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MANHATTAN, Kan. | “Big Monday” erased the remaining doubts.
Anyone still suspicious of the Kansas State Wildcats’ top-10 ranking, their bid to unseat Kansas as Big 12 champ and their threat to make a run all the way to the Final Four probably didn’t watch ESPN on Monday night.
It was quite a show of brute force, a coming-out party for Jamar Samuels, Curtis Kelly and the supporting cast heretofore overshadowed by guards Denis Clemente and Jacob Pullen.
The Wildcats mauled No. 1 Texas, feeding off an electric crowd inside Bramlage Coliseum, beating the previously unbeaten Longhorns 71-62.
You had to see it to appreciate the statement it made.
On a night when Pullen and Clemente — K-State’s top scorers and perimeter shooters — combined to shoot four of 24 from the field, the Wildcats never trailed by more than a point in the second half and pretty much controlled the game from start to finish.
Frank Martin has assembled a team. This K-State squad is nothing like the 2007-08 team that knocked off No. 2 Kansas at Bramlage, won an NCAA Tournament game and climbed into the polls thanks almost exclusively to the raw talent of Michael Beasley and Bill Walker.
Pullen and Clemente were terrible Monday night. Clemente scored just five points. He sank two of nine shots. Worse, he missed six of seven free throws. Pullen was just as bad, missing 13 of 15 shots, including all six three-pointers he launched. Pullen turned the ball over five times.
No way anyone envisioned the Wildcats’ winning this game with Pullen and Clemente playing so poorly. Last year, when K-State beat Texas, Clemente scored 44 points.
This squad — this program — has made amazing strides. The Wildcats beat the best team in the country while making one three-pointer.
Their post players were that good on both ends of the court.
The Longhorns had no answer for Samuels and Kelly in the paint. Samuels dominated the first half, scoring 15 points before the break. Kelly took over the second half, notching 10 of his 17 points in the final 20 minutes.
They simply showed more heart, muscle and athletic ability than Texas’ more acclaimed frontcourt players, Damion James and Dexter Pittman (a combined 15 points on six-of-19 shooting).
Samuels, Kelly and Luis Colon made the Texas post players look soft. As good as Samuels and Kelly were on the offensive end, Colon was their equal at the defensive end.
Colon, K-State’s starting center, is short on athletic ability but he’s quite adept at getting to the right spot at the right time. Colon repeatedly thwarted Texas drives into the lane with good positioning and elevated arms. His stat sheet was unimpressive (two points, five rebounds and 18 minutes). His contribution was immense.
“Luis Colon played his tail off,” Martin said in his postgame radio interview.
Colon, to some degree, perfectly epitomizes what Frank Martin has accomplished at K-State. Colon and Martin don’t look the part. Colon has no business being a starter on a top-10 basketball team.
Martin has no business building a top-10 team in Manhattan, Kan. That’s not a knock on Martin. He’s proved he can coach the game. He’s proved he can motivate players. It’s just that it was impossible to see this coming.
The K-State administration spent nearly two decades looking for its Frank Martin, a coach capable of returning the school to its basketball glory days. And Frank Martin falls into the lap of the school when Bob Huggins bails on the program?
Wow. Martin now has three victories over top-10 teams in only three years as head coach. In the infancy of his Division I coaching career, Martin looks the equal of Huggins, who left for his alma mater with a belief that what Martin is doing at K-State was an impossibility.
This is looking like another Miracle in Manhattan, and Martin is looking like the national coach of the year.
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MANHATTAN, Kan. | “Big Monday” erased the remaining doubts.
Anyone still suspicious of the Kansas State Wildcats’ top-10 ranking, their bid to unseat Kansas as Big 12 champ and their threat to make a run all the way to the Final Four probably didn’t watch ESPN on Monday night.
It was quite a show of brute force, a coming-out party for Jamar Samuels, Curtis Kelly and the supporting cast heretofore overshadowed by guards Denis Clemente and Jacob Pullen.
The Wildcats mauled No. 1 Texas, feeding off an electric crowd inside Bramlage Coliseum, beating the previously unbeaten Longhorns 71-62.
You had to see it to appreciate the statement it made.
On a night when Pullen and Clemente — K-State’s top scorers and perimeter shooters — combined to shoot four of 24 from the field, the Wildcats never trailed by more than a point in the second half and pretty much controlled the game from start to finish.
Frank Martin has assembled a team. This K-State squad is nothing like the 2007-08 team that knocked off No. 2 Kansas at Bramlage, won an NCAA Tournament game and climbed into the polls thanks almost exclusively to the raw talent of Michael Beasley and Bill Walker.
Pullen and Clemente were terrible Monday night. Clemente scored just five points. He sank two of nine shots. Worse, he missed six of seven free throws. Pullen was just as bad, missing 13 of 15 shots, including all six three-pointers he launched. Pullen turned the ball over five times.
No way anyone envisioned the Wildcats’ winning this game with Pullen and Clemente playing so poorly. Last year, when K-State beat Texas, Clemente scored 44 points.
This squad — this program — has made amazing strides. The Wildcats beat the best team in the country while making one three-pointer.
Their post players were that good on both ends of the court.
The Longhorns had no answer for Samuels and Kelly in the paint. Samuels dominated the first half, scoring 15 points before the break. Kelly took over the second half, notching 10 of his 17 points in the final 20 minutes.
They simply showed more heart, muscle and athletic ability than Texas’ more acclaimed frontcourt players, Damion James and Dexter Pittman (a combined 15 points on six-of-19 shooting).
Samuels, Kelly and Luis Colon made the Texas post players look soft. As good as Samuels and Kelly were on the offensive end, Colon was their equal at the defensive end.
Colon, K-State’s starting center, is short on athletic ability but he’s quite adept at getting to the right spot at the right time. Colon repeatedly thwarted Texas drives into the lane with good positioning and elevated arms. His stat sheet was unimpressive (two points, five rebounds and 18 minutes). His contribution was immense.
“Luis Colon played his tail off,” Martin said in his postgame radio interview.
Colon, to some degree, perfectly epitomizes what Frank Martin has accomplished at K-State. Colon and Martin don’t look the part. Colon has no business being a starter on a top-10 basketball team.
Martin has no business building a top-10 team in Manhattan, Kan. That’s not a knock on Martin. He’s proved he can coach the game. He’s proved he can motivate players. It’s just that it was impossible to see this coming.
The K-State administration spent nearly two decades looking for its Frank Martin, a coach capable of returning the school to its basketball glory days. And Frank Martin falls into the lap of the school when Bob Huggins bails on the program?
Wow. Martin now has three victories over top-10 teams in only three years as head coach. In the infancy of his Division I coaching career, Martin looks the equal of Huggins, who left for his alma mater with a belief that what Martin is doing at K-State was an impossibility.
This is looking like another Miracle in Manhattan, and Martin is looking like the national coach of the year.
:love: makes me hate fatlock less.
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When JW walked into the arena tonight, he got it pretty hard. Lots of "&@#% you Whitlock"s and "Keep walking fat ass"s. He kind of laughed it off though.
Great article.
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MANHATTAN, Kan. | “Big Monday” erased the remaining doubts.
Anyone still suspicious of the Kansas State Wildcats’ top-10 ranking, their bid to unseat Kansas as Big 12 champ and their threat to make a run all the way to the Final Four probably didn’t watch ESPN on Monday night.
It was quite a show of brute force, a coming-out party for Jamar Samuels, Curtis Kelly and the supporting cast heretofore overshadowed by guards Denis Clemente and Jacob Pullen.
The Wildcats mauled No. 1 Texas, feeding off an electric crowd inside Bramlage Coliseum, beating the previously unbeaten Longhorns 71-62.
You had to see it to appreciate the statement it made.
On a night when Pullen and Clemente — K-State’s top scorers and perimeter shooters — combined to shoot four of 24 from the field, the Wildcats never trailed by more than a point in the second half and pretty much controlled the game from start to finish.
Frank Martin has assembled a team. This K-State squad is nothing like the 2007-08 team that knocked off No. 2 Kansas at Bramlage, won an NCAA Tournament game and climbed into the polls thanks almost exclusively to the raw talent of Michael Beasley and Bill Walker.
Pullen and Clemente were terrible Monday night. Clemente scored just five points. He sank two of nine shots. Worse, he missed six of seven free throws. Pullen was just as bad, missing 13 of 15 shots, including all six three-pointers he launched. Pullen turned the ball over five times.
No way anyone envisioned the Wildcats’ winning this game with Pullen and Clemente playing so poorly. Last year, when K-State beat Texas, Clemente scored 44 points.
This squad — this program — has made amazing strides. The Wildcats beat the best team in the country while making one three-pointer.
Their post players were that good on both ends of the court.
The Longhorns had no answer for Samuels and Kelly in the paint. Samuels dominated the first half, scoring 15 points before the break. Kelly took over the second half, notching 10 of his 17 points in the final 20 minutes.
They simply showed more heart, muscle and athletic ability than Texas’ more acclaimed frontcourt players, Damion James and Dexter Pittman (a combined 15 points on six-of-19 shooting).
Samuels, Kelly and Luis Colon made the Texas post players look soft. As good as Samuels and Kelly were on the offensive end, Colon was their equal at the defensive end.
Colon, K-State’s starting center, is short on athletic ability but he’s quite adept at getting to the right spot at the right time. Colon repeatedly thwarted Texas drives into the lane with good positioning and elevated arms. His stat sheet was unimpressive (two points, five rebounds and 18 minutes). His contribution was immense.
“Luis Colon played his tail off,” Martin said in his postgame radio interview.
Colon, to some degree, perfectly epitomizes what Frank Martin has accomplished at K-State. Colon and Martin don’t look the part. Colon has no business being a starter on a top-10 basketball team.
Martin has no business building a top-10 team in Manhattan, Kan. That’s not a knock on Martin. He’s proved he can coach the game. He’s proved he can motivate players. It’s just that it was impossible to see this coming.
The K-State administration spent nearly two decades looking for its Frank Martin, a coach capable of returning the school to its basketball glory days. And Frank Martin falls into the lap of the school when Bob Huggins bails on the program?
Wow. Martin now has three victories over top-10 teams in only three years as head coach. In the infancy of his Division I coaching career, Martin looks the equal of Huggins, who left for his alma mater with a belief that what Martin is doing at K-State was an impossibility.
This is looking like another Miracle in Manhattan, and Martin is looking like the national coach of the year.
WTFrank? You're an idiot Mr. Hut.
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Good article. Glad to see Whit earn his pay with a quality article. Critical, yet fair.
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Another great article about the game, this one from Bob Lutz...
http://www.kansas.com/sports/lutz/story/1142472.html
Both of these columnists were pretty well known for being KSU bashers, now....after a visit to the OOD, they are KSU believers. :kstatriot: :combofan:
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awesome.
breathe it in emaw.
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This all feels sort of...unnatural.
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Thank you Jason. Thank you.
from lutz's
I swear I saw him give a dirty look to K-State football coach Bill Snyder, who sits about five rows behind the bench.
lmao.
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Thank you Jason. Thank you.
from lutz's
I swear I saw him give a dirty look to K-State football coach Bill Snyder, who sits about five rows behind the bench.
lmao.
The Horns did their best to match K-State's physical play, but there might not be a team in the country that can do so.
Read more: http://www.kansas.com/sports/lutz/story/1142472.html#ixzz0d2U1j4Rn
:love: :dancin:
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Thank you Jason. Thank you.
from lutz's
I swear I saw him give a dirty look to K-State football coach Bill Snyder, who sits about five rows behind the bench.
lmao.
Must be upset about our fball recruiting. Dalonte up! :combofan:
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Andy Katz:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=4838061
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MANHATTAN, Kan. | “Big Monday” erased the remaining doubts.
Anyone still suspicious of the Kansas State Wildcats’ top-10 ranking, their bid to unseat Kansas as Big 12 champ and their threat to make a run all the way to the Final Four probably didn’t watch ESPN on Monday night.
It was quite a show of brute force, a coming-out party for Jamar Samuels, Curtis Kelly and the supporting cast heretofore overshadowed by guards Denis Clemente and Jacob Pullen.
The Wildcats mauled No. 1 Texas, feeding off an electric crowd inside Bramlage Coliseum, beating the previously unbeaten Longhorns 71-62.
You had to see it to appreciate the statement it made.
On a night when Pullen and Clemente — K-State’s top scorers and perimeter shooters — combined to shoot four of 24 from the field, the Wildcats never trailed by more than a point in the second half and pretty much controlled the game from start to finish.
Frank Martin has assembled a team. This K-State squad is nothing like the 2007-08 team that knocked off No. 2 Kansas at Bramlage, won an NCAA Tournament game and climbed into the polls thanks almost exclusively to the raw talent of Michael Beasley and Bill Walker.
Pullen and Clemente were terrible Monday night. Clemente scored just five points. He sank two of nine shots. Worse, he missed six of seven free throws. Pullen was just as bad, missing 13 of 15 shots, including all six three-pointers he launched. Pullen turned the ball over five times.
No way anyone envisioned the Wildcats’ winning this game with Pullen and Clemente playing so poorly. Last year, when K-State beat Texas, Clemente scored 44 points.
This squad — this program — has made amazing strides. The Wildcats beat the best team in the country while making one three-pointer.
Their post players were that good on both ends of the court.
The Longhorns had no answer for Samuels and Kelly in the paint. Samuels dominated the first half, scoring 15 points before the break. Kelly took over the second half, notching 10 of his 17 points in the final 20 minutes.
They simply showed more heart, muscle and athletic ability than Texas’ more acclaimed frontcourt players, Damion James and Dexter Pittman (a combined 15 points on six-of-19 shooting).
Samuels, Kelly and Luis Colon made the Texas post players look soft. As good as Samuels and Kelly were on the offensive end, Colon was their equal at the defensive end.
Colon, K-State’s starting center, is short on athletic ability but he’s quite adept at getting to the right spot at the right time. Colon repeatedly thwarted Texas drives into the lane with good positioning and elevated arms. His stat sheet was unimpressive (two points, five rebounds and 18 minutes). His contribution was immense.
“Luis Colon played his tail off,” Martin said in his postgame radio interview.
Colon, to some degree, perfectly epitomizes what Frank Martin has accomplished at K-State. Colon and Martin don’t look the part. Colon has no business being a starter on a top-10 basketball team.
Martin has no business building a top-10 team in Manhattan, Kan. That’s not a knock on Martin. He’s proved he can coach the game. He’s proved he can motivate players. It’s just that it was impossible to see this coming.
The K-State administration spent nearly two decades looking for its Frank Martin, a coach capable of returning the school to its basketball glory days. And Frank Martin falls into the lap of the school when Bob Huggins bails on the program?
Wow. Martin now has three victories over top-10 teams in only three years as head coach. In the infancy of his Division I coaching career, Martin looks the equal of Huggins, who left for his alma mater with a belief that what Martin is doing at K-State was an impossibility.
This is looking like another Miracle in Manhattan, and Martin is looking like the national coach of the year.
WTFrank? You're an idiot Mr. Hut.
I think that was a very factual statement, if you've only watched this one KSU game. Colon did his part just about perfectly tonight. His part being: Be big. Get to a spot on the court to impede the other team. Stand tall, put your arms up as high as possible, don't foul too much, and block a shot if you can. Dude doesn't have a whole lot of athletic ability but (when he plays within his skill set) he tends to do a decent job for us. It's when he tries to do too much that he becomes a liability. That said, imagine this team with Spri at center next year! :love:
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Kerkoff joining in too
Samuels leads K-State front line attack
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MANHATTAN, Kan. | Late in the first half, an exhausted Jamar Samuels trailed on the break, and it’s little wonder. Nobody in a Kansas State uniform was working harder.
But the Wildcats knew this possession couldn’t pass without the ball touching Samuels’ hands.
Denis Clemente waited and found Samuels at the top of the key. Catch, set, swish.
Off came the Bramlage Coliseum roof as Kansas State soared to a 14-point lead.
It was that kind of night for Samuels and the No. 10 Wildcats, who brought down top-ranked Texas 71-62 with some unexpected excellence from their front court.
Not that Kansas State isn’t tough up front. But it’s not the usual scoring source.
Samuels finished with 20 points, and Curtis Kelly, in perhaps his best overall game after transferring from Connecticut, had 17.
And they were tough on the boards: Samuels’ 12 rebounds helped Kansas State to a 42-34 margin against a Texas team that entered the game averaging 45 rebounds and 9.2 rebounds more than opponents.
Kansas State needed all it could get from its bigs.
Their top two scorers, Jacob Pullen and Denis Clemente shot a combined four for 24 from the floor and missed all eight three-point attempts.
The game’s strengths figured to be K-State’s backcourt against the Longhorns’ rugged frontcourt.
Texas had carved out a 17-0 record by dominating opponents inside. Damion James, who plays mostly on the wing, had become the Big 12’s career rebounding leader last week. He finished with nine points, locked down defensively by Kelly and Samuels.
Neither team’s top performers held up their end of the bargain, and the Wildcats won this one up front.
Besides the scoring from Samuels and Kelly, Luis Colon excelled on the defensive end.
Colon helped keep Texas center Dexter Pittman in check.
Samuels entered the game as Kansas State’s third-leading scorer at 12.1 points, but nobody has been more consistent.
He’s scored in double figures in all but two games, and Monday marked his 10th straight game with at least 10.
The late second-half spurt broke open a close game. Samuels scored seven points in 63 seconds, capped by the three- pointer, which was the Wildcats’ only deep ball of the night. He also had six rebounds, including three on the offensive end.
Samuels didn’t start Monday and usually doesn’t. But there was a noticeable burst of energy when he entered the game.
As Texas pecked away at a 10-point halftime deficit with Samuels on the bench, taking the lead at 44-43, Samuels helped restore the Wildcats’ advantage with a lay-in off a Pullen lob pass.
Pullen finished with 12 points and helped secure the outcome at the free-throw line, and Samuels pitched in here, too, knocking down a free one that made it 69-60 with 27 seconds remaining.
By then, the frenzied Bramlage Coliseum crowd could smell the victory in the most important game in the 22-year history of the building. It was the first meeting between top-10 teams, and the victory was the Wildcats’ first over a top-ranked team since 1994.
And it was led by Kansas State’s front liners.
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^^^Your copy/paste skills suck. Good article though.
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all of this love.... its overwhelming!
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It was a great win for K-State, and i was really impressed with the atmosphere, but I came away thinking that both teams played like sh*t. Jamar Samuels played well, and the defense was solid, but both teams (especially Texas) took poor shots and looked lost at times.
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It was a great win for K-State, and i was really impressed with the atmosphere, but I came away thinking that both teams played like sh*t. Jamar Samuels played well, and the defense was solid, but both teams (especially Texas) took poor shots and looked lost at times.
Come on BMW. You've watched basketball a long time, or at least you claim. This happens sometimes, especially when defensive minded teams play. It was just a grinder and we were the more physical team. Frankly, I'm sick of the "UT is terrible" crap from ku fans. UT played terrible b/c we forced them to play terrible, and honestly, we weren't great on offense b/c this is probably Barnes' best defensive team as well.
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It was a great win for K-State, and i was really impressed with the atmosphere, but I came away thinking that both teams played like sh*t. Jamar Samuels played well, and the defense was solid, but both teams (especially Texas) took poor shots and looked lost at times.
Come on BMW. You've watched basketball a long time, or at least you claim. This happens sometimes, especially when defensive minded teams play. It was just a grinder and we were the more physical team. Frankly, I'm sick of the "UT is terrible" crap from ku fans. UT played terrible b/c we forced them to play terrible, and honestly, we weren't great on offense b/c this is probably Barnes' best defensive team as well.
Beat me to it, nicely put _Fan
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It was a great win for K-State, and i was really impressed with the atmosphere, but I came away thinking that both teams played like sh*t. Jamar Samuels played well, and the defense was solid, but both teams (especially Texas) took poor shots and looked lost at times.
Totally true. In comparison, all of Tennessee's 6 scholarship players made perfect shot selections the entire game against uk. Your sad desperation is becoming alarming Ben, You're not going to off yourself while logged onto ksufans, are you? Who am I kidding? Odds are you off yourself at some point anyway and we all know you're logged on to this board 24/7... :suicideispainless:
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It was a great win for K-State, and i was really impressed with the atmosphere, but I came away thinking that both teams played like sh*t. Jamar Samuels played well, and the defense was solid, but both teams (especially Texas) took poor shots and looked lost at times.
It's the style of play, have you watched K-State this year? Did you watch any of Bob Huggins teams play anywhere? If you aren't going to be a gigantic vag and disappear you should say the same thing at about 10:30PM on January 30th.
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That 2nd half was ugly. That's okay, though... it's the sign of a good team when you can win ugly. That's what Bill Self wants out of ku. When your offense isn't coming easy, you've got to be able to rely on your defense. K-State's defensive intensity was outstanding and the crowd had a lot to do with it. I thought the interior defense for K-State was especially impressive.
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It was a great win for K-State, and i was really impressed with the atmosphere, but I came away thinking that both teams played like sh*t. Jamar Samuels played well, and the defense was solid, but both teams (especially Texas) took poor shots and looked lost at times.
It's the style of play, have you watched K-State this year? Did you watch any of Bob Huggins teams play anywhere? If you aren't going to be a gigantic vag and disappear you should say the same thing at about 10:30PM on January 30th.
You prob haven't been around long enough, but Ben's meltdowns are epic. Dude posted like 20 times a day for years. Deleted his own account numerous times. Totally disappeared for a few months during this previous football season. His meltdown follwing a uk loss to KSU in basketball MAY actually be more incredible than his meltdown RE: His fat little girlfriend's cum guzzling habits with Thomas Clayton and his buddies. I present to you, exhibit A:
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/Joker4KSU/TagTeam.jpg (http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/Joker4KSU/TagTeam.jpg)
edited to hypertext link - cyclist
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What's with all the hostility, JT? Your fav team just beat Texas, and all you can do is be a prick.
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It was a great win for K-State, and i was really impressed with the atmosphere, but I came away thinking that both teams played like sh*t. Jamar Samuels played well, and the defense was solid, but both teams (especially Texas) took poor shots and looked lost at times.
It's the style of play, have you watched K-State this year? Did you watch any of Bob Huggins teams play anywhere? If you aren't going to be a gigantic vag and disappear you should say the same thing at about 10:30PM on January 30th.
You prob haven't been around long enough, but Ben's meltdowns are epic. Dude posted like 20 times a day for years. Deleted his own account numerous times. Totally disappeared for a few months during this previous football season. His meltdown follwing a uk loss to KSU in basketball MAY actually be more incredible than his meltdown RE: His fat little girlfriend's cum guzzling habits with Thomas Clayton and his buddies. I present to you, exhibit A:
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/Joker4KSU/TagTeam.jpg (http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/Joker4KSU/TagTeam.jpg)
edited to hypertext link - cyclist
LOL
but srsly who would date that?
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It was a great win for K-State, and i was really impressed with the atmosphere, but I came away thinking that both teams played like sh*t. Jamar Samuels played well, and the defense was solid, but both teams (especially Texas) took poor shots and looked lost at times.
talk about coming out and acting like a prick.
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It was a great win for K-State, and i was really impressed with the atmosphere, but I came away thinking that both teams played like sh*t. Jamar Samuels played well, and the defense was solid, but both teams (especially Texas) took poor shots and looked lost at times.
you went to the game? otherwise stfu
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Another great article about the game, this one from Bob Lutz...
http://www.kansas.com/sports/lutz/story/1142472.html
Both of these columnists were pretty well known for being KSU bashers, now....after a visit to the OOD, they are KSU believers. :kstatriot: :combofan:
That Lutz article is anything but great.
"The Longhorns looked as if they decided at the half that they were going to match the five Jack Bauers K-State was putting on the court with a quintet of John McClanes from the "Die Hard" movies.
But one of the things we learned Monday is that Jack Bauer can whip John McClane ..."
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Another great article about the game, this one from Bob Lutz...
http://www.kansas.com/sports/lutz/story/1142472.html
Both of these columnists were pretty well known for being KSU bashers, now....after a visit to the OOD, they are KSU believers. :kstatriot: :combofan:
That Lutz article is anything but great.
"The Longhorns looked as if they decided at the half that they were going to match the five Jack Bauers K-State was putting on the court with a quintet of John McClanes from the "Die Hard" movies.
But one of the things we learned Monday is that Jack Bauer can whip John McClane ..."
pretty stupid analogy, yes.