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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: WildCatzPhreak on January 08, 2007, 09:32:07 AM
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I'm hearing we're having like 4 staff changes in the football program. Some are great, some are pretty sucky.
Raheem is basically gone. I love the guy, hate the schemes. Good move.
We also got that new Baylor guy for the DB coach.
Franklin may also be leaving too. Can't hurt us much as we didn't have much of an offense this year.
Offensive Line coach maybe leaving. Also our strength and conditioning coach Rod Cole or whatever.
Who knows, some will hurt. Some will help. I think that the new Baylor coach might be coming to become our new DC. Either that or the D-line coach will.
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Mo Latimore our new DC?
I don't think it's possible to spin completely new coordinators in year two as a good thing.
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I can't imagine that both coordinators would be leaving after 1 year? That's bad news if true even if you dont' like them.
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I loved Raheem, but I hated the Tampa 2. Our defense was very, very bad at the end of the year.
Losing the offensive coordinator does suck. But you have to think about it - with the way our offense played most of the time this year, can it really hurt THAT much?
I'm glad we're keeping Tibesar.
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I have heard that it isn’t exactly pleasant working for Ron. From the account I heard, the two coordinators didn't really give the impression that they thought much of Ron.
I agree with Rusty. Losing two coordinators can't be spinned. But I guess at least the Baylor guy has had 7 years as a DC (although at a D-1AA level). Hopefully he can get the players as "crunked" as Raheem.
As for Franklin, Ron might as well just take over the OC position (kind of like Bill) and hire some QB coach who can recruit.
Tibesar is the only guy we can't lose. His contributions are worth at least one win.
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In a way it's not all that surprising, considering they were all "WTF??" hires to begin with.
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Mmmm . . . how many good football coaches are "easy to work for"??
I don't know of many . . . maybe you guys do.
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Mmmm . . . how many good football coaches are "easy to work for"??
I don't know of many . . . maybe you guys do.
I'm not saying Bill was a peach to work for either, but atleast Bill had a background that demanded some type of respect. What's Ron going to say? "Listen to me because my offense finished nationally in the top 25 once and out of the top 50 twice in my 3 years as an OC".
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Mmmm . . . how many good football coaches are "easy to work for"??
I don't know of many . . . maybe you guys do.
I'm not saying Bill was a peach to work for either, but atleast Bill had a background that demanded some type of respect. What's Ron going to say? "Listen to me because my offense finished nationally in the top 25 once and out of the top 50 twice in my 3 years as an OC".
What did Bill Snyder have to say in 1990 . . ." Listen to me I was the offensive coordinator at Iowa and we went to 1 Rose Bowl and I had one QB who was pretty good. "????
I wonder if Ron leaves notes on coaches doors that say, "If you ever leave this building again during working hours you're fired."
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Where is the information about Raheem leaving? I heard Horton was going back to Air Force, but I hadn't heard anything about Raheem leaving. The Baylor guy is suppose to coach Running Backs from what I read.
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Where is the information about Raheem leaving? I heard Horton was going back to Air Force, but I hadn't heard anything about Raheem leaving. The Baylor guy is suppose to coach Running Backs from what I read.
GPC
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Mmmm . . . how many good football coaches are "easy to work for"??
I don't know of many . . . maybe you guys do.
I'm not saying Bill was a peach to work for either, but atleast Bill had a background that demanded some type of respect. What's Ron going to say? "Listen to me because my offense finished nationally in the top 25 once and out of the top 50 twice in my 3 years as an OC".
What did Bill Snyder have to say in 1990 . . ." Listen to me I was the offensive coordinator at Iowa and we went to 1 Rose Bowl and I had one QB who was pretty good. "????
I wonder if Ron leaves notes on coaches doors that say, "If you ever leave this building again during working hours you're fired."
Who do you think had more respect going into their respective first head coaching jobs? Bill was actually widely respected in the Big 10, where as the other ACC coaches probably gave the same expression as KSU fans when they found out Ron was KSU's coach..."who?". I wonder if Ron even knows where his coaches' offices are what with his busy book reading schedule. I'm actually not too unhappy about the changes. Maybe if Bill would have taken similar actions, KSU football wouldnt' be where it is right now.
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Experience has nothing to do with it. One is mostly demanding and the other is mostly a dickhead. That's the difference.
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Experience has nothing to do with it. One is mostly demanding and the other is mostly a dickhead. That's the difference.
Okay . . . well tell us specific examples Chum.
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Mmmm . . . how many good football coaches are "easy to work for"??
I don't know of many . . . maybe you guys do.
I'm not saying Bill was a peach to work for either, but atleast Bill had a background that demanded some type of respect. What's Ron going to say? "Listen to me because my offense finished nationally in the top 25 once and out of the top 50 twice in my 3 years as an OC".
What did Bill Snyder have to say in 1990 . . ." Listen to me I was the offensive coordinator at Iowa and we went to 1 Rose Bowl and I had one QB who was pretty good. "????
I wonder if Ron leaves notes on coaches doors that say, "If you ever leave this building again during working hours you're fired."
Who do you think had more respect going into their respective first head coaching jobs? Bill was actually widely respected in the Big 10, where as the other ACC coaches probably gave the same expression as KSU fans when they found out Ron was KSU's coach..."who?". I wonder if Ron even knows where his coaches' offices are what with his busy book reading schedule. I'm actually not too unhappy about the changes. Maybe if Bill would have taken similar actions, KSU football wouldnt' be where it is right now.
I'm no big Ron Prince fan . . . but you're basing the idea that Bill Snyder could be a prick and it was never an issue (which he was to the highest level to his staff behind closed doors) just because he was the Offensive Coordinator at Iowa and Iowa had a decent run.
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I'm no big Ron Prince fan . . . but you're basing the idea that Bill Snyder could be a prick and it was never an issue (which he was to the highest level to his staff behind closed doors) just because he was the Offensive Coordinator at Iowa and Iowa had a decent run.
I'm basing it off the idea that people (asst. coaches) are more inclined to accept the head coach's actions/attitude when they believe that the head coach actually knows what he is doing and has a successful track record.
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(http://www.worldofkj.com/Pictures/vincev7.jpg)
"BILL SNYDER IS A SAINT!!!"
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I think there is a difference between the two coaches here. Let me try another angle. One is transparently full of crap and one is not. There is plenty of evidence of this. Working for some one that is full of crap yet demanding isn't fun, IMO.
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Raheem - Mcgriff
Franklin - ?
McCarty - ?
So far, so good. It won't be hard to find better coaches than Franklin and McCarty.
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Raheem - Mcgriff
Franklin - ?
McCarty - ?
So far, so good. It won't be hard to find better coaches than Franklin and McCarty.
Da-rell Wy-att *clap* *clap* *clap clap clap*
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Raheem - Mcgriff
Franklin - ?
McCarty - ?
So far, so good. It won't be hard to find better coaches than Franklin and McCarty.
Da-rell Wy-att *clap* *clap* *clap clap clap*
He's the passing coordinator and WR's coach for the Vikings. Don't know if we could lure him away.
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Da-rell Wy-att *clap* *clap* *clap clap clap*
Is there any particular reason you're bring him up?
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Raheem - Mcgriff
Franklin - ?
McCarty - ?
So far, so good. It won't be hard to find better coaches than Franklin and McCarty.
Da-rell Wy-att *clap* *clap* *clap clap clap*
He's the passing coordinator and WR's coach for the Vikings. Don't know if we could lure him away.
He has pretty much the same position Franklin had and he's an alum.
http://www.vikings.com/coach_detail_objectname_Darrell_Wyatt.html
Da-rell Wy-att *clap* *clap* *clap clap clap*
Is there any particular reason you're bring him up?
No, other than the fact that he recruits like a badass.
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He also looks like a badass. How much do position coaches in the NFL make? I would love a black head coach, a black offensive coordinator, and a black defensive coordinator.
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We already have that.
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We already have that.
I know, but franklin doesn't look black.
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this guy is looking for a job....
(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/football/nfl/01/04/bc.fbn.steelers.ap/t2.cowher.si.jpg)
(http://www.nfl.com/images/photos/2001/pre4/cowher.jpg)
(http://media.scout.com/Media/NHL/61569_BillCowher-.JPG)
(http://www.afgrant.com/images/gillette/opener/PIT_cowher.jpg)
and, if you want to boost recruiting in a big, big way, get this guy engaged:
(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/richard_deitsch/01/04/the.rant/p1_artshell.jpg)
you want bold and daring? pay ex nfl head coaches a cool million to be a coordinator or recruiter while they take a year or two off waiting for the right nfl job to come available.
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Rusty-
can you post NJhawk's pm?
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ron is pretty much an a-hole. many have been telling ksu fans that for a long long time and you didnn't want ot hear it, but now you have prood, staring you in the face. coaches don't leave like this, one year after being hired for no reason.
you hired the wrong guy and he is going to take your program right down into the crapper.
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Here we go again with the "The sky is falling for KSU!" from Nebraska fans.
You'd think they of all people would realize it's not.
Callahan won five games in his first year, taking over a team that won 10 games the year before.
Prince won seven games in his first year, taking over a team that won nine games in the previous TWO years. And I'm pretty sure every active head coach in the Big XII has a better record in year two than year one.
Also, as pointed out in a lot of other threads, coaches DO just leave like this after one or two years. See Snyder as a reference.
You'd think Nebraska fans would know something about college football, yet every time they speak it becomes painfully more apparent that they don't have a clue.
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ron is pretty much an a-hole. many have been telling ksu fans that for a long long time and you didnn't want ot hear it, but now you have prood, staring you in the face. coaches don't leave like this, one year after being hired for no reason.
you hired the wrong guy and he is going to take your program right down into the crapper.
Well we've already got a better defensive coordinator. Would you rather we go Snyder's route, and keep our crapty coaches year after year until every single coach is terrible?
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"Also, as pointed out in a lot of other threads, coaches DO just leave like this after one or two years. See Snyder as a reference."
wrong,. this is not just like other situations. ksu did better this year than they have the 2 previous years, they won more games than anyone thought they could win. you would think moral would be sky high, but even all the wins and accomplishments can't keep good coaches around. You thought these were all wtf hires before, wait till you get a look of the new guys. nobody worth 2 craps will want to work for prince.
please name me one school that lost as many coaches as ksu did this year under similair circumtances, this is unheard of. heck, NU had it's worst year in 42 years callahans first year and we didn't lose anyone. why? because the assistants know a good caoch when they see one and they know a hc that is gonna take the team to the top. obviously most of the ksu coaches don't feel that way. heck, scott frost already bailed, a year earlier and he wants into coaching really bad
your program is coming apart at the seems
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"Also, as pointed out in a lot of other threads, coaches DO just leave like this after one or two years. See Snyder as a reference."
wrong,. this is not just like other situations. ksu did better this year than they have the 2 previous years, they won more games than anyone thought they could win. you would think moral would be sky high, but even all the wins and accomplishments can't keep good coaches around. You thought these were all wtf hires before, wait till you get a look of the new guys. nobody worth 2 craps will want to work for prince.
please name me one school that lost as many coaches as ksu did this year under similair circumtances, this is unheard of. heck, NU had it's worst year in 42 years callahans first year and we didn't lose anyone. why? because the assistants know a good caoch when they see one and they know a hc that is gonna take the team to the top. obviously most of the ksu coaches don't feel that way. heck, scott frost already bailed, a year earlier and he wants into coaching really bad
your program is coming apart at the seems
Franklin was seen with Prince wearing purple according to my "friend" who just happened to be in San Antonio. Losing 2 coaches isn't that big of a deal, especially when we are getting better guys.
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God Nebraska fans are dumb.
We're fine. If you knew anything about our team you'd realize the reason we lost as many games as we did this year is because the Tampa 2 doesn't defend the inside running game well. With Morris leaving we'll move to another defensive scheme that is meant for the college ranks and defends the various types of offenses we'll see.
I wouldn't be surprised if Prince didn't even hire a new OC and just took the job upon himself like Snyder had done on occasions.
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need a stud qb coach.....ron hudson.
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ron is pretty much an a-hole. many have been telling ksu fans that for a long long time and you didnn't want ot hear it, but now you have prood, staring you in the face. coaches don't leave like this, one year after being hired for no reason.
you hired the wrong guy and he is going to take your program right down into the crapper.
1. Morris was offered a job in the NFL with a multi-year contract that probably pays more than he's making now.... Yet, he took the job because he hates his boss?
2. We lose two coaches that were in control of Offense and the Offensive line.... The two weakest links.... Regardless of if they quit or if they were fired... who cares.
3. We pick up a pretty decent hire... although he is from Baylor... resume's still impressive...
But no, you're right... we are screwed. :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah:
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2. We lose two coaches that were in control of Offense and the Offensive line.... The two weakest links.... Regardless of if they quit or if they were fired... who cares."
how can your o-line be a weakness with ron prince, gods gift to o-line coaching at the helm?
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Find a quote where I said that jacka$$.
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It's got to be the inbreeding in Cornhole country . . . that has to be it. No other way to explain the stupidity.
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45 guest at 7 AM. Holy crap. Husker fan, wtf is wrong with you?
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This is sort of exciting.
http://www.wildcatdaily.com/view/article.asp?sectionid=Home/News&id=757-2007-01-09-25247-59
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Normally coordinators like to bring some of their people with them. Do we expect additional coaching moves?
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So we still have Wallerstedt, Latimore, Tibesar, and James Jones.
I know absolutely nothing about James Jones and I can't recall anyone ever making a post about him. What are the opinions about him?
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look, rb coaches don't leave to be coordinators unless they really, really, really hate the head coach.
everyone knows that rb coach is a higher paid, more respected position than offensive coordinator.
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look, rb coaches don't leave to be coordinators unless they really, really, really hate the head coach.
everyone knows that rb coach is a higher paid, more respected position than offensive coordinator.
Agreed . . . excellent point. Leaving a school as a position coach for a coodinators job at another school is a clear sign of hatred towards the head coach at the old school and unresolved issues with your mother as well.
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You know why all of these guys got big promotions, right? It's because we were a supremely awesome team last year. When you tie for second in the North, you've got to take the bad with the good.
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So we still have Wallerstedt, Latimore, Tibesar, and James Jones.
I know absolutely nothing about James Jones and I can't recall anyone ever making a post about him. What are the opinions about him?
We were decent at TE, so he must be ok.
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You know why all of these guys got big promotions, right? It's because we were a supremely awesome team last year. When you tie for second in the North, you've got to take the bad with the good.
True, look at the two years prior. The North was incredible and KSU was forced to finish last and fifth in the North during that period.
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So we still have Wallerstedt, Latimore, Tibesar, and James Jones.
I know absolutely nothing about James Jones and I can't recall anyone ever making a post about him. What are the opinions about him?
If I remember correctly he killed a bunch of people in some So. American country by having them drink the Kool Aid.
Send him over to GPC :thumbsup:
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So we still have Wallerstedt, Latimore, Tibesar, and James Jones.
I know absolutely nothing about James Jones and I can't recall anyone ever making a post about him. What are the opinions about him?
We were decent at TE, so he must be ok.
Or maybe not.
Leonard most recently served as a special assignment scout in the New England Patriots organization and will take over as K-State’s tight ends coach in place of James Jones, whose contract was not renewed, Prince said.