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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: ds43fan on November 12, 2006, 04:10:38 PM
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I'm sorry to say that i dought it
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definately not.
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I honestly wonder when some of you became KSU football fans.
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Snyder would have rolled allen "no talent" evridge out there.
Nation, good call with the "snyder for OC campaign"
Hilarious.
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I honestly wonder when some of you became KSU football fans.
Be honest. Snyder had a horrible time against teams he wasn't supposed to beat.
On a related note does anyone on here ever remember a Snyder trick play working. The only one I can think of is like eastern illinois when we debuted the swinging gate on an extra point and threw a two point conversion to that the tight end (MaGee?).
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I honestly wonder when some of you became KSU football fans.
Be honest. Snyder had a horrible time against teams he wasn't supposed to beat.
On a related note does anyone on here ever remember a Snyder trick play working. The only one I can think of is like eastern illinois when we debuted the swinging gate on an extra point and threw a two point conversion to that the tight end (MaGee?).
Good times. It was 33-13 and snyder wanted to make it a clean 35-13.
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Before or after Michael Bishop? Before Bishop Snyder actually called fairly aggressive games at times but after Bishop arrived it was: 1st down run, 2nd down run, 3rd down heave it down the field and pray. The post-Bishop Snyder loses by 4 TDs last night, the pre-Bishop Snyder would have had a shot.
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Throwback pass to Matt Miller on the go ahead drive against CU in 96 is one that stands out. Of course then we got beat deep to give up the lead and finished by snapping the ball into the endzone for another CU score.
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Throwback pass to Matt Miller on the go ahead drive against CU in 96 is one that stands out. Of course then we got beat deep to give up the lead and finished by snapping the ball into the endzone for another CU score.
Wasn't Mitch Running involved in that play? Didn't the bounce it off the crown?
I was there, cold night :o
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I meant 95. 96 was the very cold game in Boulder. 95 was cold, but it wasn't -12 at kickoff.
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I'm sorry to say that i dought it
Are you smoking crack??? Do you kids really not remember the true snyder days??? My god
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I'm sorry to say that i dought it
Are you smoking crack??? Do you kids really not remember the true snyder days??? My god
Apparently you don't either.
I remember distinctly thinking we had a shot vs. Nebraska in '96.
Snyder NEVER pulled as ballsy a game plan off as this. ever.
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Besides the Miller throwback, the only other really quasi-trick play I remember was the throw back TE screen to justin swift in the 97 Fiesta, but I don't know if that counts as a trick play. From 97-03, Bill really had no reason to pull trick plays out of his ass because we had as much if not more talent than everyone we played.
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I recall an onside kick that A&M had no idea was coming...many "trickeration" type plays in many other games...and Snyder would just formation people to death. Before MB came on the scene, KSU's offense was one of the most visibly creative the game has known for some time..and even when you thought he was just running "QB Draw right, QB Draw Left, Throw Deep" every time...it was SO much more.
Last night, Prince called a good game. The fake punt was "interesting", but I loved that he was not too hard headed to think he could force a run game on UT and attacked their weakness. It was awesome.
I'm not sure I'm seeing what everyone is calling "ballsy"...the 2 double passes in a row were impressive, but the one that really caught my eye was the throw on 3rd down. I really liked that call.
If Coach is going to get back in the game, Fatty, I'd just as soon have him at KSU.
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If Coach is going to get back in the game, Fatty, I'd just as soon have him at KSU.
It's retarded thinking to ask Prince to hire Snyder as the OC.
I mean, that's just dumb
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If Coach is going to get back in the game, Fatty, I'd just as soon have him at KSU.
It's retarded thinking to ask Prince to hire Snyder as the OC.
I mean, that's just dumb
Do you honestly think I was serious? All I ever said is I would like to have it happen...but it wouldn't happen...much like any other far-fetched wish.
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I recall an onside kick that A&M had no idea was coming...many "trickeration" type plays in many other games...and Snyder would just formation people to death. Before MB came on the scene, KSU's offense was one of the most visibly creative the game has known for some time..and even when you thought he was just running "QB Draw right, QB Draw Left, Throw Deep" every time...it was SO much more.
Last night, Prince called a good game. The fake punt was "interesting", but I loved that he was not too hard headed to think he could force a run game on UT and attacked their weakness. It was awesome.
I'm not sure I'm seeing what everyone is calling "ballsy"...the 2 double passes in a row were impressive, but the one that really caught my eye was the throw on 3rd down. I really liked that call.
If Coach is going to get back in the game, Fatty, I'd just as soon have him at KSU.
WN, you realize that Prince has roughly as many successful trick plays in one year as Snyder did in all of his years here? Do you see why you look like an idiot pointing out an onside kick @ A&M?
Yes, many of us recall the sheer brilliance of the 4-5 times a game that our QB would check-off to a short-side option. Or the sheer brilliance of 2-3 delay of game/flase starts guaranteed every game.
Snyder was a terrific coach. No doubt. I have a tremendous amount of respect for what he did for this program and more importantly this university. Not enough could ever be said about it. However, Prince is doing things that are the complete opposite of what we've become accustomed to. In every way possible he is a change. People on here were very skeptical and I think the elation is a reflection of that.
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Snyder will always be one of my idols. I went to Manhattan BY MYSELF for his last game! I love the man & always will. That being said, he had a tendency to call really conservative game plans. And I don't remember many "trick plays" being successful. I remember a goal-line halfback pass (in '91 I think) that Nebraska BLEW UP. And who was J.J. Smith throwing to? Chad May. Of course, that was the day that May threw for 489 yards against the vaunted blackskirts too. Yeah we lost, but it was a damned entertaining game up there. Back to the point; "Bold & daring" wasn't really a part of Snyder's bag of tricks most of the time.
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Against BYU in the Cotton Bowl, Snyder brought the teams back out of the lockerroom and went for two right before half time. That was pretty Bold and Daring for Snyder.
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Kid, you can believe what you want, but you ask any coach that played against Coach Snyder, and we'll see who the idiot is.
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and we'll see who the idiot is.
"Snyder for OC!"
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You plannin' to reach puberty anytime soon Fatty?
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:popcorn:
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I honestly wonder when some of you became KSU football fans.
im talking with this team the almost exact same team he went 5-6 last year with
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Kid, you can believe what you want, but you ask any coach that played against Coach Snyder, and we'll see who the idiot is.
Ok! I'll be sure to give them a ring. I have Gary Barnett on speed-dial.
Were you that guy on the field last night drunkenly screaming at the students to respect Bill Snyder Family Stadium and rambling about us being in the Fiesta Bowl 3 years ago?
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Snyder would have lost to Texas this year.
Once upon a time he called a fairly creative game, then he got the horses to just ram the football down the throats of nearly everyone we played so that's exactly what he did. Problem is that the level of athelete being brought in started to decline a bit early this decade finally resulting in the '04 and '05 seasons where we simply no longer had the athletes we needed to ram the ball down the other team's throat and get 9+ wins doing so.
Snyder may have "formationed teams to death" but he was still running primarily a power game, right up to the end when he didn't have the players he needed to be successful doing so. That's a big part of the reason why, after he established the program, he nearly always won the games he was supposed to win and lost the game he was supposed to lose.
There's nothing at all wrong with the style game Snyder called for the last decade or so. We won a hell of a lot of games playing that sort of football and teams like Nebraska won a lot of MNCs doing just about the same thing. We'd just reached a point where it was no longer suited to the players we had in the program. Snyder would still be calling a power game and we still don't have the team to pull it off so we'd have been in for another long season this year.
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Kid, you can believe what you want, but you ask any coach that played against Coach Snyder, and we'll see who the idiot is.
I just don't get why people want to downplay what Snyder did. It seems so fricking retarded. I'm with you WN. I just finished Snyder's book. For any Cat fan you should read it before you talk. :confused:
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Were you that guy on the field last night drunkenly screaming at the students to respect Bill Snyder Family Stadium and rambling about us being in the Fiesta Bowl 3 years ago?
Um....no. I stood around and took in the atmosphere for a few minutes...walked down and out onto the track...saw Drinkgerm...wife figured out that being down on the field was pretty overrated, and we took off for the tailgate. Watched highlights for about an hour..picked up, went and dropped stuff off....drove through Aggieville and then went to Bob's for some grub before getting some sleep around 2.
Any more questions?
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LOL@Rushing the field being overrated
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Snyder will always be one of my idols. I went to Manhattan BY MYSELF for his last game! I love the man & always will. That being said, he had a tendency to call really conservative game plans. And I don't remember many "trick plays" being successful. I remember a goal-line halfback pass (in '91 I think) that Nebraska BLEW UP. And who was J.J. Smith throwing to? Chad May. Of course, that was the day that May threw for 489 yards against the vaunted blackskirts too. Yeah we lost, but it was a damned entertaining game up there. Back to the point; "Bold & daring" wasn't really a part of Snyder's bag of tricks most of the time.
To anybody that was around in the days when Kstate football sucked......Snyder is an idol and rightfully so. Who the hell is into trick plays? Thats bullcrap........good teams T it up and smack you in the mouth. Trick plays may work some times.........but they will also take you down when it means the most. :banghead:
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Were you that guy on the field last night drunkenly screaming at the students to respect Bill Snyder Family Stadium and rambling about us being in the Fiesta Bowl 3 years ago?
Um....no. I stood around and took in the atmosphere for a few minutes...walked down and out onto the track...saw Drinkgerm...wife figured out that being down on the field was pretty overrated, and we took off for the tailgate. Watched highlights for about an hour..picked up, went and dropped stuff off....drove through Aggieville and then went to Bob's for some grub before getting some sleep around 2.
Any more questions?
When did you decide all of a sudden that a good sporting event requires no emotion?
When the game was over, did you stand up politely, clap your hands like a english woman at a tea party and then fix your suit and help your wife up the stands making sure you politely said "Excuse me, I would like to pass by?"
Oh wait! You didn't have to because ALL THE OTHER GOD DAMNED FANS RAN ONTO THE FIELD!! WHAT FREAKIN' JACKASSES WERE THOSE????
I got a call from a couple of buddies that were old roomates of mine at KSU and they RAN ONTO THE FIELD. A couple of lumbering 40 year old men who understands that we just beat one of the best teams in the nation! Both from out of town, married, with kids, god damn, they knew exactly what to do.
Now I'm pissed. Had I been there, my fatass would have been on those goal posts trying to get KSU a new set installed for free. Don't do us any more favors when you decide to come out and cheer. I hope some douchebag student pours beer on Alexanders suit.
:banghead:
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Were you that guy on the field last night drunkenly screaming at the students to respect Bill Snyder Family Stadium and rambling about us being in the Fiesta Bowl 3 years ago?
Um....no. I stood around and took in the atmosphere for a few minutes...walked down and out onto the track...saw Drinkgerm...wife figured out that being down on the field was pretty overrated, and we took off for the tailgate. Watched highlights for about an hour..picked up, went and dropped stuff off....drove through Aggieville and then went to Bob's for some grub before getting some sleep around 2.
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I saw a bunch of 55+ old men/woman on the field.
It was awesome.
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We ran 3 fake punts vs nebraska in '95. James Garcia was our leading passer that day. Ouch.
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&@#% the trick plays. Snyder would have lost because his passing in recent years was absolute crap. Like AzCat said, the only thing we really tried to do well offensively was power running.
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Ok, I'll play.
Were you that guy on the field last night drunkenly screaming at the students to respect Bill Snyder Family Stadium and rambling about us being in the Fiesta Bowl 3 years ago?
Um....no. I stood around and took in the atmosphere for a few minutes...walked down and out onto the track...saw Drinkgerm...wife figured out that being down on the field was pretty overrated, and we took off for the tailgate. Watched highlights for about an hour..picked up, went and dropped stuff off....drove through Aggieville and then went to Bob's for some grub before getting some sleep around 2.
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Highschool GPA don't remember
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Were you that guy on the field last night drunkenly screaming at the students to respect Bill Snyder Family Stadium and rambling about us being in the Fiesta Bowl 3 years ago?
Um....no. I stood around and took in the atmosphere for a few minutes...walked down and out onto the track...saw Drinkgerm...wife figured out that being down on the field was pretty overrated, and we took off for the tailgate. Watched highlights for about an hour..picked up, went and dropped stuff off....drove through Aggieville and then went to Bob's for some grub before getting some sleep around 2.
Any more questions?
When did you decide all of a sudden that a good sporting event requires no emotion?
When the game was over, did you stand up politely, clap your hands like a english woman at a tea party and then fix your suit and help your wife up the stands making sure you politely said "Excuse me, I would like to pass by?"
Oh wait! You didn't have to because ALL THE OTHER GOD DAMNED FANS RAN ONTO THE FIELD!! WHAT FREAKIN' JACKASSES WERE THOSE????
I got a call from a couple of buddies that were old roomates of mine at KSU and they RAN ONTO THE FIELD. A couple of lumbering 40 year old men who understands that we just beat one of the best teams in the nation! Both from out of town, married, with kids, god damn, they knew exactly what to do.
Now I'm pissed. Had I been there, my fatass would have been on those goal posts trying to get KSU a new set installed for free. Don't do us any more favors when you decide to come out and cheer. I hope some douchebag student pours beer on Alexanders suit.
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Come on MJ..you know me better than that. No emotion? I still don't have a voice...
Rushing the field is a blast...
Walking down there 5-10 minutes after the game is over isn't that much fun...she realized that. We did, however, see a bunch of recruits, so that was fun.
Our section had a BLAST at the game. I still swear to God Leland sits right behind me.
As for the gameplan, I loved it because he wasn't stubborn and pretty much conceded that we weren't going to be able to impose our will on UT in the running game, but used it just enough to keep them honest.
I LOVE the deep ball being added to the arsenal. It's been fun to watch the offense evolve...really wish they had just started out the season with Freeman. I guess I understand why they didn't, but it seems like cutting his teeth against Ill. State and the likes might have been easier..
Gotta beat ku now.
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The title and premise of this thread is assinine.......
Snyder was the ultimate "bold and daring." He was a trailblazing pioneer in the sport of college football as it's played today.
Think about the number of people utilizing the QB in the way they are today...He!!, in watching Texas I thought I was watching KSU circa, '97....coaches have copied what Snyder introduced. People say KSU became Nebraska in this time...they had it wrong...after Osborne left, Nebraska became KSU.
Think about the use of JUCO's
Think about scheduling
Think about the demand for control
Think about the commitment
Think about the coaches
It isn't always about trick plays.....it's about the ingenious use of plays.......Snyder was unbelievable in that regard....He was not afraid to take chances and was very aggressive....to suggest otherwise is incredibly naive.
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Were you that guy on the field last night drunkenly screaming at the students to respect Bill Snyder Family Stadium and rambling about us being in the Fiesta Bowl 3 years ago?
Um....no. I stood around and took in the atmosphere for a few minutes...walked down and out onto the track...saw Drinkgerm...wife figured out that being down on the field was pretty overrated, and we took off for the tailgate. Watched highlights for about an hour..picked up, went and dropped stuff off....drove through Aggieville and then went to Bob's for some grub before getting some sleep around 2.
Any more questions?
When did you decide all of a sudden that a good sporting event requires no emotion?
When the game was over, did you stand up politely, clap your hands like a english woman at a tea party and then fix your suit and help your wife up the stands making sure you politely said "Excuse me, I would like to pass by?"
Oh wait! You didn't have to because ALL THE OTHER GOD DAMNED FANS RAN ONTO THE FIELD!! WHAT FREAKIN' JACKASSES WERE THOSE????
I got a call from a couple of buddies that were old roomates of mine at KSU and they RAN ONTO THE FIELD. A couple of lumbering 40 year old men who understands that we just beat one of the best teams in the nation! Both from out of town, married, with kids, god damn, they knew exactly what to do.
Now I'm pissed. Had I been there, my fatass would have been on those goal posts trying to get KSU a new set installed for free. Don't do us any more favors when you decide to come out and cheer. I hope some douchebag student pours beer on Alexanders suit.
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Come on MJ..you know me better than that. No emotion? I still don't have a voice...
Rushing the field is a blast...
Walking down there 5-10 minutes after the game is over isn't that much fun...she realized that. We did, however, see a bunch of recruits, so that was fun.
Our section had a BLAST at the game. I still swear to God Leland sits right behind me.
As for the gameplan, I loved it because he wasn't stubborn and pretty much conceded that we weren't going to be able to impose our will on UT in the running game, but used it just enough to keep them honest.
I LOVE the deep ball being added to the arsenal. It's been fun to watch the offense evolve...really wish they had just started out the season with Freeman. I guess I understand why they didn't, but it seems like cutting his teeth against Ill. State and the likes might have been easier..
Gotta beat ku now.
You take yourself way too seriously. Check emoticon on the message. It was all tongue in cheek.
I know you're a great fan and proud to have you in the group.
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Must have missed the sarcasm...my meter is malfunctioning again.
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Reply to Original topic.
We have had real big trouble recruiting juco D-ends lately with LHBS and assistants.
But you have to give them credit for the RB's and Ian Campbell.
I think this team was turning it around but the Oline would also be different than now.
Boss & Spex might be starting. We might have been better at running against UT but not passing.
Tough to really say. It's always matchups. UT has a wall of a front 7 on D.
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The title and premise of this thread is assinine.......
You made some sound points after this but the fact remains that Snyder, as a gameday coach, became *very* conservative over time and it bit him in the ass during his final two seasons. It's entirely reasonable to ask whether the late-career Bill Snyder would have defeated Texas Saturday.
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What the hell are you douche bags arguing about? Let it go, Snyder was great and we have him to thank for the traditions that were carried out on Saturday night, now we've got a new coach that likes to call a more exciting type of game. Its a win-win situation!
Come on boys, its 2 days after we beat the #4 team in the country and you want to piss and moan about the past, think of the present and future... its very bright!