state that is fine.  ku is important, but not the end all for K-State.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

If you can be the best in the North/Big 12 without being the best in the state that is fine.

So how would that be accomplished?

Despite head to heads, the team with the better north record will essentially be the better team.

[sonofdaxjones]

Goldy, would please explain to us why you went nearly 3 months without posting??   Out of the country, your mom disconnected your DSL line???

[ksu_FAN]

If you can be the best in the North/Big 12 without being the best in the state that is fine.

So how would that be accomplished?

K-State gets beat by ku but still finishes ahead of ku in the standings.  That isn't that hard.  For example, if KSU beats MU, then ku is north champs even if they lose to MU.  

I'm more getting at the notion if all you do is be the best in your state but never contend for the North or Big 12 title, then you aren't getting the job done.  If beating your rival becomes more important than other goals like being competitive in the league, then you are headed in the wrong direction.  However, I will fully accept that ku essentually did that with Mangino and it worked out, but that doesn't happen very often.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

Goldy, would please explain to us why you went nearly 3 months without posting??   Out of the country, your mom disconnected your DSL line???

Do you want more of me?

Been at the warzone.

[sonofdaxjones]

Odd, that you wouldn't post on this board (since nobody gets banned) for nearly 3 months and then when you know for sure that ku is going to have a pretty darned good season you suddenly show up again.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

You can check dates. I posted at the warzone at least a week before the ku/Ksu game. Plenty of times to get shots in for anyone that wanted to.

This place is gopowercat revisited. Its not as if I'm running rampant all over it throwing ku in your face.

And Rodless has banned me from here before.

[mjrod]

Well, you know Goldy dropped out of school and has more time now....

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

Yes, in a fictional world, I have indeed done so.

[mjrod]

Say you're saying anime IS real?

[sonofdaxjones]

You can check dates. I posted at the warzone at least a week before the ku/Ksu game. Plenty of times to get shots in for anyone that wanted to.

This place is gopowercat revisited. Its not as if I'm running rampant all over it throwing ku in your face.

And Rodless has banned me from here before.

I never said you running "rampant" . . . and no this isn't gopwercat revisited on here, not even close by any stretch of the imagination.  

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

You can check dates. I posted at the warzone at least a week before the ku/Ksu game. Plenty of times to get shots in for anyone that wanted to.

This place is gopowercat revisited. Its not as if I'm running rampant all over it throwing ku in your face.

And Rodless has banned me from here before.

I never said you running "rampant" . . . and no this isn't gopwercat revisited on here, not even close by any stretch of the imagination. 

Its pretty damn close.

Seriously.

Tards all over the place. Opinions forced down others throats. About the only real difference is the people here see the logic in not paying for information that may or may not be exclusive for about two hours before it enters mainstream.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

Say you're saying anime IS real?

I'm saying anime is more interesting than Battlestar Galactica.

[sonofdaxjones]

Hmmm . . . well since we aren't capable of having discussion that meets your high standards goldy, why even bother posting here??

[Keys1313]

If a coach goes to a bowl game every year at KSU, he shouldn't be fired.

If you sustain that success, you'll get better than everyone else because of turnover in the league.

I know I say it over and over, but all I want from KSU football is a bowl game every year and a North title once every 4 or 5.

Agreed.  7-5 and 8-4 every year with the occasional 9 or 10 wins and B12 championship game is all I ask.  Is that so much?  Me thinks not.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

Hmmm . . . well since we aren't capable of having discussion that meets your high standards goldy, why even bother posting here??

I'm not saying 100% of the discussion sucks.

I'm saying 98% of the discussion sucks.

Sometimes I post for the 2%.

[sonofdaxjones]

Hmmm . . . well since we aren't capable of having discussion that meets your high standards goldy, why even bother posting here??

I'm not saying 100% of the discussion sucks.

I'm saying 98% of the discussion sucks.

Sometimes I post for the 2%.

Okay . . . super.   

[jeffy]

I'd gladly sacrifice a bowl trip this year if it means keeping ku out of the Big XII Championship or MNC game.