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April 23, 2007, 12:38:59 AM
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If you could choose which one was more dominant at this time which would it be?  Would you have rather have seen Freeman just completely tear apart our 3-4 defense with everyone on the defensive side looking completely lost, or would you rather have what happened.......the defense looking pretty legit so far with what looks to be a large group of potential playmakers and Freeman looking lost?



April 23, 2007, 12:42:20 AM
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I would rather not have the Josh Freeman led offense gain 0 yards. 

April 23, 2007, 12:45:10 AM
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Isn't the defense supposed to be ahead of the offense right now?  Also, we are counting on some recruits coming in for offense.  So I'd say defense.

April 23, 2007, 01:20:31 AM
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I don't put much stock into scrimmages, but then again, you can't completely ignore it, either.

And I don't care if it's practice, or a pickup game, or whatever ... to gain ZERO yards of total offense is embarrassing. That was absolutely a hideous performance, and there's no other way around it. 

EDIT: I heard the rides sucked, too.
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April 23, 2007, 12:17:52 PM
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Wow,  I wasn't able to go to the game but, I have to say, my main concern is with the offensive line.  Zero yds equals pathetic offensive line play.  There should be some holes somewhere, sometime.  It sounds like Freeman had a pathetic day, as well.  When will we learn how to run a short passing game, or some type of attack to offset poor blocking at least somewhat...or could Freeman not execute that?  In either case, it is difficult to assess the D because the O was obviously lousy...was it great D, or horrible O.  Hard to say in a scrimmage.  You're right, there is more help coming, predominantly on the offensive side of the ball, so we'll just have to choose to be excited about the D, and hopeful about the O.

April 23, 2007, 12:31:13 PM
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Has anyone actually looked at the stats from the game?  Aside from the two td's Coffman threw; Freeman and Coffman looked pretty much the same. 

In fact, coffman probably would have had more turnovers had he been going against a better D.

Everyone's so hung up on the purple squad's 0 total yards, but so quick to jump on coffman's nuts because he outshined Freeman.

The difference between the two? 25 more yards on 3 extra completions with with 7 extra attempts... two touchdowns; but the TD's came from drives where the RB made up most of the field...

Freeman's help from the RB's?   6 attempts for -11 yards. 
Coffman's help from the RB's?   19 attempts for 81 yards.



Clearly, they both sucked.
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April 23, 2007, 12:39:47 PM
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Great points there.

A couple things I think we can take from the spring game:

1) We currently don't have enough depth to make a running clock spring game with mixed rosters work well.
2) That said, we are currently deeper on defense than offense and the defense had way fewer injured key players.

April 23, 2007, 03:40:11 PM
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As far as the actual season goes, gotta go with a dominant D. KSU won 9 games with Brian Kavanaugh and mike lawrence (or some not so amazing rb). If your D can dominate, you can win a lot of fball games (see chicago bears).
I'd take a team with an up and down qb (aka lots of turnovers; freeman, grossman) and an occasional outbreak, while having a opportunistic suffocating D.
If the D can be as dominant this year as it was on saturday(highly unlikely), ksu will at the least be in a lot of games.

April 23, 2007, 03:57:34 PM
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I would like our D to actually stop the run.  That is the only thing I'd like accomplished this year.  That and I'd like Freeman's TD/TO to be atleast even. 

April 23, 2007, 04:07:41 PM
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If you could choose which one was more dominant at this time which would it be?  Would you have rather have seen Freeman just completely tear apart our 3-4 defense with everyone on the defensive side looking completely lost, or would you rather have what happened.......the defense looking pretty legit so far with what looks to be a large group of potential playmakers and Freeman looking lost?




Rather have the defense doing better because they should do better. The way the teams are divided up plays into the defenses hands.  Offense is about timing and continuity and you don't get that with a hodge podge group of guys playing together for the first time with some guys not even playing in their normal positions. 

That said Freeman played poorly he needs to protect the ball.  I don't care about the total yardage numbers it was the turnovers and his carelessness with the ball that concerns me.  Not much you can do about the yardage numbers when everytime you hand the ball off you lose 2 yards or more.  But you can throw the ball away or tuck it and run when the situation calls for it.  He never did that he stood there and held the ball and forced it into coverage time after time. 

April 23, 2007, 05:10:30 PM
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Freeman over and underthrowing/ throwing the ball into the ground is not the defence's fault.  He need to stop watching Meier gametape.


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