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It's the hope here that their collective talents will be of Big 12 standards, and their loyalty will be to their school and not just a job — for now.
Loyalty?
Look under Kleinau — "Shorty" Kleinau — in the Wildcat dictionary.
(http://www.wildcatdaily.com/view/article.asp?sectionid=Home/News&id=826-2007-02-16-43987-16)
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I particularly liked this part...
This is nothing against the latest cast of replacements, but the second try of "star power" coaches has backgrounds from such locales as Richmond, Connecticut, Western Connecticut, Cornell, Central Connecticut State, Holy Cross, Pittsburgh, Kentucky, Temple, Salisbury State, Kentucky State, Eastern Kentucky, Appalachian State, and Maynard Evans High School (Orlando, Fla.).
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:eek:
Dude has hated Prince from Day One...mainly for being "not Snyder".
He's got a point, but he's being a tad dramatic.
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:eek:
Dude has hated Prince from Day One...mainly for being "not Snyder".
He's got a point, but he's being a tad dramatic.
He has been after Prince from the start. I can't say that I always disagree, but he is very over the top. I wonder what Prince did to get on the dark side of Jannsen.
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I wonder what Prince did to get on the dark side of Jannsen.
being "not Snyder".
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I love how the equipment manager is the straw that broke the camel's back. Snyder refused to fire Elliott and make other imperative staff changes which lead to the downfall of the program, and Janssen (as well as other powertards) are crying over the equipment manager.
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Now all we need is for Weiser to pull a "dax" on Weird Robert.
GPC would probably crash the entire internet.
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Prince should just blacklist the mercury.
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He should fire Janssen
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I love how the equipment manager is the straw that broke the camel's back. Snyder refused to fire Elliott and make other imperative staff changes which lead to the downfall of the program, and Janssen (as well as other powertards) are crying over the equipment manager.
Bobby Elliot did have the number one defense in the nation one season. His worst ranked defense was rated about 15 places higher then that overated soft non run stopping unit we ran on the field this past year. I"m not trying to bash Prince but why do so many KSU fans insist on getting digs in at Snyder when they defend Prince? Just leave Sndyer out of this his record at KSU speaks for itself. I honestly wonder how long some of these people have been fans of KSU when they talk about Snyder leading to the downfall of the program. He built the freaking program from pure crap to a legit winning program this board wouldn't exist and most of you wouldn't be k-State fans if it wasn't for Bill Sndyer. So just back the hell off from the man he wasn't perfect but he made a hell of a lot more good decisions at KSU then he did bad ones.
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I love how the equipment manager is the straw that broke the camel's back. Snyder refused to fire Elliott and make other imperative staff changes which lead to the downfall of the program, and Janssen (as well as other powertards) are crying over the equipment manager.
Bobby Elliot did have the number one defense in the nation one season. His worst ranked defense was rated about 15 places higher then that overated soft non run stopping unit we ran on the field this past year. I"m not trying to bash Prince but why do so many KSU fans insist on getting digs in at Snyder when they defend Prince? Just leave Sndyer out of this his record at KSU speaks for itself. I honestly wonder how long some of these people have been fans of KSU when they talk about Snyder leading to the downfall of the program. He built the freaking program from pure @#%$ to a legit winning program this board wouldn't exist and most of you wouldn't be k-State fans if it wasn't for Bill Sndyer. So just back the hell off from the man he wasn't perfect but he made a hell of a lot more good decisions at KSU then he did bad ones.
Elliot also had one of the big 12 worst defenses since inception of the conference in 2004. He led a defense that allowed 32 ppg and 32.5 ppg in big 12 play two straight seasons. Even at ku, that is considered bad.
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Does anyone else think it's pathetic that what took Jansen to write this article was a &@#%ing manager being let go?
Not the loss to Baylor?
Not the mediocre recruiting?
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want happens if robert needs a ride home from tokyo? does prince just leave him? no he's just a another f--ing fan... right!
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I love how the equipment manager is the straw that broke the camel's back. Snyder refused to fire Elliott and make other imperative staff changes which lead to the downfall of the program, and Janssen (as well as other powertards) are crying over the equipment manager.
Bobby Elliot did have the number one defense in the nation one season. His worst ranked defense was rated about 15 places higher then that overated soft non run stopping unit we ran on the field this past year. I"m not trying to bash Prince but why do so many KSU fans insist on getting digs in at Snyder when they defend Prince? Just leave Sndyer out of this his record at KSU speaks for itself. I honestly wonder how long some of these people have been fans of KSU when they talk about Snyder leading to the downfall of the program. He built the freaking program from pure @#%$ to a legit winning program this board wouldn't exist and most of you wouldn't be k-State fans if it wasn't for Bill Sndyer. So just back the hell off from the man he wasn't perfect but he made a hell of a lot more good decisions at KSU then he did bad ones.
Elliot turned a defensive tradition into a distant memory. It really wasn't a dig at Snyder as much as it was at Janssen. As fatty pointed out, there are a variety of items that should have/could have been used to show Prince might not have it.
And as for Snyder, he was the coach who lead the program to heights that it might not get back to, but he was also the coach that lead the team to 4-7 and 5-6 in his last two years. If he gets credit for the successes (which were many), then he gets credit for the failures (which were few), but don't try to paint an "unpatriotic" picture of KSU fans who discuss/recognize those failures.
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I love how the equipment manager is the straw that broke the camel's back. Snyder refused to fire Elliott and make other imperative staff changes which lead to the downfall of the program, and Janssen (as well as other powertards) are crying over the equipment manager.
Bobby Elliot did have the number one defense in the nation one season. His worst ranked defense was rated about 15 places higher then that overated soft non run stopping unit we ran on the field this past year. I"m not trying to bash Prince but why do so many KSU fans insist on getting digs in at Snyder when they defend Prince? Just leave Sndyer out of this his record at KSU speaks for itself. I honestly wonder how long some of these people have been fans of KSU when they talk about Snyder leading to the downfall of the program. He built the freaking program from pure @#%$ to a legit winning program this board wouldn't exist and most of you wouldn't be k-State fans if it wasn't for Bill Sndyer. So just back the hell off from the man he wasn't perfect but he made a hell of a lot more good decisions at KSU then he did bad ones.
You could say the same for Prince...if you just ignore all his wacky BS and just look at W-L record, he did a great job considering the previous two seasons.
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The wacky BS brought in some damn good recruits on extremely short notice and it brought 30000 fans to the spring game and energized a dejected fan base. I think he gets trashed alot for one of his best qualities.
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The wacky BS brought in some damn good recruits on extremely short notice and it brought 30000 fans to the spring game and energized a dejected fan base. I think he gets trashed alot for one of his best qualities.
No, I'm thinking more along the lines of his making assistant coaches do windsprints and stuff.
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What do you expect from a pundit that took over three years to get on board with the program in the first place. As a Manhattanite, I hope Janssen will write his last pathetic, anti-K-State article and enjoy his retirement. He is old and needs to move out of the way.
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The wacky BS brought in some damn good recruits on extremely short notice and it brought 30000 fans to the spring game and energized a dejected fan base. I think he gets trashed alot for one of his best qualities.
No, I'm thinking more along the lines of his making assistant coaches do windsprints and stuff.
Ahhhhhhhh
maybe they have adhd and rp wanted them to run off some steam before they drove him insane by tapping their feet in the meetings.
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Does anyone else think it's pathetic that what took Jansen to write this article was a &*$@!ing manager being let go?
Not the loss to Baylor?
Not the mediocre recruiting?
FTR, recruiting WAS mediocre, actually at first it seemed horrible, but we really did get some talent (in a non-gopowertard way). LaMark, Patterson, Chandler, Abana, Hogan, seriously, most of the guys minus the liberty retards should make an impact.
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I love how the equipment manager is the straw that broke the camel's back. Snyder refused to fire Elliott and make other imperative staff changes which lead to the downfall of the program, and Janssen (as well as other powertards) are crying over the equipment manager.
Bobby Elliot did have the number one defense in the nation one season. His worst ranked defense was rated about 15 places higher then that overated soft non run stopping unit we ran on the field this past year. I"m not trying to bash Prince but why do so many KSU fans insist on getting digs in at Snyder when they defend Prince? Just leave Sndyer out of this his record at KSU speaks for itself. I honestly wonder how long some of these people have been fans of KSU when they talk about Snyder leading to the downfall of the program. He built the freaking program from pure @#%$ to a legit winning program this board wouldn't exist and most of you wouldn't be k-State fans if it wasn't for Bill Sndyer. So just back the hell off from the man he wasn't perfect but he made a hell of a lot more good decisions at KSU then he did bad ones.
Elliot turned a defensive tradition into a distant memory. It really wasn't a dig at Snyder as much as it was at Janssen. As fatty pointed out, there are a variety of items that should have/could have been used to show Prince might not have it.
And as for Snyder, he was the coach who lead the program to heights that it might not get back to, but he was also the coach that lead the team to 4-7 and 5-6 in his last two years. If he gets credit for the successes (which were many), then he gets credit for the failures (which were few), but don't try to paint an "unpatriotic" picture of KSU fans who discuss/recognize those failures.
I just don't see the need to bring Snyder into this. What was he supossed to do fire Elliot after one bad season? He had top 10 defenses his first two years at KSU and had one bad year. Then after the second bad year Snyder retired so obviously he wasn't going to fire anyone then because they were all out of jobs anyway.
We had a crap year in 04 the seniors on that team had grown fat and lazy and expected to put on the uniform and simply win because that is what had always happened. In 05 Snyder blew it up and went young we had freshman and sophomores playing all over the place. Finished 5-6 and we were well positioned for the following year giving the schedule and the returning starters. No question things slipped but the man could have come back for another year or two and put together a couple of winning seasons and gone out that way but he chose not to because he realized it wouldn't be what was best for the program. I think Prince did a solid job last year and I generally defend him but he benefited greatly from having an experienced team especially on defense and from having lowered expectations from the fan base. IMO Snyder fell on a sword for the program, for his coaching staff, and for the next head coach and we should all be grateful for the way he went out rather then pointing how bad crappy his last two seasons were.
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the 03 defense cost us At least the OSU and Texas games. Marshall is a coin flip but we could not stop the run against them.
The only reason the 03 defense was so highly ranked is because NU, CU, ISU, ku, and Mizzou's offenses all sucked balls. Not to mention I think we played 2 1aa teams in the non con.
03 had all the writing on the wall that the defense was getting soft.
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I love how the equipment manager is the straw that broke the camel's back. Snyder refused to fire Elliott and make other imperative staff changes which lead to the downfall of the program, and Janssen (as well as other powertards) are crying over the equipment manager.
Bobby Elliot did have the number one defense in the nation one season. His worst ranked defense was rated about 15 places higher then that overated soft non run stopping unit we ran on the field this past year. I"m not trying to bash Prince but why do so many KSU fans insist on getting digs in at Snyder when they defend Prince? Just leave Sndyer out of this his record at KSU speaks for itself. I honestly wonder how long some of these people have been fans of KSU when they talk about Snyder leading to the downfall of the program. He built the freaking program from pure @#%$ to a legit winning program this board wouldn't exist and most of you wouldn't be k-State fans if it wasn't for Bill Sndyer. So just back the hell off from the man he wasn't perfect but he made a hell of a lot more good decisions at KSU then he did bad ones.
Elliot turned a defensive tradition into a distant memory. It really wasn't a dig at Snyder as much as it was at Janssen. As fatty pointed out, there are a variety of items that should have/could have been used to show Prince might not have it.
And as for Snyder, he was the coach who lead the program to heights that it might not get back to, but he was also the coach that lead the team to 4-7 and 5-6 in his last two years. If he gets credit for the successes (which were many), then he gets credit for the failures (which were few), but don't try to paint an "unpatriotic" picture of KSU fans who discuss/recognize those failures.
I just don't see the need to bring Snyder into this. What was he supossed to do fire Elliot after one bad season? He had top 10 defenses his first two years at KSU and had one bad year. Then after the second bad year Snyder retired so obviously he wasn't going to fire anyone then because they were all out of jobs anyway.
We had a crap year in 04 the seniors on that team had grown fat and lazy and expected to put on the uniform and simply win because that is what had always happened. In 05 Snyder blew it up and went young we had freshman and sophomores playing all over the place. Finished 5-6 and we were well positioned for the following year giving the schedule and the returning starters. No question things slipped but the man could have come back for another year or two and put together a couple of winning seasons and gone out that way but he chose not to because he realized it wouldn't be what was best for the program. I think Prince did a solid job last year and I generally defend him but he benefited greatly from having an experienced team especially on defense and from having lowered expectations from the fan base. IMO Snyder fell on a sword for the program, for his coaching staff, and for the next head coach and we should all be grateful for the way he went out rather then pointing how bad crappy his last two seasons were.
that is probably the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. yeah, Snyder wanted to end it the way he did. And if he did, then he deserves even more criticism for "falling on the sword". What a bunch of BS. '04 and '05 had more to do with the coaching staff, their abilities to recruit, and Snyder's inability to adapt to a changing recruiting landscape. I know it's illegal in your powertard world to say anything negative about snyder, but that's the reality of the situation.
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snyder definately lost the edge in recruting for the last 5 years he was there, go back and look at the classes and then look how many guys made impacts from those classes. and I'm not talking about the Archer's of the last couple of years, Archer wouldn't have started on any defense from 95-03.
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I love how the equipment manager is the straw that broke the camel's back. Snyder refused to fire Elliott and make other imperative staff changes which lead to the downfall of the program, and Janssen (as well as other powertards) are crying over the equipment manager.
Bobby Elliot did have the number one defense in the nation one season. His worst ranked defense was rated about 15 places higher then that overated soft non run stopping unit we ran on the field this past year. I"m not trying to bash Prince but why do so many KSU fans insist on getting digs in at Snyder when they defend Prince? Just leave Sndyer out of this his record at KSU speaks for itself. I honestly wonder how long some of these people have been fans of KSU when they talk about Snyder leading to the downfall of the program. He built the freaking program from pure @#%$ to a legit winning program this board wouldn't exist and most of you wouldn't be k-State fans if it wasn't for Bill Sndyer. So just back the hell off from the man he wasn't perfect but he made a hell of a lot more good decisions at KSU then he did bad ones.
Elliot turned a defensive tradition into a distant memory. It really wasn't a dig at Snyder as much as it was at Janssen. As fatty pointed out, there are a variety of items that should have/could have been used to show Prince might not have it.
And as for Snyder, he was the coach who lead the program to heights that it might not get back to, but he was also the coach that lead the team to 4-7 and 5-6 in his last two years. If he gets credit for the successes (which were many), then he gets credit for the failures (which were few), but don't try to paint an "unpatriotic" picture of KSU fans who discuss/recognize those failures.
I just don't see the need to bring Snyder into this. What was he supossed to do fire Elliot after one bad season? He had top 10 defenses his first two years at KSU and had one bad year. Then after the second bad year Snyder retired so obviously he wasn't going to fire anyone then because they were all out of jobs anyway.
We had a crap year in 04 the seniors on that team had grown fat and lazy and expected to put on the uniform and simply win because that is what had always happened. In 05 Snyder blew it up and went young we had freshman and sophomores playing all over the place. Finished 5-6 and we were well positioned for the following year giving the schedule and the returning starters. No question things slipped but the man could have come back for another year or two and put together a couple of winning seasons and gone out that way but he chose not to because he realized it wouldn't be what was best for the program. I think Prince did a solid job last year and I generally defend him but he benefited greatly from having an experienced team especially on defense and from having lowered expectations from the fan base. IMO Snyder fell on a sword for the program, for his coaching staff, and for the next head coach and we should all be grateful for the way he went out rather then pointing how bad crappy his last two seasons were.
Umm. I think you're missing something here. Wasn't the current Wisconsin Head Coach the CO-DC that year? That might have something to do with his one good season.
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NO question there were some things wrong with the program and recruitng needed to be updated to get back to winning 10 plus game a year. Some assistants needed to be let go and some other tweaking needed to be done. The point is Snyder could have come back and won 7 plus games his next couple of years if he cared about going out with winning seasons. But coming back and going 7-5 against soft schedules wasn't going to fix the underlying problems with the program and was only going to get us farther removed from our really good teams.
He was too old to truely fix the program the way he wanted and he chose not to hang on and squeeze the last bit of juice out of what he built. Darn near every coach outside of Tom Osborne has had bad seasons and had things get stale within their program. Snyder had a longer sustained run at the top then most and did it a place where he had far less room for error then most. It just happened in his case it happened when he was probably too old to fix it himself and he chose to walk away for the good of the program rather then waiting to try and go out on a high note. He did this knowing full well that ungrateful insecure idiots on message boards with zero football IQ's would rip him and blame him for every problem with the program for years after he retired. But luckily for KSU he really didn't care about that.
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The wacky BS brought in some damn good recruits on extremely short notice and it brought 30000 fans to the spring game and energized a dejected fan base. I think he gets trashed alot for one of his best qualities.
No, I'm thinking more along the lines of his making assistant coaches do windsprints and stuff.
Prince was obviously just concerned about their health. Just try to tell me these fatasses don't look like they could use some exercise:
(http://www.nmnathletics.com.edgesuite.net/pics8/200/UF/UFVYYWIAOJINXOK.20060125220058.jpg)
(http://www.nmnathletics.com.edgesuite.net/pics26/200/WI/WILSJKJUZQMKCQP.20060125220023.jpg)
And this guy's going to have to trim down a bit if he wants to coach receivers:
(http://www.nmnathletics.com.edgesuite.net/pics5/200/TX/TXBCTGGMWUBVGYZ.20070129193158.jpg)
Hell I'd make him run just for having been associated with an instutition named after a midwestern truckstop greasy spoon favorite. :blank: (Some things should just be dropped from one's resume eventually).
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FTR, recruiting WAS mediocre, actually at first it seemed horrible, but we really did get some talent (in a non-gopowertard way).
Yeah, at first it seemed like Prince would never be able to land a top 25 class, then things really turned around.