Last time KSU was 7-0?

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

I don't know how you could live in Kansas, be a ku or KSU fan, and not value the 'Sunflower Showdown' above most(if not all) games every year no matter the state of the programs.

Its huge and I don't know of anyone that doesn't have the game circled on their calendar.

Snyder did. Mangino does. Fans do. If they* say they don't, they're lying.

*Rusty

Beating KSU is the only thing you can hold your hat on

At the end of the season I'll be holding my hat on a bowl game, the record, the national attention, and of course, the Ksu game.

Good god Rodless. Before you post, think of the children.

[sonofdaxjones]

Again, Terry Allen won 21 games, actually had ku in position to go bowling (and as per usual got ZERO help from the hometown fans in a crucial game), and played 3x's as many games against ranked Big 12 teams in five years than Mangino played in five years and also played at Notre Dame and at home against a loaded UCLA team.  The schedule had already been been dumbed down by the time Mangino took over. 

[BMWJhawk]

Again, Terry Allen won 21 games, actually had ku in position to go bowling (and as per usual got ZERO help from the hometown fans in a crucial game), and played 3x's as many games against ranked Big 12 teams in five years than Mangino played in five years and also played at Notre Dame and at home against a loaded UCLA team.  The schedule had already been been dumbed down by the time Mangino took over. 

The argument's over.  You just don't fully understand how awful the Kansas football program was under Terry Allen. 

[catzacker]

Again, Terry Allen won 21 games, actually had ku in position to go bowling (and as per usual got ZERO help from the hometown fans in a crucial game), and played 3x's as many games against ranked Big 12 teams in five years than Mangino played in five years and also played at Notre Dame and at home against a loaded UCLA team.  The schedule had already been been dumbed down by the time Mangino took over. 

The argument's over.  You just don't fully understand how awful the Kansas State football program was under Terry Allen every single coach in KSU's 90+ year history until Snyder. 

[konofo]

I'm looking forward to having NU fans tell us that their future coach's recovery job from the disastrous Callahan era is basically the same thing as what Snyder did.

kono

[cireksu]

Again, Terry Allen won 21 games, actually had ku in position to go bowling (and as per usual got ZERO help from the hometown fans in a crucial game), and played 3x's as many games against ranked Big 12 teams in five years than Mangino played in five years and also played at Notre Dame and at home against a loaded UCLA team.  The schedule had already been been dumbed down by the time Mangino took over. 

The argument's over.  You just don't fully understand how awful the Kansas football program was under Terry Allen. 

oh yes we do, we paid attention to football then.

[tmramrod91]

I would rather beat NU 70-0 than beating ku that bad. NU is/was relevant in college football. People make a big deal out of whooping the 'skers. No one gives a crap if you beat ku.
All that beating ku means is that you dont have to listen to their annoying fans who know NOTHING about football (and usually dont even watch the game) talk trash. Its more of a relief beating ku than a good feeling.
Beating NU gets you on sportscenter and gameday final.

On a side note: LOL at ku fans absolutely sucking off Snyder

[DynastyCat]

Well Wave, the big difference in 1998 was the fact we played good UT and CU teams in the first 5 weeks, crushing Ricky Williams' led Texas mightily and beat #14 CU in Boulder.  That took some heat off from what was a garbage non-conference schedule.  At the time the North was dominant (KSU, Mizzou, Nubb and CU all ranked) and we played Texas (along w/ aTm the 2 best teams in the South at the time).  KSU had beaten 4 ranked teams prior to the Big 12 championship, 2 on the road.  ku will likely play only 2 ranked teams total (KSU and Mizzou) and one isn't until the final weekend of the season.  Even with the crap non-conference, KSU had played a tougher schedule by week 5 than ku will all year. 

I don't think there was any illusion that ku's conference slate would be weak this year with OU, Texas and Tech off the slate.  Nebraska faultering and a perception that aTm is crappy doesn't help any either.  Basically you scheduled cupcakes and "lucked" into a few more cupcakes along the way.  Makes for wins, but little respect.  Need some major blowouts (like the '98 KSU team) to salvage some of that respect you're craving.     

BINGO!!!

[sonofdaxjones]

Again, Terry Allen won 21 games, actually had ku in position to go bowling (and as per usual got ZERO help from the hometown fans in a crucial game), and played 3x's as many games against ranked Big 12 teams in five years than Mangino played in five years and also played at Notre Dame and at home against a loaded UCLA team.  The schedule had already been been dumbed down by the time Mangino took over. 

The argument's over.  You just don't fully understand how awful the Kansas football program was under Terry Allen. 

It's hard to look great when your playing 3x's as many ranked teams as the guy who came after you.

[BMWJhawk]

Again, Terry Allen won 21 games, actually had ku in position to go bowling (and as per usual got ZERO help from the hometown fans in a crucial game), and played 3x's as many games against ranked Big 12 teams in five years than Mangino played in five years and also played at Notre Dame and at home against a loaded UCLA team.  The schedule had already been been dumbed down by the time Mangino took over. 

The argument's over.  You just don't fully understand how awful the Kansas football program was under Terry Allen. 

It's hard to look great when your playing 3x's as many ranked teams as the guy who came after you.

So if Terry Allen takes over for Mark Mangino next season would his team go 2-10?

[sonofdaxjones]

How do I know, I just state the facts; you just can't live with the fact that Terry Allen played a much tougher overall schedule in his 5 years, than Mangino played in his first five years.

[PittsburgJayhawk]

How do I know, I just state the facts; you just can't live with the fact that Terry Allen played a much tougher overall schedule in his 5 years, than Mangino played in his first five years.

Yeah, and let me tell you what...it paid off huge for TA.  HUGE.

[sonofdaxjones]

So Allen could control who he played in conference??