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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: Pete on November 23, 2009, 09:47:20 PM
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Jeremy Crabtree
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Originally posted by SpecialK3:
Originally posted by cjh:
He is a 4 star, and 3 years left to play three. Let the evaluators do their thing.
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And I could almost guarantee you that those "evaluators" haven't seen him play anymore than I have.
I'm not saying he's not a decent offer. I'm saying he'll be solid at this level, but he's not a "beast" and nobody's going to mistake him for Terry Pierce.
He's not a Lavonte David type that can single-handedly dominate a game, has his name called over the loud-speaker nearly every play, other teams have to gameplan around, etc.
Lavonte is special, period.
I think he proved to me this season that he might be the best defensive player in all of the juco ranks. I think you could make a serious case for him to be the nation's No. 1 junior college player.
But when I hear trusted people at Butler say the things they have about this kid here, I have to think that means a lot. Then when you put the game tape on against even quality teams, you can see why we recently promoted him to four stars.
The game against Dodge City sold me alone. Love the fact that he's also even more valuable because he's a 3X3 kid.
And with Terr Pierce, I remember back in the day talking to recruiters at OU and KSU and all agreed he was the best junior college linebacker they've ever seen. That was pre-Rivals.com days, but I think you would have definitely seen him as a five-star kid.
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Jeremy Crabtree
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Re: new offer! Reply
Originally posted by SpecialK3:
Originally posted by cjh:
He is a 4 star, and 3 years left to play three. Let the evaluators do their thing.
Posted from wireless.rivals.com
And I could almost guarantee you that those "evaluators" haven't seen him play anymore than I have.
I'm not saying he's not a decent offer. I'm saying he'll be solid at this level, but he's not a "beast" and nobody's going to mistake him for Terry Pierce.
He's not a Lavonte David type that can single-handedly dominate a game, has his name called over the loud-speaker nearly every play, other teams have to gameplan around, etc.
Lavonte is special, period.
I think he proved to me this season that he might be the best defensive player in all of the juco ranks. I think you could make a serious case for him to be the nation's No. 1 junior college player.
But when I hear trusted people at Butler say the things they have about this kid here, I have to think that means a lot. Then when you put the game tape on against even quality teams, you can see why we recently promoted him to four stars.
The game against Dodge City sold me alone. Love the fact that he's also even more valuable because he's a 3X3 kid.
And with Terr Pierce, I remember back in the day talking to recruiters at OU and KSU and all agreed he was the best junior college linebacker they've ever seen. That was pre-Rivals.com days, but I think you would have definitely seen him as a five-star kid.
Is that from Crabtree wtf? HE might have TP confused with Jeff Kelly.
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with Jeff Kelly
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Ya, you guys are right. He probably just got them confused. You can't really expect a guy who spends his career memorizing superficial factoids about a massive volume of players to really know the meaningful details that well...he's got a business to run, afterall.
But hey, it's AWESOME when he remembers the name of the high school and top 5 schools for some random &@#%ing Mizzou recruit when a dipcrap from St. Joe calls into 810 when he's on with Kietz. "This guy knows EVERYTHING!"
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Ya, you guys are right. He probably just got them confused. You can't really expect a guy who spends his career memorizing superficial factoids about a massive volume of players to really know the meaningful details that well...he's got a business to run, afterall.
But hey, it's AWESOME when he remembers the name of the high school and top 5 schools for some random fracking Mizzou recruit when a dipcrap from St. Joe calls into 810 when he's on with Kietz. "This guy knows EVERYTHING!"
My favorite was the reminder that rivals.com didn't exist before 1999. LOL @ anyone saying snyder was recruiting a bunch of 2 and 3 star scrubs back then.
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Ya, you guys are right. He probably just got them confused. You can't really expect a guy who spends his career memorizing superficial factoids about a massive volume of players to really know the meaningful details that well...he's got a business to run, afterall.
But hey, it's AWESOME when he remembers the name of the high school and top 5 schools for some random fracking Mizzou recruit when a dipcrap from St. Joe calls into 810 when he's on with Kietz. "This guy knows EVERYTHING!"
My favorite was the reminder that rivals.com didn't exist before 1999. LOL @ anyone saying snyder was recruiting a bunch of 2 and 3 star scrubs back then.
Rivals didn't exist back then. However, there were a ton of pay services and numerous fan sites (heck, Rivals contacted me when they were initially forming to do a K-State site due to my traffic levels - I thought they were on crack, what the f did I know).
Also, many of those services did star or some other variation of a ranking system. Rivals just opted to create a larger network and link it all together. However, initially, their methodology wasn't that much different from the older pay companies/sites - they just had more people doing the evaluating (it used to be most pay companies focused regionally, or even just on JCs, only a few were national in scope).
That said, according to the "experts" (who did their rankings based upon who offered kids more than what they really knew about the kids) Snyder was living off of the equivalent of the 2 and 3 star kids. Few services even considered JCs (even Rivals early on pretty much ignored JCs - Snyder forced the system to consider them), and few considered where a kid would play in college (they acted like their HS spots would be their college spots - Snyder loved to convert RBs into DEs, FBs, and LBs and so forth). Thus, those early KSU years under Snyder were skewed very low in the rankings and what the "experts" thought of KSU kids.
Sam s.
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Ya, you guys are right. He probably just got them confused. You can't really expect a guy who spends his career memorizing superficial factoids about a massive volume of players to really know the meaningful details that well...he's got a business to run, afterall.
But hey, it's AWESOME when he remembers the name of the high school and top 5 schools for some random fracking Mizzou recruit when a dipcrap from St. Joe calls into 810 when he's on with Kietz. "This guy knows EVERYTHING!"
My favorite was the reminder that rivals.com didn't exist before 1999. LOL @ anyone saying snyder was recruiting a bunch of 2 and 3 star scrubs back then.
Rivals didn't exist back then. However, there were a ton of pay services and numerous fan sites (heck, Rivals contacted me when they were initially forming to do a K-State site due to my traffic levels - I thought they were on crack, what the f did I know).
Also, many of those services did star or some other variation of a ranking system. Rivals just opted to create a larger network and link it all together. However, initially, their methodology wasn't that much different from the older pay companies/sites - they just had more people doing the evaluating (it used to be most pay companies focused regionally, or even just on JCs, only a few were national in scope).
That said, according to the "experts" (who did their rankings based upon who offered kids more than what they really knew about the kids) Snyder was living off of the equivalent of the 2 and 3 star kids. Few services even considered JCs (even Rivals early on pretty much ignored JCs - Snyder forced the system to consider them), and few considered where a kid would play in college (they acted like their HS spots would be their college spots - Snyder loved to convert RBs into DEs, FBs, and LBs and so forth). Thus, those early KSU years under Snyder were skewed very low in the rankings and what the "experts" thought of KSU kids.
Sam s.
You're just making stuff up.
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Jeremy Crabtree
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Re: new offer! Reply
Originally posted by SpecialK3:
Originally posted by cjh:
He is a 4 star, and 3 years left to play three. Let the evaluators do their thing.
Posted from wireless.rivals.com
And I could almost guarantee you that those "evaluators" haven't seen him play anymore than I have.
I'm not saying he's not a decent offer. I'm saying he'll be solid at this level, but he's not a "beast" and nobody's going to mistake him for Terry Pierce.
He's not a Lavonte David type that can single-handedly dominate a game, has his name called over the loud-speaker nearly every play, other teams have to gameplan around, etc.
Lavonte is special, period.
I think he proved to me this season that he might be the best defensive player in all of the juco ranks. I think you could make a serious case for him to be the nation's No. 1 junior college player.
But when I hear trusted people at Butler say the things they have about this kid here, I have to think that means a lot. Then when you put the game tape on against even quality teams, you can see why we recently promoted him to four stars.
The game against Dodge City sold me alone. Love the fact that he's also even more valuable because he's a 3X3 kid.
And with Terr Pierce, I remember back in the day talking to recruiters at OU and KSU and all agreed he was the best junior college linebacker they've ever seen. That was pre-Rivals.com days, but I think you would have definitely seen him as a five-star kid.
Is that from Crabtree wtf? HE might have TP confused with Jeff Kelly.
Definitely confused. No Juco for me.
yours was smart :think:
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Ya, you guys are right. He probably just got them confused. You can't really expect a guy who spends his career memorizing superficial factoids about a massive volume of players to really know the meaningful details that well...he's got a business to run, afterall.
But hey, it's AWESOME when he remembers the name of the high school and top 5 schools for some random fracking Mizzou recruit when a dipcrap from St. Joe calls into 810 when he's on with Kietz. "This guy knows EVERYTHING!"
My favorite was the reminder that rivals.com didn't exist before 1999. LOL @ anyone saying snyder was recruiting a bunch of 2 and 3 star scrubs back then.
Rivals didn't exist back then. However, there were a ton of pay services and numerous fan sites (heck, Rivals contacted me when they were initially forming to do a K-State site due to my traffic levels - I thought they were on crack, what the f did I know).
Also, many of those services did star or some other variation of a ranking system. Rivals just opted to create a larger network and link it all together. However, initially, their methodology wasn't that much different from the older pay companies/sites - they just had more people doing the evaluating (it used to be most pay companies focused regionally, or even just on JCs, only a few were national in scope).
That said, according to the "experts" (who did their rankings based upon who offered kids more than what they really knew about the kids) Snyder was living off of the equivalent of the 2 and 3 star kids. Few services even considered JCs (even Rivals early on pretty much ignored JCs - Snyder forced the system to consider them), and few considered where a kid would play in college (they acted like their HS spots would be their college spots - Snyder loved to convert RBs into DEs, FBs, and LBs and so forth). Thus, those early KSU years under Snyder were skewed very low in the rankings and what the "experts" thought of KSU kids.
Sam s.
I'm picturing Cliff telling this to Norm, Sam, Paul and Woody at the end of the bar.
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Ya, you guys are right. He probably just got them confused. You can't really expect a guy who spends his career memorizing superficial factoids about a massive volume of players to really know the meaningful details that well...he's got a business to run, afterall.
But hey, it's AWESOME when he remembers the name of the high school and top 5 schools for some random fracking Mizzou recruit when a dipcrap from St. Joe calls into 810 when he's on with Kietz. "This guy knows EVERYTHING!"
My favorite was the reminder that rivals.com didn't exist before 1999. LOL @ anyone saying snyder was recruiting a bunch of 2 and 3 star scrubs back then.
Rivals didn't exist back then. However, there were a ton of pay services and numerous fan sites (heck, Rivals contacted me when they were initially forming to do a K-State site due to my traffic levels - I thought they were on crack, what the f did I know).
Also, many of those services did star or some other variation of a ranking system. Rivals just opted to create a larger network and link it all together. However, initially, their methodology wasn't that much different from the older pay companies/sites - they just had more people doing the evaluating (it used to be most pay companies focused regionally, or even just on JCs, only a few were national in scope).
That said, according to the "experts" (who did their rankings based upon who offered kids more than what they really knew about the kids) Snyder was living off of the equivalent of the 2 and 3 star kids. Few services even considered JCs (even Rivals early on pretty much ignored JCs - Snyder forced the system to consider them), and few considered where a kid would play in college (they acted like their HS spots would be their college spots - Snyder loved to convert RBs into DEs, FBs, and LBs and so forth). Thus, those early KSU years under Snyder were skewed very low in the rankings and what the "experts" thought of KSU kids.
Sam s.
You're just making stuff up.
Sounds made up to me. Probably just lying to get attention.
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You just don't remember what the forum situation and recruiting info was like in the late 1990's .
Sams been around for ever...used to teach at Satanta if I remember right..he kept track of ksu recruitng info as a gleaner of what was out there...put it all together.
The Austin 360 site was the premier forum of that time...GATOS who shows up here once in a while was the ou antagonist...loved his sooner updates from tulsa.
Yes Sam is telling it like it was.
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does anyone have any screenshots of the old old KSUFans.com before they sold to seank in 2003?
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"The Austin 360 site was the premier forum of that time...GATOS who shows up here once in a while was the ou antagonist...loved his sooner updates from tulsa."
Was just talking about Gatos and where he might be with another former Austin 306'er (SoCal Cat) this weekend during the Nebraska game. By the way Big Sam, good to see you back on the boards.
Terry:
I have never heard the full story on your recruitment. Perhaps you have written it somewhere and could point me to that. I don't get a chance to listen to you much when you are on the radio, so maybe it's been shared there as well and I have missed it.
All I kinda remember is that your name was not floated with K-State at all before you visited (you had committed to MU), and it seemed as though Phil Bennett and Rex Ryan really went after you after they came on board in Manhattan in 1999. Then, you hopped on a plane in fairly late January visited and committed.
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does anyone have any screenshots of the old old KSUFans.com before they sold to seank in 2003?
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.KSUFans.com
Kinda brings a tear to your eye to see old DOD era news headlines.