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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: michigancat on January 25, 2007, 08:31:52 AM
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We sure do have a lot of people that don't like capitalism...at least when it comes to their precious basketball seats.
But what he really means is... "... People should be rewarded for their support starting right now. Regardless of how much money faithful K-State fans pumped into this crappy program for the past 10-15 years in order to purchase tickets and to pay the required donations associated with those tickets so that they could watch mediocre basketball, we will begin by rewarding those people who jumped on the bandwagon this year and bought tickets with no required donation."
I have no problem with required donations. It's the nature of the beast. But the way they have gone about this leaves a bit to be desired. They seem to be ignoring the people who gave a rat's @#%$ (along with the money required to purchase that rat's ass) about K-State basketball in the lean years. If you're going to price me out of my seat, don't make me wait in line to buy tickets behind someone who just came out of the woodwork to buy tickets this year.
Figure up the points per your own system, Tim, and start handing out priority numbers which will allow people to pick their seats/donation level in order. Calculate points over the past 5-10 years, if you have to. That way someone who has given $1000/yr for two season tickets the past 10 years isn't riding the pine behind someone who coughed up $1500 for two tickets this year. It can't be that difficult, and they have until next season to get it figured out. There has to be a way to honor giving and commitment over giving alone.
Don't get me wrong... if someone is going to come along and give $10,000 this year, they deserve some sweet seats. That's reality. But if I've put thousands of dollars into the K-State Athletic Dept/Men's Basketball program over the past 5-10 years, I'd expect a little preferential treatment over someone who is just now getting into the game (literally) at the same 2007 giving level as me.
Example: Let's just go as far back as the Wooldridge era (we'd all like to forget Asbury anyway)....
Fan A gave $1000/year plus the cost of two tickets (we'll say average price = $300 each over that time span for easy math) since Wooldridge's first year, 2000-01. That's a total of $7000 in donations, and $4200 in tickets. That's $11200 out of his pocket. Give him a point for each $1000 donated, and a point for each season ticket. He'd get 21 points.
Fan B jumped on the first bandwagon to Huggieville, ponied up $2000 for some vacant chairbacks, plus the cost of the tickets ($350/ea this year, IIRC). He'd get 4 points.
Does this seem totally ridiculous to expect? Anybody going to look Fan A in the eye and tell him that Fan B deserves a better deal than he does, just b/c he donated 2x as much in 2006-07? If so, that's a joke. :bs
In reality, Fan A isn't likely to cough up the money to displace Johnny-come-lately Fan B anyway, but it would be nice if Fan A had a shot at some good seats in a section that required less of a donation. But instead, he's going to be given lower priority than Fan C... who bought tickets on the baseline for no required donation this year and will have first rights to his seats as a current ticket-holder.
Just my opinion, which granted... means very little. Sorry for the rant/soapbox/long post...:ksu2
edit: On a positive note, I'm always for more limestone... :fing
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There really isn't a bad seat in Bramlage.
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No kidding it cracks me up when I hear people talking about having "great" basketball seats. Every one of those seats is closer to the action than any one place at Arrowhead or BSFS.
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There is no way to put PSLs in effect to make everyone happy. At least they announced it in advance so people can prepare. I think the way we set it up though most people will end up okay. Some folks may move slightly one way or the other, but I doubt there are a ton of people who end up without any seats at all. This is the reality of modern college sports and if we want a winner at K-State this is what we have to do. Those facility improvements aren't going to pay for themselves. While the timing could be questioned, with the sales last year over 12K, its hard not to see the logic in pushing it through. Season tickets will still be 10-11K minimally, and I don't think it will be too tough to sell the rest if more seats are empty. We're setting ourselves up to get a nice windfall from men's basketball which has been lacking for a long, long time.
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(http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/889/446347.jpg)
Where is a $1500 donation required, anyway?
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also a pretty stupid/initiative lacking fanbase. supposedly, there are somewhere around 3K empty seats at your average ksu game. instead of bitching about the seat timothy assigned you, scan around for an empty seat you consider to be better situated and go sit there.
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And people have to get real here, it seems some think that these are just arbitrarily assigned $$ figures. and I doubt the athletics folks just sat in a room and threw out random numbers for those seats. I'm sure they had data to analyze what people are currently paying to KSU in each section and set their PSLs accordingly. I have faith that the proper study was done before assigning the PSLs and they are working with a high amount of confidence that they can sell nearly the same number of seats and make a lot more money.
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After rereading that post it looks like the guy was donating $1000/year for 2 tickets, and is getting kicked out by someone donating $1500/year.
In other words, he'd be moving from section 8 to Section 9. :crybaby:
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(http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/889/446347.jpg)
Where is a $1500 donation required, anyway?
visual evidence of students not carrying their weight in supporting the basketball team.
again.
suck asses.
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Where is a $1500 donation required, anyway?
It sounds like the chairs on the floor in front of the students will be $1500 donation seats next.
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I really want seats in section 18. Why are they the only ones like that? Are they..special?
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Like I always tell the dumbasses who bitch about this stuff.
Lets not do it, and in a few years you'll have the arena to yourself, or an entire section of BSFS to yourself as KSU fights its way to the D1AA post seasson.
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I really want seats in section 18. Why are they the only ones like that? Are they..special?
They're the only "sideline" non-chairbacks.
I sat there Monday, and you have to stand the entire game if you want to see.
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I really want seats in section 18. Why are they the only ones like that? Are they..special?
I have seats in section 18 - row 3. I have young alumni tickets but have no idea how I got these.
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I really want seats in section 18. Why are they the only ones like that? Are they..special?
They're the only "sideline" non-chairbacks.
I sat there Monday, and you have to stand the entire game if you want to see.
I actually prefer to stand the entire game - and be close to the students so I can be a bit more classless than usual.
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I really want seats in section 18. Why are they the only ones like that? Are they..special?
They're the only "sideline" non-chairbacks.
I sat there Monday, and you have to stand the entire game if you want to see.
I actually prefer to stand the entire game - and be close to the students so I can be a bit more classless than usual.
Yeah, those are definitely the "best buy" seats for my tastes, too.
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Those seats in section 18 are actually better than section 3 or 9.
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When I renew next year i'm going to ask for them.
I'm thinking about just getting North End zone seats for football for the same reason - the ability to stand the entire game and not get bothered.
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I think the biggest problem is the poles . . . lots of poles in Bramlage getting in the way of your view, and some of those seats are real nosebleeders.
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I think the biggest problem is the poles . . . lots of poles in Bramlage getting in the way of your view, and some of those seats are real nosebleeders.
That is racist and will not be tolerated, sonofdaxjones.
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The news that people complain when asked to give more money for something is shocking to me.
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WTF is the problem? $1k/ticket + the season ticket charge is no big deal.
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The news that people complain when asked to give more money for something is shocking to me.
It's one thing to complain about being asked for more money...it's another to expect special treatment over someone willing to pay the higher amount.
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The news that people complain when asked to give more money for something is shocking to me.
It's one thing to complain about being asked for more money...it's another to expect special treatment over someone willing to pay the higher amount.
So, loyalty means nothing?
Az, if you're so loaded, why don't you just pay for my tickets for me...
Appreciated.
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The news that people complain when asked to give more money for something is shocking to me.
It's one thing to complain about being asked for more money...it's another to expect special treatment over someone willing to pay the higher amount.
So, loyalty means nothing?
Nope. If I've been buying Toyota's for years, even way back when they were "Jap Crap", should I get a special discount on a $50k Tundra SUV?
Of course, if you're willing to pay up year-to-year, your loyalty will get you better seats than the johhny-come-lately crowd.
http://www.kstatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=400&KEY=&ATCLID=69477
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The news that people complain when asked to give more money for something is shocking to me.
It's one thing to complain about being asked for more money...it's another to expect special treatment over someone willing to pay the higher amount.
So, loyalty means nothing?
Loyalty runs two ways....the university's loyalty to the ticket holder means constantly fielding a competitive team; the ticket holder's loyalty to the university means constantly providing the means to do so.
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The news that people complain when asked to give more money for something is shocking to me.
It's one thing to complain about being asked for more money...it's another to expect special treatment over someone willing to pay the higher amount.
So, loyalty means nothing?
Nope. If I've been buying Toyota's for years, even way back when they were "Jap Crap", should I get a special discount on a $50k Tundra SUV?
Of course, if you're willing to pay up year-to-year, your loyalty will get you better seats than the johhny-come-lately crowd.
http://www.kstatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=400&KEY=&ATCLID=69477
So you don't think if Camry prices went up X% in one year that there wouldn't be a lot of long-time Toyota buyers complaining? Of course there would be. Even if the Camry had experienced a marked improvement in quality.
It's just human nature.
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The news that people complain when asked to give more money for something is shocking to me.
It's one thing to complain about being asked for more money...it's another to expect special treatment over someone willing to pay the higher amount.
So, loyalty means nothing?
Nope. If I've been buying Toyota's for years, even way back when they were "Jap Crap", should I get a special discount on a $50k Tundra SUV?
Of course, if you're willing to pay up year-to-year, your loyalty will get you better seats than the johhny-come-lately crowd.
http://www.kstatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=400&KEY=&ATCLID=69477
Um...this would actually be like you've been making payments on your car of like 300/month for a few years, and someone is able to come in and take it from you if they are willing to pay 1000/month...
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I would just like to point out that if he wants to act like this is a business (Corporate), then he should run it like one...
Not like a kid in the candy story with a twenty...
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The news that people complain when asked to give more money for something is shocking to me.
It's one thing to complain about being asked for more money...it's another to expect special treatment over someone willing to pay the higher amount.
So, loyalty means nothing?
Nope. If I've been buying Toyota's for years, even way back when they were "Jap Crap", should I get a special discount on a $50k Tundra SUV?
Of course, if you're willing to pay up year-to-year, your loyalty will get you better seats than the johhny-come-lately crowd.
http://www.kstatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=400&KEY=&ATCLID=69477
Um...this would actually be like you've been making payments on your car of like 300/month for a few years, and someone is able to come in and take it from you if they are willing to pay 1000/month...
No.
When you purchase tickets, you do not own your seats. You purchased the right to use those seats for a certain amount of time.
This would be like leasing a car, and then having the agency you leased it from not lease, or sell, the car back to you after your contract was over.
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So you don't think if Camry prices went up X% in one year that there wouldn't be a lot of long-time Toyota buyers complaining? Of course there would be. Even if the Camry had experienced a marked improvement in quality.
It's just human nature.
They might complain, but wouldn't expect to get one for less than people who can afford the new prices.
This guy mulask thinks he deserves a discount for his loyalty - that's ridiculous.
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Loyalty runs two ways....the university's loyalty to the ticket holder means constantly fielding a competitive team; the ticket holder's loyalty to the university means constantly providing the means to do so.
I agree with that, but that loyalty only holds true if there was no one else willing to pay. Unfortunately in today's world and with a bandwagon mentality, the money is probably there to "replace" those fans who have paid for years but now won't be able to afford it. It isn't "fair" completely, but its the way it is if you want to compete.
Frankly, I'd rather watch a team that competes for titles on TV and make a couple games a year b/c I can't afford tickets than afford tickets to watch a team that competes for the NIT.
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I would just like to point out that if he wants to act like this is a business (Corporate), then he should run it like one...
Not like a kid in the candy story with a twenty...
What???
Ridiculous.
The market sets the value for a commodities worth. It would be irresponsible for any business to not charge market price for it's product/services.
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So you don't think if Camry prices went up X% in one year that there wouldn't be a lot of long-time Toyota buyers complaining? Of course there would be. Even if the Camry had experienced a marked improvement in quality.
It's just human nature.
They might complain, but wouldn't expect to get one for less than people who can afford the new prices.
This guy mulask thinks he deserves a discount for his loyalty - that's ridiculous.
Eh. I'm not reading whichever thread this is coming from.
You're right in that he doesn't deserve the discount. I just think that expecting people/him not to complain about it is unrealilistic.
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I would just like to point out that if he wants to act like this is a business (Corporate), then he should run it like one...
Not like a kid in the candy story with a twenty...
What???
Ridiculous.
The market sets the value for a commodities worth. It would be irresponsible for any business to not charge market price for it's product/services.
And the market is showing up in about 4-5K empty seats, on average.
It will be a great day when his sucking up finally lands him a gig as a bobblehead for Myles Brand.
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I would just like to point out that if he wants to act like this is a business (Corporate), then he should run it like one...
Not like a kid in the candy story with a twenty...
What???
Ridiculous.
The market sets the value for a commodities worth. It would be irresponsible for any business to not charge market price for it's product/services.
And the market is showing up in about 4-5K empty seats, on average.
It will be a great day when his sucking up finally lands him a gig as a bobblehead for Myles Brand.
The market showed up by buying all of the season tickets.
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IIRC, I did a little analysis and noted that prices went up about 75%. I can't believe people are shocked that people are complaining about that and I can't believe people wouldn't think that, on some level, their complaint wasn't legitimate.
But really, only the season ticket holders prior to Huggins being hired (which excludes myself) have any real legitimate complaint.
Next year my prediction is that attendance will do down from alumni and up for students (atleast proportionately if the student section is reduced by sky boxes) but the revenue will be greater than this year.
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are ticket sales up or down?
if they're down, then the tickets are overpriced in the market.
if they're up, then they're not overpriced, and are either underpriced, or priced just right.
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"if they're down, then the tickets are overpriced in the market."
Not necessarily. What if they sell nine tickets for every ten they sold this year, but each ticket costs 75% more? That's a pretty big difference in revenue, champ. Good ECON 098 short course, though.