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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: BMWJhawk on December 14, 2009, 04:14:49 PM
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How jealous are you guys right now (on a scale of 1 to 10)?
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1 being very jealous or not jealous at all? :confused:
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4.
Not jealous. Cautiously optimistic that he won't get it done.
Not even joking with you, bro.
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??? that this might make us jealous.
...................3? :dunno:
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Why weren't you this 'post happy' when you talked smack and then disappeared the second ku lost a game?
Poser, bandwagon or puzzy?
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BMW is a comically sandy vagina.
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About a 3 -- not jealous but mildly concerned.
But then again, I thought Hawk would be more of a threat at CU when he was first announced.
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seroiusly, BMW has to be some kind of sock. No real person could be so much of an attention whore/drama queen.
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20-30 I like our chances!
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I wanna say one, but if I'm honest with myself, prolly a 3. A 1 would mean that I pretty much know that he would suck. I think there's a chance he could be good.
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How jealous are you guys right now (on a scale of 1 to 10)?
as jealous as you were when we hired ron prince.
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1, and I'm being serious.
10, if you had hired Harbaugh. And I'm being serious.
Luckily you didn't.
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1.5
Gill is less well spoken and accomplished than Prince.
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Why isn't "ZERO" an option?
:confused:
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Does Gill have a binder? If so, how many rings does it have?
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How jealous are you guys right now (on a scale of 1 to 10)?
3, because I think he's a man of good character and has some small chance of being both successful and loyal. This is the kind of hire that gives ku a chance of capturing lightening like we did with LSnyder.
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On a 1 to 10 scale, rate the Gill hire on the LOLlers scale.
I go with 10.
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8 for LOLLERS. I mean they could have hired that chode from Minnechoda, and that definitely would've been astronomically lollerable.
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3ish. Gill is like a SLTH-y version of Prince. We'll call him Turner Wooldridge. Would probably be a 2, but his focus on recruiting on the press conference bumped it up.
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Last 3 D1 stops for Torbush has the fan base for each school :pray: for, and subsequently :dancin: with his departure.
No one quite understands how he got the job at Miss State.
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I think the cumulative board comments made to this point do a pretty good job of reflecting my thinking. KSU starts a new string of victories over ku. Snyder the legend > Gill. :steadymobbin':
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How jealous are you guys right now (on a scale of 1 to 10)?
What's to be jealous about? We've already hired a black coach?
:dunno:
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I like the comparisons to Wooly - everyone is going to love him on a personal level, and it will make you a little teary eyed when you have to fire him, which usually comes a year or two too late.
scale of 1-10... I am about a 2.
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Man, i never would have thought you guys were going to be this nervous. Gill is such a HUGE homerun!!!
:dancin: :drool:
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I'm legitimately thrilled with the hire. If uk would've allowed me to make the hire...this was my top choice for them. Not only will it be a trainwreck; it will be a mandatory 4-year trainwreck. No way you can fire the black guy in less than 4 years for sucking...not after we gave Prince 3.
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ku just hired a coach with a losing record, good luck with that.
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Man, i never would have thought you guys were going to be this nervous. Gill is such a HUGE homerun!!!
:dancin: :drool:
TG is a home run hire in the same manor that Tony Pena Jr. could hit them.
:royals:
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BMW is a comically sandy vagina.
:rofl:
And this pretty much nailed it: :D
8 for LOLLERS. I mean they could have hired that chode from Minnechoda, and that definitely would've been astronomically lollerable.
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ou fan nicname: Chuck "3rd and" Long
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I would relate this hire to Todd Haley of the Chiefs. A lot of buzz and uncertainty of what you really have. I find it humorous how they talk about the great turnaround at Buffalo. The guy went backwards this past year at a mid major. It would have to rate very low on the jealousy scale, I give a -1. He could be good, but most Wildcat fans were probably relieved when you didn't land Harbaugh.
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3ish. Gill is like a SLTH-y version of Prince. We'll call him Turner Wooldridge. Would probably be a 2, but his focus on recruiting on the press conference bumped it up.
"We'll stop recruiting when the Waffle House closes."
- Turner Prince
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Has a coach 10 games under .500 in his only HC job ever been promoted like this before? It seems unprecedented.
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Last 3 D1 stops for Torbush has the fan base for each school :pray: for, and subsequently :dancin: with his departure.
No one quite understands how he got the job at Miss State.
While he was there, he pwned Jesus himself.
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Last 3 D1 stops for Torbush has the fan base for each school :pray: for, and subsequently :dancin: with his departure.
No one quite understands how he got the job at Miss State.
It's hard not to like a guy who was the d-coordinator for Mack Brown.
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Has a coach 10 games under .500 in his only HC job ever been promoted like this before? It seems unprecedented.
Yeah, when you fail to have success in the MAC and get a B12 job it is very strange.
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The winner in this is Auburn because now they don't look so stupid for hiring Chizik
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Has a coach 10 games under .500 in his only HC job ever been promoted like this before? It seems unprecedented.
Yeah, when you fail to have success in the MAC and get a B12 job it is very strange.
I bet you wanted to get rid of Snyder after four years too.
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Has a coach 10 games under .500 in his only HC job ever been promoted like this before? It seems unprecedented.
Yeah, when you fail to have success in the MAC and get a B12 job it is very strange.
I bet you wanted to get rid of Snyder after four years too.
Frank Solich has had much more success in the MAC. You should have hired him (or any one of a million more qualified coaches)
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Has a coach 10 games under .500 in his only HC job ever been promoted like this before? It seems unprecedented.
Yeah, when you fail to have success in the MAC and get a B12 job it is very strange.
I bet you wanted to get rid of Snyder after four years too.
Frank Solich has had much more success in the MAC. You should have hired him (or any one of a million more qualified coaches)
Gill has been a head coach for four years. In two of those four (that's 50 percent for you Steve Dave), he was named MAC Coach of the Year by the coaches.
Three of his four seasons rank are the top three seasons Buffalo has had since joining D1A.
Apparently he did something right.
So were you, like, really embarrassed when you tried to get Snyder fired and then he turned around and won a bunch of games?
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Has a coach 10 games under .500 in his only HC job ever been promoted like this before? It seems unprecedented.
Yeah, when you fail to have success in the MAC and get a B12 job it is very strange.
I bet you wanted to get rid of Snyder after four years too.
Frank Solich has had much more success in the MAC. You should have hired him (or any one of a million more qualified coaches)
Gill has been a head coach for four years. In two of those four (that's 50 percent for you Steve Dave), he was named MAC Coach of the Year by the coaches.
Three of his four seasons rank are the top three seasons Buffalo has had since joining D1A.
Apparently he did something right.
So were you, like, really embarrassed when you tried to get Snyder fired and then he turned around and won a bunch of games?
I was, like, 7 when Snyder first started coaching so I don't think I had enough pull to get him fired.
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Has a coach 10 games under .500 in his only HC job ever been promoted like this before? It seems unprecedented.
Yeah, when you fail to have success in the MAC and get a B12 job it is very strange.
I bet you wanted to get rid of Snyder after four years too.
Frank Solich has had much more success in the MAC. You should have hired him (or any one of a million more qualified coaches)
Gill has been a head coach for four years. In two of those four (that's 50 percent for you Steve Dave), he was named MAC Coach of the Year by the coaches.
Three of his four seasons rank are the top three seasons Buffalo has had since joining D1A.
Apparently he did something right.
So were you, like, really embarrassed when you tried to get Snyder fired and then he turned around and won a bunch of games?
Are you, like, really embarrassed that you ran the best coach you'll ever get out on a rail? :confused:
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Has a coach 10 games under .500 in his only HC job ever been promoted like this before? It seems unprecedented.
Yeah, when you fail to have success in the MAC and get a B12 job it is very strange.
I bet you wanted to get rid of Snyder after four years too.
Frank Solich has had much more success in the MAC. You should have hired him (or any one of a million more qualified coaches)
Gill has been a head coach for four years. In two of those four (that's 50 percent for you Steve Dave), he was named MAC Coach of the Year by the coaches.
Three of his four seasons rank are the top three seasons Buffalo has had since joining D1A.
Apparently he did something right.
So were you, like, really embarrassed when you tried to get Snyder fired and then he turned around and won a bunch of games?
Why are idiots comparing this situation to Snyder? No one hired Snyder after his first four bad/mediocre seasons at K-State. And certainly no big time program that would have been seen as a huge promotion for him. And why would they have? He hadn't proven anything yet; he hadn't turned the corner. Just like Gill hadn't done anything yet at Buffalo. Maybe he would have, just like Snyder, or maybe he would have kept backpedaling like he did last year. Usually programs wait to hire someone like Turner Gill until they have actually turned the corner. The comparisons to Snyder are ridiculous and they don't even make sense.
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Has a coach 10 games under .500 in his only HC job ever been promoted like this before? It seems unprecedented.
Yeah, when you fail to have success in the MAC and get a B12 job it is very strange.
I bet you wanted to get rid of Snyder after four years too.
Frank Solich has had much more success in the MAC. You should have hired him (or any one of a million more qualified coaches)
Gill has been a head coach for four years. In two of those four (that's 50 percent for you Steve Dave), he was named MAC Coach of the Year by the coaches.
Three of his four seasons rank are the top three seasons Buffalo has had since joining D1A.
Apparently he did something right.
So were you, like, really embarrassed when you tried to get Snyder fired and then he turned around and won a bunch of games?
Why are idiots comparing this situation to Snyder? No one hired Snyder after his first four bad/mediocre seasons at K-State. And certainly no big time program that would have been seen as a huge promotion for him. And why would they have? He hadn't proven anything yet; he hadn't turned the corner. Just like Gill hadn't done anything yet at Buffalo. Maybe he would have, just like Snyder, or maybe he would have kept backpedaling like he did last year. Usually programs wait to hire someone like Turner Gill until they have actually turned the corner. The comparisons to Snyder are ridiculous and they don't even make sense.
Their records are comparable, and both walked into absolutely terrible situations. K-State was the worst program in D1A when Snyder inherited it. When K-State got better, Buffalo became that program. Did you know that last year, when Buffalo won five games, it was tied for their second-highest total since they joined D1A? He tied for the lead in his division in his second season and won a freaking conference title in year three. It's not like he's been totally terrible there.
And wouldn't you agree that it would have been smart for somebody to hire Snyder? If only, say, an OU would have had that sort of foresight after a Switzer left. If OU would have made a hire of Snyder after four years, do you really think you would have scoffed at it? I know I wouldn't have.
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Gill's hire is barely a blip on the jealousy radar. I give it a solid 1. Now if you guys had landed Harbaugh or Tuberville......
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Anyone else find it funny when ku fans talk about Buffalo "since they joined D-1A" that they act like that was in 1939 or something?
Not a real big sample size there, folks.
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Guys that have success in BCS after Mid Major usually dominated their mid major confrence.
not worried about gill being world beater. Especially with his OC/DC hires. My non messageboard ku friends are pretty meh.
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Has a coach 10 games under .500 in his only HC job ever been promoted like this before? It seems unprecedented.
Yeah, when you fail to have success in the MAC and get a B12 job it is very strange.
I bet you wanted to get rid of Snyder after four years too.
Frank Solich has had much more success in the MAC. You should have hired him (or any one of a million more qualified coaches)
Gill has been a head coach for four years. In two of those four (that's 50 percent for you Steve Dave), he was named MAC Coach of the Year by the coaches.
Three of his four seasons rank are the top three seasons Buffalo has had since joining D1A.
Apparently he did something right.
So were you, like, really embarrassed when you tried to get Snyder fired and then he turned around and won a bunch of games?
Why are idiots comparing this situation to Snyder? No one hired Snyder after his first four bad/mediocre seasons at K-State. And certainly no big time program that would have been seen as a huge promotion for him. And why would they have? He hadn't proven anything yet; he hadn't turned the corner. Just like Gill hadn't done anything yet at Buffalo. Maybe he would have, just like Snyder, or maybe he would have kept backpedaling like he did last year. Usually programs wait to hire someone like Turner Gill until they have actually turned the corner. The comparisons to Snyder are ridiculous and they don't even make sense.
Their records are comparable, and both walked into absolutely terrible situations. K-State was the worst program in D1A when Snyder inherited it. When K-State got better, Buffalo became that program. Did you know that last year, when Buffalo won five games, it was tied for their second-highest total since they joined D1A? He tied for the lead in his division in his second season and won a freaking conference title in year three. It's not like he's been totally terrible there.
And wouldn't you agree that it would have been smart for somebody to hire Snyder? If only, say, an OU would have had that sort of foresight after a Switzer left. If OU would have made a hire of Snyder after four years, do you really think you would have scoffed at it? I know I wouldn't have.
For every coach who has 4 mediocre years and then goes on to establish a great program, there are 20 coaches who have 4 mediocre years and then go on to have 4 more mediocre years and lose their job. To compare Gill to Snyder because his first four years were mediocre is ridiculous.
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Anyone else watch local kc news last night?
The players were all excited about this "personal relationship" thing he's gonna do.
(http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae13/hubvonwhisk/Gill/gill-personal.png?t=1260904374)
:kugayfight:
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Their records are comparable, and both walked into absolutely terrible situations. K-State was the worst program in D1A when Snyder inherited it. When K-State got better, Buffalo became that program. Did you know that last year, when Buffalo won five games, it was tied for their second-highest total since they joined D1A? He tied for the lead in his division in his second season and won a freaking conference title in year three. It's not like he's been totally terrible there.
Yes, clearly the best of the modern MAC, like Ball State last year, compare pretty favorably to Oklahoma, Colorado, and Nebraska in the early 90s. Winning games in the modern MAC compared to the Big 8 in those days is nearly identical.
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Last 3 D1 stops for Torbush has the fan base for each school :pray: for, and subsequently :dancin: with his departure.
No one quite understands how he got the job at Miss State.
It's hard not to like a guy who was the d-coordinator for Mack Brown.
WOW, not if you're an aTm fan, just sayin'
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Has a coach 10 games under .500 in his only HC job ever been promoted like this before? It seems unprecedented.
Yeah, when you fail to have success in the MAC and get a B12 job it is very strange.
I bet you wanted to get rid of Snyder after four years too.
lets see '89-'92....
we had beaten ku, MU, and ISU. '91 was a good year...worthy of breathing room for '92. Lost alot of close games that season....
In his fifth year...'93 we won the Copper Bowl and a 9 wins season... First bowl win in school history. First 9 win season in school history.
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I suppose some people might have higher expectations if your head coach was coming from the MAC. I mean, if my next head coach was coming from the MAC and had 1 win over a team that finished better than .500, I might have some questions. But of course, this was just like coming to the Big 8 in the 90s. Its tough to win there.
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Anyone else find it funny when ku fans talk about Buffalo "since they joined D-1A" that they act like that was in 1939 or something?
Not a real big sample size there, folks.
Well, you can't really compare to when they weren't in D1A because it's totally different. Still, IIRC, their top season in any division was an eight-win year in the 90s. So Gill matched their top overall win total (despite the fact that he was in D1A) in his third year. His last two years, he won more games (13) than Buffalo won in the seven years before he became HC.
You can't say he didn't improve that program. Shoot, he had more winning seasons in conference play in four years than Mangino did in eight.
The Snyder point is relevant. Not because it shows Gill's future line of success, but because it shows what boobs you guys are all being. If anybody, anybody should understand that you need to look at the early record after taking over a bad job with a sense of perspective, it should be you guys.
But hey, if you want to go the LFBIQ route, and pretend 20-30 is just 20-30, that's fine too.
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Anyone else find it funny when ku fans talk about Buffalo "since they joined D-1A" that they act like that was in 1939 or something?
Not a real big sample size there, folks.
Well, you can't really compare to when they weren't in D1A because it's totally different. Still, IIRC, their top season in any division was an eight-win year in the 90s. So Gill matched their top overall win total (despite the fact that he was in D1A) in his third year. His last two years, he won more games (13) than Buffalo won in the seven years before he became HC.
You can't say he didn't improve that program. Shoot, he had more winning seasons in conference play in four years than Mangino did in eight.
The Snyder point is relevant. Not because it shows Gill's future line of success, but because it shows what boobs you guys are all being. If anybody, anybody should understand that you need to look at the early record after taking over a bad job with a sense of perspective, it should be you guys.
But hey, if you want to go the LFBIQ route, and pretend 20-30 is just 20-30, that's fine too.
Big 8, MAC, Big 8....MAC....
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Anyone else find it funny when ku fans talk about Buffalo "since they joined D-1A" that they act like that was in 1939 or something?
Not a real big sample size there, folks.
Well, you can't really compare to when they weren't in D1A because it's totally different. Still, IIRC, their top season in any division was an eight-win year in the 90s. So Gill matched their top overall win total (despite the fact that he was in D1A) in his third year. His last two years, he won more games (13) than Buffalo won in the seven years before he became HC.
You can't say he didn't improve that program. Shoot, he had more winning seasons in conference play in four years than Mangino did in eight.
The Snyder point is relevant. Not because it shows Gill's future line of success, but because it shows what boobs you guys are all being. If anybody, anybody should understand that you need to look at the early record after taking over a bad job with a sense of perspective, it should be you guys.
But hey, if you want to go the LFBIQ route, and pretend 20-30 is just 20-30, that's fine too.
Big 8, MAC, Big 8....MAC....
Is that really that relevant? It's not like Snyder beat one of the top Big Eight teams in his first four years, and teams like MU, ku and Iowa State, for all intents and purposes, were MAC teams when he started.
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Anyone else find it funny when ku fans talk about Buffalo "since they joined D-1A" that they act like that was in 1939 or something?
Not a real big sample size there, folks.
Well, you can't really compare to when they weren't in D1A because it's totally different. Still, IIRC, their top season in any division was an eight-win year in the 90s. So Gill matched their top overall win total (despite the fact that he was in D1A) in his third year. His last two years, he won more games (13) than Buffalo won in the seven years before he became HC.
You can't say he didn't improve that program. Shoot, he had more winning seasons in conference play in four years than Mangino did in eight.
The Snyder point is relevant. Not because it shows Gill's future line of success, but because it shows what boobs you guys are all being. If anybody, anybody should understand that you need to look at the early record after taking over a bad job with a sense of perspective, it should be you guys.
But hey, if you want to go the LFBIQ route, and pretend 20-30 is just 20-30, that's fine too.
Big 8, MAC, Big 8....MAC....
Is that really that relevant? It's not like Snyder beat one of the top Big Eight teams in his first four years, and teams like MU, ku and Iowa State, for all intents and purposes, were MAC teams when he started.
Congrats on starting to follow football 3 years ago bro! It's really a great sport. You're going to love it.
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Anyone else find it funny when ku fans talk about Buffalo "since they joined D-1A" that they act like that was in 1939 or something?
Not a real big sample size there, folks.
Well, you can't really compare to when they weren't in D1A because it's totally different. Still, IIRC, their top season in any division was an eight-win year in the 90s. So Gill matched their top overall win total (despite the fact that he was in D1A) in his third year. His last two years, he won more games (13) than Buffalo won in the seven years before he became HC.
You can't say he didn't improve that program. Shoot, he had more winning seasons in conference play in four years than Mangino did in eight.
The Snyder point is relevant. Not because it shows Gill's future line of success, but because it shows what boobs you guys are all being. If anybody, anybody should understand that you need to look at the early record after taking over a bad job with a sense of perspective, it should be you guys.
But hey, if you want to go the LFBIQ route, and pretend 20-30 is just 20-30, that's fine too.
Big 8, MAC, Big 8....MAC....
Is that really that relevant? It's not like Snyder beat one of the top Big Eight teams in his first four years, and teams like MU, ku and Iowa State, for all intents and purposes, were MAC teams when he started.
This is why your analogy fails, friend.
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Anyone else find it funny when ku fans talk about Buffalo "since they joined D-1A" that they act like that was in 1939 or something?
Not a real big sample size there, folks.
Well, you can't really compare to when they weren't in D1A because it's totally different. Still, IIRC, their top season in any division was an eight-win year in the 90s. So Gill matched their top overall win total (despite the fact that he was in D1A) in his third year. His last two years, he won more games (13) than Buffalo won in the seven years before he became HC.
You can't say he didn't improve that program. Shoot, he had more winning seasons in conference play in four years than Mangino did in eight.
The Snyder point is relevant. Not because it shows Gill's future line of success, but because it shows what boobs you guys are all being. If anybody, anybody should understand that you need to look at the early record after taking over a bad job with a sense of perspective, it should be you guys.
But hey, if you want to go the LFBIQ route, and pretend 20-30 is just 20-30, that's fine too.
Big 8, MAC, Big 8....MAC....
Is that really that relevant? It's not like Snyder beat one of the top Big Eight teams in his first four years, and teams like MU, ku and Iowa State, for all intents and purposes, were MAC teams when he started.
Congrats on starting to follow football 3 years ago bro! It's really a great sport. You're going to love it.
Coming from you, this is hilarious, Mr. "I was seven when Snyder came along."
ku lost to Kent State, yes, a MAC school, shortly before Snyder/Mason came along. Missouri and Iowa State were also not very good.
But again, none of that detracts from the point that "If anybody, anybody should understand that you need to look at the early record after taking over a bad job with a sense of perspective, it should be you guys."
It's like the K-State fans who say that another school can't be successful in football. If anybody should realize that any crap school can become decent at football, it should be you guys.
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Seriously, stick with another talking point for Gill other than his stellar record rebuilding Buffalo. Recruiting or building a staff may be believable.
But come on; 20 wins, 1 a magical win over Ball St, then 2 wins over .500 teams and after that 17 wins over teams that finished below .500. In the MAC.
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I suppose some people might have higher expectations if your head coach was coming from the MAC. I mean, if my next head coach was coming from the MAC and had 1 win over a team that finished better than .500, I might have some questions. But of course, this was just like coming to the Big 8 in the 90s. Its tough to win there.
god damn it. Does this hire mean phog's new talking point is that the MAC is now tougher to win in than early 90's big 8 was?
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Their records are comparable, and both walked into absolutely terrible situations. K-State was the worst program in D1A when Snyder inherited it. When K-State got better, Buffalo became that program. Did you know that last year, when Buffalo won five games, it was tied for their second-highest total since they joined D1A? He tied for the lead in his division in his second season and won a freaking conference title in year three. It's not like he's been totally terrible there.
10 years of mediocracy compared to almost an entire century of failure is a little bit much (if you only want to count years being a D-1 school).
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I suppose some people might have higher expectations if your head coach was coming from the MAC. I mean, if my next head coach was coming from the MAC and had 1 win over a team that finished better than .500, I might have some questions. But of course, this was just like coming to the Big 8 in the 90s. Its tough to win there.
god damn it. Does this hire mean phog's new talking point is that the MAC is now tougher to win in than early 90's big 8 was?
As in 02 big 12 was tougher for mangino than early 90's big 12 was for Snyds?
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Pretty clear to me that 08 MAC > 02 Big 12 > 90 Big 8.
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I suppose some people might have higher expectations if your head coach was coming from the MAC. I mean, if my next head coach was coming from the MAC and had 1 win over a team that finished better than .500, I might have some questions. But of course, this was just like coming to the Big 8 in the 90s. Its tough to win there.
god damn it. Does this hire mean phog's new talking point is that the MAC is now tougher to win in than early 90's big 8 was?
As in 02 big 12 was tougher for mangino than early 90's big 12 was for Snyds?
Not really. Mangino accomplished what he did despite never beating Texas, Oklahoma or Texas Tech, and he didn't beat K-State until 2004, Nebraska until 2005 and Colorado until 2006.
All I'm saying, again, is that you guys are forgetting a sense of perspective.
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I suppose some people might have higher expectations if your head coach was coming from the MAC. I mean, if my next head coach was coming from the MAC and had 1 win over a team that finished better than .500, I might have some questions. But of course, this was just like coming to the Big 8 in the 90s. Its tough to win there.
god damn it. Does this hire mean phog's new talking point is that the MAC is now tougher to win in than early 90's big 8 was?
As in 02 big 12 was tougher for mangino than early 90's big 12 was for Snyds?
Not really. Mangino accomplished what he did despite never beating Texas, Oklahoma or Texas Tech, and he didn't beat K-State until 2004, Nebraska until 2005 and Colorado until 2006.
All I'm saying, again, is that you guys are forgetting a sense of perspective.
And then you idiots fired him...oh, excuse me...he "resigned".
:thumbsup:
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Does flare understand that K-State was lucky as hell Snyder was, well, Snyder, and not like Chuck Long at SDSU or any number of a hundred first-time HCs that failed miserably?
There isn't some magic formula; it's a crapshoot.
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This is more what a coaches record from a smaller (MAC) conference should look like when you hire him:
Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl Coaches# AP°
Toledo Rockets (Mid-American Conference) (1991–2000)
1991 Toledo 5-5-1 4-3-1 T-3rd
1992 Toledo 8-3 5-3 T-3rd
1993 Toledo 4-7 3-5 T-7th
1994 Toledo 6-4-1 4-3-1 6th
1995 Toledo 11-0-1 7-0-1 1st W Las Vegas 24
1996 Toledo 7-4 6-2 T-2nd
1997 Toledo 9-3 7-1 1st (West)
1998 Toledo 7-5 6-2 1st (West)
1999 Toledo 6-5 5-3 T-2nd (West)
2000 Toledo 10-1 6-1 1st (West)
Toledo: 73-37-3 53-23-3
Yeah, that's Gary Pinkel.
There is one former BCS Coach that ku could've had....his BCS record is 20-33 in five years at one of the toughest conferences in the nation. He also inherited a poor program. As you can see, his BCS record is similar to Gill's 20-30 record at a smaller school. His name.....Terry Allen.
Yes, you have us, we are all soooo jealous.
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Thoughts on Gill:
1. He was never anything more then a position coach at NU. When Solich hired an offensive cordinator prior to his final season Gill wanted the job and should have been in line for it but was passed over for Barney Cotton from New Mexico State. NU fans all like him and say he'll be good but the truth is they think he is good for a school like Kansas they don't want him as their head coach and never have.
2. Comparing what Gill did to what Snyder did is dumb. Snyder actually turned the program around and sustained it for a long period of time. Gill hasn't shown he can do that. Nobody called it the miracle in Manhattan after 4 years when he was 5-6 or whatever because he hadn't done squat yet. Lots of coaches have taken bad teams and made them competitive or maybe had one good season. Few have turned it around and sustained a high level over a long period of time. What Gill did at Buffalo was the easy part that many coaches can do. Snyder getting it to that point and then going on to win 11 games 6 times in a 7 year stretch is the hard part.
3. Comparing the Buffalo program to the KSU program when Gill took over is also dumb. When Snyder took over KSU was the worst d-1 team in the country and were worse then probably half the 1-aa teams at the time. We had like 50 players on scholarship when the limit was 95. The worst team in the MAC would have beat us by 2 TD's and we had to play in the big 8. No program anywhere has been in that bad of shape relative to the competition in the past 15 years or more.
4. Gill might be good but there is really no history that says he can win consistently at ku. Hiring a coach is always a crapshoot I think it is even more so with Gill because he simply hasn't won big as a head coach and he was never even a cordinator prior to that. He was at NU for a long time but was never really key to thier success. Under Osborne Solch was the top offensive assistant and Charlie Mcbride was the top defensive guy. As stated above even when Solich took over he was never one of his top assistants.
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Seriously, stick with another talking point for Gill other than his stellar record rebuilding Buffalo. Recruiting or building a staff may be believable.
But come on; 20 wins, 1 a magical win over Ball St, then 2 wins over .500 teams and after that 17 wins over teams that finished below .500. In the MAC.
How about the fact that Gill coached for a couple national championship teams at Nebraska? He was also a runner-up for the Heisman. If the guy was coming to ku as an assistant from Nebraska instead of head coach at Buffalo, everyone would be talking about how this guy is the next rising star in coaching.
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Seriously, stick with another talking point for Gill other than his stellar record rebuilding Buffalo. Recruiting or building a staff may be believable.
But come on; 20 wins, 1 a magical win over Ball St, then 2 wins over .500 teams and after that 17 wins over teams that finished below .500. In the MAC.
How about the fact that Gill coached for a couple national championship teams at Nebraska? He was also a runner-up for the Heisman. If the guy was coming to ku as an assistant from Nebraska instead of head coach at Buffalo, everyone would be talking about how this guy is the next rising star in coaching.
Reading ku fans talking football is so, so great :love:
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Seriously, stick with another talking point for Gill other than his stellar record rebuilding Buffalo. Recruiting or building a staff may be believable.
But come on; 20 wins, 1 a magical win over Ball St, then 2 wins over .500 teams and after that 17 wins over teams that finished below .500. In the MAC.
How about the fact that Gill coached for a couple national championship teams at Nebraska? He was also a runner-up for the Heisman. If the guy was coming to ku as an assistant from Nebraska instead of head coach at Buffalo, everyone would be talking about how this guy is the next rising star in coaching.
Well its a heck of a lot better than talking up his stellar rebuilding job at Buffalo.
Now, if he was coming as a coordinator from Nebraska, its a very good talking point. But just as an assistant; I don't know. How many other BCS schools hired guys that were not coordinators at another BCS school to be their head coach?
Now, very successful BCS assistant to mildly successful mid-major coach is decent, but I'm still having a hard time finding this as a real good deal to replace a guy that was NCOY 2 years ago.
:dunno:
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Thoughts on Gill:
1. He was never anything more then a position coach at NU. When Solich hired an offensive cordinator prior to his final season Gill wanted the job and should have been in line for it but was passed over for Barney Cotton from New Mexico State. NU fans all like him and say he'll be good but the truth is they think he is good for a school like Kansas they don't want him as their head coach and never have.
2. Comparing what Gill did to what Snyder did is dumb. Snyder actually turned the program around and sustained it for a long period of time. Gill hasn't shown he can do that. Nobody called it the miracle in Manhattan after 4 years when he was 5-6 or whatever because he hadn't done squat yet. Lots of coaches have taken bad teams and made them competitive or maybe had one good season. Few have turned it around and sustained a high level over a long period of time. What Gill did at Buffalo was the easy part that many coaches can do. Snyder getting it to that point and then going on to win 11 games 6 times in a 7 year stretch is the hard part.
3. Comparing the Buffalo program to the KSU program when Gill took over is also dumb. When Snyder took over KSU was the worst d-1 team in the country and were worse then probably half the 1-aa teams at the time. We had like 50 players on scholarship when the limit was 95. The worst team in the MAC would have beat us by 2 TD's and we had to play in the big 8. No program anywhere has been in that bad of shape relative to the competition in the past 15 years or more.
4. Gill might be good but there is really no history that says he can win consistently at ku. Hiring a coach is always a crapshoot I think it is even more so with Gill because he simply hasn't won big as a head coach and he was never even a cordinator prior to that. He was at NU for a long time but was never really key to thier success. Under Osborne Solch was the top offensive assistant and Charlie Mcbride was the top defensive guy. As stated above even when Solich took over he was never one of his top assistants.
That's actually a well-thought out post. Congrats. Much, much better than: "dude is Terry Allen because he has a bad record, lollercopters!!!" which completely ignores the fact that Allen took over a program two years removed from a top-10 ranking, while Gill inherited a program that hadn't won four games in a season in the eight years (when they joined 1A) prior to him taking over. NOTE: I think I accidentally said seven years earlier.
It's not easy to take a bad team and make them decent. I'll agree that it's harder to take a mediocre team and make them perennial contenders, but let's not act like Gill didn't do anything while he was at Buffalo.
But the people who call Gill a bad coach based on his record are completely neglecting where the program was when he took it over. Which is typical, for an opposing fanbase. He inherited a team that had won 12 games over the past eight years and won 13 over his last two.
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Nobody said Gill will be a horrid coach, he just doesn't strike me as an impressive hire. This reminds me quite a bit of Asbury to Wooldride; fire the guy with mild success, but a bad personality and replace him with a heck of a nice guy. We'll see if it turns out similar.
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Gill is going to kill it on the recruiting trail.
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Gill is going to kill it on the recruiting trail.
I hope he removes it from the road, 'cause I don't want to run over it too. :yuck: :piratecaptain:
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Gill is going to kill it on the recruiting trail.
I'm just waiting on the moment when you realize KSU fans have said all of this before.
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Gill is going to kill it on the recruiting trail.
I'm just waiting on the moment when you realize KSU fans have said all of this before.
And Prince had actually put guys in the league.
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Prince was an unproven assistant from Virginia. No comparison to what Gill did at Nebraska and Buffalo. Gill was also runner-up for the Heisman. The only similarity between Gill and Prince is race.
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i really think gill sucks.
but lmao@ the prince hire. the guys had literally no resume.
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Prince was an unproven assistant from Virginia. No comparison to what Gill did at Nebraska and Buffalo. Gill was also runner-up for the Heisman. The only similarity between Gill and Prince is race.
Long was a Heisman runner up too and crashed horribly as a head coach.
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Well, that's why Long will be o-coordinator. ... not head coach. It never hurts to have assistants with head coach experience.
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3rd and long chuck long. lmao.
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OU fans were glad to see Mangino go as well. At least Long knows what it takes to win in the Big 12.
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wrong. ou fans still regard mangino in a positive light. long was a disaster @ ou.
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Gill is going to kill it on the recruiting trail.
LOL.
Because he's black right?
Bwwwwwahahahahaha. :rofl:
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Prince was an unproven assistant from Virginia. No comparison to what Gill did at Nebraska and Buffalo. Gill was also runner-up for the Heisman. The only similarity between Gill and Prince is race.
How does Gill have a proven track record at recruiting?
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You know what I like about the Gill hire? His choice of Coordinators. It's not like he hired a young bud foster or an Andy Ludwig/Billy Gonzalez type. That's what I was probably the most worried about.
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OU fans were glad to see Mangino go as well.
Anyone else see the incredible irony here?
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Mangino helped them win Stoop's only MNC. Stoopid chickenhawk.
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Mangino helped them win Stoop's only MNC. Stoopid chickenhawk.
His offense tore the big 12 a new asshole that year. ku fans weren't paying attention though.
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They were watching Terry pick his nose. Can't post that pic from my old cellphone.
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Former assistants of Mavk Brown and Bob Stoops.... K-State fans can only dream.
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Former assistants of Mavk Brown and Bob Stoops.... K-State fans can only dream.
dream of what?
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Former assistants of Mavk Brown and Bob Stoops.... K-State fans can only dream.
dream of what?
Getting an SLTH, apparently.
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Mangino was the definition of a SLTH. You're just too blind to realize it.
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(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t270/cjswope/turnergillcowboy2.jpg)
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Mangino was the definition of a SLTH. You're just too blind to realize it.
mangino was a Home run Coordinator hire.
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Implying that all black head coaches are as awful as Ron Prince.... does it get much more racist than that?
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Mangino was the definition of a SLTH. You're just too blind to realize it.
mangino was a Home run Coordinator hire.
that only a MAC school or a horrible BCS program would touch because of his size.
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Mangino was the definition of a SLTH. You're just too blind to realize it.
mangino was a Home run Coordinator hire.
No he wasn't. ku went 1-7 in the Big 12 in his 8th year.
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his puss players quit on him.
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his puss players quit on him.
so did his coaches
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Mangino was the definition of a SLTH. You're just too blind to realize it.
mangino was a Home run Coordinator hire.
No he wasn't. ku went 1-7 in the Big 12 in his 8th year.
yeah but you were 4 bad calls away from 5-3...your argument doesn't work.
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Mangino was the definition of a SLTH. You're just too blind to realize it.
mangino was a Home run Coordinator hire.
No he wasn't. ku went 1-7 in the Big 12 in his 8th year.
I'll put the O/U on Gill's tenure at 5 years and take the under, thanks. And his departure won't be for a better job after sustained success at ku.
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Mangino was the definition of a SLTH. You're just too blind to realize it.
mangino was a Home run Coordinator hire.
No he wasn't. ku went 1-7 in the Big 12 in his 8th year.
I'll put the O/U on Gill's tenure at 5 years and take the under, thanks. And his departure won't be for a better job after sustained success at ku.
I'll say over,
ksu blows. He'll cupcake his way to 6-7 wins a year and beat ksu enough to keep the fanbase happy. That's all any ku coach has to do.
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Implying that all black head coaches are as awful as Ron Prince.... does it get much more racist than that?
It's more implying that it's easy to compare our recently-failed head coach hire to your soon-to-fail head coach hire based on results and the situations that they got hired into. Prince had no head coaching experience before getting hired and Gill had a losing record in a few seasons as head coach before getting hired. This implies that they are both unproven as head coach and pretty low-profile hires. Also, add in the fact that they both emphasize recruiting above everything else and had good O-coordinator/D-coordinators to rely on upon getting hired, and it is easy to compare them. If you want to bring race into this, though, go ahead....racist.
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Serious "race" questions here dudes....NOT RACIST!
What plays better when recruiting black athletes who come from homes without a father figure? A black male coach, or a white male coach? Is there a difference?
Next question...
What plays better with the mothers of black athletes who are in homes without a husband/father figure? A black male coach with a white wife, or a white male coach with a black wife? Is there a difference?
NOT RACIST! :blackandwhitecookie:
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Gill won a MAC Championship at the worst program in D-1. Would have been like Mangino winning the North in his 3rd year at ku.
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bait
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bait
lunch time...what else is there to do?
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Just watched Turner Gill get destroyed by The U on ESPN's 30 for 30 last night. Proven loser as a player, and a proven loser as a HC.
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The MAC is as Good or better than the Big 12
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Implying that all black head coaches are as awful as Ron Prince.... does it get much more racist than that?
I've said before the most applicable comparison is with Wooly.