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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: michigancat on February 07, 2007, 10:59:42 PM
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I don't think there's any doubt.
We were absolutely schooled defensively.
Props to the Rug.
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1. HUGS never gets outcoached.
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It appeared to me that Hairpiece just got out tape from Roy's old teams and told his boys "Run, run, RUN!."
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I don't get the idea that this one had anything to do with coaching...
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Well, his gameplan didn't work, so yeah. Self got his guys going and they were able to be a balanced team. When they hit some outside shots early I was concerned. Then they got going off the bounce and got shots at the rim. Then it just snowballed. Our only hope was to hit a bunch of outside shots and 4-22 obviously says it all there. We were going to have to keep this game in the 70s or 60s and didn't even come close.
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I don't think there's any doubt.
We were absolutely schooled defensively.
Props to the Rug.
It's called 9 RSCI top 100 players and 5 top 20 playes vs 2 top 100's and 0 top 20's.
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Who's our second top 100?
Still, they were out-executing, not out-talenting us.
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We got schooled.
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I don't think there's any doubt.
We were absolutely schooled defensively.
Props to the Rug.
It's called 9 RSCI top 100 players and 5 top 20 playes vs 2 top 100's and 0 top 20's.
Yep, it's more a case of Wooldridge getting out-recruited more than Hugs getting out-coached.
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not as bad as andersonīs 2nd game i think. anderson destoyed huggins on the picks.
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Rusty. We have some weak Wooldridge players.
These guys aren't the athletes like ku has.
When ku gets nailed at home by A&M and then looks for revenge, we are helpless.
They played their speed game and hit big shots. They didn't against A&M. We needed to play them two weeks ago. :flush:
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Sorry, I don't buy the fact that Wright, Hoskins, Harris, etc. are so lacking in talent that they can't hold ku to under 55 freaking percent from the field.
They were out of position defensively the ENTIRE GAME.
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A few good things can come from this.. They could blow us off when we play them in Bramlage and that could work to our advantage. I would rather have the W at home obviously, than away. This will also bring our guys back down to Earth. My predictions for the rest of the season are..
CU - W
@ CU - W
ku - L
@ NU - W
OU - L
ISU - W
@ OSU - L
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hoskins = undersized..picked up fouls..and to rely on a new 3 point game.
everyone else = scared. slow. scared.
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Sorry, I don't buy the fact that Wright, Hoskins, Harris, etc. are so lacking in talent that they can't hold ku to under 55 freaking percent from the field.
They were out of position defensively the ENTIRE GAME.
Notice one of the first things Huggs said; "when they hit shots they are hard to guard". ku hit shots early and that opened up our defense and we had to spread out. When we spread, we were out of position to help, we had to over rotate, and they had guys open. ku executed very well early and it just kept carrying over when we couldn't hit any shots. It snowballed, then we had guys mail it in. It was pretty simple; ku being good then our guys not handling it. Some of that is coaching, but I'm not sure how much.
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ku being good then our guys not handling it.
Which goes back to what we were talking about in the Maybank thread. Too many of our Wooly ballers have the lay down and die mentality when the going gets tough.
Tough thought process to break out of.
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What did ku really do that was coaching related? They hit open shots, their guard penetrated the lane, and they rebounded. It's not like Huggins left his worst free throw shooter in the game in the final seconds.....
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ku being good then our guys not handling it.
Which goes back to what we were talking about in the Maybank thread. Too many of our Wooly ballers have the lay down and die mentality when the going gets tough.
Tough thought process to break out of.
Again, let's not overreact here. Going got plenty tough vs UT, MU, and even Baylor but we didn't cave. Against a team much more talented than us, yeah, we did. However, I don't expect it to happen to anyone else left on our schedule, except ku in Manhattan. This team has not shown a propensity for folding in the last month and I'm going to expect tonight to be the exception. They might prove me wrong, but we've shown to be plenty tough the past two weeks and this game doesn't override all of that yet. Let's see how we respond before we paint this team with a broad brush.
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What did ku really do that was coaching related? They hit open shots, their guard penetrated the lane, and they rebounded. It's not like Huggins left his worst free throw shooter in the game in the final seconds.....
they pretty consistently moved the ball towards the basket to engage the help, then had the guy whose man helped cut to the basket. ksu never managed to rotate over and pick up that cutter. they also did a good job of setting off ball screens to pick up help trying to get out to the perimeter on jump shots.
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What did ku really do that was coaching related? They hit open shots, their guard penetrated the lane, and they rebounded. It's not like Huggins left his worst free throw shooter in the game in the final seconds.....
they pretty consistently moved the ball towards the basket to engage the help, then had the guy whose man helped cut to the basket. ksu never managed to rotate over and pick up that cutter. they also did a good job of setting off ball screens to pick up help trying to get out to the perimeter on jump shots.
They pretty much did what everyone else has been trying to do to us, only they have more talent, collectively, than anyone we've played in the past 7 games and it showed. The only disparity that I was really taken back by was the rebounding, but that's what happens when you're getting beat to spots which causes the defense to be out of position to rebound.
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without a doubt he got outcoached. It won't happen often the next few years. ku played great.
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Zone wasn't going to work tonight like it did for niceguy-neckbrace.
They hit shots. Collins was too fast. :flush:
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They pretty much did what everyone else has been trying to do to us, only they have more talent, collectively, than anyone we've played in the past 7 games and it showed. The only disparity that I was really taken back by was the rebounding, but that's what happens when you're getting beat to spots which causes the defense to be out of position to rebound.
ut wasnīt doing anything similar. canīt remember games older than that.
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Collins is good.
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CU - W
@ CU - W
ku - L
@ NU - W
OU - L
ISU - W
@ OSU - L
There's the glass half empty prediction but we could very easily go 6-1 in the last 7.
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They pretty much did what everyone else has been trying to do to us, only they have more talent, collectively, than anyone we've played in the past 7 games and it showed. The only disparity that I was really taken back by was the rebounding, but that's what happens when you're getting beat to spots which causes the defense to be out of position to rebound.
ut wasnīt doing anything similar. canīt remember games older than that.
ku has really quick guards and they were a balanced team tonight. They hit outside shots, they got inside our defense off the dribble, and their bigs got seperation and lay-ups/dunks. When ku is that balanced they are good. We just didn't have what it took to guard them. When we went zone we were able to slow the game down for a while, but we weren't going to ride that to a win tonight.
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I would say its more like his players got outplayed more than he got outcoached.
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I have never seen interior passing as good as ku's tonight. Wow. They are talented. Please go to the league...all of you. Except the ginger.
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If you want to call putting a bunch of girl scouts on the court then YES
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Hitting 56% from the field, is called being on fire. Being Taller man for man at almost every position and outrebounding the other team 2-1 isn't good coaching, it's what's supposed to happen.
They were on fire, and played their "A" game which in reality is at least 30 points better if we don't bring ours. WE missed every open shot.
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We simply caught ku at the wrong time. When Rush is hitting and Wright remembers that he's athletic as hell, you have to pick your poison.
Go zone -> invite a Rush bombing raid.
Go man -> invite a Wright raping in the paint.
Now I agree that we didn't even execute our D last night regardless, but what could Hugs have done from the sideline that he didn't try?
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Now I agree that we didn't even execute our D last night regardless, but what could Hugs have done from the sideline that he didn't try?
I think that this is the key point.
Maybe Huggs got outcoached, maybe he didn't, but what did it matter?
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The Hoskins-Julian Wright match-up KILLED us Hoskins plays better against defenders like Maric/Kaun etc. slow white guys that he can isolate and draw fouls on. Julian was fast/long enough to kill all that and Hoskins doesn't play defense and was totally overmatched. PLUS ku's swipe at anything that moves defense really messed up his dribble-penetrate effect. He did hit two threes, so I guess we should be loving that. His free-throw shooting while irrelevant, was poor.
The Martin-Rush matchup KILLED us No excuses. This was awful. Rush shut Martin down, completely. Rush also hit every open look he got.
Bennet/Colon/Martin/Hoskins vs. Darnell Jackson, Sasha Kaun, Darrell Arthur and Julian Wright
26 points on 6-18 shooting 9 boards 35 points on 19-29 shooting 28 boards
Jermaine Maybank and Blake Young combined for 34 points and 9 rebounds.
Akeem Wright: 0 rebounds, 10 minutes.
In this game we needed Bennett to stay out of foul trouble and control the lane, forcing ku to hit jump shots, Akeem Wright to play lockdown D on Wright/Rush and for Martin to have a good game shooting and hitting the offensive boards with Hoskins drawing some fouls of dribble penetration.
None of it happened and the game was over almost as soon as it started. Huggins has shown an ability to get this team to play above their heads for stretches, the key is to not get their heads to follow their play skyward like what happened on this last win streak. Hopefully this works out because we can't afford to lose these next two extremely winnable games.
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Cartier's problem is he's so used to having an offense that does everything it can to get him a ball, he can't function in an offense that demands you use athletic prowess and ability to get the ball, particularly against a more talented team like ku.
However, someone needs to tell Huggs you can't have a bunch of guys just standing around against teams like ku, the offense most assuredly needs more motions, but that's also driven by having better guards as well.
Cartier sucked last night, it's like he decided to just go passive. Ganja train??
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Some of those points by ku(fastbreak,transition) were created because we didn't make shots - open shots.
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Cartier was bad the first half, but rebounded for a better 2nd half. He attacked much better in the 2nd and made 8 trips to the FT line. Granted, he couldn't hit a jump shot and we needed him in the 1st half, but he competed in the 2nd.
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Cartier was soft in the first half, as was Akeem. Stewart was very unsure of himself. Harris missed an early shot or two and disappeared as he can easily do when he doesn't make an early 3 pointer. Hoskins did a little but, as evidenced by sitting the second half, Huggins was not pleased with how he competed. Bottom line, only Maybank attacked with aggression and played like he was unafraid and willing to challenge ku. I take that back, Blake Young also played that way.
Huggins is saying all the "look at how great they are" comments to the media. Behind closed doors, he is probably seething. Our D sucked, we got punished on the boards, and we were tentative on offense. All characteristics of earlier this year and characteristics that Huggins will not tolerate. If we don't come out and attack them hard in The Fred, I'll be very surprised. Huggins has too much resolve to allow us to do any different.
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ku's ability to come out in the 1st and 2nd half of nearly EVERY game hitting 60-70% of their shots is just baffling to me...
KSU needed just a FEW buckets to keep things from snowballing last night....and couldn't get them.
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Luckily Jermaine Maybank put up 26 points, or this game wouldn't have been within 40.
Oh, and yes, tHuggins was outcoached.
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thuggins is a good nickname....did you come up with that?
honest question.
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Luckily Brandon Rush came up with 18 points or this game would have been closer.
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Luckily Jermaine Maybank put up 26 points, or this game wouldn't have been within 40.
Oh, and yes, tHuggins was outcoached.
Crazy how that happens when a team of pretty much nobodies is playing a team of McD AA's who are trying to avoid falling further back in the conference race.
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Luckily Jermaine Maybank put up 26 points, or this game wouldn't have been within 40.
Oh, and yes, tHuggins was outcoached.
If anyone can recognize a coach getting outcoached, it'd be a ku fan. They experience it in March.