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Title: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: Kellis on October 30, 2009, 08:45:34 AM
Word is that Daniel Thomas has a banged up shoulder. 

Will Coach Snyder hesitate to move Lamark to running back?
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation
Post by: Pett on October 30, 2009, 08:46:56 AM
Will Coach Snyder hesitate to move Lamark to running back?

Dear god, you come back here at all of the wrong times... :blindfold:
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: Pete on October 30, 2009, 08:50:53 AM
Good question Kellis.

I am kinda nervous about this as well.  Would be good to see someone other than Keithen Freaking Valentine as a backup to Thomas.
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: d_scott on October 30, 2009, 08:51:51 AM
Good question Kellis.

I am kinda nervous about this as well.  Would be good to see someone other than Keithen Freaking Valentine as a backup to Thomas.

Speak for yourself. :curse:
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: KSUTOMMY on October 30, 2009, 08:53:11 AM
DT is a baller, I think his arm would have to have fallen off for him to sit out.
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: catzacker on October 30, 2009, 08:57:18 AM
If Brandon Harold was our RB, then I'd be concerned.  He's apparently majoring in FP with a minor in TC. 
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: ew2x4 on October 30, 2009, 09:09:04 AM
Good question Kellis.

I am kinda nervous about this as well.  Would be good to see someone other than Keithen Freaking Valentine as a backup to Thomas.

KV has been great this year.
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: Pete on October 30, 2009, 09:58:51 AM
Good question Kellis.

I am kinda nervous about this as well.  Would be good to see someone other than Keithen Freaking Valentine as a backup to Thomas.

KV has been great this year.

 :flush:
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: The Nasti on October 30, 2009, 10:29:33 AM
Good question Kellis.

I am kinda nervous about this as well.  Would be good to see someone other than Keithen Freaking Valentine as a backup to Thomas.

KV has been great this year.

 :flush:

Keithen, if given the same carries as DT, would be averaging about 3 yards per carry AND we'd probably have to throw the ball more. It would be a disaster, but if DT does have to sit at all I doubt Snyder moves Lamark to RB. Any word on the type of injury - bruised? structural damage?

 :billypopcorn:
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: steve dave on October 30, 2009, 10:31:06 AM
I heard it was one of those injuries that's going to nag him a long time.  I would expect it to be an issue the rest of the season though hopefully it's not.  I am 100% behind sitting him this game.  
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: michigancat on October 30, 2009, 10:31:53 AM
could we expect to win another game with a healthy Daniel Thomas?

:dunno:
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: LimestoneOutcropping on October 30, 2009, 10:38:03 AM
I heard it was one of those injuries that's going to nag him a long time.  I would expect it to be an issue the rest of the season though hopefully it's not.  I am 100% behind sitting him this game.  

Super secret pm from someone who has seen his MRI?   :runaway:
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: kcchiefdav on October 30, 2009, 10:41:17 AM
Sounds semi-serious, I guess we'll have to rest him this week...and GG, and Lemark, Banks, The entire D-line, the O-line, Lamur.
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: steve dave on October 30, 2009, 10:41:33 AM
I heard it was one of those injuries that's going to nag him a long time.  I would expect it to be an issue the rest of the season though hopefully it's not.  I am 100% behind sitting him this game.  

Super secret pm from someone who has seen his MRI?   :runaway:

No, just people talking :dunno:
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: LimestoneOutcropping on October 30, 2009, 11:12:28 AM
I heard it was one of those injuries that's going to nag him a long time.  I would expect it to be an issue the rest of the season though hopefully it's not.  I am 100% behind sitting him this game.  

Super secret pm from someone who has seen his MRI?   :runaway:

No, just people talking :dunno:

 :ohno:
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: Belvis Noland on October 30, 2009, 11:29:39 AM
could we expect to win another game with a healthy Daniel Thomas?

:dunno:

Yes.  But, obvioulsy you have doubts.  So let's hear 'em.  Instead of talking sh*t, spell it out for us.  Why are ku, MU, and NU superior, this year?  Team by team, why are they stronger than us?  Explain why you expect us to lose each game.

I'm all ears.     
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: KSUTOMMY on October 30, 2009, 11:33:18 AM
curious - when did the alleged injury take place? He has looked pretty damned good this year and as we all know - guys play injured all the time.
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: BBF$$Cat on October 30, 2009, 12:31:29 PM
curious - when did the alleged injury take place? He has looked pretty damned good this year and as we all know - guys play injured all the time.
Rewatch the Colorado game the play befor he scores the like 5 yrd TD...... :pray:
I am wit SD this let DT have a  :billypopcorn: and  :beerchug: this week for heal time
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: NachoWallace on October 30, 2009, 12:38:32 PM
Pretty sure he's been playing hurt most of the season. A true testament to his beastliness. I bet a cortisone shot will do wonders.

That said, I can not believe the Keithen hate. What's up with that?
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: Skydog on October 30, 2009, 12:52:41 PM
Pretty sure he's been playing hurt most of the season. A true testament to his beastliness. I bet a cortisone shot will do wonders.

That said, I can not believe the Keithen hate. What's up with that?

Mostly because he's just not that good.

Although he has proven to be a serviceable back this year, which exceeds my expectations.  But we need much more than a "serviceable" back given the rest of our offense.  :-[
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: frankencat on October 30, 2009, 01:02:42 PM
Word is that Daniel Thomas has a banged up shoulder. 

Will Coach Snyder hesitate to move Lamark to running back?


Put some tape on it give him a pat on the ass and tell him to go getum
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: GoodForAnother on October 30, 2009, 01:55:09 PM
We shouldn't expect to win another game period TBH.

Our fans are amazing at going from "OMG, we suck" to "THIS TEAM JUST DOESN'T LOSE AT NIGHT"
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: Dick Knewheizel on October 30, 2009, 01:59:38 PM
curious - when did the alleged injury take place? He has looked pretty damned good this year and as we all know - guys play injured all the time.

Since the OOC games
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: DoDRepeat on October 30, 2009, 02:15:57 PM
I've heard he's a little sore, but nothing that's going to keep him out of action.

And for those of you who think KV is good (or has had a great year), you're an idiot.
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: michigancat on October 30, 2009, 02:17:32 PM
could we expect to win another game with a healthy Daniel Thomas?

:dunno:

Yes.  But, obvioulsy you have doubts.  So let's hear 'em.  Instead of talking sh*t, spell it out for us.  Why are ku, MU, and NU superior, this year?  Team by team, why are they stronger than us?  Explain why you expect us to lose each game.

I'm all ears.    

I don't know, that's why I was asking.  Why would we expect to win any of our remaining games?  Because ISU beat NU 9-7 and CU beat ku?  

Really?
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: NachoWallace on October 30, 2009, 02:42:34 PM
Um, not saying Keithen should start or anything, and I don't think anyone is.

But, for a #2 back, I don't see what is "not good" about an average of 7.5 yards per carry and zero fumbles. It's quite possible that I'm an idiot though, so please feel free to clear that up for me. Until that's clarified, I contend that the dude is a good change of pace and has been making some pretty good cuts. 
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation
Post by: steve dave on October 30, 2009, 02:46:25 PM
Um, not saying Keithen should start or anything, and I don't think anyone is.

But, for a #2 back, I don't see what is "not good" about an average of 7.5 yards per carry and zero fumbles. It's quite possible that I'm an idiot though, so please feel free to clear that up for me. Until that's clarified, I contend that the dude is a good change of pace and has been making some pretty good cuts. 

He wouldn't start for any team in the Big 12 though, barring injury (luckily that includes us since it didn't last season)
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: Pete on October 30, 2009, 02:54:08 PM
Um, not saying Keithen should start or anything, and I don't think anyone is.

But, for a #2 back, I don't see what is "not good" about an average of 7.5 yards per carry and zero fumbles. It's quite possible that I'm an idiot though, so please feel free to clear that up for me. Until that's clarified, I contend that the dude is a good change of pace and has been making some pretty good cuts. 

He's probably the worst backup running back we have had under Snyder since 1992.
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: berford on October 30, 2009, 03:22:50 PM
I'd like to see Childs get some carries. I think he runs hard. He and Valentine could make a good 1-2 punch if Daniel can't go.

 :ksu:
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: PowercatPat on October 30, 2009, 03:23:18 PM
Um, not saying Keithen should start or anything, and I don't think anyone is.

But, for a #2 back, I don't see what is "not good" about an average of 7.5 yards per carry and zero fumbles. It's quite possible that I'm an idiot though, so please feel free to clear that up for me. Until that's clarified, I contend that the dude is a good change of pace and has been making some pretty good cuts. 

Agreed. I actually don't think he is that bad. He's certainly not great, but he is better than what people on here think imo.
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation
Post by: steve dave on October 30, 2009, 03:43:37 PM
I'd like to see Childs get some carries. I think he runs hard. He and Valentine could make a good 1-2 punch if Daniel can't go.

 :ksu:

If by good you mean terrible then I agree
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: NachoWallace on October 30, 2009, 04:39:49 PM
The Valentine haters have made a very rational and persuasive argument. Color me convinced. How embarrassing for me and my LFBIQ.  :blush:

How can we overcome that suckitude? Throw those 6-10 downs per game he's currently getting carries? Give the rock to Wilson? Put Rodney Kenner in the mix? Personally, I think I would like to see some more quarterback draws.
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: jrod06 on October 30, 2009, 04:45:31 PM
DT has been playing banged up all year guys, remember prior to this season he hadnt played football in a year and a half, let alone D1. I've been told it has been more sore than normal, but the training/injury staff have been godlike with their healing powers and with a little cortisone shot he'll play sunday.
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: Belvis Noland on October 30, 2009, 04:52:56 PM

I don't know, that's why I was asking.  Why would we expect to win any of our remaining games?  Because ISU beat NU 9-7 and CU beat ku?  


Let's just discuss the North opponents.  I'm optimistic, but not so much as to see an OU upset.  

1.  We beat ISU and CU.  These teams have beaten NU and ku respectively.   This tells me that every team in the North is on an even playing field.  Call me crazy.

2.  We have the best coach in the Big XII North.

3.  We have homefield advantage in both ku and MU games.  

4.  We have a better running game than ku, MU, and NU.

5.  We have a better defense than ku and MU.  

The 5 foregoing facts lead me to believe that we have better than a 50% chance of beating ku and MU at home.  We play fundamental defense.  And we run the ball well.  We are not a great team, by any stretch of the imagination.  Don't have the athletes to compete with the South.  Fortunately, we play in the North.  And in the North, we do have the athletes to compete.

So, to answer your question, I don't expect to win these games.  I do not, however, expect to lose.  I think we're favored in both the ku and MU home games.  
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: michigancat on October 31, 2009, 11:46:20 AM

I don't know, that's why I was asking.  Why would we expect to win any of our remaining games?  Because ISU beat NU 9-7 and CU beat ku? 


Let's just discuss the North opponents.  I'm optimistic, but not so much as to see an OU upset. 

1.  We beat ISU and CU.  These teams have beaten NU and ku respectively.   This tells me that every team in the North is on an even playing field.  Call me crazy.

2.  We have the best coach in the Big XII North.

3.  We have homefield advantage in both ku and MU games. 

4.  We have a better running game than ku, MU, and NU.

5.  We have a better defense than ku and MU. 

The 5 foregoing facts lead me to believe that we have better than a 50% chance of beating ku and MU at home.  We play fundamental defense.  And we run the ball well.  We are not a great team, by any stretch of the imagination.  Don't have the athletes to compete with the South.  Fortunately, we play in the North.  And in the North, we do have the athletes to compete.

So, to answer your question, I don't expect to win these games.  I do not, however, expect to lose.  I think we're favored in both the ku and MU home games. 

You're crazy, dude.
Title: Re: Can State expect to win another game given Daniel Thomas' shoulder situation?
Post by: Pete on October 31, 2009, 12:09:50 PM
Um, not saying Keithen should start or anything, and I don't think anyone is.

But, for a #2 back, I don't see what is "not good" about an average of 7.5 yards per carry and zero fumbles. It's quite possible that I'm an idiot though, so please feel free to clear that up for me. Until that's clarified, I contend that the dude is a good change of pace and has been making some pretty good cuts. 

Agreed. I actually don't think he is that bad. He's certainly not great, but he is better than what people on here think imo.

Name one 2nd string running back that we have had since 1993, under Snyder, that was worse than Valentine.  I can't do it.