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Title: Freshmen
Post by: bfred on November 13, 2009, 09:42:43 PM
Last 5 min consisting of our recruiting class

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Title: Re: Freshman
Post by: hemmy on November 13, 2009, 09:47:22 PM
Nick Russell looked the best today.
Title: Re: Freshman
Post by: WildCatzPhreak on November 13, 2009, 09:54:34 PM
Russell, McGruder, Henriquez all looked pretty good.

Wally has the talent to be successful, but execution wise he isn't quite there yet.
Title: Re: Freshman
Post by: Bullfn33 on November 13, 2009, 09:57:57 PM
We're good!
Title: Re: Freshman
Post by: BillFiller on November 13, 2009, 11:00:12 PM
*freshmen  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Freshman
Post by: dohminator on November 14, 2009, 12:48:17 AM
*freshmen  :thumbsup:

Exactly.  We get 3 more years of these guys to watch them develop. The future is looking bright.
Title: Re: Freshman
Post by: JTKSU on November 14, 2009, 01:09:41 AM
Nick Russell looked the best today.

MCGRUDER!!!!  looked pretty damn nice too.  Those kids should really help soften up some zones for us.  J-Hen looks nice too.  Nice shot blocker, nice passer, very graceful for a freshman 7 footer.  Didn't get to see Tavious do much more than play some nice defense and run the point a bit.  Funny thing is, Judge looked more nervous/unsure than any of the other freshman, except for maybe Irv.  Can't wait to see Judge posterize some poor bastard in the near future.   :steadymobbin':
Title: Re: Freshman
Post by: Dick Knewheizel on November 14, 2009, 07:27:27 AM
Nick Russell looked the best today.

MCGRUDER!!!!  looked pretty damn nice too.  Those kids should really help soften up some zones for us.  J-Hen looks nice too.  Nice shot blocker, nice passer, very graceful for a freshman 7 footer.  Didn't get to see Tavious do much more than play some nice defense and run the point a bit.  Funny thing is, Judge looked more nervous/unsure than any of the other freshman, except for maybe Irv.  Can't wait to see Judge posterize some poor bastard in the near future.   :steadymobbin':

Serious question, is Henriquez more skilled as a Freshmen(realize he prepped a year) than Aldrich was as a true frosh?  Maybe not as polished a shooter, but his shot blocking, (can't tell on rebounding until we play a real team), passing, running the floor, general sense of where he's supposed to be is light years ahead of what I expected.

Any insight from a message board talent evaluator type would be appreciated.

Also, will his head grown into his body?
Title: Re: Freshman
Post by: 1albatross on November 14, 2009, 08:03:53 AM
Serious question, is Henriquez more skilled as a Freshmen(realize he prepped a year) than Aldrich was as a true frosh?  Maybe not as polished a shooter, but his shot blocking, (can't tell on rebounding until we play a real team), passing, running the floor, general sense of where he's supposed to be is light years ahead of what I expected.

Any insight from a message board talent evaluator type would be appreciated.

Also, will his head grown into his body?

Not even close.  Aldrich was a McD AA for a reason and had quite a bit of talent in front of him so he didn't see the court a ton his Freshmen year.  Aldrich had a better body as a Freshman and could definitely get off the ground more.  They are both extremely long though with Jordan having that advantage. 

JHR still needs how to play defense in college (all our bigs do).  JHR can be an even better shot blocker if he comes from the weak side while the main defender plays D while moving his feet.  I was surprised how well JHR passed the ball though.

JHR does have some upside though and his game will improve with strength and coaching.





Title: Re: Freshmen
Post by: steve dave on November 14, 2009, 08:08:08 AM
Love our class (assuming Judge adjusts).  JHR is going to be a player for us.
Title: Re: Freshmen
Post by: 1albatross on November 14, 2009, 08:52:18 AM
Love our class (assuming Judge adjusts).  JHR is going to be a player for us.

Judge will be fine.  Seemed a little nervous last night, but he sures runs the floor.

Russell will help.  Kid knows what he's doing.

JHR will probably not help a ton this year.  He will contribute some though.  If he plays defense and just alters shots, that will do more for us than him leaving his feet and trying to block every shot.

Want to see what McGruder can do earlier in a game.

Irving definitely didn't play enough for me to form an opinion.
Title: Re: Freshmen
Post by: steve dave on November 14, 2009, 08:54:26 AM
Irving definitely didn't play enough for me to form an opinion.

Irving has looked pretty crappy in the first two games.  Want Fred back  :'(
Title: Re: Freshmen
Post by: michigancat on November 14, 2009, 08:55:48 AM
MCGRUDER!!!!'s and 1.

:love:
Title: Re: Freshman
Post by: doom on November 14, 2009, 09:31:05 AM
Serious question, is Henriquez more skilled as a Freshmen(realize he prepped a year) than Aldrich was as a true frosh?  Maybe not as polished a shooter, but his shot blocking, (can't tell on rebounding until we play a real team), passing, running the floor, general sense of where he's supposed to be is light years ahead of what I expected.

Any insight from a message board talent evaluator type would be appreciated.

Also, will his head grown into his body?

Not even close.  Aldrich was a McD AA for a reason and had quite a bit of talent in front of him so he didn't see the court a ton his Freshmen year.  Aldrich had a better body as a Freshman and could definitely get off the ground more.  They are both extremely long though with Jordan having that advantage. 

JHR still needs how to play defense in college (all our bigs do).  JHR can be an even better shot blocker if he comes from the weak side while the main defender plays D while moving his feet.  I was surprised how well JHR passed the ball though.

JHR does have some upside though and his game will improve with strength and coaching.




The real difference between the two at the freshman parts of their careers is having a back to the basket game.  Cole could do it, JHR cannot.  Most of it is due to the size albotros mentioned.  I think JHR is a better raw athlete and Cole had actually fundamental skill to go with his size.  In HS JHR could get away with a lot due to his size kind of like how Bennett came in and had to relearn how to play in the post.  Jordan will get better, but that back to the basket piece is crucial to JHR being a meaningful player.  If anyone can get him there it's Scott and Frank. 
Title: Re: Freshmen
Post by: feralchat on November 14, 2009, 10:21:52 AM
Meaningful player or true offensive post?
He's going to be a meaningful player from his defensive presence alone.

Also wondering if Wally didn't have a touch of the flu. He only played in short stretches. Of course, that could reflect how he was practicing and performing.
Title: Re: Freshman
Post by: Dick Knewheizel on November 14, 2009, 10:45:25 AM
Serious question, is Henriquez more skilled as a Freshmen(realize he prepped a year) than Aldrich was as a true frosh?  Maybe not as polished a shooter, but his shot blocking, (can't tell on rebounding until we play a real team), passing, running the floor, general sense of where he's supposed to be is light years ahead of what I expected.

Any insight from a message board talent evaluator type would be appreciated.

Also, will his head grown into his body?

Not even close.  Aldrich was a McD AA for a reason and had quite a bit of talent in front of him so he didn't see the court a ton his Freshmen year.  Aldrich had a better body as a Freshman and could definitely get off the ground more.  They are both extremely long though with Jordan having that advantage. 

JHR still needs how to play defense in college (all our bigs do).  JHR can be an even better shot blocker if he comes from the weak side while the main defender plays D while moving his feet.  I was surprised how well JHR passed the ball though.

JHR does have some upside though and his game will improve with strength and coaching.




The real difference between the two at the freshman parts of their careers is having a back to the basket game.  Cole could do it, JHR cannot.  Most of it is due to the size albotros mentioned.  I think JHR is a better raw athlete and Cole had actually fundamental skill to go with his size.  In HS JHR could get away with a lot due to his size kind of like how Bennett came in and had to relearn how to play in the post.  Jordan will get better, but that back to the basket piece is crucial to JHR being a meaningful player.  If anyone can get him there it's Scott and Frank. 

Not sure what you've guys have been watching, but Aldrich didn't have a back-to-the-basket move until the Pitt State game this season.  Also, he was a terrible defender his Frosh and pretty average last year, as I'm afraid JHR will be.  Would like to point out the difference b/w shot blocking and playing good defense, which are totally different things although often confused as the same.

I think I agree that Cole was probably more refined that JHR, seems like each player does certain things better than the other, respectively at that age.  Cole >>>> JHR free throws

Not sure JHR has a higher ceiling either.  And don't give me any McD AA bs, did you see our McD AA last night?

Just refreshing to have a 7'er that can put one leg in front of the other.  Still can't believe at how good he is, must have had tremendously low expectations.  I was thinking the black Joe Leonard.
Title: Re: Freshmen
Post by: michigancat on November 14, 2009, 10:55:25 AM
Aldrich has never been a terrible defender.  I think JHR has a lot to learn, but he's far from terrible defensively.
Title: Re: Freshmen
Post by: Dick Knewheizel on November 14, 2009, 11:01:58 AM
my bad, below average college level defender (regardless of class)
Title: Re: Freshmen
Post by: michigancat on November 14, 2009, 11:03:59 AM
my bad, below average college level defender (regardless of class)

no
Title: Re: Freshmen
Post by: Dick Knewheizel on November 14, 2009, 11:07:22 AM
my bad, below average college level defender (regardless of class)

no

yes
Title: Re: Freshmen
Post by: jaa1025 on November 14, 2009, 03:33:50 PM
Cole sucked his Freshman year...he improved a lot his second season and played very good defense. Not sure where you get he was a bad defender.
Title: Re: Freshmen
Post by: yosh on November 14, 2009, 05:21:05 PM
Freshman stat line:  9-14 27 pts, 12 rbs, 9 ast, 1 to, 5 blks 3 stls in 61 mins.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Freshmen
Post by: doom on November 14, 2009, 05:33:50 PM
He had a back to the basket move last year.  Maybe not so much his frosh year.  But Jordan needs to get the physicality to bang in the post.  Right now he's too skinny to impose any sort of will on anyone who isn't in the summit league.  Because of that he only faces the basket, which will not work for him in the big 12s. 
Title: Re: Freshmen
Post by: Dick Knewheizel on November 15, 2009, 11:07:30 AM
Cole sucked his Freshman year...he improved a lot his second season and played very good defense. Not sure where you get he was a bad defender.

trying to compare each as a Freshman, hence the original question

If JHR improves as much as Snowcoat (even 1/2 as much), I think we'll have a really good player, which nobody saw coming (at least not me)
Title: Re: Freshmen
Post by: cas on November 15, 2009, 02:03:12 PM
hilarious watching irving try to run out the clock.