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Didn’t know if this had already been posted…
JUCO receiver Kenny Davis to continue career at Kansas State
Pierce College prospect Kenny Davis, originally from Birmingham (Pacoima, Calif.), has committed to sign with the Big 12 Wildcats, ESPN affiliate Web site KSUFans.com reports.
Davis also received offers from Tennessee, Arizona, Arizona State, New Mexico State and San Diego State, among others.
The 6-foot-3, 190-pound wideout is sitting out the 2009 season while rehabbing a shoulder injury. During his freshman season, Davis played in six games and caught 24 passes for 469 yards and five touchdowns.
Kansas State now has 10 pledges for the Class of 2010.
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Didn’t know if this had already been posted…
JUCO receiver Kenny Davis to continue career at Kansas State
Pierce College prospect Kenny Davis, originally from Birmingham (Pacoima, Calif.), has committed to sign with the Big 12 Wildcats, ESPN affiliate Web site KSUFans.com reports.
Davis also received offers from Tennessee, Arizona, Arizona State, New Mexico State and San Diego State, among others.
The 6-foot-3, 190-pound wideout is sitting out the 2009 season while rehabbing a shoulder injury. During his freshman season, Davis played in six games and caught 24 passes for 469 yards and five touchdowns.
Kansas State now has 10 pledges for the Class of 2010.
Global domination....one step closer
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we have the market cornered on juco players who haven't played in the year of their commitment.
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Looks like a pretty legit commitment, and we did need a JUCO WR. He got hurt before his team's season started so he's redshirting this year and will have 3x3 in MHK. :thumbsup:
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Will cosh be our only QB in this class?
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sweet. another crappy california juco player. :flush:
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Will cosh be our only QB in this class?
We're looking @ Blackman & Newton from JUCO. And we might take another HS QB in this class. It just all depends...
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Let me get this straight. 6-3, 190 WR. Solid FR season. Injury causes him to RS this season (which gives him 3 with K-State). Dec grad, he'll be here for the spring. Offers from UT, Ariz, ASU.
And he's another crappy recruit?
Unconventional? Yeah, but this seems like a good addition to me.
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Let me get this straight. 6-3, 190 WR. Solid FR season. Injury causes him to RS this season (which gives him 3 with K-State). Dec grad, he'll be here for the spring. Offers from UT, Ariz, ASU.
And he's another crappy recruit?
Unconventional? Yeah, but this seems like a good addition to me.
No board is realistic anymore, man. Between the sunshine pumper tards on the other two boards and this one being the pure pessimism board, not much middle ground.
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Let me get this straight. 6-3, 190 WR. Solid FR season. Injury causes him to RS this season (which gives him 3 with K-State). Dec grad, he'll be here for the spring. Offers from UT, Ariz, ASU.
And he's another crappy recruit?
Unconventional? Yeah, but this seems like a good addition to me.
Judging by the offers, pretty good pickup. Unfortunately with JUCO guys, they can either overhyped, or be special. You just can't tell till they hit the field.
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Let me get this straight. 6-3, 190 WR. Solid FR season. Injury causes him to RS this season (which gives him 3 with K-State). Dec grad, he'll be here for the spring. Offers from UT, Ariz, ASU.
And he's another crappy recruit?
Unconventional? Yeah, but this seems like a good addition to me.
No board is realistic anymore, man. Between the sunshine pumper tards on the other two boards and this one being the pure pessimism board, not much middle ground.
This ^^^ too bad, you guys could have a good site here but for the constant slant in all the posts. Plenty of opportunity wasted given the comp. :users: Overcompensation from fear of KITN (the best reason I can possibly give you guys) is really coming across as a bunch of big, loose vags. :thumbsup:
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Judging by the offers, pretty good pickup. Unfortunately with JUCO guys, they can either overhyped, or be special. You just can't tell till they hit the field.
No doubt about that. I think that's part of the reason its good he's got 3 years left.
I would be interested to know what he did between HS (05 grad) and getting into JUCO last year. He was listed as 6-3, 165 coming out of HS, 2 star, with interest from Oreg State, Wash State, and San Diego State, FWIW.
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you guys......you
Who exactly are you refering to here?
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you guys......you
Who exactly are you refering to here?
Everyone but you and Daris, hth. :ohno:
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Let me get this straight. 6-3, 190 WR. Solid FR season. Injury causes him to RS this season (which gives him 3 with K-State). Dec grad, he'll be here for the spring. Offers from UT, Ariz, ASU.
And he's another crappy recruit?
Unconventional? Yeah, but this seems like a good addition to me.
No board is realistic anymore, man. Between the sunshine pumper tards on the other two boards and this one being the pure pessimism board, not much middle ground.
This ^^^ too bad, you guys could have a good site here but for the constant slant in all the posts. Plenty of opportunity wasted given the comp. :users: Overcompensation from fear of KITN (the best reason I can possibly give you guys) is really coming across as a bunch of big, loose vags. :thumbsup:
we've had about thirty california juco recruits in the last six years and about two of them ended up doing anything worth while. excuse me for not jumping up and down for the opportunity to host another one of these parasites for the next three years. you guys seem to think he's the cats meow. good. guess we'll see. sorry to have an opposing view point.
hopefully things pan out and he can be the next aubrey quarles. maybe we get real lucky and he's the next attrail snipes.
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Let me get this straight. 6-3, 190 WR. Solid FR season. Injury causes him to RS this season (which gives him 3 with K-State). Dec grad, he'll be here for the spring. Offers from UT, Ariz, ASU.
And he's another crappy recruit?
Unconventional? Yeah, but this seems like a good addition to me.
daris was just being daris. This guy is the very definition of a meh recruit. Sure the offers are there, but even Prince beat out other decent schools for juco's. I mean, other than a third year, what separates him from Aubrey Quarles? Still, he could be pretty decent. There's just no way to tell w/ cali jucos especially.
wow, didn't realize daris respnoded.
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Let me get this straight. 6-3, 190 WR. Solid FR season. Injury causes him to RS this season (which gives him 3 with K-State). Dec grad, he'll be here for the spring. Offers from UT, Ariz, ASU.
And he's another crappy recruit?
Unconventional? Yeah, but this seems like a good addition to me.
daris was just being daris. This guy is the very definition of a meh recruit. Sure the offers are there, but even Prince beat out other decent schools for juco's. I mean, other than a third year, what separates him from Aubrey Quarles? Still, he could be pretty decent. There's just no way to tell w/ cali jucos especially.
I'll take into account the coaching he'll be getting over what we've had before putting a meh tag on any of these guys.
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daris was just being daris. This guy is the very definition of a meh recruit. Sure the offers are there, but even Prince beat out other decent schools for juco's. I mean, other than a third year, what separates him from Aubrey Quarles? Still, he could be pretty decent. There's just no way to tell w/ cali jucos especially.
wow, didn't realize daris respnoded.
True with Cali JUCOs. Hopefully he can surpass the Snipes/Hilburn/Quarles Cali JUCO WR class, all pretty similar players with similar recruiting attention.
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I would be interested to know what he did between HS (05 grad) and getting into JUCO last year. He was listed as 6-3, 165 coming out of HS, 2 star, with interest from Oreg State, Wash State, and San Diego State, FWIW.
are you sure this is who it is? I was thinking it might be the quarterback Ron was recruiting out of Oklahoma in 08.
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I would be interested to know what he did between HS (05 grad) and getting into JUCO last year. He was listed as 6-3, 165 coming out of HS, 2 star, with interest from Oreg State, Wash State, and San Diego State, FWIW.
remember the glory KSukTATS got when Clyde Johnson played for us? great media we get from guys like this. unless he's been in prison, ibiza, etc.
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I would be interested to know what he did between HS (05 grad) and getting into JUCO last year. He was listed as 6-3, 165 coming out of HS, 2 star, with interest from Oreg State, Wash State, and San Diego State, FWIW.
are you sure this is who it is? I was thinking it might be the quarterback Ron was recruiting out of Oklahoma in 08.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/football/recruiting/player-Kenny-Davis-27882 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/football/recruiting/player-Kenny-Davis-27882)
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Let me get this straight. 6-3, 190 WR. Solid FR season. Injury causes him to RS this season (which gives him 3 with K-State). Dec grad, he'll be here for the spring. Offers from UT, Ariz, ASU.
And he's another crappy recruit?
Unconventional? Yeah, but this seems like a good addition to me.
No board is realistic anymore, man. Between the sunshine pumper tards on the other two boards and this one being the pure pessimism board, not much middle ground.
:rofl: :nahnah:
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Good news! Recruiting lots of JUCO players every year is our best strategy for being at least somewhat competitive.
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Let me get this straight. 6-3, 190 WR. Solid FR season. Injury causes him to RS this season (which gives him 3 with K-State). Dec grad, he'll be here for the spring. Offers from UT, Ariz, ASU.
And he's another crappy recruit?
Unconventional? Yeah, but this seems like a good addition to me.
daris was just being daris. This guy is the very definition of a meh recruit. Sure the offers are there, but even Prince beat out other decent schools for juco's. I mean, other than a third year, what separates him from Aubrey Quarles? Still, he could be pretty decent. There's just no way to tell w/ cali jucos especially.
I'll take into account the coaching he'll be getting over what we've had before putting a meh tag on any of these guys.
Oh, GMAFB. This season should show you that coaching doesn't mean a thing. We have sh*t players and therefore we have a sh*t team.
daris was just being daris. This guy is the very definition of a meh recruit. Sure the offers are there, but even Prince beat out other decent schools for juco's. I mean, other than a third year, what separates him from Aubrey Quarles? Still, he could be pretty decent. There's just no way to tell w/ cali jucos especially.
wow, didn't realize daris respnoded.
True with Cali JUCOs. Hopefully he can surpass the Snipes/Hilburn/Quarles Cali JUCO WR class, all pretty similar players with similar recruiting attention.
And I think the biggest disappointment is that Snyder is doing virtually nothing to differentiate himself from Prince on the recruiting trail.
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Absense from football explained. (http://www.therounduponline.net/2.10608/up-close-and-personal-1.1409949)
Overcoming obstacles is the real-life game that key football players Kenny Davis and Craig Alexander play every day.
They want people to know that they are more than jerseys and helmets. They too are students using their schooling as stepping stones toward their future.
Standing at 6 feet 3 inches, wide receiver Kenny Davis entered the Country Cafe for a chilly, early-morning interview Oct. 13. Dressed in a red beanie, plaid jacket, hooded sweatshirt and sweat pants, he sat down with a smile.
Davis, a 21-year-old sports-medicine major from Pacoima and former Birmingham High School student, has kept football the core of his focus while fighting challenges.
In a matter of two years, Davis' uncle, a mentor to him, died. His mother was in the hospital for two weeks due to low potassium and threat of a heart attack after fainting in Davis' arms. He also tore both hamstrings, and a drunk driver hit his car when he was coming home from a party at 2:30 a.m.
His injuries from the accident included back pains, hurt ribs and swelling in the right side of his head and right kneecap.
"The doctors told me that I would never play again because if I get hit (while playing football) the wrong way I could be paralyzed," Davis said.
After six to seven months of rehabilitation, the doctors gave him the green light to play again.
"He is very determined. As long as he keeps up the momentum he has, he can achieve his goals himself," said peer-mentor Janet Duenas.
"I want to get my family into a better place. We are OK now, but I want my parents to not have to work anymore," Davis said.
He is part of a skate team called the "Certified Rollers."
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He is part of a skate team called the "Certified Rollers."
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Oh, GMAFB. This season should show you that coaching doesn't mean a thing. We have sh*t players and therefore we have a sh*t team.
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So the lack of production from Quarles and Snipes can be laid at this staff's feet? As well as every Juco non-provider we've had since, what, '04, is not a reflection RP and staff much more than any other reason? You are suggesting that coaching has no influence on juco recruit production?
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obvious comparo should be to this guy. i'll take the under. especially in the looks dept.
"The No. 80 junior college player in the nation by Rivals."
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1243519
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does he have any bionic parts? if so he should look into going pro in roller derby (http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/sports/rollerskater.gif)
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So the lack of production from Quarles and Snipes can be laid at this staff's feet? As well as every Juco non-provider we've had since, what, '04, is not a reflection RP and staff much more than any other reason? You are suggesting that coaching has no influence on juco recruit production?
We are getting nothing out of Quarles and Snipes now. Assuming this guy is similarly ranked, why should we expect Snyder to get anything out of him next year?
How long should it take for bill to wave his fU*king magic wand and turn these jucos into productive football players?
And if he can't turn Quarles and Snipes into productive football players in spring practice and fall camp, why the f*ck is he signing jucos?
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obvious comparo should be to this guy. i'll take the under.
"The No. 80 junior college player in the nation by Rivals."
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1243519
Besides them being similar size, what are you basing this comparison on? Have you seen film of Davis? Or is this just another example of what a giant pussy you are? Is there a particular reason you feel the need to bitch about everything? Maybe you should move to Michigan so that you and Rusty can keep a constant suicide watch on each other? I think an obvious comparo to you would be a sweaty fat girl's vagina.
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does he have any bionic parts? if so he should look into going pro in roller derby (http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/sports/rollerskater.gif)
I'm hoping it's a skateboarding team and not a roller skating team. Actually, I'm happy with either now that I think about it.
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So the lack of production from Quarles and Snipes can be laid at this staff's feet? As well as every Juco non-provider we've had since, what, '04, is not a reflection RP and staff much more than any other reason? You are suggesting that coaching has no influence on juco recruit production?
We are getting nothing out of Quarles and Snipes now. Assuming this guy is similarly ranked, why should we expect Snyder to get anything out of him next year?
How long should it take for bill to wave his fU*king magic wand and turn these jucos into productive football players?
And if he can't turn Quarles and Snipes into productive football players in spring practice and fall camp, why the f*ck is he signing jucos?
History of signing them and then seeing great results? Our offensive line is struggling, any reason to not fire the OL coach today since he has done nothing to improve them, and he has some 4 year guys he's working with?
Or maybe we should stop recruiting 4 year guys to go with no jucos. Obviously these guys are wasting their time with coaching, why the frack not recruit and sign only top 100 FFS.
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History of signing them and then seeing great results?
What WR has snyder signed from a cali juco that has done better than Quarles?
Our offensive line is struggling, any reason to not fire the OL coach today since he has done nothing to improve them, and he has some 4 year guys he's working with?
I would have no problem w/ this (as long as Snyder is gone, too). But it's a poor analogy when discussing juco wide receivers.
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obvious comparo should be to this guy. i'll take the under.
"The No. 80 junior college player in the nation by Rivals."
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1243519
Besides them being similar size, what are you basing this comparison on? Have you seen film of Davis? Or is this just another example of what a giant pussy you are? Is there a particular reason you feel the need to bitch about everything? Maybe you should move to Michigan so that you and Rusty can keep a constant suicide watch on each other? I think an obvious comparo to you would be a sweaty fat girl's vagina.
there goes jtksu with his complaining again. jtksu should go on suicide watch maybe, no?
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History of signing them and then seeing great results?
What WR has snyder signed from a cali juco that has done better than Quarles?
Our offensive line is struggling, any reason to not fire the OL coach today since he has done nothing to improve them, and he has some 4 year guys he's working with?
I would have no problem w/ this (as long as Snyder is gone, too). But it's a poor analogy when discussing juco wide receivers.
What wide receiver has Snyder signed from a Cali juco? Has he ever? Just sayin, you are taking one guy's results after a few weeks of coaching under Snyder, in a new system, and expounding that into quite a concept of failure for all future similar position players. Not sure you are objectively evaluating this one.
So it basically comes back to you don't have Patterson still?
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How many stud receivers do when need when you know the old man is going to run the ball every chance he gets? Besides, it's not like everyone can put up godlike numbers like Lamark can.
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So the lack of production from Quarles and Snipes can be laid at this staff's feet? As well as every Juco non-provider we've had since, what, '04, is not a reflection RP and staff much more than any other reason? You are suggesting that coaching has no influence on juco recruit production?
We are getting nothing out of Quarles and Snipes now. Assuming this guy is similarly ranked, why should we expect Snyder to get anything out of him next year?
How long should it take for bill to wave his fU*king magic wand and turn these jucos into productive football players?
And if he can't turn Quarles and Snipes into productive football players in spring practice and fall camp, why the f*ck is he signing jucos?
:notworthy:
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So the lack of production from Quarles and Snipes can be laid at this staff's feet? As well as every Juco non-provider we've had since, what, '04, is not a reflection RP and staff much more than any other reason? You are suggesting that coaching has no influence on juco recruit production?
We are getting nothing out of Quarles and Snipes now. Assuming this guy is similarly ranked, why should we expect Snyder to get anything out of him next year?
How long should it take for bill to wave his fU*king magic wand and turn these jucos into productive football players?
And if he can't turn Quarles and Snipes into productive football players in spring practice and fall camp, why the f*ck is he signing jucos?
Quarles is hurt and Snipes actually leads the team in yards and TD's. Of course his stats are pretty terrible but he has Coffman throwing to him for chrissakes. Which Juco players are you remembering that instantly tore it up? Bishop (arguably the best juco we have ever had) pretty much stunk for his first year.
Your quest to be constantly bitchy tends to lead you into making stupid statements and taking rather indefensible stands.
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So the lack of production from Quarles and Snipes can be laid at this staff's feet? As well as every Juco non-provider we've had since, what, '04, is not a reflection RP and staff much more than any other reason? You are suggesting that coaching has no influence on juco recruit production?
We are getting nothing out of Quarles and Snipes now. Assuming this guy is similarly ranked, why should we expect Snyder to get anything out of him next year?
How long should it take for bill to wave his fU*king magic wand and turn these jucos into productive football players?
And if he can't turn Quarles and Snipes into productive football players in spring practice and fall camp, why the f*ck is he signing jucos?
Quarles is hurt and Snipes actually leads the team in yards and TD's. Of course his stats are pretty terrible but he has Coffman throwing to him for chrissakes. Which Juco players are you remembering that instantly tore it up? Bishop (arguably the best juco we have ever had) pretty much stunk for his first year.
Your quest to be constantly bitchy tends to lead you into making stupid statements and taking rather indefensible stands.
Dude, you lost all credibility by making that statement.
1997 (junior): Second-team All-Big 12 pick by league coaches... Big 12 Newcomer of the Year by the Associated Press... Big 12 Offensive Newcomer of the Year by the Big 12 coaches, Kansas City Star , Waco Tribune and Ft. Worth Star-Telegram ... FX-TV K-State Player of the Game against Nebraska ... Big 12 TV Player of the Game against Missouri ... ABC Chevrolet Player of the Game against Texas A&M... ABC Chevrolet Player of the Game against Colorado ... Named Tostitos Fiesta Bowl Offensive MVP... College Sports News National Newcomer-of-the-Year ... K-State Offensive Most Valuable Player... Compiled a 35-1 as a starting collegiate quarterback (24-0 at Blinn CC and 11-1 at K-State) after guiding the Wildcats to a 11-1 record in 1997 (only loss coming to Nebraska)... Best performance of his career came in 35-18 win over Syracuse in Tostitos Fiesta Bowl when he completed 14-of-23 passes for career-high 317 yards and four touchdowns, while rushing for 73 yards and another touchdown, to earn Offensive Player of the Game honors... Set the single season quarterback rushing record at K-State... Ranks No. 4 in career rushing by a quarterback as well with 556 total yards on 147 carries... Set K-State season record for quarterbacks with nine rushing touchdowns... Averaged 19.5 yards per completion... Ranks fourth in the Big 12 in passing efficiency (128.5) and No. 5 (193.0) in total offense... Set a Kansas State and Big 12 quarterback rushing record with 196 yards on 14 carries against Missouri ... Rushed for two touchdowns and threw for another in the 41-11 victory... Became only the fifth Kansas State quarterback to rush for over 100 yards in a game... Had 26 rushes for 10 or more yards while 40 of his attempts resulted in first downs... Debuted with a five-touchdown performance on the road at Northern Illinois ... Rushed for a 43-yard touchdown and threw for four more (18, 8, 37, 65) in 47-7 victory over the Huskies... His four touchdown strikes tied a K-State record for touchdown passes in a game... His single-game passing efficiency of 274.22 in that game also set a school record... Rushed for 98 yards while completing 8-of-13 passes for 172 yards with no picks... Rushed for 98 yards and two scores in win over Iowa State ... Came to K-State with a 24-0 record as the starter at Blinn ( Texas ) Junior College ... Player of the Game choice during four K-State televised games... Threw a football 93 yards during preseason workout ... K-State Offensive Player-of-the-Game as chosen by the coaches in games against Northern Illinois and Kansas .
http://www.kstatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=3069&SPID=212&DB_OEM_ID=400&ATCLID=810304
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I don't see anything wrong with K-State taking this kid. They need receivers . . . while the video wasn't the best, my first thought was James Terry.
But . . . until we find a QB who can, well, dare I say it, actually perform well in the role of a passer . . . lets just stick Fullback types out there and let them block.
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So the lack of production from Quarles and Snipes can be laid at this staff's feet? As well as every Juco non-provider we've had since, what, '04, is not a reflection RP and staff much more than any other reason? You are suggesting that coaching has no influence on juco recruit production?
We are getting nothing out of Quarles and Snipes now. Assuming this guy is similarly ranked, why should we expect Snyder to get anything out of him next year?
How long should it take for bill to wave his fU*king magic wand and turn these jucos into productive football players?
And if he can't turn Quarles and Snipes into productive football players in spring practice and fall camp, why the f*ck is he signing jucos?
I'm curious as to how many JUCO players Snyder has signed and how many of those were "productive football players with one spring practice and one fall camp?"
Any idea?
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I'll be happy if the new guy is as good as this guy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taco_Wallace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taco_Wallace)
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He is part of a skate team called the "Certified Rollers."
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I hope nobody tells him that Manhattan doesn't have a skating rink. :ohno:
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Bish completed 43% of his passes for the entire year and turned over the ball a ton the whole first half of the season. His big play ability made up for alot of the mistakes but he was not the Bishop we all remember from '98 early in his career. And yet now the standard is that juco's must instantly perform at a high standard. Why is that?
Most people who have followed the team a while will probably remember the Snyder M.O. when breaking in juco players. The depth chart at the beginning of the season was always dotted with 4A Kansas try hard type players people would say” oh noes we will suck if ____ is starting, then as the conference season approached they would be supplanted by the juco’s and away we would go for another 11 win season.
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What wide receiver has Snyder signed from a Cali juco? Has he ever? Just sayin, you are taking one guy's results after a few weeks of coaching under Snyder, in a new system, and expounding that into quite a concept of failure for all future similar position players. Not sure you are objectively evaluating this one.
When did I say this guy would be a failure? I just said he's nothing to get excited about - he's meh. I just get sick of this notion that Snyder has some sort of magic touch with recruiting or coaching or something that frankly hasn't been evident in his last 5 or so recruiting classes and last 3 seasons on the field.
Reread my post that sent you in a tizzy:
daris was just being daris. This guy is the very definition of a meh recruit. Sure the offers are there, but even Prince beat out other decent schools for juco's. I mean, other than a third year, what separates him from Aubrey Quarles? Still, he could be pretty decent. There's just no way to tell w/ cali jucos especially.
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I'd take another quarels that's healthy.
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What wide receiver has Snyder signed from a Cali juco? Has he ever? Just sayin, you are taking one guy's results after a few weeks of coaching under Snyder, in a new system, and expounding that into quite a concept of failure for all future similar position players. Not sure you are objectively evaluating this one.
When did I say this guy would be a failure? I just said he's nothing to get excited about - he's meh. I just get sick of this notion that Snyder has some sort of magic touch with recruiting or coaching or something that frankly hasn't been evident in his last 5 or so recruiting classes and last 3 seasons on the field.
Reread my post that sent you in a tizzy:
daris was just being daris. This guy is the very definition of a meh recruit. Sure the offers are there, but even Prince beat out other decent schools for juco's. I mean, other than a third year, what separates him from Aubrey Quarles? Still, he could be pretty decent. There's just no way to tell w/ cali jucos especially.
MICat's analysis on this is as middle of the road as it comes. Anyone who gets upset by it is either a powertard or super emo.
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i think it's a "meh" recruit because who gives a f about a juco wr, good or not. would dez bryant on this team make a sh*t of difference? not really. get me a qb, snyds.
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i think it's a "meh" recruit because who gives a f about a juco wr, good or not. would dez bryant on this team make a sh*t of difference? not really. get me a qb, snyds.
Agree 100%.
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This whole thread is just a bunch of people saying "duh" back and forth to each other.
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i think it's a "meh" recruit because who gives a f about a juco wr, good or not. would dez bryant on this team make a sh*t of difference? not really. get me a qb, snyds.
There is still the whole matter of needing talent at basically every position. This announcement isn't as exciting as, say, that of a Cam Newton but it's still adding talent to a largely untalented team. Even if we do bring in a top talent at QB, he's still going to need targets or we'll just be saying next year that he was unproductive because he had no one to throw to. Obviously, QB needs to be our main focus but you don't stop recruiting every other position until you sign a QB.
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There is still the whole matter of needing talent at basically every position. This announcement isn't as exciting as, say, that of a Cam Newton but it's still adding talent to a largely untalented team.
One, small, but significant correction. This recruit replaces talent more than he adds.
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i think it's a "meh" recruit because who gives a f about a juco wr, good or not. would dez bryant on this team make a sh*t of difference? not really. get me a qb, snyds.
There is still the whole matter of needing talent at basically every position. This announcement isn't as exciting as, say, that of a Cam Newton but it's still adding talent to a largely untalented team. Even if we do bring in a top talent at QB, he's still going to need targets or we'll just be saying next year that he was unproductive because he had no one to throw to. Obviously, QB needs to be our main focus but you don't stop recruiting every other position until you sign a QB.
he's a thirty year old juco wide receiver from california who was a two star out of highschool and apparently isn't smart enough to avoid automobile accidents or athletic enough to avoid injuries. he's had both hamstrings torn and now has a sprained ac joint. NEXT!
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i think it's a "meh" recruit because who gives a f about a juco wr, good or not. would dez bryant on this team make a sh*t of difference? not really. get me a qb, snyds.
There is still the whole matter of needing talent at basically every position. This announcement isn't as exciting as, say, that of a Cam Newton but it's still adding talent to a largely untalented team. Even if we do bring in a top talent at QB, he's still going to need targets or we'll just be saying next year that he was unproductive because he had no one to throw to. Obviously, QB needs to be our main focus but you don't stop recruiting every other position until you sign a QB.
he's a thirty year old juco wide receiver from california who was a two star out of highschool and apparently isn't smart enough to avoid automobile accidents or athletic enough to avoid injuries. he's had both hamstrings torn and now has a sprained ac joint. NEXT!
I know you say these things just to be stupid but still... :rolleyes:
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There is still the whole matter of needing talent at basically every position. This announcement isn't as exciting as, say, that of a Cam Newton but it's still adding talent to a largely untalented team.
One, small, but significant correction. This recruit replaces talent more than he adds.
Again, you are directly correlating the results from guys on this team against future results by a new guy, that is now under a new coach in Snyder. And more importantly the guys on the team now in this comparison came through the RP system. There is no comparison.
The only that you should make is Snyder's results with Juco guys. Or if you like better, his results with wide receivers over 6'2" tall.
On paper, this guy's measureables are more than meh.
Is Snyder a miracle worker, one could argue yes. Will whomever he brings in get better and achieve their potential, yes, if they are willing to work and learn, then yes. What more can you ask of a HC?
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Again, you are directly correlating the results from guys on this team against future results by a new guy, that is now under a new coach in Snyder. And more importantly the guys on the team now in this comparison came through the RP system. There is no comparison.
We're going in circles, but you're apparently still confused.
The guys on the team now are under Snyder who look virtually identical to Kenny Davis based on things like stats and measurables and recruiting interest. The only thing you can point out that separates Davis from recruits on the roster is the fact that a different man recruited them. You think that fact will make a significant difference in this player's production.
That is mind boggling to anyone with an ounce of sanity.
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There is still the whole matter of needing talent at basically every position. This announcement isn't as exciting as, say, that of a Cam Newton but it's still adding talent to a largely untalented team.
One, small, but significant correction. This recruit replaces talent more than he adds.
You watch a lot of film on this kid cRusty??
So schools like Tenn (you know where 4 and 5 star recruits line up like cord wood) supposedly offer this kid, and they're just looking for him to "replace" somebody?? Implying that they didn't really have any other choices??
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The only thing you can point out that separates Davis from recruits on the roster is the fact that a different man recruited them. You think that fact will make a significant difference in this player's production.
Do I think the coaches here now have a better ability to spot talent, probably but RP was not without that imho, he just couldn't land them. And again, I'm not implying it's the recruiter making the difference, I'm implying it's the coaching they will receive, in this case 3 frakin years of it here. Are all receivers in Cali jucos identical in your mind, none with more talent, none with more upside, size, speed, and year mean nothing?
I don't think we are that far apart on this guy, I just think his size and speed along with 3 years, and the ever important list of who else gave offers, ads up to more than a meh.
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He is part of a skate team called the "Certified Rollers."
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I hope nobody tells him that Manhattan doesn't have a skating rink. :ohno:
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atleast we have a skate park.
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can anybody quote correctly in this thread???
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Are all receivers in Cali jucos identical in your mind, none with more talent, none with more upside, size, speed, and year mean nothing?
What separates this guy from Quarles, Pierce, Snipes, etc.? Heck, what makes you think he's as good as Deon Murphy, based on the criteria you listed?
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Are all receivers in Cali jucos identical in your mind, none with more talent, none with more upside, size, speed, and year mean nothing?
What separates this guy from Quarles, Pierce, Snipes, etc.? Heck, what makes you think he's as good as Deon Murphy, based on the criteria you listed?
Since you seem to know . . . why don't you tell us why he's no better than those guys cRusty??
Also could you list out all the "game changing" WR's out of HS that have landed at K-State under Snyder 1 and Ron Prince (because I know that's your angle here).
Oh hell, I'll do it:
Michael Smith-I think K-state was Smith's only offer.
Andre Coleman-Maybe 1 or 2 offers
Kevin Lockett-1 Star WR out of Oklahoma, an offer to walk-on at Tulsa.
Tyson Schweiger-Did anyone else even offer that kid?? Did we even get him out of HS?? (and and please note this is during the period when we had the "recruiters" on the staff . . . remember?)
Mitch Running-Did anyone else even offer Running?? (again, this is when we supposedly when we had the "recruiters" on staff).
Jordy Nelson-Walkon
Aaron Lockett-If K-State wasn't "so good" to his brother, does K-State even get a sniff at this kid?
Jerome Janet-Lending credence to the axiom of "you just never know".
Darnell McDonald-Juco
Quincy Morgan-Juco (redshirted his first year at K-state)
James Terry-Juco
So yeah, I can see where you're going with this, even when K-State had the "recruiters" (Stoops, Stoops, Leavitt, Mangino, Venables) K-State barely even got sniffed at by any "big time" High School WR's. As far as I can tell the "recruiters" only landed one bonafide stone cold lead pipe lock stud during their tenure and that was Darnell McDonald (Juco), and one possible stud in Morgan (Juco).
So this is where I don't get you thinking that all of a sudden K-State is going to start landing big time stud WR's, particlarly one's out of High School.
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Are all receivers in Cali jucos identical in your mind, none with more talent, none with more upside, size, speed, and year mean nothing?
What separates this guy from Quarles, Pierce, Snipes, etc.? Heck, what makes you think he's as good as Deon Murphy, based on the criteria you listed?
Since you seem to know . . . why don't you tell us why he's no better than those guys cRusty??
Stats, offers, and measurables are what I'm basing it on. He could be better, he could be worse. I don't see anything that convinces me strongly in either direction.
Also could you list out all the "game changing" WR's out of HS that have landed at K-State under Snyder 1 and Ron Prince (because I know that's your angle here).
I don't think that's my angle at all. Of course, I'm not entirely sure what you're claiming my angle to be.
So yeah, I can see where you're going with this, even when K-State had the "recruiters" (Stoops, Stoops, Leavitt, Mangino, Venables) K-State barely even got sniffed at by any "big time" High School WR's. As far as I can tell the "recruiters" only landed one bonafide stone cold lead pipe lock stud during their tenure and that was Darnell McDonald (Juco), and one possible stud in Morgan (Juco).
The assistants you mentioned were good recruiters in part because they were so good at evaluation. But I love the made up offer lists. Not sure where you were going with it, but I liked it anyway.
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Are all receivers in Cali jucos identical in your mind, none with more talent, none with more upside, size, speed, and year mean nothing?
What separates this guy from Quarles, Pierce, Snipes, etc.? Heck, what makes you think he's as good as Deon Murphy, based on the criteria you listed?
Since you seem to know . . . why don't you tell us why he's no better than those guys cRusty??
Stats, offers, and measurables are what I'm basing it on. He could be better, he could be worse. I don't see anything that convinces me strongly in either direction. (So you don't know either way, but you seem to be making a big deal out of it??)
Also could you list out all the "game changing" WR's out of HS that have landed at K-State under Snyder 1 and Ron Prince (because I know that's your angle here).
I don't think that's my angle at all. Of course, I'm not entirely sure what you're claiming my angle to be.(You're angle is "anybody but Snyder could do better" . . . yet reality says again and again that 20 years prior, and 9 years with the "recuiters" on staff, and K-State landed exactly ZERO highly touted High School receivers, and maybe 3 or 4 highly touted JC Receivers . . . that's somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 rides to offer . . . . 4 highly touted receivers)
So yeah, I can see where you're going with this, even when K-State had the "recruiters" (Stoops, Stoops, Leavitt, Mangino, Venables) K-State barely even got sniffed at by any "big time" High School WR's. As far as I can tell the "recruiters" only landed one bonafide stone cold lead pipe lock stud during their tenure and that was Darnell McDonald (Juco), and one possible stud in Morgan (Juco).
The assistants you mentioned were good recruiters in part because they were so good at evaluation. But I love the made up offer lists. Not sure where you were going with it, but I liked it anyway. (Yeah, I mean those guys I mentioned that had so few offers must have been lying about that. Let's see, 9 years with at least 3 of the "recruiters" on staff . . . 1 or 2 highly touted JC receivers, ZERO highly touted high school receivers. 9 years, that's what . . . 200-250 rides given out?? 2 highly touted JC receivers . .. I don't see those guys as being all that superior in talent evaluation to any of the guys we have now . . . better coaches, maybe, talent evaluators . . . that's not quantifiable on any level)
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from a talent evaluation standpoint and "coaching" standpoint, it's night and day between the staff that Snyder used to have ('95-98) and the one he has now. This current staff, whose core was here from '02-05 (and through '08 if you count Rahne) are either (a) not good evaluators (b) not good "coaches" or (c) both. I now this because they took a conference championship program and wrecked it.
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(So you don't know either way, but you seem to be making a big deal out of it??)
No, I'm only taking issue with the notion that this kid is basically guaranteed to be better than WR's currently on the roster simply because Bill recruited him and might get another year or two with him.
You're angle is "anybody but Snyder could do better" . . . yet reality says again and again that 20 years prior, and 9 years with the "recuiters" on staff, and K-State landed exactly ZERO highly touted High School receivers, and maybe 3 or 4 highly touted JC Receivers . . . that's somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 rides to offer . . . . 4 highly touted receivers
That's not my angle at all. You always confuse my issue with "recruiting" as only being about stars. That's freaking retarded.
(Yeah, I mean those guys I mentioned that had so few offers must have been lying about that. Let's see, 9 years with at least 3 of the "recruiters" on staff . . . 1 or 2 highly touted JC receivers, ZERO highly touted high school receivers. 9 years, that's what . . . 200-250 rides given out?? 2 highly touted JC receivers . .. I don't see those guys as being all that superior in talent evaluation to any of the guys we have now . . . better coaches, maybe, talent evaluators . . . that's not quantifiable on any level)
Do you even read what I post? It's like you just type a canned response no matter what I write.
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Darnell McDonald-Juco
Quincy Morgan-Juco (redshirted his first year at K-state)
James Terry-Juco
how many of those guys juco balled in cali? none.
this cali guy is a loser and he and his four separate injuries since highschool can stay in california and join a hopscotch league to go along w/ his skate team because he's not going to do much here. other then get injured again.
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I'll take this kid and give him a chance. Quincy Morgan, James Terry, Yamon Figurs all juco WR's that Snyder recruited none of which were all that highly ranked out of JC. People forget this about Quincy but he didn't even play his first year out of JC he redshirted. So it's not like he was some 5 star stud that dominated from the day he walked onto campus. I wouldn't expect that out of this kid either but he's got three years to play and like those other guys he seems to have good measurables to work with.
I'm not saying this kid will be as good as those guys but I'll give him a chance. Snyder does have a history of doing a good job with Juco WR's and WR's in general. Hard to argue otherwise even his last couple of years when we sucked we had two WR's that ended up being first day NFL draft picks (Jordy and Yamon). The talent fell off at a lot of positions but it never really did at WR and almost all of our good WR's have been kind of off the radar unconventional recruits like this kid.
Obviously this guy isn't the answer to all of our problems but I see no reason to be pessimistic or upset about him.
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(So you don't know either way, but you seem to be making a big deal out of it??)
No, I'm only taking issue with the notion that this kid is basically guaranteed to be better than WR's currently on the roster simply because Bill recruited him and might get another year or two with him. (so one person is saying that . . . .kind of :rolleyes:)
You're angle is "anybody but Snyder could do better" . . . yet reality says again and again that 20 years prior, and 9 years with the "recuiters" on staff, and K-State landed exactly ZERO highly touted High School receivers, and maybe 3 or 4 highly touted JC Receivers . . . that's somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 rides to offer . . . . 4 highly touted receivers
That's not my angle at all. You always confuse my issue with "recruiting" as only being about stars. That's freaking retarded. (who said anything about stars?? So suddenly you can "project" that the guy isn't any good because YOU THINK there isn't good talent "evaluators" on the staff?)
(Yeah, I mean those guys I mentioned that had so few offers must have been lying about that. Let's see, 9 years with at least 3 of the "recruiters" on staff . . . 1 or 2 highly touted JC receivers, ZERO highly touted high school receivers. 9 years, that's what . . . 200-250 rides given out?? 2 highly touted JC receivers . .. I don't see those guys as being all that superior in talent evaluation to any of the guys we have now . . . better coaches, maybe, talent evaluators . . . that's not quantifiable on any level)
Do you even read what I post? It's like you just type a canned response no matter what I write. (Yeah I read what you post, and it's nothing but the usual cRusty agenda)
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Do you even read what I post? It's like you just type a canned response no matter what I write.
You're just now figuring this out about dax?
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Do you even read what I post? It's like you just type a canned response no matter what I write.
You're just now figuring this out about dax?
Using that "logic" it's no different than the "hate everything" canned responses from Kougs and cRusty.
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Do you even read what I post? It's like you just type a canned response no matter what I write.
You're just now figuring this out about dax?
Using that "logic" it's no different than the "hate everything" canned responses from Kougs and cRusty.
Well, rusty made it clear that he could be good he just said he wasn't going to get excited about the pickup. And, lets be honest, it's not like we just landed a guaranteed superstar here. I have no problem with the recruit (as oppossed to the Snyder kid who I have a huge problem with). I'm also not going to get all excited about it. What the f^ck is with everyone flipping out if someone isn't celebrating this like we just landed Dez Bryant :dunno:
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What the f^ck is with everyone flipping out if someone isn't celebrating this like we just landed Dez Bryant :dunno:
In the end, this is just a product of not being very good. There is a reason bad teams don't have really active message boards. See anything K-State hoops related pre-Huggs.
Plus our situation is pretty unique; falling from being a national program, weird retirement after a couple bad seeason, the Prince experiement, and Snyder coming back with mixed reviews. Really not surprising the message board discussions, especially here, have a bit of wackiness to them.
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Do you even read what I post? It's like you just type a canned response no matter what I write.
You're just now figuring this out about dax?
Using that "logic" it's no different than the "hate everything" canned responses from Kougs and cRusty.
Well, rusty made it clear that he could be good he just said he wasn't going to get excited about the pickup. And, lets be honest, it's not like we just landed a guaranteed superstar here. I have no problem with the recruit (as oppossed to the Snyder kid who I have a huge problem with). I'm also not going to get all excited about it. What the f^ck is with everyone flipping out if someone isn't celebrating this like we just landed Dez Bryant :dunno:
I agree . . . and lets never ever pretend that K-State was ever landing any "big timers" with any regularity, even when we had the so called "recruiters" on the staff.
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Do you even read what I post? It's like you just type a canned response no matter what I write.
You're just now figuring this out about dax?
Using that "logic" it's no different than the "hate everything" canned responses from Kougs and cRusty.
Well, rusty made it clear that he could be good he just said he wasn't going to get excited about the pickup. And, lets be honest, it's not like we just landed a guaranteed superstar here. I have no problem with the recruit (as oppossed to the Snyder kid who I have a huge problem with). I'm also not going to get all excited about it. What the f^ck is with everyone flipping out if someone isn't celebrating this like we just landed Dez Bryant :dunno:
I agree . . . and lets never ever pretend that K-State was ever landing any "big timers" with any regularity, even when we had the so called "recruiters" on the staff.
:buh-bye:
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at the end of the day, kstate just got a verbal from a gentleman who will be in his mid twenties by the time he steps on the field in manhattan and has had just as many injuries in the last four years as he has had football games played in.
also, can anyone link a UT site confirming the offer? i don't doubt it or anything i just couldn't find a site of theirs that showed it. thanks.
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at the end of the day, kstate just got a verbal from a gentleman who will be in his mid twenties by the time he steps on the field in manhattan and has had just as many injuries in the last four years as he has had football games played in.
also, can anyone link a UT site confirming the offer? i don't doubt it or anything i just couldn't find a site of theirs that showed it. thanks.
Well, we've actually had a few "older" guys be pretty productive . . .
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at the end of the day, kstate just got a verbal from a gentleman who will be in his mid twenties by the time he steps on the field in manhattan and has had just as many injuries in the last four years as he has had football games played in.
also, can anyone link a UT site confirming the offer? i don't doubt it or anything i just couldn't find a site of theirs that showed it. thanks.
Well, we've actually had a few "older" guys be pretty productive . . .
Jaime Mendez, and...?
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at the end of the day, kstate just got a verbal from a gentleman who will be in his mid twenties by the time he steps on the field in manhattan and has had just as many injuries in the last four years as he has had football games played in.
also, can anyone link a UT site confirming the offer? i don't doubt it or anything i just couldn't find a site of theirs that showed it. thanks.
Well, we've actually had a few "older" guys be pretty productive . . .
Jaime Mendez, and...?
Wasn't James Terry like 23 or 24 when he was a senior? Hey, Norris Coleman was like 30.
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at the end of the day, kstate just got a verbal from a gentleman who will be in his mid twenties by the time he steps on the field in manhattan and has had just as many injuries in the last four years as he has had football games played in.
also, can anyone link a UT site confirming the offer? i don't doubt it or anything i just couldn't find a site of theirs that showed it. thanks.
The UTenn rivals site shows an offer, but I don't know if that really confirms anything. I'm not sure if the individual sites track offers, or if it's a rivals network wide deal.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/tennessee/football/recruiting/player-Kenny-Davis-103977
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at the end of the day, kstate just got a verbal from a gentleman who will be in his mid twenties by the time he steps on the field in manhattan and has had just as many injuries in the last four years as he has had football games played in.
also, can anyone link a UT site confirming the offer? i don't doubt it or anything i just couldn't find a site of theirs that showed it. thanks.
The UTenn rivals site shows an offer, but I don't know if that really confirms anything. I'm not sure if the individual sites track offers, or if it's a rivals network wide deal.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/tennessee/football/recruiting/player-Kenny-Davis-103977
thx. can't get rivals at work. it was the one place i couldn't check.
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anybody get word on whether or not this budding superstar in mhk yet? sure think he's gonna be a great one.
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anybody get word on whether or not this budding superstar in mhk yet? sure think he's gonna be a great one.
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lol
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excellent bump