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My wife, daughter (3 years old) and I moved to wamego the 1st of August, but haven't been able to find a church yet. I am Methodist and my wife is Non-denominational. When I was going to KSU (back in late 90's) I went to the Methodist church on Poyntz. I really enjoyed going there, because there were a lot of college kids that were there too. Also, the minister that was there was great. I really enjoyed listening to him.
The bells that they had were tremendous and every now and then, they would have other choirs coming in to sing. Is that minister still there? Since I grew up Methodist, I would really like to go to a Methodist church. If that same minister isn't at the church on Poyntz, how do you like the minister there now?
Thanks for the help.
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Shouldn't this be on the World Forum? I'm offended.
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Someone needs to tell Stormnut that women are not allowed to administer the holy sacraments.
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Someone needs to tell Stormnut that women are not allowed to administer the holy sacraments.
Well that is a Catholic and crazy cult Christan thing, not a Methodist thing. Of course the Methodist are thinking about allowing gay pastors so :facepalm:
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Someone needs to tell Stormnut that women are not allowed to administer the holy sacraments.
Well that is a Catholic and crazy cult Christan thing, not a Methodist thing. Of course the Methodist are thinking about allowing gay pastors so :facepalm:
Lutheran ELCA just started allowing gay pastors... that denomination is getting farther and farther away from Missouri Synod.
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meh. prob total fail on my part to sh*t on the thread. i'm all for jesus sucking a big fat d*ck, but i should have done a better job imo.
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You put John Elway and ten Presbyterian women together and they could beat most NFL teams. jus sayin
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Someone needs to tell Stormnut that women are not allowed to administer the holy sacraments.
Well that is a Catholic and crazy cult Christan thing, not a Methodist thing. Of course the Methodist are thinking about allowing gay pastors so :facepalm:
And not allowing gay pastors isn't a "crazy cult" thing? Interesting.
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meh. prob total fail on my part to sh*t on the thread. i'm all for jesus sucking a big fat d*ck, but i should have done a better job imo.
From this point on, you are ignored. :blindfold:
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Damn... I worked on a loan application for a gay pastor a few months ago. I don't have his info anymore though. I looked him up at the time. Somewhere in the north east. He was a gay fag and talked to church people for money.
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Someone needs to tell Stormnut that women are not allowed to administer the holy sacraments.
Nuns can administer the Holy Sacraments.
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Someone needs to tell Stormnut that women are not allowed to administer the holy sacraments.
Nuns can administer the Holy Sacraments.
Jesuit, Franciscan, Benedictine......which ones, or all? Tia.
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Someone needs to tell Stormnut that women are not allowed to administer the holy sacraments.
Nuns can administer the Holy Sacraments.
Jesuit, Franciscan, Benedictine......which ones, or all? Tia.
Don't know.. just know I've seen nuns administer the Sacraments in lieu of a Priest. The Catholic church didn't implode and Satan didn't come out of the ground.. although I did see a porn cartoon with nuns that were captured by Satan and he did evil things to them...
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Someone needs to tell Stormnut that women are not allowed to administer the holy sacraments.
Well that is a Catholic and crazy cult Christan thing, not a Methodist thing. Of course the Methodist are thinking about allowing gay pastors so :facepalm:
Lutheran ELCA just started allowing gay pastors... that denomination is getting farther and farther away from Missouri Synod.
That's a GOOD thing, dude. I am very, very familiar with he Missouri Synod. Full of Nazis. Well intentioned Nazis, but Nazis' none the less.
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Someone needs to tell Stormnut that women are not allowed to administer the holy sacraments.
Well that is a Catholic and crazy cult Christan thing, not a Methodist thing. Of course the Methodist are thinking about allowing gay pastors so :facepalm:
Lutheran ELCA just started allowing gay pastors... that denomination is getting farther and farther away from Missouri Synod.
That's a GOOD thing, dude. I am very, very familiar with he Missouri Synod. Full of Nazis. Well intentioned Nazis, but Nazis' none the less.
How about the Wisconsin Synod?
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Someone needs to tell Stormnut that women are not allowed to administer the holy sacraments.
Nuns can administer the Holy Sacraments.
Jesuit, Franciscan, Benedictine......which ones, or all? Tia.
Don't know.. just know I've seen nuns administer the Sacraments in lieu of a Priest. The Catholic church didn't implode and Satan didn't come out of the ground.. although I did see a porn cartoon with nuns that were captured by Satan and he did evil things to them...
I should have put my post in italics.
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Someone needs to tell Stormnut that women are not allowed to administer the holy sacraments.
Well that is a Catholic and crazy cult Christan thing, not a Methodist thing. Of course the Methodist are thinking about allowing gay pastors so :facepalm:
Lutheran ELCA just started allowing gay pastors... that denomination is getting farther and farther away from Missouri Synod.
That's a GOOD thing, dude. I am very, very familiar with he Missouri Synod. Full of Nazis. Well intentioned Nazis, but Nazis' none the less.
How about the Wisconsin Synod?
Gestapo, not simply Nazi's. True story. They don't allow DANCING!
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Someone needs to tell Stormnut that women are not allowed to administer the holy sacraments.
Well that is a Catholic and crazy cult Christan thing, not a Methodist thing. Of course the Methodist are thinking about allowing gay pastors so :facepalm:
Lutheran ELCA just started allowing gay pastors... that denomination is getting farther and farther away from Missouri Synod.
That's a GOOD thing, dude. I am very, very familiar with he Missouri Synod. Full of Nazis. Well intentioned Nazis, but Nazis' none the less.
How about the Wisconsin Synod?
Gestapo, not simply Nazi's. True story. They don't allow DANCING!
Really? I know a family that goes to the Wisconsin Synod Lutheran in KC. The kids go to dances all the time. The dad used to be a partying fool. He, and his older brother, grew up with in Ottumwa, IA with Tom Arnold. Many interesting stories. :beerchug:
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Someone needs to tell Stormnut that women are not allowed to administer the holy sacraments.
Well that is a Catholic and crazy cult Christan thing, not a Methodist thing. Of course the Methodist are thinking about allowing gay pastors so :facepalm:
Lutheran ELCA just started allowing gay pastors... that denomination is getting farther and farther away from Missouri Synod.
That's a GOOD thing, dude. I am very, very familiar with he Missouri Synod. Full of Nazis. Well intentioned Nazis, but Nazis' none the less.
How about the Wisconsin Synod?
Gestapo, not simply Nazi's. True story. They don't allow DANCING!
Really? I know a family that goes to the Wisconsin Synod Lutheran in KC. The kids go to dances all the time. The dad used to be a partying fool. He, and his older brother, grew up with in Ottumwa, IA with Tom Arnold. Many interesting stories. :beerchug:
They are the most conservative by far. The WI Synod congregation I was most familiar with was in Wauwatosa, WI...they were that way.
Not all are the same. As a kid I was in a Missouri Synod church. The congregation had to change the name of "Elders" to "Spiritual Life Leaders" so that they could let woman be Elders without getting into hot water with Synod leadership. Elders could assist with serving communion. So, the new woman "spiritual life leaders" could do this as well. It got so heated that they had to have one side of the alter have woman elders and the other have only men so that offended parishioners could choose to sit on the "men only" side if they wanted to.....and this was thought of as "Liberal" Missouri Synod congregation by the Synod.
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Someone needs to tell Stormnut that women are not allowed to administer the holy sacraments.
Well that is a Catholic and crazy cult Christan thing, not a Methodist thing. Of course the Methodist are thinking about allowing gay pastors so :facepalm:
Lutheran ELCA just started allowing gay pastors... that denomination is getting farther and farther away from Missouri Synod.
That's a GOOD thing, dude. I am very, very familiar with he Missouri Synod. Full of Nazis. Well intentioned Nazis, but Nazis' none the less.
How about the Wisconsin Synod?
Gestapo, not simply Nazi's. True story. They don't allow DANCING!
Really? I know a family that goes to the Wisconsin Synod Lutheran in KC. The kids go to dances all the time. The dad used to be a partying fool. He, and his older brother, grew up with in Ottumwa, IA with Tom Arnold. Many interesting stories. :beerchug:
They are the most conservative by far. The WI Synod congregation I was most familiar with was in Wauwatosa, WI...they were that way.
Not all are the same. As a kid I was in a Missouri Synod church. The congregation had to change the name of "Elders" to "Spiritual Life Leaders" so that they could let woman be Elders without getting into hot water with Synod leadership. Elders could assist with serving communion. So, the new woman "spiritual life leaders" could do this as well. It got so heated that they had to have one side of the alter have woman elders and the other have only men so that offended parishioners could choose to sit on the "men only" side if they wanted to.....and this was thought of as "Liberal" Missouri Synod congregation by the Synod.
Wowsers.....
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Someone needs to tell Stormnut that women are not allowed to administer the holy sacraments.
Well that is a Catholic and crazy cult Christan thing, not a Methodist thing. Of course the Methodist are thinking about allowing gay pastors so :facepalm:
Lutheran ELCA just started allowing gay pastors... that denomination is getting farther and farther away from Missouri Synod.
That's a GOOD thing, dude. I am very, very familiar with he Missouri Synod. Full of Nazis. Well intentioned Nazis, but Nazis' none the less.
How about the Wisconsin Synod?
Gestapo, not simply Nazi's. True story. They don't allow DANCING!
Really? I know a family that goes to the Wisconsin Synod Lutheran in KC. The kids go to dances all the time. The dad used to be a partying fool. He, and his older brother, grew up with in Ottumwa, IA with Tom Arnold. Many interesting stories. :beerchug:
They are the most conservative by far. The WI Synod congregation I was most familiar with was in Wauwatosa, WI...they were that way.
Not all are the same. As a kid I was in a Missouri Synod church. The congregation had to change the name of "Elders" to "Spiritual Life Leaders" so that they could let woman be Elders without getting into hot water with Synod leadership. Elders could assist with serving communion. So, the new woman "spiritual life leaders" could do this as well. It got so heated that they had to have one side of the alter have woman elders and the other have only men so that offended parishioners could choose to sit on the "men only" side if they wanted to.....and this was thought of as "Liberal" Missouri Synod congregation by the Synod.
In our rural Missouri Synod chruch, i think women finally were allowed to vote in meetings within the last 10 years. Don't think we will ever have women elders for a while. The church has been pretty consistent with how it was run in the last 125 years. I admit i actually like it that way. The fact that a lutheran division would allow gay or lesbian pastors is crazy to me and goes against a lot of things lutheran's stand for. But hey, everyone is entitled to their belief. I'm sure my grandparents would have something to say if they were still alive...
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Oddly enough, our church, which is a First Christian Church, does not allow women to be in a leadership position. I'm a *cough* Deacon, and find it rather odd, but the church started as part of the restoration movement.
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Someone needs to tell Stormnut that women are not allowed to administer the holy sacraments.
Well that is a Catholic and crazy cult Christan thing, not a Methodist thing. Of course the Methodist are thinking about allowing gay pastors so :facepalm:
Lutheran ELCA just started allowing gay pastors... that denomination is getting farther and farther away from Missouri Synod.
That's a GOOD thing, dude. I am very, very familiar with he Missouri Synod. Full of Nazis. Well intentioned Nazis, but Nazis' none the less.
How about the Wisconsin Synod?
Gestapo, not simply Nazi's. True story. They don't allow DANCING!
Really? I know a family that goes to the Wisconsin Synod Lutheran in KC. The kids go to dances all the time. The dad used to be a partying fool. He, and his older brother, grew up with in Ottumwa, IA with Tom Arnold. Many interesting stories. :beerchug:
They are the most conservative by far. The WI Synod congregation I was most familiar with was in Wauwatosa, WI...they were that way.
Not all are the same. As a kid I was in a Missouri Synod church. The congregation had to change the name of "Elders" to "Spiritual Life Leaders" so that they could let woman be Elders without getting into hot water with Synod leadership. Elders could assist with serving communion. So, the new woman "spiritual life leaders" could do this as well. It got so heated that they had to have one side of the alter have woman elders and the other have only men so that offended parishioners could choose to sit on the "men only" side if they wanted to.....and this was thought of as "Liberal" Missouri Synod congregation by the Synod.
In our rural Missouri Synod chruch, i think women finally were allowed to vote in meetings within the last 10 years. Don't think we will ever have women elders for a while. The church has been pretty consistent with how it was run in the last 125 years. I admit i actually like it that way. The fact that a lutheran division would allow gay or lesbian pastors is crazy to me and goes against a lot of things lutheran's stand for. But hey, everyone is entitled to their belief. I'm sure my grandparents would have something to say if they were still alive...
I respect your position man, because I was raised in that culture and I consider many of those people to be fundamentally "good" people.....but there isn't one single thing about the Lutheran faith that has anything to do with homosexuality, one way or the other. Nothing.
Dude, I have read Luther's small catechism, studied and contrasted Lutheranism with other Protestants and all other religions....It's NOT in there man. NO WHERE.
Now, YOUR particular congregation may have that slant to it, and that is completely their choice, but it's not a part of the Lutheran faith...or most main-stream non-evangelical protestant faiths (e.g. Methodist, Episcopal, Presbyterian).
I was actually proud when I heard the ELCA was going to do that....even though I wasn't raised in an ELCA congregation...just by loose relationship.....doesn't really matter too much to me though, I'm not a Lutheran anymore.
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In our rural Missouri Synod chruch, i think women finally were allowed to vote in meetings within the last 10 years. Don't think we will ever have women elders for a while. The church has been pretty consistent with how it was run in the last 125 years. I admit i actually like it that way. The fact that a lutheran division would allow gay or lesbian pastors is crazy to me and goes against a lot of things lutheran's stand for. But hey, everyone is entitled to their belief. I'm sure my grandparents would have something to say if they were still alive...
I respect your position man, because I was raised in that culture and I consider many of those people to be fundamentally "good" people.....but there isn't one single thing about the Lutheran faith that has anything to do with homosexuality, one way or the other. Nothing.
Dude, I have read Luther's small catechism, studied and contrasted Lutheranism with other Protestants and all other religions....It's NOT in there man. NO WHERE.
Now, YOUR particular congregation may have that slant to it, and that is completely their choice, but it's not a part of the Lutheran faith...or most main-stream non-evangelical protestant faiths (e.g. Methodist, Episcopal, Presbyterian).
I was actually proud when I heard the ELCA was going to do that....even though I wasn't raised in an ELCA congregation...just by loose relationship.....doesn't really matter too much to me though, I'm not a Lutheran anymore.
It's been a good 8 years since i went to a Lutheran school (1-8) so i won't act like I know the ins and outs of these things. And it seems your have looked at this issue more thoroughly than I have. I guess its all in YOUR(not you, Pete, specific) personal beliefs, not necessarily your church. I like to think of the church as the company you keep, which most reflects your views. Are there things about LCMS i think are wrong and should be changed?? Hell yes. It was a big issue in our church about using individual cups,not one cup for communion. I mean come on, what the frack is the big deal about that? It's still the same Blood. Our society has just changed faster than the church.
I know SOMEWHERE in the Bible they address homosexuality, which is treated as a sin. But it is no different than any other sin a Pastor could commit, I realize this. It's just the, for the lack of a better word, fact of it that they allow them to lead others to God's word. Like i said earlier, it's a personal issue, even a congregational issue like you said. I just don't think the ELCA should decide on such a big issue, for everyone.
(this is hard for me to type out clearly, would rather talk about it. sorry if none of that makes sense)
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i want to punch jesus in the cvnt
ruined my friend's life
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i want to punch jesus in the cvnt
ruined my friend's life
Hate to disagree, but it takes someone of weak mind, and character, to allow anything to ruin their life. Especially a belief in anything wholly ensconced in faith and love. fwiw.
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he seems like a slave to his faith. and lol @ faith and love.
thought this was an interesting thread i read earlier today:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/137/religion-god-theology/how-why-i-became-atheist-tldr-447763/
also lol @ jesus. ever since i said mean things about him on gpc and ksufans, i've ran like god in online poker (PUN INTENDED?!?!?!). <3 buddha, the god who's down with gambling, sex, etc...and a happier society
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he seems like a slave to his faith. and lol @ faith and love.
thought this was an interesting thread i read earlier today:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/137/religion-god-theology/how-why-i-became-atheist-tldr-447763/
also lol @ jesus. ever since i said mean things about him on gpc and ksufans, i've ran like god in online poker (PUN INTENDED?!?!?!). <3 buddha, the god who's down with gambling, sex, etc...and a happier society
Sounds like you sold your soul. I expect a report when mephistopholes comes to take his due.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mmskXXetcg
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leave the religious people alone. i think it's more than "belief" for them, but also community and sh*t.
also, atheists act like dicks.
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ok, ok. idea is ridiculous tho, no?
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i mean, unless they get in your face. then you can tee off.
like those dudes that hand out bibles on campus. i usually spit/bump into them.
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well. little over a year ago i was supposed to be playing golf w/ friend turned jesus freak. favor on my part. 4th hole, after lots of awkwardness, he completely busts out the bible, quotes, has a notecard prepared to draw me some faggotass diagram. and he tried putting the full court press on me. obv every response was "can't prove that", some bullsh*t about him believing really hard, etc. was one of my best friends, now his life is completely controlled.
jesus...sure u died for our sins or some sh*t. hopefully your sacrifice comes in the form of anal rape you faggot f*ck cvnt.
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well. little over a year ago i was supposed to be playing golf w/ friend turned jesus freak. favor on my part. 4th hole, after lots of awkwardness, he completely busts out the bible, quotes, has a notecard prepared to draw me some faggotass diagram. and he tried putting the full court press on me. obv every response was "can't prove that", some bullsh*t about him believing really hard, etc. was one of my best friends, now his life is completely controlled.
jesus...sure u died for our sins or some sh*t. hopefully your sacrifice comes in the form of anal rape you faggot f*ck cvnt.
did you beat him? i have zero respect for golf, there is no competitiveness.
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well. little over a year ago i was supposed to be playing golf w/ friend turned jesus freak. favor on my part. 4th hole, after lots of awkwardness, he completely busts out the bible, quotes, has a notecard prepared to draw me some faggotass diagram. and he tried putting the full court press on me. obv every response was "can't prove that", some bullsh*t about him believing really hard, etc. was one of my best friends, now his life is completely controlled.
jesus...sure u died for our sins or some sh*t. hopefully your sacrifice comes in the form of anal rape you faggot f*ck cvnt.
did you beat him? i have zero respect for golf, there is no competitiveness.
crushed his soul...yea golf is kind of lame, too friendly even head-to-head
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well. little over a year ago i was supposed to be playing golf w/ friend turned jesus freak. favor on my part. 4th hole, after lots of awkwardness, he completely busts out the bible, quotes, has a notecard prepared to draw me some faggotass diagram. and he tried putting the full court press on me. obv every response was "can't prove that", some bullsh*t about him believing really hard, etc. was one of my best friends, now his life is completely controlled.
jesus...sure u died for our sins or some sh*t. hopefully your sacrifice comes in the form of anal rape you faggot f*ck cvnt.
:rolleyes: Your trying to hard.
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well. little over a year ago i was supposed to be playing golf w/ friend turned jesus freak. favor on my part. 4th hole, after lots of awkwardness, he completely busts out the bible, quotes, has a notecard prepared to draw me some faggotass diagram. and he tried putting the full court press on me. obv every response was "can't prove that", some bullsh*t about him believing really hard, etc. was one of my best friends, now his life is completely controlled.
jesus...sure u died for our sins or some sh*t. hopefully your sacrifice comes in the form of anal rape you faggot f*ck cvnt.
:rolleyes: Your trying to hard.
gfy
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ok, ok. idea is ridiculous tho, no?
When some God Delusion thumping atheist is trying to evangelize me I always look them up and down and say:
"You know I am genetically superior to you, so if you convince me to be an atheist I am going to have to kill you and rape your wife/girlfriend to produce more little genetically superior little mes to advance the species."
They usually stop, so maybe you should try that.
Oh wait, you were talking about theists weren't you? Yeah, we have some annoying ones too I guess. Sorry about those dudes. :blindfold:
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i mean, unless they get in your face. then you can tee off.
like those dudes that hand out bibles on campus. i usually spit/bump into them.
No you don't, real life dude.
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When stunner gets to the Pearly Gates, Ol' Pete is going to tell him to have a seat, as it's going to be a while.
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i hope i get reincarnated into something cool, like a bird.
what are you gonna be? probably an earthworm you non-believer :lol:
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well. little over a year ago i was supposed to be playing golf w/ friend turned jesus freak. favor on my part. 4th hole, after lots of awkwardness, he completely busts out the bible, quotes, has a notecard prepared to draw me some faggotass diagram. and he tried putting the full court press on me. obv every response was "can't prove that", some bullsh*t about him believing really hard, etc. was one of my best friends, now his life is completely controlled.
jesus...sure u died for our sins or some sh*t. hopefully your sacrifice comes in the form of anal rape you faggot f*ck cvnt.
:rolleyes: Your trying to hard.
gfy
Nice, and I probably would if I could.
i hope i get reincarnated into something cool, like a bird.
what are you gonna be? probably an earthworm you non-believer :lol:
God and Jesus are hard to believe in but reincarnation isn't?
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leave the religious people alone. i think it's more than "belief" for them, but also community and sh*t.
also, atheists act like dicks.
Regardless of what religion the person believes in, anyone who tells someone what they believe and live their life by is wrong are dicks. There are just as many Christians who pick on atheists and tell them that they will burn for eternity when they die as there are atheists telling said Christians that they believe in no more than a fairy tale.
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i dont quite believe...
both are kind of hard to fathom, no?
again...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mmskXXetcg
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i dont quite believe...
both are kind of hard to fathom, no?
again...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mmskXXetcg
:dunno:
Well, Stunner, I guess the question you should ask yourself, is this: Would you rather be wrong and die a peaceful death, slipping into the black void and never knowing anything else, or would you rather die, and have to say, "Oh crap, I didn't mean it, really!"? Sometimes you need to hedge your bets.
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well if u want to look at it through gambling, better to buy bits and pieces of everything.
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i dont quite believe...
both are kind of hard to fathom, no?
again...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mmskXXetcg
:dunno:
Well, Stunner, I guess the question you should ask yourself, is this: Would you rather be wrong and die a peaceful death, slipping into the black void and never knowing anything else, or would you rather die, and have to say, "Oh crap, I didn't mean it, really!"? Sometimes you need to hedge your bets.
The reason this doesn't work on most atheists is that religion is so ridiculous to us, that it isn't a gamble, it's a lie. It is straight up fiction created by human beings thousands of years ago and I put no more stock in it than fairy tales, and I don't look at fairy tales as something that "might be real, what then?". I know that if I go into the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "bloody mary" three times that nothing will happen, in fact I bravely "risked" it and I was fine, nothing happened. I understand that Christians are concerned about people who don't share their belief because they believe that person will go to hell, and just want to "save" them, but that mentality is so frustratingly belittling to an atheist that it's hard to not act like a jackass in response.
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i dont quite believe...
both are kind of hard to fathom, no?
again...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mmskXXetcg
:dunno:
Well, Stunner, I guess the question you should ask yourself, is this: Would you rather be wrong and die a peaceful death, slipping into the black void and never knowing anything else, or would you rather die, and have to say, "Oh crap, I didn't mean it, really!"? Sometimes you need to hedge your bets.
I'm pretty sure there's a special spot in hell for dirty small-town cops.
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well if u want to look at it through gambling, better to buy bits and pieces of everything.
So you go to the racetrack and place bets on all the horses??
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I like these threads
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i should say the ones u believe have positive expectation. ducy?
perry - huge qft. didn't really care until i was faced w/ their sh*t.
also they are mean :curse:
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i dont quite believe...
both are kind of hard to fathom, no?
again...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mmskXXetcg
:dunno:
Well, Stunner, I guess the question you should ask yourself, is this: Would you rather be wrong and die a peaceful death, slipping into the black void and never knowing anything else, or would you rather die, and have to say, "Oh crap, I didn't mean it, really!"? Sometimes you need to hedge your bets.
I'm pretty sure there's a special spot in hell for dirty small-town cops.
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ok, ok. idea is ridiculous tho, no?
When some God Delusion thumping atheist is trying to evangelize me I always look them up and down and say:
"You know I am genetically superior to you, so if you convince me to be an atheist I am going to have to kill you and rape your wife/girlfriend to produce more little genetically superior little mes to advance the species."
They usually stop, so maybe you should try that.
Oh wait, you were talking about theists weren't you? Yeah, we have some annoying ones too I guess. Sorry about those dudes. :blindfold:
Atheism has nothing necessarily to do with Anarchy. Just like morality has nothing necessarily to do with religion.
I'm not an atheist, but I'll speak for the atheist's when I say that I am pretty sure they are against killing others and raping their spouses. Rule of Law and civil order are principles valued by almost all cultures. Your post is really spooky. Do they teach you that kind of stuff at your "church?"
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ok, ok. idea is ridiculous tho, no?
When some God Delusion thumping atheist is trying to evangelize me I always look them up and down and say:
"You know I am genetically superior to you, so if you convince me to be an atheist I am going to have to kill you and rape your wife/girlfriend to produce more little genetically superior little mes to advance the species."
They usually stop, so maybe you should try that.
Oh wait, you were talking about theists weren't you? Yeah, we have some annoying ones too I guess. Sorry about those dudes. :blindfold:
Atheism has nothing necessarily to do with Anarchy. Just like morality has nothing necessarily to do with religion.
I'm not an atheist, but I'll speak for the atheist's when I say that I am pretty sure they are against killing others and raping their spouses. Rule of Law and civil order are principles valued by almost all cultures. Your post is really spooky. Do they teach you that kind of stuff at your "church?"
Then why did our country's founders rely on "Natural Law"?
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ok, ok. idea is ridiculous tho, no?
When some God Delusion thumping atheist is trying to evangelize me I always look them up and down and say:
"You know I am genetically superior to you, so if you convince me to be an atheist I am going to have to kill you and rape your wife/girlfriend to produce more little genetically superior little mes to advance the species."
They usually stop, so maybe you should try that.
Oh wait, you were talking about theists weren't you? Yeah, we have some annoying ones too I guess. Sorry about those dudes. :blindfold:
Atheism has nothing necessarily to do with Anarchy. Just like morality has nothing necessarily to do with religion.
I'm not an atheist, but I'll speak for the atheist's when I say that I am pretty sure they are against killing others and raping their spouses. Rule of Law and civil order are principles valued by almost all cultures. Your post is really spooky. Do they teach you that kind of stuff at your "church?"
Then why did our country's founders rely on "Natural Law"?
I don't really follow what you mean. Although, just to clarify, we are talking about men who lived in a time when things like vaccines, micro chips, space travel, etc would have seemed imaginary and far-fetched, correct?
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thomas paine was an atheist. and there were lots of Unitarian (non Christian) founding fathers.
Ayn Rand, now she hated religion.
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more fuel to the fire..."New school atheists"
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113889251
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more fuel to the fire..."New school atheists"
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113889251
I think more and more people in my generation will be passive atheists:
"American nones are kind of agnostic and deistic, so it's a very American kind of skepticism," says Barry Kosmin, director of Trinity's Institute for the Study of Secularism in Society and Culture. "It's a kind of religious indifference that's not hostile to religion the way they are in France. Franklin and Jefferson would have recognized these people."
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and-country/2009/09/22/survey-one-quarter-of-americans-could-claim-no-religion-in-20-years.html
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thomas paine was an atheist. and there were lots of Unitarian (non Christian) founding fathers.
Ayn Rand, now she hated religion.
http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5243
Certainly there were godless men among the early leadership of our nation, though some of those cited as examples of Founding Fathers turn out to be insignificant players. For example, Thomas Paine and Ethan Allen may have been hostile to evangelical Christianity, but they were firebrands of the Revolution, not intellectual architects of the Constitution.
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The phrase "Founding Fathers" is a proper noun. It refers to a specific group of men, the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention. There were other important players not in attendance, like Jefferson, whose thinking deeply influenced the shaping of our nation. These 55 Founding Fathers, though, made up the core.
The denominational affiliations of these men were a matter of public record. Among the delegates were 28 Episcopalians, 8 Presbyterians, 7 Congregationalists, 2 Lutherans, 2 Dutch Reformed, 2 Methodists, 2 Roman Catholics, 1 unknown, and only 3 deists--Williamson, Wilson, and Franklin--this at a time when church membership entailed a sworn public confession of biblical faith.[1]
This is a revealing tally. It shows that the members of the Constitutional Convention, the most influential group of men shaping the political foundations of our nation, were almost all Christians, 51 of 55--a full 93%. Indeed, 70% were Calvinists (the Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and the Dutch Reformed), considered by some to be the most extreme and dogmatic form of Christianity.
LOTS of Unitarians huh....and Athiests too.... Consider yourself Pwnd
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thomas paine was an atheist. and there were lots of Unitarian (non Christian) founding fathers.
Ayn Rand, now she hated religion.
http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5243
Certainly there were godless men among the early leadership of our nation, though some of those cited as examples of Founding Fathers turn out to be insignificant players. For example, Thomas Paine and Ethan Allen may have been hostile to evangelical Christianity, but they were firebrands of the Revolution, not intellectual architects of the Constitution.
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The phrase "Founding Fathers" is a proper noun. It refers to a specific group of men, the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention. There were other important players not in attendance, like Jefferson, whose thinking deeply influenced the shaping of our nation. These 55 Founding Fathers, though, made up the core.
The denominational affiliations of these men were a matter of public record. Among the delegates were 28 Episcopalians, 8 Presbyterians, 7 Congregationalists, 2 Lutherans, 2 Dutch Reformed, 2 Methodists, 2 Roman Catholics, 1 unknown, and only 3 deists--Williamson, Wilson, and Franklin--this at a time when church membership entailed a sworn public confession of biblical faith.[1]
This is a revealing tally. It shows that the members of the Constitutional Convention, the most influential group of men shaping the political foundations of our nation, were almost all Christians, 51 of 55--a full 93%. Indeed, 70% were Calvinists (the Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and the Dutch Reformed), considered by some to be the most extreme and dogmatic form of Christianity.
LOTS of Unitarians huh....and Athiests too.... Consider yourself Pwnd
so jefferson wasn't a "Founding Father." OK. :jerkoff:
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thomas paine was an atheist. and there were lots of Unitarian (non Christian) founding fathers.
Ayn Rand, now she hated religion.
http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5243
Certainly there were godless men among the early leadership of our nation, though some of those cited as examples of Founding Fathers turn out to be insignificant players. For example, Thomas Paine and Ethan Allen may have been hostile to evangelical Christianity, but they were firebrands of the Revolution, not intellectual architects of the Constitution.
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The phrase "Founding Fathers" is a proper noun. It refers to a specific group of men, the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention. There were other important players not in attendance, like Jefferson, whose thinking deeply influenced the shaping of our nation. These 55 Founding Fathers, though, made up the core.
The denominational affiliations of these men were a matter of public record. Among the delegates were 28 Episcopalians, 8 Presbyterians, 7 Congregationalists, 2 Lutherans, 2 Dutch Reformed, 2 Methodists, 2 Roman Catholics, 1 unknown, and only 3 deists--Williamson, Wilson, and Franklin--this at a time when church membership entailed a sworn public confession of biblical faith.[1]
This is a revealing tally. It shows that the members of the Constitutional Convention, the most influential group of men shaping the political foundations of our nation, were almost all Christians, 51 of 55--a full 93%. Indeed, 70% were Calvinists (the Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and the Dutch Reformed), considered by some to be the most extreme and dogmatic form of Christianity.
LOTS of Unitarians huh....and Athiests too.... Consider yourself Pwnd
so jefferson wasn't a "Founding Father." OK. :jerkoff:
http://www.monticello.org/reports/interests/religion.html (http://www.monticello.org/reports/interests/religion.html)
Jefferson's Religious Beliefs
Jefferson was always reluctant to reveal his religious beliefs to the public, but at times he would speak to and reflect upon the public dimension of religion. He was raised as an Anglican, but was influenced by English deists such as Bolingbroke and Shaftesbury. Thus in the spirit of the Descent from the Cross by Frans Floris; photographed by Edward Owen.Enlightenment, he made the following recommendation to his nephew Peter Carr in 1787: "Question with boldness even the existence of God; because if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." In Query XVII of Notes on the State of Virginia, he clearly outlines the views which led him to play a leading role in the campaign to separate church and state and which culminated in the Statute of Virginia for Religious Freedom: "The rights of conscience we never submitted, we could not submit. We are answerable for them to our God. The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg . . . . Reason and free inquiry are the only effectual agents against error." Jefferson's religious views became a major public issue during the bitter party conflict between Federalists and Republicans in the late 1790s when Jefferson was often accused of being an atheist.
With the help of Richard Price, a Unitarian minister in London, and Joseph Priestly, an English scientist-clergyman who emigrated to America in 1794, Jefferson eventually arrived at some positive assertions of his private religion. His ideas are nowhere better expressed than in his compilations of extracts from the New Testament "The Philosophy of Jesus" (1804) and "The Life and Morals of Jesus" (1819-20?). The former stems from his concern with the problem of maintaining Herodias Bearing the Head of Saint John, copy after c. 1631 original by Guido Reni; photographed by Edward Owensocial harmony in a republican nation. The latter is a multilingual collection of verses that was a product of his private search for religious truth. Jefferson believed in the existence of a Supreme Being who was the creator and sustainer of the universe and the ultimate ground of being, but this was not the triune deity of orthodox Christianity. He also rejected the idea of the divinity of Christ, but as he writes to William Short on October 31, 1819, he was convinced that the fragmentary teachings of Jesus constituted the "outlines of a system of the most sublime morality which has ever fallen from the lips of man." In correspondence, he sometimes expressed confidence that the whole country would be Unitarian, but he recognized the novelty of his own religious beliefs. On June 25, 1819, he wrote to Ezra Stiles, "I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know."
--Rebecca Bowman, Monticello Research Department, August 1997
Still, U R pwned.