here BMW...sit down w/ me and let's go over ku and Auburn offenses...

[Sandman]

"My statement was directed at you.  It's apathetic fans like you that have allowed ku football to suffer."

What an ignorant statement.  It is the fact that ku is a basketball school, as much as nebraska is a football school.  also i think al bohl and terry allen had a lot more to do with the crappy state of ku fb then a kid who likes ku basketball better.  fans are the same with regards to every team, in every sport, you gotta give em something to cheer about( and i still cheered when they gave me nothing to cheer about).  

No, I put you on the level with Terry Allen and Bob Fredrickson.  You allowed Terry Allen to happen.  You allowed Roy Williams to crush Al Bohl like a dove.  You said you don't give a crap about ku football.  I wasn't judging you, hell I'm in no position to judge anyone.  I was responding to what you posted.  I took it literally because there was no indication I shouldn't.

[BullHawkWheel]

wait, i was paid to make the decisions in the ku athletic dept?  must have missed that.

[Sandman]

wait, i was paid to make the decisions in the ku athletic dept?  must have missed that.

There was a little sarcasm (Al Bohl statement), but yes I do believe that fans such as yourself allowed football to be in the state it was in.  You looked the other way when Fredrickson hired Allen over Pat Golden Ruehl and Dennis Franchione on the advice of Roy Williams.  Even though everyone considered Allen the third choice at best.  You didn't care cause Kansas Basketball was awesome!!!!!!!, who cares what happens on the football field.  Roy and Fredrickson didn't want basketball to be threatened by football, and you all signed on for it.  Heck, ku's '95 team averaged only 37,000 fans because the athletic department refused to promote the best team Kansas had since the 60's.  And the basketball only fans contributed to it.  What Lew and Mangino have done, if nothing else, is generate interest and buzz in the football program that was never there in previous years. 

[BullHawkWheel]

i was 12 years old, i didnt know who those 4 people were!  this is a really dumb argument, because most(virtually all) ku fans or sports fans in general dont know what is going on in the ath dept and have to make their judgements based on the performance and future of the teams.  you are telling me that nebraska fans would for one second sacrifice their football program to get their bball team in the tourny?  hell no!  no fans of a college team will sacrifice something that is working( and working extremely well, i might add) to make another team within their school marginally better.

[Sandman]

i was 12 years old, i didnt know who those 4 people were!  this is a really dumb argument, because most(virtually all) ku fans or sports fans in general dont know what is going on in the ath dept and have to make their judgements based on the performance and future of the teams.  you are telling me that nebraska fans would for one second sacrifice their football program to get their bball team in the tourny?  hell no!  no fans of a college team will sacrifice something that is working( and working extremely well, i might add) to make another team within their school marginally better.

I was speaking about ku basketball only fans in generalities there. If you're that young then no, you don't understand.  Fans should know what is going on in their athletic departments.  Thats where the majority ofthe money given to the University is going.  I would like to know how it's being spent, wouldn't you.  And it was easy to make a judgement on the performance on the ku football team under Terry Allen.

And why do we have to sacrifice one sport for the other?  Weren't both Ohio State and Florida in both the football and basketball national title games?  No one asked them to choose.  Tell Oklahoma or Texas they can only be good in one sport.  KSU doesn't want to be successful in only one sport.  Heck ku was the first school ever to have a team in the final four, a bowl game, and the college world series.  So yes, both the football and basketball programs could be successful at ku.  We just weren't interested in sustaining it under Fredrickson/Williams.

[ksuenginerd]

I congratulate ku.  They pulled off an impressive upset & definitely proved that they would be a contender, perhaps even the favorite, in the MAC West. 

[KSUTOMMY]

Sandman, the coralation between ku purposly not hiring a proven FB coach as to take attention and ultimately $$ from the BB program is an interesting scenario... I never thought of that. I wonder what our problem was when we got rid of Altman and hired Asbury - and watched good ol' Tom run our program into the ground... from which we have never recovered. Good observation.

[BullHawkWheel]

huis argument is still stupid because i am both a football and basketball fan.  i just like ku basketball a whole lot more.

[LimestoneOutcropping]

huis argument is still stupid because i am both a football and basketball fan.  i just like ku basketball a whole lot more.

BTW, who is the girl in you sig?

[Sandman]

huis argument is still stupid because i am both a football and basketball fan.  i just like ku basketball a whole lot more.

You wouldn't care if ku football disappeared again like it did under Allen.  As you said, you don't give a crap about ku football.  Can't backtrack on that statement now.  And the argument isn't stupid, it's factual.  Just because you were a pre-teen when this all was going on doesn't mean it didn't happen.  I do hope you'll be at Memorial on Saturday however.  And I hope you continue to come after Late Nite.  Because there are football games after basketball practice begins.  Very important ones.