Isn't it amazing...

[ksu_FAN]

that the commitment of Gilbert has gotten little to no attention?  Fair or not, even though he was aquitted his past is an issue, but its funny how its not nearly as big when he's not an impact recruit.  I guarantee if he was a Top 5 JUCO player, we'd be hearing all about his past in the local (and probably national) media.  We may still, but its funny how its not nearly as urgent with a kid that looks like a borderline high major kid at best.

[FHSU92]

Kinda shows how concerned some where about Tyree signing.

[michigancat]

DrJamesANaismith said Neil and Marty were going to talk about it.

I think the Tyree thing was such a long, drawn out process and was the perfect stereotypical Huggins recruit had a ton to do with the Tyree thing.

[ksu_FAN]

DrJamesANaismith said Neil and Marty were going to talk about it.

I think the Tyree thing was such a long, drawn out process and was the perfect stereotypical Huggins recruit had a ton to do with the Tyree thing.

Yeah, I heard that to and that was the first I had really heard about it from local media. 

Definately the Huggins reputation played a factor, but Tyree was also a fairly touted player.  I just think the media knows most fans don't care about a guy that isn't that highly touted, so this isn't even worth the trouble and isn't a "story".  If Gilbert was the #2 JUCO player after having averaged 24 PPG in JUCO, this would be a story.

[catzacker]

LOL at Neil and Marty.  

[pissclams]

DJN = typical Neil and Marty fan LMAO!!!! 

[ECN]

i wouldnt trust getting my up-to-date info from two dudes named neil and marty.

[michigancat]

The acquittal makes a huge difference, too.

Tyree will always have his name attached to a guilty verdict in a trial with the word "rape" included in one of the charges.

[michigancat]

i wouldnt trust getting my up-to-date info from two dudes named neil and marty.

I remember when they had scout.com's WVU guy on.  It was the day before Huggins left.  The three of them were all trying to figure out Huggins' buyout situation.  None had a clue.

[ksu_FAN]

The acquittal makes a huge difference, too.

Tyree will always have his name attached to a guilty verdict in a trial with the word "rape" included in one of the charges.

True, I wasn't necessarily comparing this to Tyree though.  Like you said, there were plenty of other factors with Tyree.

[Poopley]

If you read the newspaper accounts in the argus-leader or brookings register archives, you'll see why he was acquitted and why there was no bargaining down to a lesser charge. There was just no evidence that the sex was not consensual and some to suggest it was.

[Legore]

This is America the dude went to trial and was found not guilty.  End of story should be a non issue for everyone.  Tyree ended up with an assault charge which is minor but still a conviction none the less.   

[coitus]

This is America the dude went to trial and was found not guilty.  End of story should be a non issue for everyone.     

hell, tell that to ell roberson.  he wasn't even arrested or charged, and there are plenty of ksu haters that still trot his name out as an example of a criminal.

[catzacker]

This is America the dude went to trial and was found not guilty.  End of story should be a non issue for everyone.  Tyree ended up with an assault charge which is minor but still a conviction none the less.   

Actually, this is America...guilt or innocence is really a side issue; it's the accusation that counts.  I'm sure the Duke Lacrosse Captain is going to put "Lacrosse Captain" under "Other activities" on his resume. 

[ksu_FAN]

This is America the dude went to trial and was found not guilty.  End of story should be a non issue for everyone.  Tyree ended up with an assault charge which is minor but still a conviction none the less.   

I agree completely with that, just raising the issue.  1st, I think that with athletes (and others) often times even if innocent, the association with an incident is enough to change perception.  2nd, I think there is a double standard that the more highly touted the player, any past incident is magnified that much more.  At the end of the day, its easier to give "2nd chances" (and I agree that this isn't a 2nd chance, but some will percieve it that way) to a kid like Gilbert that is an unknown, than if he was a much more highly touted guy.  At least the heat is much less.

[ksu_FAN]

Maybe I spoke to soon.  Looks like the other KC radio station is weighing in, but this is a written piece by Curtis Kitchen.  A reach at best; compares Huggins/Evans to Martin/Gilbert for example.

[yosh]

This is America the dude went to trial and was found not guilty.  End of story should be a non issue for everyone.  Tyree ended up with an assault charge which is minor but still a conviction none the less.   

OJ Simpson

[catzacker]

Maybe I spoke to soon.  Looks like the other KC radio station is weighing in, but this is a written piece by Curtis Kitchen.  A reach at best; compares Huggins/Evans to Martin/Gilbert for example.

I enjoy the linkage between Huggins and Tyree (which never panned out because Huggins left and because we quit recruiting him) and Martin and Gilbert (in which Gildbert was acquitted of all counts) and then takes the leap of "if Martin will do this for a role player, think what he'll do for a star" even though Martin is "taking a risk" on a guy who was acquitted of all charges.  So I guess the question would be "yes", if a player has no record Martin will definitely recruit him.  Again, accusations are all that is needed, guilt or innocence are side issues. 

[mcmwcat]

i love it. did we ever have a mcmw emoticon?

MCMW mutha truckas

[ECN]

[ECN]

[bigdeal]

I heard Chris and Cowboy (who are worthless) on 610 last night "teasing" the topic by commenting about,"should K-State be recruiting this kid or is it just another sign of the Cats win at all costs attitude".   Ahem, yes, we recruit kids that have no criminal record...thanks for asking.  It's amazing the way they all spin the words as if there is something terrible about the kid when all they have is that he was found "not guilty" on charges. 

[ECN]

610 makes me want to drill wood screws into my toes.

[ksutwisted]

"OJ Simpson"

OJ was found guilty in the civil trial.  Nice try, though.

[yosh]

"OJ Simpson"

OJ was found guilty in the civil trial.  Nice try, though.

No he wasn't.  You can't be found guilty of a crime in a civil trial.  Nice try though.

[Pete]

I'm sure the Duke Lacrosse Captain is going to put "Lacrosse Captain" under "Other activities" on his resume. 

That is a &@#%ing classic.

[Pete]

"OJ Simpson"

OJ was found guilty in the civil trial.  Nice try, though.

No he wasn't.  You can't be found guilty of a crime in a civil trial.  Nice try though.

Semantics.  When someone is found liable for the death of another person in a case running parallel to a crimal trial, and is made to pay vast sums of money as a result....Well, the general impression is that he's pretty &@#%ing guilty.

That Res Ipsa Loquitur grab-ass leaglese bs is for the birds.

[yosh]

"OJ Simpson"

OJ was found guilty in the civil trial.  Nice try, though.

No he wasn't.  You can't be found guilty of a crime in a civil trial.  Nice try though.

Semantics.  When someone is found liable for the death of another person in a case running parallel to a crimal trial, and is made to pay vast sums of money as a result....Well, the general impression is that he's pretty &*$@!ing guilty.

That Res Ipsa Loquitur grab-ass leaglese bs is for the birds.

So the public figured he was innocent after the criminal trial, then changed their minds after the civil trial?  If he didn't have any money, there would never even have been a civil trial.  The whole nation would have embraced OJ Simpson as a falsely accused man huh?     If you are arrested and tried of a crime, the vast majority of the public will always assume you did it.  The trial results are meaningless in the court of public opinion.

[fatty fat fat]

the 610 night guys were raising a "stink" about it yesterday.

[Pete]

"OJ Simpson"

OJ was found guilty in the civil trial.  Nice try, though.

No he wasn't.  You can't be found guilty of a crime in a civil trial.  Nice try though.

Semantics.  When someone is found liable for the death of another person in a case running parallel to a crimal trial, and is made to pay vast sums of money as a result....Well, the general impression is that he's pretty &*$@!ing guilty.

That Res Ipsa Loquitur grab-ass leaglese bs is for the birds.

So the public figured he was innocent after the criminal trial, then changed their minds after the civil trial?  If he didn't have any money, there would never even have been a civil trial.  The whole nation would have embraced OJ Simpson as a falsely accused man huh?     If you are arrested and tried of a crime, the vast majority of the public will always assume you did it.  The trial results are meaningless in the court of public opinion.

You didn't understand my post.  I believe that the accusation IS the conviction...or at least it is in the public's eyes.  I think we are saying the same thing here.