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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: fatty fat fat on January 13, 2007, 05:39:47 PM
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http://www2.kusports.com/news/2007/jan/13/warinner_return_ku_offensive_coordinator/
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"Warinner, also the Illini's run-game coordinator, has been a wanted man this offseason after illinois led the Big Ten in rushing with 188.8 yards per game. He was among the finalists for the Air Force head coaching job that eventually went to Houston Texans offensive coordinator Troy Calhoun."
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:lol:
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At least his only prior coaching experience isn't at North Dakota.
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doesnt matter where you start..just where you end up.
do you expect everyone to start off for a BCS team?
hardly.
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At least his only prior coaching experience isn't at North Dakota.
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Not everyone can start their professional career at a toll booth. :thumbsup:
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So they hired a run-game coordinator to be their OC.
Is that to make their non-existent running backs better?
Or is that to make Kerry Meier/Todd Reising better at knowing when to keep it and run from defenders?
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Wait...he was the O-line guy in 03-04? That line sucked real bad back then. 64-0 bad.
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Not everyone can start their professional career at a toll booth.
Actually, he started out at K-State, but don't let that get in the way of being a complete idiot.
Is that to make their non-existent running backs better?
Umm... Jon Cornish ran all over your defense and was the leading running back in the Big 12. ku has plenty of guys who can carry the rock.
39-20.
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Not everyone can start their professional career at a toll booth.
Actually, he started out at K-State, but don't let that get in the way of being a complete idiot.
Is that to make their non-existent running backs better?
Umm... Jon Cornish ran all over your defense and was the leading running back in the Big 12. ku has plenty of guys who can carry the rock.
39-20.
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Good God, you're lame. I'm not saying that because I think you are on the wrong track. The truth is, I'm not paying that much attention. For all I know, you could be absolutely correct. I'm talking about you as a person. You're just really lame. For the benefit of us all, try harder please.
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Not everyone can start their professional career at a toll booth.
Actually, he started out at K-State, but don't let that get in the way of being a complete idiot.
Is that to make their non-existent running backs better?
Umm... Jon Cornish ran all over your defense and was the leading running back in the Big 12. ku has plenty of guys who can carry the rock.
39-20.
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Good God, you're lame. I'm not saying that because I think you are on the wrong track. The truth is, I'm not paying that much attention. For all I know, you could be absolutely correct. I'm talking about you as a person. You're just really lame. For the benefit of us all, try harder please.
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Not everyone can start their professional career at a toll booth.
Actually, he started out at K-State, but don't let that get in the way of being a complete idiot.
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No, Bill found him working part time on a turnpike. Your head coach was working in a turnpike and you're questioning a guy starting out at ND St. I bet your boyfriend beats you, that's why you try to act tough on these boards.
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"ku has plenty of guys who can carry the rock"
that depth will come in handy if mangino ever falls down
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BMW . . . Member of Internet Tough Guys:
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Umm... Jon Cornish ran all over your defense and was the leading running back in the Big 12. ku has plenty of guys who can carry the rock.
39-20.
the score "that launched a thousand" (-plus) idiots to tear down goalposts over non-rivals. The game where ku was outgained and didn't have a single TD drive w/ out it being off a turnover.
And why are you bringing up Cornish? What does he have to do w/ Wariner? You will have a new OL next year and new RB=No running game next year.
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I'll let NJHawk take it from here:
Folks, this is a good hire.
Warriner has been a part of some very explosive offenses. Granted, most of them were option, but you can be very successful running a lot of option out of the spread. Bill Snyder won a gawdawful lot of games doing that.
I think its also apparent that Mangino has a lot of trust in Warinner. After Warinner left the program Mangino brought him back and gave him a promotion. In the business world that happens all the time........... when you respect the hell out of the guy that left. I'm also pretty sure (although I don't know for sure) that Warriner had a hand in Mangino hiring Reagan.
Why is the trust factor important? Because Mangino isn't going to hand the keys to the offense to somebody he doesn't trust. We're a lot more likely to see new and different stuff from Warinner than we would be if we hired somebody like BYU's OC or any other hot shot young coordinator.
Warinner is respected in the business and he's done some great coaching jobs over the years.
This is better than a good hire.
Cheers,
NJ Hawk
Not to worry Hawkers! Another stunning achievement for Mangino and Sweet Lew!
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And why are you bringing up Cornish? What does he have to do w/ Wariner? You will have a new OL next year and new RB=No running game next year.
K-State needs to worry about their O-line. ku is set with Rodriguez, Wolfe, Hartley, Cantrell, and Collins. That's 3 returning starters, a Juco who signed with ku over Florida State, and a redshirt-freshman who is our top o-line prospect and signed with ku over Wisconsin and K-State. Brandon McAnderson is a solid fullback as well. ku's running attack should improve under Warriner.
Hatter.... you are the same guy who thought that Thomas Clayton was a better running back than Jon Cornish. You are the same guy who thought before the season that K-State would beat ku in Lawrence. Don't even get me started on that one. Despite your ignorance, ku has plenty of guys waiting to be the man at running back.
The game where ku was outgained and didn't have a single TD drive w/ out it being off a turnover.
Wrong on so many levels. ku was outgained because we had such a short field to work with, thanks to Josh Freeman and his SIX turnovers. You also fail to point out that ku turned it over 4 time IN THE REDZONE. The game was not even close. It should have been a lot worse than 39-20.
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Despite your ignorance, ku has plenty of guys waiting to be the man at running back.
allright, name some
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I would take Patton over Sharp, but that's just in my jmho.
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First of all, how many predicted Leon Patton to be the starting running back as a true freshman last season?
Secondly, I believe if you have the right scheme and good enough blocking up front, the running back position is the easiest position to replace in all of football.
Now, looking back at Rivals rankings for '06... Leon Patton was a 3-star, 5.5 rating, #61 overall athlete coming out of the state of Texas.
In comparison, Donte Bean, the guy I would like to see fill Cornish's spot, was a 3-star, 5.6 rating, #15 overall all-purpose back and ranked in the Texas Top 100 coming out of high school. Bean has better measurements than Patton, as well as a 4.43 40-time and a 4.25 shuttle time. I expect him to get a lot of carries next season.
Another option at running back is Angus Quigley, who was projected as the 2nd-string running back behind Cornish last season until he had a season-ending injury. Quigley stands 6'3, 210, with 4.5 speed. Rivals gave him a 3-star, 5.6 ranking, and he's another guy from the state of Texas, which produces tons of talented football players.
Next on the list is Jake Sharp, who I'm sure you all know about. Sharp was the #1 ranked player in Kansas and the #17 overall all-purpose back in '06. He was an EA Sports All-American and broke all sorts of rushing records for the state of Kansas. Rivals gave him a 3-star, 5.6 rating. He averaged a little over 6 yards per carry last season as a true freshman. Sharp also took 2nd in the state in the 100-meter sprint. K-State tried to make a late push, but he stuck with ku.
Now, after I've listed three players who were ranked higher coming out of high school than Leon Patton (your starting RB), with better size and speed, is there some other reason why you think ku doesn't have anyone to replace Cornish?
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Yes, because Kansas Football has never ever been successful. Like, ever.
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First of all, how many predicted Leon Patton to be the starting running back as a true freshman last season?
Secondly, I believe if you have the right scheme and good enough blocking up front, the running back position is the easiest position to replace in all of football.
Now, looking back at Rivals rankings for '06... Leon Patton was a 3-star, 5.5 rating, #61 overall athlete coming out of the state of Texas.
In comparison, Donte Bean, the guy I would like to see fill Cornish's spot, was a 3-star, 5.6 rating, #15 overall all-purpose back and ranked in the Texas Top 100 coming out of high school. Bean has better measurements than Patton, as well as a 4.43 40-time and a 4.25 shuttle time. I expect him to get a lot of carries next season.
Another option at running back is Angus Quigley, who was projected as the 2nd-string running back behind Cornish last season until he had a season-ending injury. Quigley stands 6'3, 210, with 4.5 speed. Rivals gave him a 3-star, 5.6 ranking, and he's another guy from the state of Texas, which produces tons of talented football players.
Next on the list is Jake Sharp, who I'm sure you all know about. Sharp was the #1 ranked player in Kansas and the #17 overall all-purpose back in '06. He was an EA Sports All-American and broke all sorts of rushing records for the state of Kansas. Rivals gave him a 3-star, 5.6 rating. He averaged a little over 6 yards per carry last season as a true freshman. Sharp also took 2nd in the state in the 100-meter sprint. K-State tried to make a late push, but he stuck with ku.
Now, after I've listed three players who were ranked higher coming out of high school than Leon Patton (your starting RB), with better size and speed, is there some other reason why you think ku doesn't have anyone to replace Cornish?
yes, James Johnson our OTHER was a 4 star comming in from Juco and is 5' 11" which is taller than both Bean and Sharpe and is also heavier and has a higher bench than all three running backs (all have higher squat max), Johnson runs a 4.4 fourty which is faster than Jake Sharpe (4.5) faster than Bean 4.43 and, faster than Quigly 4.5
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That didn't make any sense.
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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His name is "Bean".
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That didn't make any sense.
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
God you're a tool.
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Thanks for the kind words.
Apparently you've never seen Billy Madison.
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Don't worry, I'm sure stunner is forced to laugh at your beyond lame jokes.
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Thanks for the kind words.
Apparently you've never seen Billy Madison.
I have, and that is why I called you a tool. Anytime you resort to quoting Billy Madison to insult someone else shows just how pathetic you truly are. I mean, Billy Madison, WOW.
However, it was a nice way to avoid the statement. You obviously are really good at that. I mean, you have done that every time I have said anything. That really is a talent you should tell people about.
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Looks like somebody forgot to take their medication....
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Once again, good deflection. You are just really good at this.
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That didn't make any sense.
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
let me simplify and use bigger words
Our Other Starting Running Back James Johnson was higher ranked, faster, bigger, and has a stronger bench than all three of your replacements for John Cornish
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oh boy. So many stupid things said by BMW so I'll keep it short.
- yep, I said KSU would win at ku. I was correct about KSU being the better team. Better record w/ a tougher schedule and higher finish in conference standings = better team. Nobody could forecast last year that half our team would be on the shelf w/ injuries for your super bowl. Congrats.
- ku returns 2 starters on the OL, not three. Ochoa, Whittaker, and Dambach started every game this year and have over 100 career starts as a trio. We went through this last year w/ beak fans concerning your defense. You didn't believe us then and now after ku has the worst pass D in the NCAA I'm not even going to bother trying to tell you that you don't lose 100 career starts in the interior OL and not lose a few steps.
- LOL at "our replacements are bigger, faster...blah blah than Patton". Ummm..Sharp's fastest legit 100 was 10.8..Patton went 10.6. Patton is faster than all of your RB's and lol at his ranking. If you think it's all about rankings then Bryan Baldwin is a better corner than Aqib Talib. Congrats to us.
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Hatter... wrong once again.
Every team has injuries. It's not just K-State, so get over it. ku was at least 3 TD's better than K-State last season.
ku returns 2 starters on the OL, not three.
Ryan Cantrell has starting experience on the OL. He didn't play as much last season because of injury, but he was a big reason why ku won 4 of its last 5 games in '05.
We went through this last year w/ beak fans concerning your defense. You didn't believe us then and now after ku has the worst pass D in the NCAA I'm not even going to bother trying to tell you that you don't lose 100 career starts in the interior OL and not lose a few steps.
I never said ku wouldn't lose a few steps. I realize it takes time to get the O-line playing as one unit, and losing a running back like Cornish is tough. However, it's not all doom and gloom like you make it out to be. I simply pointed out that Leon Patton emerged as a good running back for K-State last year, despite the fact that no one had him as a starter before the season started.
LOL at "our replacements are bigger, faster...blah blah than Patton". Ummm..Sharp's fastest legit 100 was 10.8..Patton went 10.6. Patton is faster than all of your RB's and lol at his ranking. If you think it's all about rankings then Bryan Baldwin is a better corner than Aqib Talib. Congrats to us.
Again... I was using Patton as a comparison to some of the running backs that ku has on the team. The truth is that no one knows how well they will work out for us, but there are some solid prospects waiting for the opportunity to be the man at running back. Your 100-meter times for Sharp and Patton are laughable at best... both guys have plenty of speed.
Oh, and not once did I say it was all about rankings. That's all any of us can go by at this point. People that are close to the program say that Quigley is the real deal, and that Donte Bean is going to be a good one as well. Sharp averaged over 6 yards a carry last season. Not bad.
Another guy I should mention is Carmon Boyd-Anderson, who could push for playing time next year if he lives up to the hype. #33 running back overall and another Texas Top 100 recruit. Regardless, ku has plenty of options at running back and plenty to look forward to for next season.
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your on the wong board if you want to talk how "good" ku will be, also i've noticed you don't watnt o talk about the guy who splits time with Patton, James Johnson
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You're in over your head. Go back to the Phog.
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I just have a question.
Since for the last 8 months the Hen House has told us how badly all of our coaches suck, and all of their coaches are so damn great except of course Nick Q, who has now been replaced by a certified genius.
When is this group at ku going to actually produce a team that AT least has a .500 record in conference play??
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OX, I still don't see why you think James Johnson has any affect on ku's running game. I simply compared Patton to a few of our own prospects. Nothing more, nothing less.
your on the wong board if you want to talk how "good" ku will be
You asked who we might have at running back, and I gave you a breakdown. I realize you guys are going to hate on ku as much as possible.
When is this group at ku going to actually produce a team that is AT least .500 record in conference play??
Last year was our best chance in a long time and we choked it away at Baylor. I remain optimistic though.
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Yes, you compared Leon Patton one of our starting running backs, I was simply asking why you have been ignoring our second starting running back James Johnson. Yes I asked you to list some running backs, I didn't need a breakdown of the offensive line, also when I compared JJ to your backs, you shot it down. Why should Leon Patton be your only comparing point? If my exact same style of anaylisis is worthless, then what is yours?
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Every team has injuries. It's not just K-State, so get over it. ku was at least 3 TD's better than K-State last season.
Yep and some are more hit by injuries than others. ku didn't have any significant losses out for our game...we did. LOL that ku is 3 TD's better..umm, then why did we have a better record w/ a tougher schedule and go to a bowl and ku didn't? I guess it's a one game schedule. Beat the non-rivals and nothing in the season matters.
Ryan Cantrell has starting experience on the OL. He didn't play as much last season because of injury, but he was a big reason why ku won 4 of its last 5 games in '05.
A lot of teams have a young player who have filled in for a few starts but that does not make them a "returning starter". I don't consider somebody who started a few games for us a returning starter. Now he's a returning player w/ starting experience but not a returning starter. Again, Ochoa, Dambach, and Whittaker were your starters on the interior OL. I know Wolfe is a stud but he's a young player. It's not like these players will just step in and everthing will be the same as last year.
And finally. I never said I didn't like ku's stable of running backs I just found your comment entertaining. I think Sharp was vastly overrated and you will find that out. Boyd-Anderson is the RB I wanted in this class but EVERYBODY backed off of him and that has all of the makings of a kid who will struggle to qualify. He was talking up Nebraska, KSU, and Iowa early and often in his recruiting and then those three schools backed off so he fell to ku.
Sharp averaged 6 yards per carry but in spot duty and not necessarily in I-formation power running plays. He ran a few reverses and misdirection stuff. Get in there and do it down after down...he's a great kid and works his butt off and, yes, he has plenty of speed but he's not going to do much as a RB in the Big 12. That doesn't mean he can't be a productive player but any comparisons of him to either Leon Patton or James Johnson is absurd.
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OX, I still don't see why you think James Johnson has any affect on ku's running game. I simply compared Patton to a few of our own prospects. Nothing more, nothing less.
your on the wong board if you want to talk how "good" ku will be
You asked who we might have at running back, and I gave you a breakdown. I realize you guys are going to hate on ku as much as possible.
When is this group at ku going to actually produce a team that is AT least .500 record in conference play??
Last year was our best chance in a long time and we choked it away at Baylor. I remain optimistic though.
Yep, all the D1 experience on that coaching staff at ku, and damn if they don't keep choking games away, and finishing below .500 in a weak ass Big 12 North.
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LOL that ku is 3 TD's better..umm, then why did we have a better record w/ a tougher schedule and go to a bowl and ku didn't?
Because K-State pulled a big win out of its a$$ against Texas and OSU, and ku choked against Baylor, Nebraska, and Texas A&M.
On the field, when both teams played each other, ku was the better team. The game was close to being a blowout.
A lot of teams have a young player who have filled in for a few starts but that does not make them a "returning starter". I don't consider somebody who started a few games for us a returning starter. Now he's a returning player w/ starting experience but not a returning starter.
I agree, but that's just basically arguing semantics. I don't think our O-line will be as bad as K-State's was last year, and you guys won 7 games.
Sharp averaged 6 yards per carry but in spot duty and not necessarily in I-formation power running plays. He ran a few reverses and misdirection stuff. Get in there and do it down after down...he's a great kid and works his butt off and, yes, he has plenty of speed but he's not going to do much as a RB in the Big 12. That doesn't mean he can't be a productive player but any comparisons of him to either Leon Patton or James Johnson is absurd.
That's why I put Sharp 3rd on my list of running backs. I really like Donte Bean's potential and the coaching staff is really high on Quigley as well. Sharp will be used as a change-of-pace back and will return kicks. That's what I expect out of him.
Yep, all the D1 experience on that coaching staff at ku, and damn if they don't keep choking games away, and finishing below .500 in a weak ass Big 12 North.
ku was 3-2 against the North, K-State was 2-3.
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Yep, and in a year KthUg gets the easy South schedule, KthUg once again fails to finish above .500 in conference play.
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Le'ts face it..ku simply reloads.
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Le'ts face it..ku simply reloads.
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How can they not just reload, led by that collection of football geniuses????
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Why is the trust factor important? Because Mangino isn't going to hand the keys to the offense to somebody he doesn't trust.
LOL @ "the keys" to ku's offense.
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Quote:that ______________ is a bad hire at OC? Because he has little OC experience? Because he's not a big name? I'll admit I wasn't jumping up and down out of my chair when I heard the news. But after a little bit of research and thought, I think this could be a pretty good hire. Some facts to consider:
Why wasn't Ron Prince given this same consideration?
Book, comparing the situation is pretty stupid, even for you.
http://mb24.scout.com/fkansasinsiderfrm5.showMessage?topicID=20712.topic
So ....hiring head coach with little experience/no big name = disaster
but....hiring OC with little experience/no big name = great potential
Dare I question the Phlocks "football IQ" ?
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Come on guys. The OL and the running game are not going to miss a beat. Just like after the 05 season when they did miss those LBs (who had 8 starting years of experience) and the rest of the Seniors. They did not fall off much this year from that top 20 ranking in 2005...... LOL
ku had the easiest schedule in the Big 12 and they still could not manage a winning record. 6-6 is just sad
ku also had the easiest B12 schedule and they could not win 4 conf games. 11th straight year of having a LOSING record. That is just pittyful.
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WHO?
Illinois lost 10 games. Muuuhahhhhaaaaa.
They struck gold.
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#1 rushing offense in the Big 10.
Meanwhile, K-State just promoted a guy from North Dakota as their d-coordinator. Your new strength & conditioning coach was fired from Pitt. Great work, Prince!
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#1 rushing offense in the Big 10.
Yes, but what did that get them?
That's like saying "She's the thinnest fat girl in the camp."
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#1 rushing offense in the Big 10.
Ed Warriner wasn't the head coach. He was the o-line coach and running game coordinator.
Your concern is noted.
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#1 rushing offense in the Big 10.
Ed Warriner wasn't the head coach. He was the o-line coach and running game coordinator.
Your concern is noted.
Let's put this in perspective..
You're getting a guy who will not give you a net gain in your current position because statistically, while he managed to get to be #1 in the Big Ten, that same production here in the Big 12 would not change your position in total rushing offense in the Big 12. His 188 YPG average would mave ku up to the 3rd in the Big 12 but not by much. His total of 2266 yards was good for second total yards in the Big 10 but 5th overall in the Big 12, just where you are sitting at right now.
So in essence, you gained very little. Congrats on your hire.
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Why are we worrying about ku's offensive coordinator? ku will most likely the most underachieving team in the Big12. They didn't even make a bowl game with the self proclaimed "easiest schedule in the big 12." I see them still sucking next year because their head coach is still Mark Mangino.
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LOL that ku is 3 TD's better..umm, then why did we have a better record w/ a tougher schedule and go to a bowl and ku didn't?
Because K-State pulled a big win out of its a$$ against Texas and OSU, and ku choked against Baylor, Nebraska, and Texas A&M.
On the field, when both teams played each other, ku was the better team. The game was close to being a blowout.
A lot of teams have a young player who have filled in for a few starts but that does not make them a "returning starter". I don't consider somebody who started a few games for us a returning starter. Now he's a returning player w/ starting experience but not a returning starter.
I agree, but that's just basically arguing semantics. I don't think our O-line will be as bad as K-State's was last year, and you guys won 7 games.
Sharp averaged 6 yards per carry but in spot duty and not necessarily in I-formation power running plays. He ran a few reverses and misdirection stuff. Get in there and do it down after down...he's a great kid and works his butt off and, yes, he has plenty of speed but he's not going to do much as a RB in the Big 12. That doesn't mean he can't be a productive player but any comparisons of him to either Leon Patton or James Johnson is absurd.
That's why I put Sharp 3rd on my list of running backs. I really like Donte Bean's potential and the coaching staff is really high on Quigley as well. Sharp will be used as a change-of-pace back and will return kicks. That's what I expect out of him.
Yep, all the D1 experience on that coaching staff at ku, and damn if they don't keep choking games away, and finishing below .500 in a weak ass Big 12 North.
ku was 3-2 against the North, K-State was 2-3.
KSU was the only big 12 north team to go over .500 (2-1) against the much tougher south, while ku went (0-3)
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ku Football . . . 0 for the Big 12 in winning seasons.
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I bet they try to run a WV style spread option. Mangino=spread New Nobody OC=option.
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ku football.... only 19 points better than K-State.
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Bowl Game.
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37-10 blowout on the NFL Network.
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37-10 blowout on the NFL Network.
Was great getting those extra three weeks of experience in practice.
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37-10 blowout on the NFL Network.
You got an OC coordinator that is statistically no better than your previous one. Which means we aren't going bowling next year.
LOL.
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Got blown out by a top 10 team, ehhhh worse things could have happened. Good thing not many recruits got to see it huh.
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Nobody got to see ku's bowl game. They were too crappy to go to one.
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its almost like the same smack was talked last year in fball..oh i think it was but they didnt beat a top 5 team on prime time when the whole nation thought we were gonna get smoked.
oh we lost our bowl game this year (you won yours last year) but um Houston 06 vs Rutgers 07...weigh it out.. yea not even f*%*&^ close man.
we win in the Bill in 07 go to a bowl you are watching ku bball in dec/jan (again).
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ku . . . never above .500 in conference play since the inception of the Big 12. Currently paying a coach with .275 conference winning % after 5 years $1.5 million a year.