If F. Martin gets a pledge from Sutton, Beazy, Walker, etc..

[Bookcat]

would you want him to be named head coach?

Or do you wanna start fresh with another guy?


Short vs. long term discussion here.

[michigancat]

It depends on who "another guy" is.

[Bookcat]

It depends on who "another guy" is.

Alirght ...for hypothetical reasons...let's say it's someone "so-so"...

Like McDermott, Anderson, Capel...etc...

[cireksu]

Keep him if he gets that and give him 4 years.

[FHSU92]

I think the one year salvage will have a better chance at leading to long-term success.  If we lose this recruiting class, who do we get to fill those schollies this late in the game?

Thus, we need this class to get us back on the map & in the dance.  When Beas/BW leave with DH and Stew, there will be schollies for the new coach AND time to look for the right hire.  That would also give Frank and Hill time to find positions they want.

[michigancat]

It depends on who "another guy" is.

Alirght ...for hypothetical reasons...let's say it's someone "so-so"...

Like McDermott, Anderson, Capel...etc...

Hmmm....I think I'd have to say go with Frank Martin (except Capel, he's recruiting McDAA's).  I'm just worried about passing up on an Eddie Sutton to hire a Dana Altman.

[Bookcat]

my philosophy..


GO AHEAD WITH OUR PLAN!! With our without Huggins.


Build the suites, get a pledge from Martin and his players and move on without him.

[BeaumontCat1%]

Keep him if he gets that and give him 4 years.

So KSU should basically let three 18-19 year-olds decide who the next coach should be?  I guess it's a better option that letting little Timmy make the decision.  Maybe they could get a buy out clause a little greater than 100k.

[michigancat]

Keep him if he gets that and give him 4 years.

So KSU should basically let three 18-19 year-olds decide who the next coach should be?  I guess it's a better option that letting little Timmy make the decision.  Maybe they could get a buy out clause a little greater than 100k.

Are you the same spani from phog.net?

If you think about it, hiring a good recruiter (very important) is essentially letting 18-19 year olds tell you who to hire.

[AzCat]

It depends on who "another guy" is.

Alirght ...for hypothetical reasons...let's say it's someone "so-so"...

Like McDermott, Anderson, Capel...etc...

Hmmm....I think I'd have to say go with Frank Martin (except Capel, he's recruiting McDAA's).  I'm just worried about passing up on an Eddie Sutton to hire a Dana Altman.

We hired Altman because he was a K-State guy.  We hired Wooldridge because he was a K-State kind of guy.  See a trend there? 

Martin is anything but a K-State kind of guy.  Based on our last few hires that alone should be enough to get him a long look.

[coitus]

So KSU should basically let three 18-19 year-olds decide who the next coach should be?  I guess it's a better option that letting little Timmy make the decision.  Maybe they could get a buy out clause a little greater than 100k.

wvu had a buyout clause of $2.5M.

how'd that work out for them?

[michigancat]

It depends on who "another guy" is.

Alirght ...for hypothetical reasons...let's say it's someone "so-so"...

Like McDermott, Anderson, Capel...etc...

Hmmm....I think I'd have to say go with Frank Martin (except Capel, he's recruiting McDAA's).  I'm just worried about passing up on an Eddie Sutton to hire a Dana Altman.

We hired Altman because he was a K-State guy.  We hired Wooldridge because he was a K-State kind of guy.  See a trend there? 

Martin is anything but a K-State kind of guy.  Based on our last few hires that alone should be enough to get him a long look.

nice points.  I think Martin would die if he could get the Miami job (and he'd kick ass at it).  Hopefully Frank Haith wouldn't get canned next year if we made that move.

[catzacker]

It depends on who "another guy" is.

Alirght ...for hypothetical reasons...let's say it's someone "so-so"...

Like McDermott, Anderson, Capel...etc...

Hmmm....I think I'd have to say go with Frank Martin (except Capel, he's recruiting McDAA's).  I'm just worried about passing up on an Eddie Sutton to hire a Dana Altman.

Who is the Eddie Sutton that is out there?  

[michigancat]

Mike Montgomery is probably the closest.  And I think you have to offer lon $1.5 mill and practice facility construction starting before the end of the year.

Who knows who'd be interested?

[BeaumontCat1%]

Keep him if he gets that and give him 4 years.

So KSU should basically let three 18-19 year-olds decide who the next coach should be?  I guess it's a better option that letting little Timmy make the decision.  Maybe they could get a buy out clause a little greater than 100k.

Are you the same spani from phog.net?

If you think about it, hiring a good recruiter (very important) is essentially letting 18-19 year olds tell you who to hire.

Same spani.

I sort of agree.  But at least when you hire a good recruiter (as opposed to a specific coach that specific players prefer) you're not empowering those specific players quite as much.  

Not to say I am opposed to hiring someone from the current staff.  I'd just like for timmy to wipe away his tears long enough to put some thought into the hire, and look beyond the 07-08 season.

[BeaumontCat1%]

So KSU should basically let three 18-19 year-olds decide who the next coach should be?  I guess it's a better option that letting little Timmy make the decision.  Maybe they could get a buy out clause a little greater than 100k.

wvu had a buyout clause of $2.5M.

how'd that work out for them?

It worked out about $2.4 million better than it did for KSU.  Plus they got an upgrade in coaches, imo.

[WildFan101]

Give Frank Martin 1 year to do what he can and keep the recruiting class. If does well, let him stay, if he fails, who knows what coaches will be available next year. We should continue construction of the suites and next year this will be a VERY good looking job.

[coitus]

So KSU should basically let three 18-19 year-olds decide who the next coach should be?  I guess it's a better option that letting little Timmy make the decision.  Maybe they could get a buy out clause a little greater than 100k.

wvu had a buyout clause of $2.5M.

how'd that work out for them?

It worked out about $2.4 million better than it did for KSU.  Plus they got an upgrade in coaches, imo.

the buyout had nothing to do with the upgrade in coaches.  for a big time coach, buyout is not an option.

a buyout didn't keep beilen at wvu, and wouldn't have prevented donovan from leaving uf.  matter of fact, i can't think of a single elite coach that has ever not moved strictly because of the buyout.

[WILDCAT NATION]

It depends on who "another guy" is.

Alirght ...for hypothetical reasons...let's say it's someone "so-so"...

Like McDermott, Anderson, Capel...etc...

Hmmm....I think I'd have to say go with Frank Martin (except Capel, he's recruiting McDAA's).  I'm just worried about passing up on an Eddie Sutton to hire a Dana Altman.

Who is the Eddie Sutton that is out there?  

This is what I want to know...I'm lookin' around, and there just isn't much out there.

[AzCat]

nice points.  I think Martin would die if he could get the Miami job (and he'd kick ass at it).  Hopefully Frank Haith wouldn't get canned next year if we made that move.

If he did and Martin bolts ... so what?  Next year is a disaster and the program a complete rebuild if we lose this year's class.  Get this class in and if Martin bolts hopefully the ones that are 4-year players won't transfer out with him.

[michigancat]

Same spani.

I sort of agree.  But at least when you hire a good recruiter (as opposed to a specific coach that specific players prefer) you're not empowering those specific players quite as much. 

Not to say I am opposed to hiring someone from the current staff.  I'd just like for timmy to wipe away his tears long enough to put some thought into the hire, and look beyond the 07-08 season.

You should post here more often!

One thing about Martin, is he has INCREDIBLE Florida connections.  You don't think it's a coincidence that our first 3 recruits were from Florida, do you?  There's a reason top 100 Florida players Swopshire, Kadji, and Shipman are seriously considering KSU, and it isn't the beautiful Flint Hills.

[BeaumontCat1%]

So KSU should basically let three 18-19 year-olds decide who the next coach should be?  I guess it's a better option that letting little Timmy make the decision.  Maybe they could get a buy out clause a little greater than 100k.

wvu had a buyout clause of $2.5M.

how'd that work out for them?

It worked out about $2.4 million better than it did for KSU.  Plus they got an upgrade in coaches, imo.

the buyout had nothing to do with the upgrade in coaches.  for a big time coach, buyout is not an option.

a buyout didn't keep beilen at wvu, and wouldn't have prevented donovan from leaving uf.  matter of fact, i can't think of a single elite coach that has ever not moved strictly because of the buyout.

Agree 100%.  A huge buyout wasn't keeping Huggins in Manhattan, and I wouldn't want him if he only stayed because his suitor couldn't pony up the cash.  But if you're going to get punked, it would be nice to at least get a payday out of it.

And. . . there is absolutely no reason to NOT have a huge buyout.  What was Huggins (or his agent) going to say when they were negotiating the contract a year ago, "We are really excited about this opportunity at KSU, but we want a really small buyout so we can move on if something comes up"?

[dad2six]

Keeping this class is a priority due to visibility.  If we keep this group we'll be in the spotlight which leads to better recruiting for years to come, whether Martin pans out or not.  Let this class go and we fade into obscurity.

[ksu_class02]

Remember how long it took for the contract to get signed? Huggins was named head coach and he didn't sign the contract until a month later... I would imagine the buyout clause was one of the sticking points.

I agree with many of you... I don't see a coach out there that could make even half the splash that Huggins did. Let's face it, Weiser and Co. have a tough decision ahead of them, and have a chance of losing a lot of what was just built this year.