New PG...

[pissclams]

Jeff Wires hates your guts.

[sys]

some exceptions.

[power4PURPLE]

best available is an option that should only be looked at by either...
a) teams that aren't very skilled or talented that just want the best recruit they can get, no matter what position
or
b) teams that don't have any more holes to fill.

we don't fall into either of these categories, therefore, we dont need a guard. and as for him being an 08 guy, who says jacob pullen and fred brown aren't going to be around??

[chum1]

Skill beats size.  There are possible upgrades to come along with these Soto and Bennett events.

[michigancat]

best available is an option that should only be looked at by either...
a) teams that aren't very skilled or talented that just want the best recruit they can get, no matter what position
or
b) teams that don't have any more holes to fill.

we don't fall into either of these categories, therefore, we dont need a guard. and as for him being an 08 guy, who says jacob pullen and fred brown aren't going to be around??

Are two guards enough?

Based on your requirements for taking the best player available, lets say our scholarship situation looked like this:

C: 2
PF: 3
SF: 3
SG: 3
PG:  Clent Stewart

That team clearly has a "hole" at point guard.  Let's say you can use your last available scholarship on a PG about as good as Blake Young or Michael Beasley.

Who would you give it to?

[WildCatzPhreak]

best available is an option that should only be looked at by either...
a) teams that aren't very skilled or talented that just want the best recruit they can get, no matter what position
or
b) teams that don't have any more holes to fill.

we don't fall into either of these categories, therefore, we dont need a guard. and as for him being an 08 guy, who says jacob pullen and fred brown aren't going to be around??

Jacob Pullen, Fred Brown are scorers, not necessarily distributers.  Josue is a distributer first and foremost.  He has the capability to score, but he's a distributer before anything else.

Also, two guards is not nearly enough.  We'll likely have two guards on the floor at all times, why would having a third be a bad thing?

We need a big man.  There's not really any good ones available, at least that I know of.  Good centers are hard to come by.

Aside from a big man, we need a shooter and a distributer.  VD has a good 3 pt shot, and he's been offered.  Josue is a distributer, and we should offer him.  He'd still have 3 years to play after using a redshirt for his sitout year after transferring.

[yosh]

best available is an option that should only be looked at by either...
a) teams that aren't very skilled or talented that just want the best recruit they can get, no matter what position
or
b) teams that don't have any more holes to fill.

we don't fall into either of these categories, therefore, we dont need a guard. and as for him being an 08 guy, who says jacob pullen and fred brown aren't going to be around??

While I tend to agree that "best available" isn't a hard and fast rule.  In this instance we DO need the guard.  Jacob Pullen and Fred Brown will be there, but then who?  2 guards isn't enough.  Now lets say we sign Josue, then we get Shipman, Releford and Manzano in the early period next year.  After Beasley and Walker declare, then you absolutely have to get frontcourt players in the late period; best available be damned.  Of course situations like that rarely occur.

[ksu_FAN]

Yeah, I'm not buying that guard, especially PG, won't be a need after next year.  That's why I think Soto would be a good get.

As far as the other ship, I'm not sure.  I think the priorites are (obviously) a big or a shooter and I think you take the best available at either spot.

[sys]

best available is a great philosophy for the fall, but the best player available in the spring often isn't very good.  spring should be pretty much jucos and transfers only imo.  and generally should fill a definate need.

[doom]

best available is an option that should only be looked at by either...
a) teams that aren't very skilled or talented that just want the best recruit they can get, no matter what position
or
b) teams that don't have any more holes to fill.

we don't fall into either of these categories, therefore, we dont need a guard. and as for him being an 08 guy, who says jacob pullen and fred brown aren't going to be around??

Are two guards enough?

Based on your requirements for taking the best player available, lets say our scholarship situation looked like this:

C: 2
PF: 3
SF: 3
SG: 3
PG:  Clent Stewart

That team clearly has a "hole" at point guard.  Let's say you can use your last available scholarship on a PG about as good as Blake Young or Michael Beasley.

Who would you give it to?

Pullen is a PG?  Blake can play the position too.  So long as the guy can get the ball down court and get it to Walker or The Beas my Colon could do it.

[michigancat]

best available is a great philosophy for the fall, but the best player available in the spring often isn't very good.  spring should be pretty much jucos and transfers only imo.  and generally should fill a definate need.

Basically, "best available" gets kind of gray when they're outside of the top 150 or so, because it's usually a crapshoot across the board with those guys.

[sys]

we get Shipman, Releford and Manzano in the early period next year.  After Beasley and Walker declare, then you absolutely have to get frontcourt players in the late period; best available be damned.

if ksu has 4 quality players wanting to sign in the fall, they'll sign 4.

[yosh]

we get Shipman, Releford and Manzano in the early period next year.  After Beasley and Walker declare, then you absolutely have to get frontcourt players in the late period; best available be damned.

if ksu has 4 quality players wanting to sign in the fall, they'll sign 4.

OK, but the point remains.  That 4th player has to be a frontcourt guy.

[michigancat]

we get Shipman, Releford and Manzano in the early period next year.  After Beasley and Walker declare, then you absolutely have to get frontcourt players in the late period; best available be damned.

if ksu has 4 quality players wanting to sign in the fall, they'll sign 4.

OK, but the point remains.  That 4th player has to be a frontcourt guy.

Why?  We only lose Hoskins, Young, and Stewart for sure.


I think this discussion is moot, though, because there is no way 4 quality guards will want to sign early with KSU when Pullen, Brown, Sutton, Walker, and Soto are already on the roster.  I think the 4th "best player available" would have to be a big man by default.

[yosh]

we get Shipman, Releford and Manzano in the early period next year.  After Beasley and Walker declare, then you absolutely have to get frontcourt players in the late period; best available be damned.

if ksu has 4 quality players wanting to sign in the fall, they'll sign 4.

OK, but the point remains.  That 4th player has to be a frontcourt guy.

Why?  We only lose Hoskins, Young, and Stewart for sure.


I think this discussion is moot, though, because there is no way 4 quality guards will want to sign early with KSU when Pullen, Brown, Sutton, Walker, and Soto are already on the roster.  I think the 4th "best player available" would have to be a big man by default.

Which is why I said situations like that rarely occur.  If you are loaded on quality guards already, you repel other quality guards, while attracting quality forwards.  I was just trying to illustrate a situation when you have to fill a need over taking best available.  If you don't think such a situation would occur, I'm not likely to convince you.

[michigancat]

Which is why I said situations like that rarely occur.  If you are loaded on quality guards already, you repel other quality guards, while attracting quality forwards.  I was just trying to illustrate a situation when you have to fill a need over taking best available.  If you don't think such a situation would occur, I'm not likely to convince you.

We're basically in agreement.  I just don't consider a player that isn't interested to be "available".

[yosh]

Which is why I said situations like that rarely occur.  If you are loaded on quality guards already, you repel other quality guards, while attracting quality forwards.  I was just trying to illustrate a situation when you have to fill a need over taking best available.  If you don't think such a situation would occur, I'm not likely to convince you.

We're basically in agreement.  I just don't consider a player that isn't interested to be "available".

Yeah...I look at ku, for example, and say they are trying to fill a need by going after big guards/small forwards, while you might say they are so stacked with small guards and bigs that swing players are the only players they can get.

[power4PURPLE]

fellas, say what you must, i'm taking in the opinions and i understand each one. but you gotta understand that's not what we need THIS year. why all of a sudden are we looking past 07? we've got a serious chance here, but we've got problems up front, and all im hearing is that we need another guard because it's weak for 08!

if sojo comes, ill welcome him...but the last thing i wanna hear is a bunch of bologna next winter when we're gettin beat on boards and in the paint blaming beasley and colon and our lack of big men. ill just look and say "i told you so"

and for whoever mentioned us getting releford in 08, try again...cuz im doubting that...seriously doubting

[michigancat]

fellas, say what you must, i'm taking in the opinions and i understand each one. but you gotta understand that's not what we need THIS year. why all of a sudden are we looking past 07? we've got a serious chance here, but we've got problems up front, and all im hearing is that we need another guard because it's weak for 08!

if sojo comes, ill welcome him...but the last thing i wanna hear is a bunch of bologna next winter when we're gettin beat on boards and in the paint blaming beasley and colon and our lack of big men. ill just look and say "i told you so"

With Beasley, Colon, Kent, Hoskins, and Walker, we aren't in desperate need of interior help - we aren't in desperate need of help anywhere for 07, really.

We dominated the boards with a much smaller front line this season, and no one but Maric hurt us inside defensively.

[Saulbadguy]

Look for Colon to improve tremendously.

[power4PURPLE]

ya but remember that cartier, akeem, and lance were big parts of us rebounding well, and maybe even jason a little too.
they're all gone.

i think that bill and beaz will help, even 'nique...but my worries come when luis gets in foul trouble against a dominant big man...lord knows darren kent wont guard him

[WildCatzPhreak]

i think that bill and beaz will help, even 'nique...but my worries come when luis gets in foul trouble against a dominant big man...lord knows darren kent wont guard him

Bill and Mike are great rebounders.  Colon will probably only be used in extreme circumstances, otherwise I'd expect a frontcourt rotation of Beasley, Walker, Hoskins, and Sutton.

[waks]

Can the year that he sits out be considered a redshirt year so that he can play for the three years after that or is that not allowed??

[michigancat]

Can the year that he sits out be considered a redshirt year so that he can play for the three years after that or is that not allowed??

It is allowed.

[yosh]

Look for Colon to improve tremendously.

I hope so.

[sys]

we need a shooter.  evans or d'sky.  we are fine inside.

[treysolid]

if having 1 more capable pg on the team is a problem, then it's a great problem to have.  signing tearon hill is not the solution - what's he really gonna do his first year?  might as well focus our attention on getting a big man in the '08 class.