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Author Topic: Guliani on Torture  (Read 2023 times)

October 30, 2007, 06:58:17 PM
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Laws can, and frequently should, be changed.  This process often occurs following elections in which voters purge those who oppose their views and replace them with others whose perspectives are more in line with their own.  Thus in the long run I *do* get to define torture if such a definition is to be found in the laws of the United States.  Besides, what's so great about definitions concocted by the likes of San Fran Nan and Ron Paul? 

At least until Hitlary declares martial law and installs herself as chair of the Politburo. 

Laws aren't asserted by fiat, signing statements or executive orders.  We have a legislative body for that.  Bush seems to view the legislative and judicial branches of government as mere annoyances and the Constitution as an obstacle.  Law is worthless if everyone is not subject to it.  Bush hasn't changed the law, he's changed his interpretation of the law in such a blatantly dishonest, casually indifferent and astonishingly arrogant way as to render the law meaningless.  There is a difference and it is quite clear both in process and result.

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October 30, 2007, 07:51:48 PM
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  There is a difference and it is quite clear both in process and result.

Depends on what the definition of "is" is.

October 31, 2007, 12:19:03 AM
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Laws aren't asserted by fiat, signing statements or executive orders.

You've obviously never lived under the tender mercies of the 9th Circus Circuit.  Whereas a sweet little old lady who also just happens to both: a) be utterly insane; and b) sit on the court, served me some excellent lemonade and her courthouse-famous homemade cookies in chambers. Laws my dear katkid *are* most definitely imposed by fiat in that particular region and to a lesser degree everywhere else in this nation.

We have a legislative body for that.
 

We also have something called the Constitution of the United States of America which, until recent decades of leftist jurisprudence shat all over it, was considered the highest law of the land.  Now it quite literally isn't worth the parchment it's printed upon.

Bush seems to view the legislative and judicial branches of government as mere annoyances and the Constitution as an obstacle.
 

In rather the same manner but to a far lesser degree in the same way leftist judges view laws passed by Congress and signed by the President.  Welcome to the first small stirrings of the right wing refusing to be trampled upon for the next half century the way it has been for the past one.  It would be poetic justice if the leftist hippies that removed all meaning from the law lived long enough to see the right employ their own techniques against them to great effect.

Law is worthless if everyone is not subject to it.
 

It's equally worthless when a judge, for personal or political reasons, imposes his or her own view rather than that clearly enunciated by Congress but it happens every day.  Probably literally a hundred times more often on the part of leftist judges than those on the right. 

Bush hasn't changed the law, he's changed his interpretation of the law in such a blatantly dishonest, casually indifferent and astonishingly arrogant way as to render the law meaningless.  There is a difference and it is quite clear both in process and result.

Perhaps but that's precisely what a strongly left-leaning federal bench has done since roughly the early 1960s to every conceivable sort of law up to and including the Constitution.  Welcome to the world the left created.
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October 31, 2007, 08:34:52 AM
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I'd rather have Americans die in terrorist attacks than live under a government that tortures people.

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October 31, 2007, 11:29:36 AM
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I know.  You'd let the terrorists win.  I'm not surprised.