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November 04, 2007, 10:19:11 AM
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Lots of similarities starting to emerge in year two.......and lots of the same excuses are starting to be made. 

Always overachieved and seemed to beat at least one Top 25 team a season......and always had embarassing losses to the worst teams in the league.  Couldn't beat our non-rival.  Couldn't win on the road.  The recruiting is about the same.  The team never seemed to progress throughout the season.  Always seemed to have the program on the verge of taking the next step.......and it never happened.

Hopefully things get going next year.  My gut feeling is we could be in for another 4 years of "Give it some time" Wooly ball.





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November 04, 2007, 10:20:54 AM
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We're definitely not overachieving.

November 04, 2007, 10:28:18 AM
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It's his 2nd year.

November 04, 2007, 10:29:39 AM
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In football, every coach deserves four seasons at an absolute minimum.

If Prince goes to a bowl every year, he deserves to stick around as long as we'll have him.

November 04, 2007, 10:43:38 AM
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We look exactly like the NU fans do. Our fanbase blows.

November 04, 2007, 10:45:08 AM
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We look exactly like the NU fans do. Our fanbase blows.

We aren't looking to fire our coach after a 10-3 season.  Kind of a big difference. 

November 04, 2007, 10:45:36 AM
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We look exactly like the NU fans do. Our fanbase blows.

QFT.

Somebody on ksf told me that he wished we demanded greatness like NU does.

November 04, 2007, 10:47:41 AM
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We look exactly like the NU fans do. Our fanbase blows.

losing to ISU blows.
We all know there's been a conspiracy. Only the failures have been recorded.
We all pay too much attention to Icarus, and not enough to his father.

November 04, 2007, 11:03:39 AM
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Our fanbase blows.

I agree, our fan base does blow for the most part.

See the Altman/Asbury/Wooldridge era.  We just might willingly accept mediocrity better than any fan base in America.



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November 04, 2007, 11:05:13 AM
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It's his second year.

November 04, 2007, 11:10:38 AM
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I'm not saying don't give the guy some time or fire him after the season when we lose to NU, MU and Fresno.  I'm just saying, there are a lots of similarities starting to emerge between this football program and Wooly ball.


"Just a general question...Anyone else think Brian Smoller sounds like Bob Costas? I've told him that for years and he never believes me". - D. Scott Fritchen

November 04, 2007, 11:15:05 AM
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I'm not saying don't give the guy some time or fire him after the season when we lose to NU, MU and Fresno.  I'm just saying, there are a lots of similarities starting to emerge between this football program and Wooly ball.
We've compared Mangino to Wooly for his entire career until now. I say we have a fan base that blows because half of them are the stupid, blind idiots that thing everything is fine and that guys like Wyatt, Wooly, Weiser, etc. are good because they're "nice" and they represent our university well.

Then the other half of our fanbase just doesn't give a sh*t about basketball to begin with. They only care about football and that's likely because they just started following when Snyder came into play (just a guess). This side of the fanbase hates Prince for everything he does that isn't exactly like Snyder. They hate that Prince prefers butter over margarine. This is the side of the fanbase that doesn't realize that Snyder had two horrible years (including recruiting) before he retired and terrible years to begin with. This side of the fanbase would fire Prince in favor of hiring Phil Bennett as our head coach. Get the point?

November 04, 2007, 11:16:04 AM
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I'm not saying don't give the guy some time or fire him after the season when we lose to NU, MU and Fresno.  I'm just saying, there are a lots of similarities starting to emerge between this football program and Wooly ball.


One major, super, ridiculous difference:

Wooldridge wasn't eligible for postseason play until year 5.

November 04, 2007, 11:19:28 AM
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I'm not saying don't give the guy some time or fire him after the season when we lose to NU, MU and Fresno.  I'm just saying, there are a lots of similarities starting to emerge between this football program and Wooly ball.

Frankly I don't see these similarities.  Wooly never went 500 in conference Prince did it in year one and will probably do the same in year two.  Wooly never went to post season, Prince did it in year one and will probably do it in year two.  Wooly tried to pad his record by playing the softest possilble non con and Prince strives plays one of the toughest in the country.   Wooly constantly made excuses ie 5-8 rule, officiating bias etc and I've never once heard Prince make a single excuse for a loss.  

Everyone looses games so I guess Prince has that in common with Wooly and every other coach in the world.  Outside of that I just don't see many things about the Prince that remind me of Wooldridge.  Not even saying Prince is better or worse then Woolridge but they are totally different coaches.  

November 04, 2007, 11:55:29 AM
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Interesting post!  One major difference is Wooly took over a program that Asbury had left as a smoldering wreck, while Prince inherited a team with a number of professional draft picks that was two years removed from a conference championship.

November 04, 2007, 12:03:00 PM
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Interesting post!  One major difference is Wooly took over a program that Asbury had left as a smoldering wreck, while Prince inherited a team with a number of professional draft picks that was two years removed from a conference championship.
Prince took over a team that had two previous losing seasons with a pathetic o-line and little talent across the board. The offense was carried by Prince's guys outside of Yamon.

November 04, 2007, 12:07:41 PM
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When Prince gets a neck brace then I'll start worrying.

November 04, 2007, 12:10:16 PM
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Interesting post!  One major difference is Wooly took over a program that Asbury had left as a smoldering wreck, while Prince inherited a team with a number of professional draft picks that was two years removed from a conference championship.

holy sh1t! Just call him a n11ger already and get it over with.
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

November 04, 2007, 12:32:17 PM
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Interesting post!  One major difference is Wooly took over a program that Asbury had left as a smoldering wreck, while Prince inherited a team with a number of professional draft picks that was two years removed from a conference championship.

holy sh1t! Just call him a n11ger already and get it over with.

It's lazy to play the race card when someone criticizes Prince.  You're better than that.

November 04, 2007, 12:37:38 PM
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More like Ron Pinkle, I'd say.
I whole staff needs to mature, much like at MU. Don't know if it will happen with the turnover we saw last year.

November 04, 2007, 12:47:47 PM
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Interesting post!  One major difference is Wooly took over a program that Asbury had left as a smoldering wreck, while Prince inherited a team with a number of professional draft picks that was two years removed from a conference championship.

This is just awful. wow. dude, we fn sucked major balls when Prince took over. Our Oline and pretty much entire team was riddled with FPs because of lazy ass assistant coaches.  It only takes a year to drive a great team into the ground.  If you think he took over a good team full of NFL draft picks, then you're blind.
Show me defense.

November 04, 2007, 12:51:09 PM
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It's year 2 on a contract, and he took over a team from Bill Snyder when Snyder should have retired after the 2003 Bowl game. :\

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November 04, 2007, 12:53:34 PM
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Interesting post!  One major difference is Wooly took over a program that Asbury had left as a smoldering wreck, while Prince inherited a team with a number of professional draft picks that was two years removed from a conference championship.

This is just awful. wow. dude, we fn sucked major balls when Prince took over. Our Oline and pretty much entire team was riddled with FPs because of lazy ass assistant coaches.  It only takes a year to drive a great team into the ground.  If you think he took over a good team full of NFL draft picks, then you're blind.

I'm so blind that I actually thought we had 3 draft picks last year (the most since 2003), and was fooled into thinking that Jordy and Ian will be sure draft picks.  I now apologize for stating that Prince "inherited a team with a number of draft picks."  Sorry.

November 04, 2007, 01:18:28 PM
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One could argue, any draft picks in 07 and 08 are due to Prince and the staff's coaching.
Basically, my take is that the team performs well (win or lose) against high-level competition, but against equal or bad teams, plays to that level.
The offense is obviously much better than 07, even without a running game. Special Teams haven't improved from last year, and might have taken a step back. The defense, as bad as it has been, at least numbers-wise, is the same as last season.

I like Prince's philosophy, recruiting fast, quick players, especially for defense. What we don't know about Prince, is whether he can manage a football staff, ie. keep it together for more than one season. If the football staff isn't getting along, doesn't communicate, that will retard any progress the players are making. It will be a great concern, if once again, there is a major exodus of coaches after the season.

Otherwise, we need to give Prince a couple of more seasons and recruiting classes before making absolute judgments. Let him and the team face every team in the Big 12, then take stock of where our team is. We don't want to hang onto a bad coach too long, but I don't want a revolving door head coach, either.
R.J.

 

November 04, 2007, 02:25:38 PM
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Ron Prince may be the new Vince Gibson (If you are a KSU fan you should know he was the coach that brought Lynn Dickey, Steve Grogan, Gary Spani and some other NFL guys to KSU)
Vince had his guys well prepared and sky high for some huge KSU wins only to have them zapped and look they had not practiced when facing a lesser foe (often times leading to downer losses)....
Vince was good with the media, liked to hear himself talk and enjoyed promoting the program (going to KSU events, shaking hands, saying the right things) but was a below average game coach who was criticized for not making better in game adjustments....
Gibson put all his eggs in the basket of a strong armed future NFL QB (Dickey) when he left the .500 program he had sputtered and the Gibson days ended in 1974....

The one thing that makes Prince hard to evaluate in regard to to other KSU coaches, is he inherited a team with pretty good talent and many future NFL guys. Look at the previous season before a new KSU Coach:
KSU WINS
1966 0    1967 New Coach Vince Gibson
1974 4    1975 New Coach Ellis Rainsberger
1977 1    1978 New Coach Jim Dickey
1985 1    1986 New Coach Stan Parrish
1988 0    1989 New Coach Bill Snyder
2005 5    2006 New Coach Ron Prince

November 04, 2007, 03:05:11 PM
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It's his second year.

Yep, second year coach should be excused from losses against the 116th rated offense in NCAA D1. 

Next season that won't fly...but now is cool.

November 04, 2007, 04:23:33 PM
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It's his second year.

Yep, second year coach should be excused from losses against the 116th rated offense in NCAA D1. 

Next season that won't fly...but now is cool.


You should never make snap judgements based on one game...look at the complete body of work at the end of the season.

November 05, 2007, 07:53:10 AM
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Wooly never had a win anywhere close to the UT wins.  But had plenty of ISU/Baylor-type losses.  There may be some cause for concern, but its way to early panic here. 

November 05, 2007, 08:40:48 AM
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Wooly never had a win anywhere close to the UT wins.  But had plenty of ISU/Baylor-type losses.  There may be some cause for concern, but its way to early panic here. 

Spookily enough, Wooldridge actually beat a Top 10 Texas team.  But I still agree with your last sentence entirely: cause for concern, but too early for panic.

November 05, 2007, 08:44:36 AM
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Wooly never had a win anywhere close to the UT wins.  But had plenty of ISU/Baylor-type losses.  There may be some cause for concern, but its way to early panic here. 

Spookily enough, Wooldridge actually beat a Top 10 Texas team.  But I still agree with your last sentence entirely: cause for concern, but too early for panic.

True.  And he beat a OSU team that was still in the Top 10 as well.  Plus Iowa.  He had way more ISU/Baylor type losses though.

I'm just saying no one needs to be fired right now.