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Title: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: BMWJhawk on January 14, 2010, 01:21:10 PM
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How many McDonald's All-Americans does it take to beat the College of Charleston, or keep it within double digits against Clemson?  Apparently seven isn't enough.  Kind of puts what Bill Self did last year, after losing all five starters from a national championship team, into perspective, huh? 
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: Saulbadguy on January 14, 2010, 01:22:28 PM
What exactly did Bill Self do last year?

Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: WillieWannabe on January 14, 2010, 01:23:35 PM
i bet his 2nd team could win the big 12.











 :peek:
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: 5601js on January 14, 2010, 01:23:39 PM
We don't really care.
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 14, 2010, 01:28:02 PM
I think we have another China Syndrome event brewing here kids.

Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: mcmwcat on January 14, 2010, 01:35:12 PM
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Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: mcmwcat on January 14, 2010, 01:35:41 PM
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Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: Joker on January 14, 2010, 01:51:35 PM
Absolutely.  Except for the times he won the championship.
Title: Roy has 2 titles
Post by: The Kaiser on January 14, 2010, 02:15:27 PM
at UNC, definately not a "garbage" coach.  In fact, probably the best damn basketball coach ever to walk the face of the earth.  Too bad he couldn't benefit from his opponents melting down in the last 90 seconds or maybe he could have lucked into a title at ku too.
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: cireksu on January 14, 2010, 02:28:15 PM
2 titles.  Not garbage. Young team
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: VivaLaEMAW on January 14, 2010, 02:30:54 PM
I think it's more indicative of the weak McD All American team picks.  Just look around a bit at the others.   :peek:
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: BMWJhawk on January 14, 2010, 02:33:01 PM
So Roy Williams isn't held to the same standard as Bill Self?  Got it.
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 14, 2010, 02:53:13 PM
Didn't Doug Compton pay all that money Collins and Aldrich so that ku would return the type of veteran leadership that UNC had last year Ben??

BTW . . . your little hissy fits of late are extremely  :lol:
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: Pett on January 14, 2010, 02:56:46 PM
What exactly did Bill Self do last year?

Lost to 5-11 (in Phillips 66 play) Baylor in their first game of the Big XII tournament...... :lol:
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: Chingon on January 14, 2010, 03:03:37 PM
no roy williams is not a garbage coach.  a garbage dresser, yes (especially in the glasses dept yikes roy yikes). 
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: BMWJhawk on January 14, 2010, 03:30:54 PM
What exactly did Bill Self do last year?





1.  Won a fifth straight Big 12 title by finishing 14-2 in conference

2.  Finished in the top 10 after losing all five starters from a national championship team

3.  Won AP National Coach of the Year




 :thumbsup:



Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: BMWJhawk on January 14, 2010, 03:35:02 PM
Also, keep in mind that the last time Roy Williams coached against Bill Self, Self's team won by 18 points.
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: PowercatPat on January 14, 2010, 03:39:22 PM
Also, keep in mind that the last time Roy Williams coached against Bill Self, Self's team won by 18 points.

 :squawkgoalpost:
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: LimestoneOutcropping on January 14, 2010, 04:06:16 PM
What exactly did Bill Self do last year?





1.  Won a fifth straight Big 12 title by finishing 14-2 in conference

2.  Finished in the top 10 after losing all five starters from a national championship team

3.  Won AP National Coach of the Year




 :thumbsup:





Mangino won coach of the year too.
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: QuinnMac on January 14, 2010, 05:06:32 PM
Also, keep in mind that the last time Roy Williams coached against Bill Self, Self's team won by 18 points.
:valkwho:
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: bry4321 on January 14, 2010, 05:10:04 PM

3.  Won AP National "Coach-them-down" of the Year for downgrading NBA talent to multi-year college role players




 :thumbsup:




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Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 14, 2010, 05:10:58 PM

3.  Won AP National "Coach-them-down" of the Year for downgrading NBA talent to multi-year college role players




 :thumbsup:




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Post more bry
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: WillieWannabe on January 14, 2010, 05:12:04 PM

3.  Won AP National "Coach-them-down" of the Year for downgrading NBA talent to multi-year college role players




 :thumbsup:





Post more bry

and learn how to quote.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: BMWJhawk on January 14, 2010, 06:01:55 PM
This is getting ugly, folks.  I'm gonna have to call off the dogs.
 





:ohno:
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: JTKSU on January 14, 2010, 11:07:03 PM
This is getting ugly, folks.  I'm gonna have to call off the dogs.
 





:ohno:

How many of UNC's losses were to teams with only 6 scholarship players?

Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: QuinnMac on January 15, 2010, 08:46:48 AM
This is getting ugly, folks.  I'm gonna have to call off the dogs.
:ohno:

How many of UNC's losses were to teams with only 6 scholarship players?


But, but... they beat SEC powerhouse Auburn.
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: BMWJhawk on January 16, 2010, 03:22:43 PM
UNC:  12-6


Apparently seven McDonald's All-Americans isn't enough to beat Georgia Tech at home.
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: EMAWMIKE on January 16, 2010, 03:37:53 PM
UNC:  12-6


Apparently seven McDonald's All-Americans isn't enough to beat Georgia Tech at home.
Carolina is not good, enough said
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: Sherron4life on January 16, 2010, 04:07:23 PM
What exactly did Bill Self do last year?

Lost to 5-11 (in Phillips 66 play) Baylor in their first game of the Big XII tournament...... :lol:

ok? He also won the big 12 and got to the sweet 16 idiot.
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: Dirty Sanchez on January 16, 2010, 04:09:35 PM
What exactly did Bill Self do last year?

Lost to 5-11 (in Phillips 66 play) Baylor in their first game of the Big XII tournament...... :lol:

He had a sweet 16 party?  Hope the tiara didn't damage the hair plugs.

ok? He also won the big 12 and got to the sweet 16 idiot.
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: BMWJhawk on January 16, 2010, 04:32:28 PM
When was the last time K-State won the Big 12 and went to the Sweet Sixteen? 
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: Sherron4life on January 16, 2010, 04:57:08 PM
When was the last time K-State won the Big 12 and went to the Sweet Sixteen? 

 :clap:
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: JTKSU on January 16, 2010, 11:59:44 PM
When was the last time K-State won the Big 12 and went to the Sweet Sixteen? 

When was the last time you bedded a chick under 2 bills AND didn't have to pay for it?
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: QuinnMac on January 17, 2010, 10:01:18 AM
When was the last time K-State won the Big 12 and went to the Sweet Sixteen? 

When was the last time you bedded a chick under 2 bills AND didn't have to pay for it?
:eek:
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: BMWJhawk on January 21, 2010, 11:40:28 PM
UNC now sitting firmly on the bubble at 12-7, despite having seven McDonald's All-Americans.
 




:billypopcorn:
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: TheCatsMeow on January 21, 2010, 11:50:57 PM
UNC now sitting firmly on the bubble at 12-7, despite having seven McDonald's All-Americans.
 




:billypopcorn:

Ok ok ok... we get it you are an attention whore.  Can we please move on to something we do care about. 
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: Prince McJunkins on January 22, 2010, 12:21:01 AM
UNC now sitting firmly on the bubble at 12-7, despite having seven McDonald's All-Americans.
 




:billypopcorn:

Trouble on the home front? :dunno:
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: JTKSU on January 22, 2010, 02:07:05 PM
UNC now sitting firmly on the bubble at 12-7, despite having seven McDonald's All-Americans.
 




:billypopcorn:

Wow, now you're seeking validation in a former coach's struggles?  Talk about a jilted lover.
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: BMWJhawk on January 22, 2010, 02:42:58 PM
But, but, but.... it's easy to go 27-8 and win a conference title the following season after losing all five starters off of a national championship team. 
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: TheMadCatter on January 22, 2010, 02:50:58 PM
But, but, but.... it's easy to go 27-8 and win a conference title the following season after losing all five starters off of a national championship team. 

Just because Roy isn't doing what Bill Self did doesn't mean Bill Self is some groundbreaking pioneer of the coaching world. It is easy to do. Roy is just f*cking it up. Bill accomplished what he should have.
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: BMWJhawk on January 22, 2010, 02:52:52 PM
Bill Self didn't win AP National Coach of the Year for simply "doing what he was supposed to do."  It's not easy.... if you need proof just take a look at UNC.
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: WildcatNkilt on January 22, 2010, 02:55:23 PM
Bill Self didn't win AP National Coach of the Year for simply "doing what he was supposed to do."  It's not easy.... if you need proof just take a look at UNC.

Your anger for Roy leaving and being successful as UNC is noted, but that was a long time ago.  Move on....
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: BMWJhawk on January 22, 2010, 03:12:56 PM
Bill Self is a better coach than Roy Williams.
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: QuinnMac on January 22, 2010, 03:36:34 PM
Bill Self didn't win AP National Coach of the Year for simply "doing what he was supposed to do."  It's not easy.... if you need proof just take a look at UNC.

Your anger for Roy leaving and being successful as UNC is noted, but that was a long time ago.  Move on....
please get over it.
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: Rick Daris on January 22, 2010, 03:45:20 PM
Also, keep in mind that the last time Roy Williams coached against Bill Self, Self's team won by 18 points.

ron prince is 2-0 lifetime against mack brown. why can't ku fans just be happy that they have a top 20 college basketball coach in bill self? i mean he really is a nice coach. not roy williams. but still really nice.
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: PowercatPat on January 22, 2010, 04:48:37 PM
Bill Self is a better coach than Roy Williams.

How many national championships does Self have compared to Williams?

 :confused:
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: BMWJhawk on January 22, 2010, 05:49:02 PM
Also, keep in mind that the last time Roy Williams coached against Bill Self, Self's team won by 18 points.

ron prince is 2-0 lifetime against mack brown. why can't ku fans just be happy that they have a top 20 college basketball coach in bill self? i mean he really is a nice coach. not roy williams. but still really nice.




Self's team also beat Roy's team by double digits in '01 in the Sweet Sixteen.  Self owns Roy. 
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: BMWJhawk on January 22, 2010, 05:50:08 PM
Bill Self is a better coach than Roy Williams.

How many national championships does Self have compared to Williams?

 :confused:




How long has Self been coaching at a top tier school compared to Roy Williams?  How old is Bill Self compared to Roy Williams?
 




:confused:


Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: cireksu on January 22, 2010, 05:54:50 PM
Answer.  Roy Williams has twice as many Titles.

Think about how many more he'd have if he left the first go around

:eek:
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: cireksu on January 22, 2010, 05:57:36 PM
Also, Self Has a title Williams actually coached and won his.
Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 22, 2010, 05:59:19 PM
Roy Williams walked into a ku basketball program on probation (as per usual) that had pretty much lost everybody and went 19-12, the next year he went 30-5.  The next year he took ku to the Final Four.  

Roy Williams 1st round NCAA tourney losses . . . none.

Title: Re: Is Roy Williams a "garbage" coach?
Post by: cireksu on January 22, 2010, 06:15:32 PM
Roy Williams walked into a ku basketball program on probation (as per usual) that had pretty much lost everybody and went 19-12, the next year he went 30-5.  The next year he took ku to the Final Four.  

Roy Williams 1st round NCAA tourney losses . . . none.



It's too bad he had to waste so much of his career waiting for that Egomaniac ku grad to retire.