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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: catsfan20012002 on February 10, 2007, 11:36:50 AM
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If the Cats can get a win, and I think we all think they will, look to the Texas A&M vs. Nebraska and Kansas vs. Missouri games. If Nebraska and Missouri can pull off wins (a Missouri win is more likely) the Cats will be tied with ku for 2nd and just barely behind A&M for First Place. Man it's a shame we lost that A&M game. :banghead:
Quick question.....I know if you play a team once and tie with them it's the head to head result that is the tiebreaker but what happens if it's the Cats and Chickenhawks and we've split our games. What is the tiebreaker?
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If the Cats can get a win, and I think we all think they will, look to the Texas A&M vs. Nebraska and Kansas vs. Missouri games. If Nebraska and Missouri can pull off wins (a Missouri win is more likely) the Cats will be tied with ku for 2nd and just barely behind A&M for First Place. Man it's a shame we lost that A&M game. :banghead:
Quick question.....I know if you play a team once and tie with them it's the head to head result that is the tiebreaker but what happens if it's the Cats and Chickenhawks and we've split our games. What is the tiebreaker?
Then they look to record against North teams. Then it is record against like next best north team or something and then it is a draw. So basically if us and ku win out except ku loses to us they draw a name out of a cup.
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Yikes!!!!! :eek:
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Actually I'm pretty sure they go off of the point spread. Like since ku beat K-State by 27, we would have to beat them by 28 at home in order to win the tie breaker.
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Nothing about point spread. Link to Big 12 Tiebreaker rules. (http://www.big12sports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/111605aab.html)
Tiebreakers - The first criteria in the breaking of ties in the standings shall be head-to-head competition of tied teams. The following procedure will be used to establish the championship seeds if ties exist. (For tiebreaking procedures teams will be grouped in two divisions based upon established guidelines. Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri and Nebraska are in one division and Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech are in the other division.)
(a) If two teams are tied and they are from different divisions, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the higher seed.
(b) If two teams are tied and they are from the same division, the team with an advantage in head-to-head competition shall be the higher seed.
(c) If two teams remain tied, there will be a comparison of overall record against division teams only (10 divisional games).
(d) If two teams remain tied, there will be a comparison of record against the highest ranked team(s) (based upon Conference winning percentage) in the division and proceeding through in order of divisional record.
(e) If two teams remain tied, there will be a *comparison of record against the highest ranked team(s) (based upon Conference winning percentage) in the opposite division and proceeding through in order of divisional record.
(f) If two teams remain tied, the higher seed will be chosen by draw.
(g) If three or more teams are tied, ties among divisional opponents will be broken first by using steps (b) through (f) and the head-to-head results will be used to break ties between non-divisional teams. When three or more teams from the same division are tied step (b) will consist of a mini- round robin among the tied teams. At any point during the process of breaking ties among three or more teams that the number of tied teams are reduced to two, head-to-head competition would be used as the primary tie-breaker, followed-by steps (c) through (f).
Note: When comparing against the "highest ranked team(s)" in either division, the comparison will be based upon how tied teams did against all teams in a given placement, rather than a team that wins a tiebreaker at another position. For example, if two teams are tied for fifth and two teams are tied for first, the head-to-head comparison would be how the fifth place teams did against the first place teams combined, and vice-versa.
Draw - In the event tiebreaking procedures are unsuccessful and a draw is necessary in determining seeding, the following procedure will be used:
(a) The drawing will be conducted in public or with media attendance
(b) Institutions involved in the drawing have the right to have a local representative in attendance at the drawing
(c) A single slip of paper with names representing each of the tied institutions will be placed into a container and will be drawn in order of seeding from highest (#1) to lowest (#12)
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no they don't. They will draw a piece of paper out of a hat. Waks is right.
EDIT: Fan too quick on the trigger.
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Looks like we're gonna hold our #3 position in the Big XII!!!!!
:ksu:
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We have a great shot at finishing alone in 3rd place. UT's remaining schedule:
02-12 Oklahoma St.
02-17 at Baylor
02-20 Texas Tech
02-24 at Oklahoma
02-28 Texas A&M
03-03 at Kansas
They're *going* to lose a couple of those and 3 or 4 isn't out of the question.
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We have a great shot at finishing alone in 3rd place. UT's remaining schedule:
02-12 Oklahoma St.
02-17 at Baylor
02-20 Texas Tech
02-24 at Oklahoma
02-28 Texas A&M
03-03 at Kansas
They're *going* to lose a couple of those and 3 or 4 isn't out of the question.
@Nebraska is our season. It's massive.
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Great call fatty. Huge game. I'll be in Lincoln for this one and I'm nervous already.
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I don't see UT losing more than 2.
I don't see us winning @OSU or vs. KSU.
Fatty is right.
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i think we win at osu.
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UT loses @ku and there are four other games where the opposition will have a legitimate shot (at least as good a chance as we had in Austin) to win.
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agree with azcat. ut doesn´t defend well enough to win all of those (non ku/a&m) games. they´ll drop at least 1. probably to ou.
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agree with azcat. ut doesn´t defend well enough to win all of those (non ku/a&m) games. they´ll drop at least 1. probably to ou.
What UT does is irrelevant. A loss to NU puts us diagonally back on the bubble.
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Loss at NU = ku in Manhattan a must win. We don't need that.
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1 of 3 vs ou/osu/nu = bubble
2 of 3 = safe
i don´t think nu is any easier than the other 2.
i am assuming a ku loss. a ku win and ksu is ok with just winning the isu/cu games.
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Fatty has mentally conceded the wins to ku & OSU, personally I'm not yet convinced that we're going to lose both of those.
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1 of 3 vs ou/osu/nu = bubble
2 of 3 = safe
i don´t think nu is any easier than the other 2.
i am assuming a ku loss. a ku win and ksu is ok with just winning the isu/cu games.
I'd like to go into OU/OSU "needing" only 1. I'm assuming a ku loss right now also.
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What UT does is irrelevant. A loss to NU puts us diagonally back on the bubble.
i just noticed... diagonally?
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[@Nebraska is our season. It's massive.
1,000,000% agree. And judging by the way we played (even though it was CU and even though we won by 19), we have a lot of work to do in a couple of days.
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The funny thing is, CU might be harder to match-up with in some ways b/c of their athletes. Then again, its hard to tell b/c they don't play real hard. NU is pretty simple; limit Maric and guard the 3 point line. Plus, after this loss (likely) tonight, they won't exactly have an intimidating crowd on a tuesday night.
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Fatty has mentally conceded the wins to ku & OSU, personally I'm not yet convinced that we're going to lose both of those.
Well, on the flipside a 3 game winning streak (which means W's over NU, ISU and ku) may just get us a share of the conference title.
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Plus, after this loss (likely) tonight, they won't exactly have an intimidating crowd on a tuesday night.
they´ve been hanging around all night. they should be able to close on a little run and get a nice close loss uplift from tonight´s game.
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Plus, after this loss (likely) tonight, they won't exactly have an intimidating crowd on a tuesday night.
they´ve been hanging around all night. they should be able to close on a little run and get a nice close loss uplift from tonight´s game.
It'll be empty. At least if you look at if from a diagonal point of view.
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Plus, after this loss (likely) tonight, they won't exactly have an intimidating crowd on a tuesday night.
they´ve been hanging around all night. they should be able to close on a little run and get a nice close loss uplift from tonight´s game.
Good, maybe they'll be fat and happy. :)
We're due to hit some shots after the last two. Lance is due to go 4-6 from 3 or something like that.
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The funny thing is, CU might be harder to match-up with in some ways b/c of their athletes. Then again, its hard to tell b/c they don't play real hard. NU is pretty simple; limit Maric and guard the 3 point line. Plus, after this loss (likely) tonight, they won't exactly have an intimidating crowd on a tuesday night.
If you look at the stat line from the last meeting, we shot 20 more FT's (attributing to 21 more points off FT's) and Maric scored 10....I don't think either of those will hold true again this time around. It'll be interesting to see how we come out and play and how the game is called.
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it doesn´t look like nu is going to close after all. fouling and falling father behind now.
the good thing about playing nu is that ksu can shoot 35% and win against them. they just need to play harder than nu, which isn´t always easy.
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It'll be empty. At least if you look at if from a diagonal point of view.
are you byron eaton?
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The funny thing is, CU might be harder to match-up with in some ways b/c of their athletes. Then again, its hard to tell b/c they don't play real hard. NU is pretty simple; limit Maric and guard the 3 point line. Plus, after this loss (likely) tonight, they won't exactly have an intimidating crowd on a tuesday night.
If you look at the stat line from the last meeting, we shot 20 more FT's (attributing to 21 more points off FT's) and Maric scored 10....I don't think either of those will hold true again this time around. It'll be interesting to see how we come out and play and how the game is called.
And we shot 33%. If we do that again, we lose. I think we'll get to the FT line again, but won't hold Maric to 10. We also didn't take advantage on the boards like we should be capable of vs NU. And if they hold Cartier to 10 points again I'll be shocked.
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@Nebraska is our season. It's massive.
Says it all. A must win.