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KSU's next game is on Wednesday, Jan 31 against Missouri Tigers (13 - 6) in Manhattan, Ks. Game start time is 8:00 PM (CST). Media coverage is ESPN Plus/ESPNU (TV), yahoo radio link with game channel (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/scoreboard?d=2007-01-31&refresh=30&c=big12), and 1350kman (Manhattan, KS) radio link. (http://www.1350kman.com/listen.shtml)
KSU Overall (15 - 6), Big 12 (4 - 2), Wildcats official athletic website. (http://www.k-statesports.com/)
MU Overall (13 - 6), Big 12 (2 - 4), MU official athletic website. (http://mutigers.cstv.com/)
MU Team Stats (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/teamstats?teamId=142)
MU Schedule/Results (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/teamsched?teamId=142)
RPI, SOS, and Rankings (as of 01/26/07)Source MU KSU
RealTime
RPI 83 56
SOS 73 97
Rankings 63 64
Sargin
Ratings 71 49
Pomeroy
RPI 83 57
SOS 73 97
Ratings 56 61
CBS Sportline
RPI 88 59
SOS 68 109
Mike Greenfield's
RPI 80 54
SOS 69 126
Rankings 80 54
Foxsports Head-to-Head Comparison (http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/headToHeadTeamResults?statsId1=367&statsId2=288&)
Missouri BB Message Board (http://mb20.scout.com/fmissourifansfrm5)
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A few reasons we should beat MU:
Clent Stewart(had a big game vs MU last time, I don't think it was a fluke, I think he plays well against Anderson's style)
HUGE rebounding advantage
Akeem Wright vs Stephon Hannah
Momentum
My 02.
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IMO this might be a tougher game than the NU game. MU is coming with confidence after beating Tech and getting a "road win" at Colorado. Brown, Hannah, and Horton playing well. If we can get a decent crowd it will be a big help against them though. Should be a fun one to watch. There are chances for snow wednesday, I hope that doesn't happen and keep a good crowd away.
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"Wildcars" are winning... whoever they are. ;)
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we've done relatively well against the press. I think we'll do well again.
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I agree that we've done well against pressure. Usually people talk about our length helping us guard (as our 3 PT defense shows) but it also helps us see/pass over a press. We've done a great job attacking pressure and getting easy buckets.
I am a little more concerned about this one b/c with MU's style you never know what might happen. If you get a night the officials let MU get away with a few more reaches and shoves, you could be in trouble. Horton, Hannah, and Brown are all playing well.
However, just like NU, this is the type of game Huggs was brought here to win THIS year. A fellow north team, that we've already beat at their place, and with more holes in their line-up than we have. That said, we need our scorers (Martin, Hoskins, and Harris) to get going again. All three struggled wednesday, and it was a bit surprising b/c both Harris and Martin got off to fairly good starts, then went cold. We've got to have at least 2 of those guys with 15+ wednesday.
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Keys to the game:
1) Akeem shuts down Hannah again.
2) Our "D" takes it to MU again and our fans rub it in
3) We have an average night on offense
Wild Cards:
How will the freshman, Colon and JB play against Grimes, Lyons, etc? Not much of a factor in the first game, that may need to change after watching the TT game vs MU.
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A few reasons we should beat MU:
Clent Stewart(had a big game vs MU last time, I don't think it was a fluke, I think he plays well against Anderson's style)
HUGE rebounding advantage
Akeem Wright vs Stephon Hannah
Momentum
My 02.
Apparently a "big game" for our "best point guard" includes a 1-6 assist to turnover ratio.
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...and 19 points.
Though he did mention the turnovers, the guy that was pretty pleased with Clent's play in Columbia was the coach.
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...and 19 points.
Though he did mention the turnovers, the guy that was pretty pleased with Clent's play in Columbia was the coach.
The 19 points would've been much better if he hadn't handled the ball in the back court. The claim that he "plays well against Anderson's style" is just false based on the evidence.
Clent Stewart will consistently hit open three pointers and some jumpers. That is his main skill. I have yet to see the rule that says he must do this from the pg position. The fact that Hoskins had to start bringing up the ball and then handing it over to Clent so that we weren't turning it over before even running a little offense tells you everything you need to know.
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I think you're over playing the "Hoskins bringing the ball up the court" angle. Yeah, it happened a few times, but the reason was MU was denying Stewart the ball. The way we break pressure is by having our PG bring the ball in and Hoskins as the primary target. Hoskins is great at using his size to get open and is our best passer, but sometimes the defense will take away getting the ball back to the PG. However, that doesn't mean he's the guy we want initiating our offense, once in a while its fine for he or Akeem or Lance to bring it up, but the initiator of our offense is always going to be the PG. Those guys being the primary ball handler would be disaster in the long run. I'll acknowledge Stewart had some silly TOs in that game, but frankly outside 1 or 2 those were mainly on our side of the floor when he was trying to force a few things, but overall he was effective as the PG.
Stewart isn't Steve Nash and he isn't going to make a bunch of no look passes and have a ton of assists, but he's great at getting the team into offense and has been our our best guard in letting the game come to him and playing within his abilities, though Young has been playing better lately. The fact that Stew is showing confidence in his shot lately and is able to be more consistent than Young or Maybank is the reason why he's our #1 option at PG and will likley continue to be the rest of this season and probably next.
And with Stewart being a JR, I hardly think Huggs is pumping him up like he has lately. Certainly our HC bellieves in Stewart much more than many of our fans.
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I agree that 6 to's is way too many, but he did pretty well bringing the ball up the court as we did not have may to's in the backcourt. Most of the to's Clent had were in the half court set forcing a pass he should not have. He wasn't the only one guilty of that as we had several to's in the MU game from forcing passes and telegraphing what we were going to do.
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Isn't Stew a junior?
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Obviously it will be more difficult the second time around, even at home. The things that happened the first time around (mainly Hannah getting in foul trouble and having a bad game and us going to the line about a thousand times) probably won’t happen again. I think they are going to throw bodies at Hoskins just like NU did and if the refs are letting some contact go on Hoskins’ drives (like NU) then it’s gong to be tough. Blake Young has played more under control the past few games, so hopefully that will translate to the MU game. I don’t think we’ll see much of JB or the Puncher/Pouter.
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Isn't Stew a junior?
Yeah, typo fixed.
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KK hates Stew. LOL. I'm happy with how Stew has been playing and his contribution on the floor this season, that's all that really matters.
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I don't think it matters who they throw at Hoskins. He'll take the bump, score and show the guns.
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I'm not sure what "running the offense" means to anyone else. But I think that the numbers show that Clent is very competent at one thing hitting wide-open 3-pointers. Everything else is a struggle for him, yet he continues to play the point and in-bound the ball.
In conference play here is what he has done:
A&M--- 2-4 3 pointers, 10 points with 2 assists with 1 to
T-Tech---- 0-2 3 pointers (7 points) with 4 assists and 5 turnovers
Missouri----- 2-3 3 pointers, 7-8 FT, 19 points, 1 assist and 6 turnovers
Baylor----- 2-4 3 pointers, 2 assists and 0 turnovers
Iowa St.----- 0-2 3 pointers, 0 assists and 2 turnovers
Nebraska------ 3-5 3 pointers, 3 assists and 0 turnovers
He's 9-20 from 3 (45%) and has 12 assists 14 turnovers. I think my claim fits a little better with the data. We'll see how many assists/turnovers/points Clent has on Wednesday, then against the Big 4 and on the road @ Nebraska.
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The problem is his assist numbers are way low and he had two games with 5+ TOs. Again, he's not your John Stockton-type PG, but for what he's asked to do, he's doing fine.
If you look at Huggins' teams over time, he did not often have one guy who averaged 5+ assists per game, but he usually has several around 3 to 4 assists per game. This team isn't quite there yet, but its approaching those numbers. Clent struggled vs Tech and ISU and he had too many TOs in Columbia, but other than that he is doing exactly what he's asked to do; play solid defense, make open shots, and get the offense intiated, especially getting it to Hoskins or Martin at the high post. By and large, Huggins has been pleased with his play, and that's enough of a measuring stick to me. Simply put, he's the best PG we have right now, and will likely continue to be while being spelled/sharing time with Young and Maybank.
We all knew going in we didn't have the best passing or ballhandling team in the world, but Huggins has maximized those things with this team and we have enough to win plenty of Big 12 games. Our main issue in the game we should've won was shooting 30% and not hitting open shots (vs Tech), not TOs and lack of PG play. The aTm game came down to not making plays as well, but the ball was in Young's hands more than Stewarts, and frankly it wasn't a game any of us expected to win.
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so its "Solid D" now? Who played defense on Jarrius Jackson (23 points), Horton (13 points), Baylor backcourt combined for 28 points, Iowa St.'s Mike Taylor had 21, Nebraska was a solid effort all-around.
I don't know if Clent played against all these guys but I am pretty sure he played against Jackson/Horton/15 points of Baylor (think Bruce was guarded by others).
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You obviously know more about coaching and what a player brings to the floor than Huggins does, my question is, why the hell Weiser went with the easy hire instead of going out on a limb with an unproven Kat Kid?
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You obviously know more about coaching and what a player brings to the floor than Huggins does, my question is, why the hell Weiser went with the easy hire instead of going out on a limb with an unproven Kat Kid?
Huggins has to treat Clent with kid gloves because he faces the prospect of throwing Blake Young and Maybank out there for 30 minutes if Clent melts down.
I don't understand why everyone on here is so adverse to looking at statistics and making judgments about players and more comfortable with casually watching a game and making statements about a player's abilities. But you're right I trust Huggins and we're winning. I just think it is in spite of Clent playing the point not because of it.
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so its "Solid D" now? Who played defense on Jarrius Jackson (23 points), Horton (13 points), Baylor backcourt combined for 28 points, Iowa St.'s Mike Taylor had 21, Nebraska was a solid effort all-around.
I don't know if Clent played against all these guys but I am pretty sure he played against Jackson/Horton/15 points of Baylor (think Bruce was guarded by others).
Who else do you want at PG? Young? Maybank? Clent passes the ball into a turnover, Young dribbles it into a turnover and Maybank can't dribble or pass. It's not like we've got Steve Nash sitting on our bench. Clent, atleast in conference, has offered some offensive production. And there is a marginal difference in their defensive abilities.
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That's just it, it's not what Stew does on the floor that keeps him on it, but what he doesn't do.
Right now, he's the best option Huggins has and that's going to have to be good enough.
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so its "Solid D" now? Who played defense on Jarrius Jackson (23 points), Horton (13 points), Baylor backcourt combined for 28 points, Iowa St.'s Mike Taylor had 21, Nebraska was a solid effort all-around.
I don't know if Clent played against all these guys but I am pretty sure he played against Jackson/Horton/15 points of Baylor (think Bruce was guarded by others).
Go ahead and email Huggins and tell him he's an idiot then. Many of the things I say about Clent are recycled from Huggins. Its Huggins who says he's become a solid defender and improved as much as anyone on this team on that end of the floor. Its Huggins who says when he has played well in Big 12 games outside the ISU game. Its Huggins who says he's the hardest working player on the team who knows most about our opponent going into games. Clent is playing 30+ minutes per game lately b/c Huggins keeps throwing him in there, there has to be some reason for that.
There is plenty in Clent's game that isn't where it needs to be; he needs to be getting more assists and avoid any TOs that lead to points for the other team. But there has to be a reason other than "he's the only one we got" as for why he's playing more minutes at PG than anyone else. He's doing more than just hitting open 3s.
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It's not like we've got Steve Nash sitting on our bench.
MysTrans??
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I'm not necessarily advocating an alternative (although I think that a two-guard tandem with stewart and blake or more ball handling for hoskins might help) I'm just saying that it is insane to claim that Clent is doing much of anything well besides hitting open threes. I want him on the floor to do that, just like I want hoskins on the floor to score (despite his and O inconsistency) like I want Cartier on the floor to shoot, like I want Bennett on the floor to guard the lane, like I want Akeem on the floor to guard their best offensive guard/wingman and rebound and like I want Lance to come on and hit some threes. We have a ton of players that are good at one small specific thing, the key is making line-ups and rotations that have enough scoring/defensive/ball-handling etc. balance to allow us to win.
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If all Clent did was hit open 3s, he wouldn't be playing and I don't think we are winning in spite of his play. And I don't see Huggins treating him with kid gloves at all, I don't know that he treats anyone on this team with kid gloves.
I do agree that each player is accepting their roles and they have to b/c we have plenty of weaknesses. I'm not pushing Stew for All-Big 12 or anything b/c he's not near at that level, I just don't think he's as bad as you are saying.
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so its "Solid D" now? Who played defense on Jarrius Jackson (23 points), Horton (13 points), Baylor backcourt combined for 28 points, Iowa St.'s Mike Taylor had 21, Nebraska was a solid effort all-around.
I don't know if Clent played against all these guys but I am pretty sure he played against Jackson/Horton/15 points of Baylor (think Bruce was guarded by others).
Go ahead and email Huggins and tell him he's an idiot then. Many of the things I say about Clent are recycled from Huggins. Its Huggins who says he's become a solid defender and improved as much as anyone on this team on that end of the floor. Its Huggins who says when he has played well in Big 12 games outside the ISU game. Its Huggins who says he's the hardest working player on the team who knows most about our opponent going into games. Clent is playing 30+ minutes per game lately b/c Huggins keeps throwing him in there, there has to be some reason for that.
There is plenty in Clent's game that isn't where it needs to be; he needs to be getting more assists and avoid any TOs that lead to points for the other team. But there has to be a reason other than "he's the only one we got" as for why he's playing more minutes at PG than anyone else. He's doing more than just hitting open 3s.
That is an incredibly weak take ksu_fan. Don't hide behind Huggins' skirt. Say what you think and give examples. So far I've listed tons of statistics as evidence to buttress my claims, everyone else is just like "whatever, OMG!" Clent may well be the best we have (not saying much) but I'm not convinced that we've tried everything possible to reign in his turnovers and improve our perimeter defense (something Young can do), we'll see what happens as play progresses, but right now the returns are much as I've called them if we rely on stats as opposed to people's perceptions.
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If all Clent did was hit open 3s, he wouldn't be playing and I don't think we are winning in spite of his play. And I don't see Huggins treating him with kid gloves at all, I don't know that he treats anyone on this team with kid gloves.
I do agree that each player is accepting their roles and they have to b/c we have plenty of weaknesses. I'm not pushing Stew for All-Big 12 or anything b/c he's not near at that level, I just don't think he's as bad as you are saying.
If Huggins doesn't treat anyone with kid gloves then why does Colon keep starting. He must be the worst attitude on the team and he's a below average rebounder, why not "set an example of him?" Maybe it is because Huggins wants to give him incentives and keep in on track and working? Just guessing here.
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The biggest thing against the press is to have a supporting cast along with the guards that can handle the ball as well, and compotently throw over the top of the press.
It's also just about playing smart, stepping through double teams, and avoiding the corners.
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I've read the thread and don't see what alternatives you are suggesting instead of starting Stew at the PG spot.
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And I don't see Huggins treating him with kid gloves at all, I don't know that he treats anyone on this team with kid gloves.
The mere notion that Huggins handles anyone with "kid gloves" is possibly one of the most ridiculous things ever posted on this board.
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I've read the thread and don't see what alternatives you are suggesting instead of starting Stew at the PG spot.
I think KK is cool with that, as long as we don't suggest he does anything positive, other than shoot open threes.
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Fair enough, Rain Man* can nail open 3's all day.
*Stew's new nickname
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I don't see how relying on Huggins own comments is hiding behind his skirt. If he was some coach known for coach speak and cliche, perhaps, but that's simply not the case.
Stewart has plenty of intangibles. His assist numbers do need to be better, but he's doing what is asked of him. He prepares better than any player on this team and knows what to expect of any opponent. He is asked to bring the ball up the floor and initiate the offense far more than any other player, and he doesn't have a ton of TOs doing so. He is hitting shots, and even better he's attacking and getting the foul line. He's playing with confidence and his teammates and coaches trust him. Some of those things don't show up in the numbers, but if you've watched K-State basketball for any amount of time its something we haven't had since Larry Reid. Reid was a much better player, but Stewart has stepped up to the challenge and showing to be a capable Big 12 PG.
I have a feeling if anyone suggested to Huggins his team was winning in spite of Clent Stewart he would call them an idiot. That's a rediculous statement.
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And I don't see Huggins treating him with kid gloves at all, I don't know that he treats anyone on this team with kid gloves.
The mere notion that Huggins handles anyone with "kid gloves" is possibly one of the most ridiculous things ever posted on this board.
Thank you, it's quite possible "KK" is brain dead. Are you fatty's little brother?
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Are you fatty's little brother?
Good luck in medical school.
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Are you fatty's little brother?
Good luck in medical school.
Thanks.
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stewart having great intangibles is like your date having a good personality.
huggs likes him because he's a good kid that gives his all, he just sucks. and there's no option that is significantly better.
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He doesn't suck, please read above. Do you expect Jake Pullen to come in next year and dominate the Big XII? You should learn to like Rain Man.
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He doesn't suck, please read above. Do you expect Jake Pullen to come in next year and dominate the Big XII? You should learn to like Rain Man.
Yes. :koolaid:
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I was fortunate enough to see the victory in Columbia a couple of weeks back and predict a similar outcome on Wednesday night. Though MIZZOU has won a couple now, they still are not a fundamentally good basketball team. Our defensive pressure in Columbia forced them to look bad and play worse. Down by 10 at half, they found a couple of spurts in the second half to make it closer (one very bad missed dunk...) but we took them out of their game for most the afternoon. Throw in a rabid student section and the outcome can be much better in Manhattan. I'm thinking 12 -- 18 if we're shooting free throws the last two minutes of the game.
By the way, I'm looking for tickets to the game on Wednesday.... any tix out there?
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He doesn't suck, please read above. Do you expect Jake Pullen to come in next year and dominate the Big XII? You should learn to like Rain Man.
he's better than marcus hayes.
happy now?
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He doesn't suck, please read above. Do you expect Jake Pullen to come in next year and dominate the Big XII? You should learn to like Rain Man.
he's better than marcus hayes.
happy now?
DOUBLE WHAMMY!
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/rlj4794/woolyoftheyear.jpg)
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lol at this thread. especially kk with the statistics. great stuff.
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In conclusion: I believe in the scientific method while everyone else believes that they know better by ignoring any statistics in favor of trying to figure out how good Clent Stewart is through Huggins quotes.
So basically, I am like totally brilliant and way too smart for you dudes to understand.
Suck it losers!
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scientific method?
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I still don't understand what everyone's arguing.
Summary? KK?
:confused:
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I still don't understand what everyone's arguing.
Summary? KK?
:confused:
we're discussing the various degrees of stewart's sucking on the court.
here's the fact --- for all the bubble scenarios that have been tossed about on this board, a loss saturday and next week will roll around with everyone on here bemoaning a lost season with an outside shot at the nit.
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It all started when someone said Clent had a good game against Mizzou. Then I said he didn't. Then ksu_fan started defending him saying that he does more than just shoot threes and that he runs the offense well. Then I posted his 3pt and asst/TO ratio in conference play. Then it was "he defends well" then I posted the point totals of backcourts that we've played against. Then it was Huggins says he is playing well and if I don't like it I should complain to Huggins. Then I gave up.
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I guess "good" is kind of relative.
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I guess "good" is kind of relative.
And this thread, boiled down, is all about exploring that.
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Perhaps KK missed that Taylor and others scored many of their points after the game was "decided", or that Clent had very little to do with defending them.
I would say that if Huggs thinks he's playing ok...I'm good with it.
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i think kk's point was precisely that clent has had very little to do with guarding folks.
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I think KK's point was that Clent Stewart banged KK's girlfriend in the anal area and he harbors a deep resentment towards "Stew" for it.
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That 90% of the basketball threads on this board end up off topic? Someone open up a Clent/Blake Stewart/Young thread please.
By the way, either one of them will play well enough for us to beat MIZZOU.
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Perhaps KK missed that Taylor and others scored many of their points after the game was "decided", or that Clent had very little to do with defending them.
I would say that if Huggs thinks he's playing ok...I'm good with it.
I love how every time I post some sort of data someone has some great anecdotal evidence to discredit it with. Post when the points were scored or give me some evidence that clent wasn't guarding him. I'll happily admit I'm wrong when someone (Clent Stewart or otherwise) surfaces with some piece of evidence to combat what I've said.
Its much easier to take pot-shots at my numbers then to attempt to actually refute them, if you do so successfully then I'll stop my Clent hate-a-thon.
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Taylor, I believe, scored all his points in the last 10 minutes of the game, if not, I know it was in the 2nd half...
He was also guarded by Akeem most of the time, if I'm not mistaken...as were most of those you pointed out.
I'm not trying to "fight" you...I just don't get why you can't or won't take what Huggins says to heart...it's not like this is Prince-speak...if Huggs though Clent was suckin' balls, he'd say so.
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Its much easier to take pot-shots at my numbers then to attempt to actually refute them, if you do so successfully then I'll stop my Clent hate-a-thon.
i´d call you a pussy for that. except that i think you´re lying.
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This game might be cinched already for the Cats: Kevin Keitzman just said on air (paraphrase): "I really like what Mike Anderson is doing right now; he's doing a heckuva a job."
This comes on the heels of him making the exact same comment Greg McDermott just a couple days before KSU played them.
Done and done.
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KK, I appreciate your passion and opinion. I am no Clent Stewart lover...however, I have to say, the team does much better at getting into an offense when he is in the lineup than when Young or Maybank are in the lineup. In that sense, Stewart has become the glue. His defensive footwork has improved dramatically. He really sucked through the non-con at moving his feet and constantly watched quick guys blow right by him. However, he has improved alot in this area. His 3 pt shooting has been fairly good in conference. Look, he is no playmaker, as we would like a point to be, and he seldom sets up others, but, neither does Young or Maybank. I like what Maybank can do defensively because of his long arms and aggressiveness, and Young's quickness can cause problems, although I would like to see him show some solid footwork on D instead of just attack and try to recover. Right now, Stewart gives us the best chance to win because he gets the offense started, and can contribute when he is forced to on O and his confidence is improving to where he is starting to penetrate. His D is no longer the liability it once was. We are 9 deep right now, and Huggins juggles combinations throughout games trying to keep the D fresh and find combinations of talents to produce W's. It has worked against those we must beat so far...lets just hope that continues and their confidence improves to where they can get a W against those we don't think they can beat now.
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taylor was guarded by stewart/young combo. stewart fouled him a coupla times, as did young.
or you could have watched the game.
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How about this for a truce:
Clent did well enough vs. MU last time to not lose us the game, even though his assist & turnover stats sucked.
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clent is arguably the best option for pg this season at ksu.
he sucks in the absolute, but in the relative he's good enough.
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sometimes i think all of you (don´t mean to exclude myself, just easier that way) are idiots. yes, obviously stewart´s assist #s are going to be lower than most other "point guards" have. huggins has been pretty much running the offense through hoskins for at least the last 10 games. he is doing a decent job of playin his role, which has been to shoot.
and yes he turns the ball over too much. he always has. but not because he is a poor ball handler. he takes pretty good care of the ball. he just makes some bad decisions passing. which no doubt part of the reason huggins has our forwards key the offense.
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that's clent in a nutshell.
he's good at managing the offense, when hoskins is the one running it.
he's a good ball handler, when he's not making bad decisions with the ball.
he's a good shooter, when he's not guarded.
he's good on defense, except when the guy he is guarding scores.
he's a good rebounder, except when there are nine other guys on the court.
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Wow, I guess we could go back to having Frank Richards and Taybron...
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Wow, I guess we could go back to having Frank Richards and Taybron...
heh
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=336.0
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I think this all comes back to what was so well illustrated by Fats earlier...stats mean jacque schitt.
Clent's a winner.
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I think this all comes back to what was so well illustrated by Fats earlier...stats mean jacque schitt.
Clent's a winner.
Actually, fatty just left out an incredibly important stat. FAn pointed it out.
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"He played pretty well in the Missouri game, and that kinda got him going for us."
--Robert Huggins, on Clent Stewart, "The Bob Huggins Show," 1/29/07.
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I enjoy Kat Kid's vehement dislike of Stew/Rain Man. It sure is entertaining.
Thanks, KK.
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CStew's gotta slight stinger. been playing w/ for awhile. B-back 100% +/- 1 wks.
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Last year stew was pretty solid because he didn't cost us any games.
This year he is not costing us games and he's contributing solidly on the offensive end. More so than young or maybank.
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I think this all comes back to what was so well illustrated by Fats earlier...stats mean jacque schitt.
So dumb.
:banghead:
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What matters more? Stats.....or W's?
I'm convinced with Clent handling the ball at the end of the A&M game, we're 5-1.
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What matters more? Stats.....or W's?
I'm convinced with Clent handling the ball at the end of the A&M game, we're 5-1.
Nope.
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What matters more? Stats.....or W's?
I'm convinced with Clent handling the ball at the end of the A&M game, we're 5-1.
Nope.
I'm not so sure about that, but I'm confident without Clent's scoring vs MU and possibly NU we might be 2-4.
I understand that numbers are important, and KK has brought very good numbers to the discussion. I just don't think they always tell the whole story. Of course I (wrongly) made that arguement for quite some time defending Wooly, so I might as well shut up now. :)