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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: sonofdaxjones on November 22, 2009, 07:10:52 PM
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nearly complete.
-FT shooting is a joke.
-All Body All Airport team without substantial basketball skills.
-Terrible court prescence and decision making.
-Ugly it up as much as possible and hope we can outboard and out defend the other team
The only thing keeping us from a complete transformation is that Frank actually tries to run a few high school level plays/offensive sets.
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-winning
:dancin:
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Yeah . . . we beat 3-2, about to drop from the Top 25 team.
Got worked like little bitches against Ole Miss.
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Yeah . . . we beat 3-2, about to drop from the Top 25 team.
Got worked like little bitches against Ole Miss.
their losses are to elite teams. Glad the effort was there tonight - hadn't seen it before.
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Forgot to mention
-Extremely LBBIQ players.
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Forfot to mention
-Extremely LBBIQ players.
Dayton is "elite" . . . LOL @ cRusty.
dayton's losses are to elite teams.
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dax is amazing. incredibly sticktoitiveness.
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dax, Deb has a team you might enjoy watching more? :dunno:
And is this surprising to you?
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Yeah . . . we beat 3-2, about to drop from the Top 25 team.
They were 2-1 when we beat them, no? With a win over #19 and a loss to #6? I don't get your :blahblah:
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dax is amazing. incredibly sticktoitiveness.
Thanks sys . . .
Our FT shooting . . . seriously, seriously??
F Estroball . . . I couldn't care less about Estroball . . . call me if they make the Final Four (I won't ever get that call).
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:love: :love:
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If doing the opposite of what dax wants = winning, then i'm fine with that.
:kstatriot:
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Dayton is a Tourney team. This is a great win.
Meanwhile we play ugly, and I expect we'll look a lot diff at the end of the year. The returning players are carrying the team, but that might change by B12 play. Our FT shooting isn't terrible, just a couple players who need to learn how to make them under pressure.
We'll see. Dec. is a brutal schedule and could produce some meltdowns or pleasant surprises.
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I'm just looking for hints that we're going to do something beyond 4th or 5th in the conference and a cup of coffee in the postseason.
3 for 11 from the floor out of Kelly/JHR/Judge
JamSam played well . . . then goes 2 for 7 from the line.
12 for 26 out of Jake and Denny . . . I guess if they fire it up enough we've got a shot at something. Denny . . . 5 for 10 from the line.
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be sure to pick-and-choose from games to make your case, dax.
you must have missed the previous games, where kelly/jhr have played solid.
no team is "in sync" 5 games into the season. GMAFB, LBBIQ'r.
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3 for 11 from the floor out of Kelly/JHR/Judge
Just checked, and this is the first year of cats hoops for all of those dudes, bra. You didn't really think that Wally was the next Beasley, did you? (LOLz) Chillax.
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I'm just looking for hints that we're going to do something beyond 4th or 5th in the conference and a cup of coffee in the postseason.
3 for 11 from the floor out of Kelly/JHR/Judge
JamSam played well . . . then goes 2 for 7 from the line.
Kelly's game was an anomoly. He's shown he'll play better, plus his minutes were limited with foul trouble.
Judge, Hen-Rob are FR. And Judge made plays when we needed them.
And we still killed them in the paint even without that.
What I've seen is if play with this type of defensive intensity and we get our guards and bigs going in the same game we can beat a lot of people.
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We're always "out of sync" more than just about any other team in the country at this time of year . . . then we :pray: we get it (dare I say it) in-sync by the time conference season comes around. Hopefully this turns out to be a quality non-con win we've sorely missed the last couple of years.
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we can beat a lot of people.
yeah, fun game.
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3 for 11 from the floor out of Kelly/JHR/Judge
Just checked, and this is the first year of cats hoops for all of those dudes, bra. You didn't really think that Wally was the next Beasley, did you? (LOLz) Chillax.
Nope . . . didn't think that at Leyton.
I am chill . . . but craptastic basketball during significant stretches is still craptastic basketball, and part of it is driven by the fact that we've got a bunch of LBBIQ players on our team.
Nice Foul Jake!!
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Talking heads, talking heads, talking heads!!!
SethDavisHoops
Great game going on bt Dayton and Kansas State. Wildcats are up 7 with 2 mins to go. This is why I think B12 could be best league in U.S.
franfraschilla
Junkyard dog game between Kansas State and Dayton. Wildcats by 4 in a game that will have much meaning in March.
GaryParrisSnyder Headed for a nice ending between No. 18 Dayton & Kansas State. If you care, and if you have ESPNU, I'd advise tuning in. KSU is up 74-70.
GaryParrisSnyder Great shirt from a Kansas State fan in the stands in Puerto Rico. His shirt reads: "I miss Manhattan."
GaryParrisSnyder Final: KSU 83, No. 18 Dayton 75. Nice win for Frank Martin, who is proving he's more than just the guy who coached Mike Beasley.
franfraschilla
Frank Martin gets a great win for Kansas State and the Big 12 and he slmost smiled!
And we just beat a top 20 non-con opponent (first time since 2000), I'm not gonna argue.... :rolleyes:
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jfc, dax. this was a really good win for a variety of reasons, but most importantly because it was the opposite of a loss.
p.s. that coach'em up Dayton team shot 59% from the FT line.
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Great logic Zacker . . . the other team really sucks at FT, so lets keep them in the game with our $hitty FT shooting. :thumbsup:
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dax I'll give you this, the timing and subject matter of your meltdowns is unlike anyone else.
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They played Friday night and Frank worked them for three hours yesterday. Legs weren't going to be there, especially against a hard-nosed defensive team.
Effort was much better today than it's been all year. But, yeah, need some polish.
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Great logic Zacker . . . the other team really sucks at FT, so lets keep them in the game with our $hitty FT shooting. :thumbsup:
with all the sh*tty things we did, we beat a good team on a nuetral site. but by all means, be pissed about it. we're the angriest fans in america for a reason.
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This thread actually makes me miss the daily pillow fights between Ben and Dax. Nice of Dax to assume the sourpuss role stangely vacated by Rusty for the night.
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Not pi$$ed at all . . . I am glad we beat what will likely turn out to be a pretty decent but not great Dayton team.
Next time, just do a few little simple things (that it seems like we can hardly ever do) and we run away with this game by 20.
LOL at FranFrisch . . . if there was ever a guy who appreciated ugly ass basketball it's Fran.
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We're not going to blow any team out by 20+ once conference play starts. Doesn't mean we're not a good team...just not a team capable of blowing other teams out. I'm ok with that.
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was our FT shooting better today?? Seemed like it to me, but i could be mistaken.
Also, Dax if you want to meltdown about something, try Samuels "kick"
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We're not going to blow any team out by 20+ once conference play starts. Doesn't mean we're not a good team...just not a team capable of blowing other teams out. I'm ok with that.
That might be true . . . but hey, lets help out the cause by actually having something that sniffs at a HBBIQ every once in awhile.
I guess "only" missing 17 FT's is "better".
Yeah, not very smart of Samuals, but what do you expect . . . our players aren't that smart to begin with.
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if you want to meltdown about something, try Samuels "kick"
9 times out of 10 he gets away with that, so you can hardly blame him. just tip your cap to refs and try again another day.
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Next time, just do a few little simple things (that it seems like we can hardly ever do) and we run away with this game by 20.
I can understand this, I said the same in the first half. And then we get them down 15 and have 3 great looks from behind the arc. Then Sutton gets in foul trouble and all of a sudden Dayton is back in the game. Regardless, there were many opportunities to win more comfortably. And as far as LBBIQ, I mainly attributed that to Jam-Sam down the stretch.
But IMO at the end of the day we did enough to win against what will likely be another tournament team, a team that returned nearly everyone from a team that beat Huggs in the first round last year before losing to Kansas.
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We're not going to blow any team out by 20+ once conference play starts. Doesn't mean we're not a good team...just not a team capable of blowing other teams out. I'm ok with that.
You realize we play CU twice, right?
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You realize we play CU twice, right?
cu is a lot better this year. nu is the only likely "easy" sweep.
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franfraschilla
Junkyard dog game between Kansas State and Dayton. Wildcats by 4 in a game that will have much meaning in March.
This. ^
VERY important win on a lot of levels, biggest maybe being that this is the type of non-con resume builder we have lacked thus far under Martin.
:kstatriot:
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Dax, I get why you don't like the way Martin/Huggins teams play, but it can work. It isn't how I would like to build a team. - (I would sacrifice some athleticsm for some shooters and take fewer risks on defense).
Despite my disagreement, I have no problem with martin teaching the way he teaches - I wouldn't want him to run Princeton style sets or change the way he recruits because it isn't what he knows. Just because a large percentage of our points come off penetration and putbacks, it doesn't mean they count any less than a beautifully executed Princeton backdoor. It works for him, and he seems to do a fine job of recruiting players to fit his system, so why change?
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Don't stop dax. :woot:
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dumb thread.
-Bob Huggin's Cinci program was a feared monster. W(why)TF is that a bad thing? Would you rather have a bunch of nonathletic smart players who can drain free throws and cute jumpers but get physically dominated? If we went that route we'd be Texas Tech. We are what we are which is what we've been since Huggins came to Manhattan so this thread is a couple years late.
-the number of newcomers and freshman on the team will take some time to get used to playing together and acclimated to college ball. We weren't going to blow out anyone decent this early in the season.
-set plays are the most overused and overrated things in basketball. All you need is movement, entry pass skills and the ability to create using big athletic players.
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Dax, I get why you don't like the way Martin/Huggins teams play, but it can work. It isn't how I would like to build a team. - (I would sacrifice some athleticsm for some shooters and take fewer risks on defense).
Despite my disagreement, I have no problem with martin teaching the way he teaches - I wouldn't want him to run Princeton style sets or change the way he recruits because it isn't what he knows. Just because a large percentage of our points come off penetration and putbacks, it doesn't mean they count any less than a beautifully executed Princeton backdoor. It works for him, and he seems to do a fine job of recruiting players to fit his system, so why change?
Dude, I ain't calling for Jack "no dunks" Hartman here . . . just don't play like a bunch of dumbasses. A drive and "stick back" offense is fine by me as long we it doesn't take us 5 shots to actually get the "stick back" and we're just not throwing up prayers 65% of the time like we do.
Also, if you're going to thug it all up with ugly ass crash the boards basketball . . . shoot better FT's please.
Bull . . . didn't call for or demand any set plays, only commented that the few Frank runs are comical to say the least.
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Judge has that freshman-nervous-at-the-line thing. He is a good shooter and will snap out of it and learn to love those freebies at the line.
Samuels I think will be inconsistent this year before becoming very comfortable with going to the line next year.
Kelly, although he went 4-4 tonight, I'm not so sure of. Don't like his free throw style at all. Would love to see him develop into a 70 percent shooter because he's going to go to the line a lot.
Sutton, I don't want to see at the line in crunch time either.
No excuse for Clemente hitting 50 percent. Has to be be nails late in games.
Just don't see us being a good free throw shooting team this year. Hope for 60 to 65 percent with the ball in Clemente and Pullen's hands late. Would really be nice if one of two others would step up to be reliable (again, one of the down sides of Brown leaving).
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franfraschilla
Junkyard dog game between Kansas State and Dayton. Wildcats by 4 in a game that will have much meaning in March.
This. ^
VERY important win on a lot of levels, biggest maybe being that this is the type of non-con resume builder we have lacked thus far under Martin.
:kstatriot:
"The win was the first for K-State over a non-conference ranked team since beating No. 19 Iowa, 86-78, at home on Dec. 23, 2000, and was the first win over a ranked non-conference foe at a neutral site since beating No. 17 Arkansas, 47-46, in Kansas City on Dec. 27, 1980."
http://www.kstatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=400&ATCLID=204838567 (http://www.kstatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=400&ATCLID=204838567)
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Dax, I get why you don't like the way Martin/Huggins teams play, but it can work. It isn't how I would like to build a team. - (I would sacrifice some athleticsm for some shooters and take fewer risks on defense).
Despite my disagreement, I have no problem with martin teaching the way he teaches - I wouldn't want him to run Princeton style sets or change the way he recruits because it isn't what he knows. Just because a large percentage of our points come off penetration and putbacks, it doesn't mean they count any less than a beautifully executed Princeton backdoor. It works for him, and he seems to do a fine job of recruiting players to fit his system, so why change?
Dude, I ain't calling for Jack "no dunks" Hartman here . . . just don't play like a bunch of dumbasses. A drive and "stick back" offense is fine by me as long we it doesn't take us 5 shots to actually get the "stick back" and we're just not throwing up prayers 65% of the time like we do.
Also, if you're going to thug it all up with ugly ass crash the boards basketball . . . shoot better FT's please.
Bull . . . didn't call for or demand any set plays, only commented that the few Frank runs are comical to say the least.
they shot 48% from the field, 43% from 3, scored 83 points, and won. Who cares how that happened?
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Dax, I get why you don't like the way Martin/Huggins teams play, but it can work. It isn't how I would like to build a team. - (I would sacrifice some athleticsm for some shooters and take fewer risks on defense).
Despite my disagreement, I have no problem with martin teaching the way he teaches - I wouldn't want him to run Princeton style sets or change the way he recruits because it isn't what he knows. Just because a large percentage of our points come off penetration and putbacks, it doesn't mean they count any less than a beautifully executed Princeton backdoor. It works for him, and he seems to do a fine job of recruiting players to fit his system, so why change?
Dude, I ain't calling for Jack "no dunks" Hartman here . . . just don't play like a bunch of dumbasses. A drive and "stick back" offense is fine by me as long we it doesn't take us 5 shots to actually get the "stick back" and we're just not throwing up prayers 65% of the time like we do.
Also, if you're going to thug it all up with ugly ass crash the boards basketball . . . shoot better FT's please.
Bull . . . didn't call for or demand any set plays, only commented that the few Frank runs are comical to say the least.
they shot 48% from the field, 43% from 3, scored 83 points, and won. Who cares how that happened?
ANGRY DAX DOES
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Dax, I get why you don't like the way Martin/Huggins teams play, but it can work. It isn't how I would like to build a team. - (I would sacrifice some athleticsm for some shooters and take fewer risks on defense).
Despite my disagreement, I have no problem with martin teaching the way he teaches - I wouldn't want him to run Princeton style sets or change the way he recruits because it isn't what he knows. Just because a large percentage of our points come off penetration and putbacks, it doesn't mean they count any less than a beautifully executed Princeton backdoor. It works for him, and he seems to do a fine job of recruiting players to fit his system, so why change?
Dude, I ain't calling for Jack "no dunks" Hartman here . . . just don't play like a bunch of dumbasses. A drive and "stick back" offense is fine by me as long we it doesn't take us 5 shots to actually get the "stick back" and we're just not throwing up prayers 65% of the time like we do.
Also, if you're going to thug it all up with ugly ass crash the boards basketball . . . shoot better FT's please.
Bull . . . didn't call for or demand any set plays, only commented that the few Frank runs are comical to say the least.
they shot 48% from the field, 43% from 3, scored 83 points, and won. Who cares how that happened?
Holy crap cRusty . . . you go from talking about an entire offensive system, to the shooting for ONE game.
:thumbsup: :rolleyes:
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Dax, I get why you don't like the way Martin/Huggins teams play, but it can work. It isn't how I would like to build a team. - (I would sacrifice some athleticsm for some shooters and take fewer risks on defense).
Despite my disagreement, I have no problem with martin teaching the way he teaches - I wouldn't want him to run Princeton style sets or change the way he recruits because it isn't what he knows. Just because a large percentage of our points come off penetration and putbacks, it doesn't mean they count any less than a beautifully executed Princeton backdoor. It works for him, and he seems to do a fine job of recruiting players to fit his system, so why change?
Dude, I ain't calling for Jack "no dunks" Hartman here . . . just don't play like a bunch of dumbasses. A drive and "stick back" offense is fine by me as long we it doesn't take us 5 shots to actually get the "stick back" and we're just not throwing up prayers 65% of the time like we do.
Also, if you're going to thug it all up with ugly ass crash the boards basketball . . . shoot better FT's please.
Bull . . . didn't call for or demand any set plays, only commented that the few Frank runs are comical to say the least.
they shot 48% from the field, 43% from 3, scored 83 points, and won. Who cares how that happened?
Holy crap cRusty . . . you go from talking about an entire offensive system, to the shooting for ONE game.
:thumbsup: :rolleyes:
what offensive system should KSU look like?
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Dax, LBBIQ plays happen a lot at the beginning of the year for many reasons. Getting a feel for each other, nerves, trying to do too much etc and so forth. I expect these LBBIQ plays to decrease as the season progresses. So just relax and enjoy a good victory. I know you won't, but you should.
BTW, I'm not sure Dax and I would be friends in real life. But I certainly do like you on this MB. :thumbsup:
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Our starting center....his first year
Judge...raw
McGruder...first year
Russell...first year
JHR...already better than any other center we've had in a long time...but still raw. Can defend the rim.
Pullen...being Pullen
Clemente....playing smarter..but still f'ing up too many times
JamSam...spotty but doing a better job at being aggressive
Sutton...when he wants to play...we win...He pwned Dayton continually
alot of youth mixed in with leadership not being leaders.
They'll come around....Turn in your EMAW cards if anyone wants to cash in 4 games into the season. Thanks. :lol:
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Junkyard dog game
OMFG :love:
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Dax, I get why you don't like the way Martin/Huggins teams play, but it can work. It isn't how I would like to build a team. - (I would sacrifice some athleticsm for some shooters and take fewer risks on defense).
Despite my disagreement, I have no problem with martin teaching the way he teaches - I wouldn't want him to run Princeton style sets or change the way he recruits because it isn't what he knows. Just because a large percentage of our points come off penetration and putbacks, it doesn't mean they count any less than a beautifully executed Princeton backdoor. It works for him, and he seems to do a fine job of recruiting players to fit his system, so why change?
Dude, I ain't calling for Jack "no dunks" Hartman here . . . just don't play like a bunch of dumbasses. A drive and "stick back" offense is fine by me as long we it doesn't take us 5 shots to actually get the "stick back" and we're just not throwing up prayers 65% of the time like we do.
Also, if you're going to thug it all up with ugly ass crash the boards basketball . . . shoot better FT's please.
Bull . . . didn't call for or demand any set plays, only commented that the few Frank runs are comical to say the least.
they shot 48% from the field, 43% from 3, scored 83 points, and won. Who cares how that happened?
Holy crap cRusty . . . you go from talking about an entire offensive system, to the shooting for ONE game.
:thumbsup: :rolleyes:
what offensive system should KSU look like?
No "system" . . . just more under control. But hey, it appears that your boy Denny can do no wrong and has a perpetual green light . . . so keep firing Denny, you won't see the bench.
Geezus . . . I never once said I wanted them to run the four corners or the frankin Princeton offense . . . :rolleyes:
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Wait, wasn't it our goal to be a Bob Huggins Cincy style program :confused:
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Wait, wasn't it our goal to be a Bob Huggins Cincy style program :confused:
I think so, and its what I expected Frank to do as well. He's doing a good job of it.
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No "system" . . . just more under control. But hey, it appears that your boy Denny can do no wrong and has a perpetual green light . . . so keep firing Denny, you won't see the bench.
Geezus . . . I never once said I wanted them to run the four corners or the frankin Princeton offense . . . :rolleyes:
ok, do any teams look good to you so far this season?
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TALKING HEADS!?!?! Seth Davis from CBS Sports:
Kansas State looked pretty good while beating a tough Dayton squad in Puerto Rico. I know their talented (if undersized) guards Jacob Pullen and Denis Clemente will get most of the pub this year, but I was impressed with the decisions made by the Wildcats' best two big men, Curtis Kelly and freshman Wally Judge. This is a rugged team that is tailor-made for Big 12 basketball.
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TALKING HEADS!?!?! Seth Davis from CBS Sports:
Kansas State looked pretty good while beating a tough Dayton squad in Puerto Rico. I know their talented (if undersized) guards Jacob Pullen and Denis Clemente will get most of the pub this year, but I was impressed with the decisions made by the Wildcats' best two big men, Curtis Kelly and freshman Wally Judge. This is a rugged team that is tailor-made for Big 12 basketball.
JamSam kicked himself out of a twitter mention. :steadymobbin':
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"Rugged". :love:
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Seth Davis' Top 25!!! :ksu:
http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/hoop_thoughts?eref=fromSI
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Only care about K-State . . . do not care about other teams . . . thank you
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Only care about K-State . . . do not care about other teams . . . thank you
If you care about K-State, don't sell us short for the Dayton win. When we played #21 Dayton, they had wins over Creighton (tourny team), Georgia Tech (tourny team), and a 6pt. loss to 'Nova (tourny team).
Who knows whether they will finish in the top-25. What I do know is that they will compete with Xavier to win the A-10 and they'll be dancing. I'd bet that they will be ranked in the top-25.
We certainly looked "rugged" at times (see last 5 minutes of the game), but I thought we looked quite good for the first 35 minutes of the game (see 15 point lead). I was very impressed with our ability to grow from our laughable/disgusting performance against Ole Miss.
We corrected and executed many of the problem areas that we had against Miss. (zone offense, rebounding, perimeter shooting). Still not happy with our FT shooting, though.
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Who is selling K-State short . . . just want K-State to be better, quit the silly mistakes that some of our most experienced guys are making.
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Get pissed Dax, get pissed. :kstatriot:
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Who is selling K-State short . . . just want K-State to be better, quit the silly mistakes that some of our most experienced guys are making.
GMAFB, dude. We go out in our fifth game of the season and knock off the #21 team in the country and your reaction---
"Yeah . . . we beat 3-2, about to drop from the Top 25 team. Got worked like little bitches against Ole Miss."
We played like sh*t against Ole Miss. No doubt. But give some credit where credit is due. Dayton is an excellent win. They'll be in the tourny, may win their conference, and will probably finish in the top-25. Good Marquee win. Good RPI boost.
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Wait, wasn't it our goal to be a Bob Huggins Cincy style program :confused:
Isn't that pretty much the basis for our MCMW battle cry?