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April 24, 2007, 08:53:46 PM
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"I have heard that Chandler is better in coverage. That was also demonstrated somewhat by Asante's play this spring--he is weaker on coverage. The great thing about Asante though is that he is a hitter, and from what I have heard he might be playing linebacker for us eventually. "

keep in mind the guy was hurt for most of spring.  I think he stays at safety.  he might not start this year but he will be on the field alot.  NU will do alot of 3-4 stuff this year as well, so maybe he moves up as one of the 4 backers in that, not sure though

April 24, 2007, 08:54:57 PM
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"Moran is a decent DT, but we'll see how well he does in the 3-4.  A line of 275, 300, and 290 is pretty big.  Our 3-4 will resemble a 4-3 anyways (according to those with higher FBIQ than me) with Campbell acting as a stand-up DE.  "

which one of those is your nose tackle?  in order for the 3-4 to work, that nose has to crush the center so bad that atleast 1 guard has to help out, on every single play, would be even better if both guards had to help but atleast 1.  Now, i don't know the strengths of every center on your schedule but I would think most centers are around 300 pounds, atleast in the big 12.  I know nebraskas center is 305.  Roughly the size of your nose tackle.  Unless your nose tackle is built of pure muscle and power, which I don't think is possible I don't see NU having to double team your nose at all.  Not to mention you need depth, you need another nose tackle to come in and give him a rest without their being to much of a drop off.

Ian is good, and he should put up good numbers but is one player enough?  inorder for KSU to win games this year the defense will need to keep them in every game because the offense is going  to struggle.  That is why i said Brown should be on defense.  I look at it like this.  We all know that it's easier for a true frosh to make an impact on defense than offense, atleast I hope we all know that.  Since the burden will fall on the lynch mobs shoulders to win games I think it would be in princes best interest to gut load that side of the ball with talent that already isn't on offense.  Seriously, what kind of impact do you expect to see from a true frosh at wr at this level?  especially one that really hasn't been featured at that position?

if you put him in as a true frosh at wr your actually hurting the defense, offense and the player all at once.  for one your taking away what could be a key member to take this defense to a higher level, and you need that guy.  ian is good but it's gonna take more than him.  Offense will have no problems gameplanning around 1-2 playmakers, but as you add playmakers the ways to gameplan around them decrease exponentially.  Sure, you could put him on offense, watch him struggle to learn the plays.  He will see the field, maybe catch 1-2 balls per game.  My question is, can't those 1-2 receptions go to one of your other wr's?  what a waste of talent to put him at wr when he could reach his potential. and raise the level of play for the entire defense by playing defense.  He will have a very very small impact on offense, if any as a true frosdh, but he could shine bright as gold on defense.

I wish we had two LaMark Browns.  :'(

Rob Jackson is very solid though.  Will be one of the Big 12's best defensive end.  Pretty big too (6'3'' 275).

April 24, 2007, 09:00:31 PM
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who is your other base end if abana doesn't pan out for this year?  do you have another 6'5, 300 pound monster on tap?

I heard jacksons name alot during your spring game broadcast, was he going up against a 3rd string offensive tackle or something?

April 24, 2007, 09:02:32 PM
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who is your other base end if abana doesn't pan out for this year?  do you have another 6'5, 300 pound monster on tap?

I heard jacksons name alot during your spring game broadcast, was he going up against a 3rd string offensive tackle or something?

Yeah.  He's actually good though.  If Abana doesn't pan out, I guess we go with Moses Manu.  Who isn't so big (6'3'' 265)  :frown:.  Or maybe we move a DT there. 

April 24, 2007, 09:11:00 PM
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April 24, 2007, 09:21:26 PM
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"I have heard that Chandler is better in coverage. That was also demonstrated somewhat by Asante's play this spring--he is weaker on coverage. The great thing about Asante though is that he is a hitter, and from what I have heard he might be playing linebacker for us eventually. "

keep in mind the guy was hurt for most of spring.  I think he stays at safety.  he might not start this year but he will be on the field alot.  NU will do alot of 3-4 stuff this year as well, so maybe he moves up as one of the 4 backers in that, not sure though

I could be totally wrong, but with all the linebackers we are losing, I think both Asante and Culbert are going to end up there.

April 24, 2007, 09:31:34 PM
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"I guess we go with Moses Manu.  Who isn't so big (6'3'' 265)  .  Or maybe we move a DT there.  "

that would be bad

April 24, 2007, 09:32:16 PM
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"I could be totally wrong, but with all the linebackers we are losing, I think both Asante and Culbert are going to end up there"

I think steve o will get  another year for the broken leg thing

April 24, 2007, 09:39:07 PM
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It's pathetic how much the happy husker fan knows about our team. Can someone say concerned??

April 24, 2007, 09:41:36 PM
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not concerned, it's  called retaining information from past conversations about ksu football with it's fans.  I guess you would be more happy if we didn't know anything about your team.  that way you could lie and tell us some bs, but you forget, we play you every year so we do know a little something, plus with the internet, there is very little I couldn't find out about ksu if I wanted.

April 24, 2007, 09:48:37 PM
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not concerned, it's  called retaining information from past conversations about ksu football with it's fans.  I guess you would be more happy if we didn't know anything about your team.  that way you could lie and tell us some bs, but you forget, we play you every year so we do know a little something, plus with the internet, there is very little I couldn't find out about ksu if I wanted.

I didn't listen to your spring game.

April 24, 2007, 09:50:04 PM
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If you've really paid attention to KSU fans, you know that many of us are concerned about our size up front.  We are what we are.  Most of us do think the change is for the better and we'll be a better defense.  I've said several times this defense will make many more big plays than last year, but we'll probably give up some more as well.  I think we end up better off than the Tampa 2 and the passive schemes from the previous two seasons.

April 24, 2007, 09:50:27 PM
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stunner, keep looking at yourr sig pic, that is a guy begging to be let loose on defense.  He wants to hit people.  To him, a highlight reel would consist of a bloody mouthpiece and an ambulance.  Their is no finesse, route running, gazelle like strides in that boy, just a killer.  

as much as I would hate to see him hit a husker and lay them out, tell prince to not screw this kid over, tell him to put him where god intended him to be, so we all can watch him and watch him hit people.

April 24, 2007, 09:53:49 PM
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not concerned, it's  called retaining information from past conversations about ksu football with it's fans.  I guess you would be more happy if we didn't know anything about your team.  that way you could lie and tell us some bs, but you forget, we play you every year so we do know a little something, plus with the internet, there is very little I couldn't find out about ksu if I wanted.
So you get your information from talking to us? Now I know that you never know what you're talking about.

stunner, keep looking at yourr sig pic, that is a guy begging to be let loose on defense.  He wants to hit people.  To him, a highlight reel would consist of a bloody mouthpiece and an ambulance.  Their is no finesse, route running, gazelle like strides in that boy, just a killer. 

as much as I would hate to see him hit a husker and lay them out, tell prince to not screw this kid over, tell him to put him where god intended him to be, so we all can watch him and watch him hit people.
You're right, we're recruiting that kid as a LB in '08. Dumbass. His name is Arthur Brown.

April 24, 2007, 09:56:13 PM
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stunner, keep looking at yourr sig pic, that is a guy begging to be let loose on defense.  He wants to hit people.  To him, a highlight reel would consist of a bloody mouthpiece and an ambulance.  Their is no finesse, route running, gazelle like strides in that boy, just a killer. 

as much as I would hate to see him hit a husker and lay them out, tell prince to not screw this kid over, tell him to put him where god intended him to be, so we all can watch him and watch him hit people.

I know.  LaMark would be a stud on defense.  But Daniel Gonzalez and Cedric Wilson.  Who?  Exactly.

April 24, 2007, 09:59:39 PM
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the problem with your size ksu fan is that in the 3-4 your probaly not going to make to many big plays because any team with a decent o-line nad decent rb is going  to run right at that front 3 and get 5 yards a carry.  you won't make many big plays when you can't stop the run.  you make big plays when you stop the run, force the team into bad yardage, rush the qb, pressure him into giving you a big play.  I don't see your 3-4 stopping the run and I don't see it getting a ton of pressure on a consistant basis to rattle the qb's cage, atleast not against the better teams on your schedule.

now, if we could  borrow you adam carriker, jay moore and Nadomakong Suh you would have a very good front 3.

and then you would ofcourse give us lamark Brown so we could give him a blackshirt.  ofcourse then our line would suck and it wouldn't matter.  uh oh, talking crazy, sinus meds kicking in...signing off


April 24, 2007, 10:10:05 PM
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I have an understanding of the 3-4.  I know that you can do some things with your front 7 that you can't do in a 4-3 to put pressure on an offense, and frankly there aren't many teams in the Big 12 that we'll face with a dominant OL that is going to come at us with a power running game.  The main team like that we play this year is NU.  That is why I say compared to last year we'll be more capable of making some big plays by slanting our front and mixing in stunts with our LBs.  I don't care what you heard on the radio, after with Campbell and Jackson we have a pair of players who can be playmakers, and we'll see if more step up, namely Walker, Roland, and Abana coming in.  That's not even factoring in our secondary, which I think will be solid. 

That said, the risk is if you are agressive and have to slant/stunt a lot then sometimes you are going to "guess wrong" and you get a DE washed down or your NG can't handle two gaps and all of a sudden they get people on your LBs and the ball is out.  That is why I said we'll probably give up some more big plays b/c we'll have one or both safties in the box unlike last year their will be some seems in our defense.  However, I think the switch will take advantage of our speed and give us the best possible chance to be a competitive football team and put us in position to win 6-8 games this season. 

April 24, 2007, 10:11:30 PM
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I have an understanding of the 3-4.  I know that you can do some things with your front 7 that you can't do in a 4-3 to put pressure on an offense, and frankly there aren't many teams in the Big 12 that we'll face with a dominant OL that is going to come at us with a power running game.  The main team like that we play this year is NU.  That is why I say compared to last year we'll be more capable of making some big plays by slanting our front and mixing in stunts with our LBs.  I don't care what you heard on the radio, after with Campbell and Jackson we have a pair of players who can be playmakers, and we'll see if more step up, namely Walker, Roland, and Abana coming in.  That's not even factoring in our secondary, which I think will be solid. 

That said, the risk is if you are agressive and have to slant/stunt a lot then sometimes you are going to "guess wrong" and you get a DE washed down or your NG can't handle two gaps and all of a sudden they get people on your LBs and the ball is out.  That is why I said we'll probably give up some more big plays b/c we'll have one or both safties in the box unlike last year their will be some seems in our defense.  However, I think the switch will take advantage of our speed and give us the best possible chance to be a competitive football team and put us in position to win 6-8 games this season. 

Will it be "Phil Bennett" aggressive?

April 24, 2007, 10:14:30 PM
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stunner, not quite.  But it will be much more agressive than we've seen the past three seasons.  We'll mix more man and zone coverages; we won't leave our corners on an island very often, but we'll mix up the ways we can bring a 4th rusher and I think we'll bring a 5th or even a 6th quite a bit.  That's the beauty of the 3-4, you have multiple ways of bringing pressure from your 4 LBs and even the safeties and you can roll coverages behind it to help.  However, like I said if you get caught in the wrong stunt/slant then you could give up a very big play.  I don't mind that, I like getting into attack mode more and its a great way to use our speed. 

April 24, 2007, 10:20:22 PM
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I always learn so much about our team, and football in general, after reading gays posts.

April 25, 2007, 12:34:29 PM
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your d-line isn't any better than your o-line.  just that in your scrimmage it was very unbalanced.

I hope you put him at wr, I won't worry about him then.  I have seen him play, he is a hitter and that is how he plays.  putting him on offense will have the same effect  on him as what happens to a grizzly after 20 years in a zoo.

so please, get him at wr. and play him as a true frosh so you can say you killed a year of his elgability, like you did freemans just to get somebody on the field who doesn't have a clue as to what they are doing 
]No, you have not seen him play.  You may have seen a few highlight reels, but you have not seen him play in person.

April 25, 2007, 12:35:25 PM
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your d-line isn't any better than your o-line.  just that in your scrimmage it was very unbalanced.

I hope you put him at wr, I won't worry about him then.  I have seen him play, he is a hitter and that is how he plays.  putting him on offense will have the same effect  on him as what happens to a grizzly after 20 years in a zoo.

so please, get him at wr. and play him as a true frosh so you can say you killed a year of his elgability, like you did freemans just to get somebody on the field who doesn't have a clue as to what they are doing 
]No, you have not seen him play.  You may have seen a few highlight reels, but you have not seen him play in person.

Actually, it would not surprise me if he had.

April 25, 2007, 04:52:40 PM
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I actually saw him play on a fluke.  I went to visit my father in  san antonio and caught the army game festivities for the heck of it.  I even talked to one of the assistants a couple hours and many beers after the game in a little bar off the river walk and we talked for 3 minutes and that was one of the questions I asked him, he told me the kid could play several positions on both sides of the ball but where he did his best, and where he felt the most comfortable was on defense.  He said the kid just wants to hit.

mother nature, or satan himself gave this kid a killer instinct on the football field, why anyone would want to take that away is beyond me.  Now sure, you can play rough at wr, you can block and get physical at the los but basically, the wr's job is to run away from people, Brown doesn't want to run away, he wants to run through people.

April 25, 2007, 07:37:47 PM
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April 25, 2007, 07:41:12 PM
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I actually saw him play on a fluke.  I went to visit my father in  san antonio and caught the army game festivities for the heck of it.  I even talked to one of the assistants a couple hours and many beers after the game in a little bar off the river walk and we talked for 3 minutes and that was one of the questions I asked him, he told me the kid could play several positions on both sides of the ball but where he did his best, and where he felt the most comfortable was on defense.  He said the kid just wants to hit.

mother nature, or satan himself gave this kid a killer instinct on the football field, why anyone would want to take that away is beyond me.  Now sure, you can play rough at wr, you can block and get physical at the los but basically, the wr's job is to run away from people, Brown doesn't want to run away, he wants to run through people.

4 star WR, 5 star LB?  Agreed?

I think he'd be rated much higher if rivals had video on him.  Or do they?  I don't know.  Whatev.

April 25, 2007, 08:28:23 PM
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I would say he is a solid 4 star at lb and maybe a low 3 star or solid 2 star.  He just doesn't have a wr body type and doesn't have close the experience needed to rank him amongst the nations best at wr.  lb yes, wr nope