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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: ksuno1stunner on March 11, 2007, 09:55:23 PM
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GARY WALTERS, TOURN SELECTION COMMITTEE CHAIR, PRINCETON ATHLETIC DIR.
Every year we look at selecting teams and start with a clean slate. Our job is to recognize once conference play is over every team becomes an independent. Our job is to compare and contrast all of the teams regardless of conference affiliation. We adhere to that principal. Some years you have the mid-majors that end up with more teams in the tournament. Some years they have fewer teams in the tournament. Frankly, it wasn't until the end of selection that we asked the question, 'How did this all shake out?' It was the last question I know that I asked and we ended up with six.
BUBBLE SITUATION
By far the toughest thing was selecting the last three our four at-large teams. We spent a considerable amount of time over the course of almost two or three days discussing those at-large teams and it wasn't easy. We had an unbelievably rigorous and robust debate. That was really where the focus was and where the difficulty was because of the number of teams with very good records.
UNBALANCED SCHEDULES -- TEXAS TECH AND K-STATE -- DECIDING FACTOR WITH THOSE TWO TEAMS
Clearly, unbalanced schedules did come into play. We talked about it earlier and more and more leagues have unbalanced schedules, which clearly makes our job more difficult. We were impressed by the fact that Texas Tech had beaten Texas A&M twice and beat Kansas and they had a couple nice wins outside of the league and were playing in the South division of the Big 12, which was viewed as the tougher division, and also beat Kansas State earlier in the season in head-to-head. As it turns out they ended up getting seated because they were in the tougher division and had to play a game one game before they had to play Kansas State in the tournament, so the general feeling was that when you looked at it, it was a very, very close call but we really felt Texas Tech merited inclusion.
Friend typed it up for me.
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I hate to say it, but I kinda agree with the guy.
Nobody can argue that 2 wins vs CO is the same quality of win vs Texas or beating ATM twice.
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Or a ku win too.
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I hate to say it, but I kinda agree with the guy.
Nobody can argue that 2 wins vs CO is the same quality of win vs Texas or beating ATM twice.
He should have ended it on that.
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I hate to say it, but I kinda agree with the guy.
Nobody can argue that 2 wins vs CO is the same quality of win vs Texas or beating ATM twice.
Except that despite those wins, they finished behind KSU not only in the regular season, but also in the post season tournament.
To say TT is better than KSU despite that is total horsecrap.
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Ended it at that? You are saying that a win over Kansas would not be worth a win over Texas or Texas A&M? But isn't Kansas ranked higher than both those teams? I'm just saying, a win over ku, just one of the three, would have gotten us in the tourney.
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Ended it at that? You are saying that a win over Kansas would not be worth a win over Texas or Texas A&M? But isn't Kansas ranked higher than both those teams? I'm just saying, a win over ku, just one of the three, would have gotten us in the tourney.
What I meant was he should have ended on Tech having quality wins. Not the other bullcrap:
were playing in the South division of the Big 12, which was viewed as the tougher division, and also beat Kansas State earlier in the season in head-to-head. As it turns out they ended up getting seated because they were in the tougher division and had to play a game one game before they had to play Kansas State in the tournament, so the general feeling was that when you looked at it, it was a very, very close call but we really felt Texas Tech merited inclusion.
Why is this fagball player on this board?
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Ended it at that? You are saying that a win over Kansas would not be worth a win over Texas or Texas A&M? But isn't Kansas ranked higher than both those teams? I'm just saying, a win over ku, just one of the three, would have gotten us in the tourney.
Please go back to the phag site.
You have already been pegged as a ku fan.
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I hate to say it, but I kinda agree with the guy.
Nobody can argue that 2 wins vs CO is the same quality of win vs Texas or beating ATM twice.
No, but I can argue that losing to Baylor, OU, and NU is worse than just losing to NU. TT has 3 good wins (A&M-2, and ku) and have 3 bad losses (Baylor, OU, and NU). We have one good win (UT) and 1 bad loss (NU). In TT's non-con, they beat Arkansas...we beat USC. The difference, oddly, is that TT lost to team's like Marquette and Standford...KSU lost to teams like California and New Mexico in the non-con. What pissed me off about the Committee chair, is that there should have been a pretty good argument between TT and KSU getting in...it appeared by the committee chair's statements, that the argument essentially ended at "well, the south is better". Why the F--- does ku get a number 1 seed? They simply swept a weak north and had an advantageous south schedule (and still managed to almost mess it up).
That being said, we f-ing crushed them and were a better team at the end of the year.
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Tourney should also be about getting the teams in that are playing the best / have clearly improved over the course of the year:
KSU >>>>>>>>>>> TTU (21 pts., in fact)
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Under the Walters logic, we probably should've just cancelled the season after the 0-2 start vs. the South schools.
Any quality record after that is bogus due to playing in the North.
Any Big XII Tourney wins are bogus due to being over-seeded due to playing in the North.
I really wish I'd known of these contingencies before investing so much of myself into KSU basketball the last 2 months.
I'm having a hard time meshing the above standards with what he said about ku deserving a #1 seed by winning the conference (while playing in the north) and winning the tourney (while playing 1 team that played the day before when ku hadn't, a north team, and a team that played the late game the night before).
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I wasn't really pissed until I saw that interview. There are so many contradictions in that paragraph in particular and his entire interview in general...
I'm still pissed.
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ku should at best be a 4 seed. I don't know what the committee was thinking. Their only wins were against the no.1 overall seed Florida, Boston College, USC and Texas twice...Their best wins were the three they stole from us!
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Basically blowing Tech out at the Big 12 tourney meant nothing.
K-State didn't beat Tech, K-State embarrassed Tech, the committee supposedly puts so much into late season performance, but obviously not here.
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I'm not sure there was much stock in late season performance at all this year, with the LARGE exception of Arkansas (SEC Tourney).
KSU won 12 of 16 down the stretch.
Syracuse won 5 of their last 6, beating G-Town down in the process.
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Basically blowing Tech out at the Big 12 tourney meant nothing.
K-State didn't beat Tech, K-State embarrassed Tech, the committee supposedly puts so much into late season performance, but obviously not here.
Dax, what you fail to understand is that a performance in a post season tournament is only important if you have a 7-9 conference record, beat three marginal teams that didn't even make the final 64 field in route to a 20 point drubbing to Florida in the championship game, and oh, you're in the SEC who just happens to have a television contract with CBS.
The conference tournament. Only important to some, but not all.
Glad the selection committee is at least consistent in their criteria.
Must be nice. We just sort of make the rules as we go along.
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I'm not sure there was much stock in late season performance at all this year, with the LARGE exception of Arkansas (SEC Tourney).
KSU won 12 of 16 down the stretch.
Syracuse won 5 of their last 6, beating G-Town down in the process.
12-5 last 17 games, with ku (#1 seed) beating us 3 times. So 12-2 vs. everybody else.
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If only we didn't have to play ku three times this year...12-2 looks much better.
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If only we didn't have to play ku three times this year...12-2 looks much better.
Worst. Sock. Ever.
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If only we didn't have to play ku three times this year...12-2 looks much better.
Worst. Sock. Ever.
No kidding. Go play fagball somewhere else.
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Shouldn't we get credit or a pass for ugly wins and/or losses earlier in the year when Huggins practiced the hell out of our guys the day before or the day of a game?