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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: michigancat on September 16, 2009, 12:29:12 PM
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Kitchen with a bad analogy, but good message:
That should be his only concern moving forward – not beating a UCLA this week, or even Kansas. Those are battles for the next guy. Recruit, Bill. That’s it. He should make it priority number one – ahead of coaching up the current guys.
http://810whb.com/blog/1612
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Anybody who attempts compare the two’s talents should renounce their college football fan credentials…and maybe even ask to be punched in the face.
:lol:
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I'll be surprised if Snyder ever finishes above .500 again.
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Kitchen with a bad analogy, but good message:
That should be his only concern moving forward – not beating a UCLA this week, or even Kansas. Those are battles for the next guy. Recruit, Bill. That’s it. He should make it priority number one – ahead of coaching up the current guys.
http://810whb.com/blog/1612
Curtis nails it. NAILS IT.
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I'll be surprised if Snyder ever finishes above .500 again.
In conference or overall?
Bill will get us above .500 overall before all is said and done. As for confy, as our fellow B12N brethren know, getting above .500 in the confy is tough.
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Dumb.
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Recruit, Bill. That’s it. He should make it priority number one – ahead of coaching up the current guys.
Agreed with Curtis all of the way up to this ^.
Loses all credibility there. :shy:
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Can do both? :dunno:
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snyder can't recruit. that's why he needs good looking, outgoing, extroverted people on the staff to do it for him. don't know how many of those we have. def not enough of them though.
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snyder can't recruit. that's why he needs good looking, outgoing, extroverted people on the staff to do it for him. don't know how many of those we have. def not enough of them though.
GIANT QFT
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Snyder & Co. never had a legit top 30 recruiting class. So, yeah, they should definitely be doing more of that.
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A little more:
I understand telling Bill Snyder to quit coaching in order to focus completely on recruiting is so against everything he has ever done, it doesn't even make sense to say it out loud.
But, when I hear him talk about how it's "new" for him to have a thick stack of recruits' profiles on his desk (which he did at the season opening press conference), it worries me because if he hasn't changed his time management from the first time around in terms of coaching (how could he with this team?), and he was using up all of his hours back then, when does all the "new" stuff he wants to do get done; especially when he keeps talking about all the stuff he recalls he used to do on a daily basis?
I'll bet it doesn't. And, I wonder if Snyder didn't think/hope most of the "increased" focus on recruiting was taking care of itself with the increased number of early commitments...uh, yeah...
Under normal circumstances, I wouldn't ever suggest BS focus only on recruiting. But, this isn't normal. He has a limited number of years...to make things better - for the next guy.
I was a fan of him coming back at the time (after everything else that happened), but if he loses sight of his own role, his returning quickly sours for me.
Lastly, maybe you guys can break it down, but I was informed by the Compliance Services folks that as of Sept. 3, there were 79 overall scholarships awarded for this academic year. I hope that means they think EVERY grayshirt is going to pay off and are holding 'ships for them. If not, it means JUCOs should be ready for KSU to come calling....which means nothing really changed at all.
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LOL . . . K-State is already recruiting the JC's hard. When you have suck ass depth, and $hit competition at positions the fastest way to bolster that is via the JC route. That buys time to take the highh school kids you bring in and redshirt them. The question is, will Snyder give some the high school guys that CAN contribute right away a real chance to play as true Frosh?? But K-State has a number of immediate needs at LB, DT, and at QB, that they're going to be scouring the JC ranks big time.
In terms of Snyder recruiting . . . he needs to pull a Joe Pa and concentrate almost completely on that, but he won't, and that's why they best he's ever going to do is get K-State back to a level of respectability in terms of playing major conference football and winning 6 or 7 games. He also won't fire any of the non hackers on the staff.
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In terms of Snyder recruiting . . . he needs to pull a Joe Pa and concentrate almost completely on that, but he won't, and that's why they best he's ever going to do is get K-State back to a level of respectability in terms of playing major conference football and winning 6 or 7 games. He also won't fire any of the non hackers on the staff.
WTF? That's pretty much exactly what I have been saying. Only when I say it you don't like it.
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Sweet. So, all that's truly changed is he's nicer to reporters, keeps up on current events, and doesn't take losses so hard.
New Bill is worse so far than Previous Bill.
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In terms of Snyder recruiting . . . he needs to pull a Joe Pa and concentrate almost completely on that, but he won't, and that's why they best he's ever going to do is get K-State back to a level of respectability in terms of playing major conference football and winning 6 or 7 games. He also won't fire any of the non hackers on the staff.
WTF? That's pretty much exactly what I have been saying. Only when I say it you don't like it.
No cRusty . . . I get tired of your b_tching when I know you're doing it ALL from the non hire of your spank sock fantasy boy perspective. We get it, we all wanted K-State to hire Patterson . . . but it ain't going to happen, and as I said Sat. night it would'nt look all that much prettier out there if Patterson was the coach, and while I think he'd do a good job at K-State, he walked into a pretty sweet situation at tcu. Plus who knows if his Kansas $hitkicker perpetual case of the red ass ways plays well on a bigger stage.
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CK = dumbass.
OU ALWAYS had talent.
Stoops new offense and toughness made the difference.
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"A three-year stint as PR manager for the Sports Car Club of America gave him a great inside look at the world of motorsports first with the ProRally series (including X-games star Travis Pastrana's rookie season as a rally driver), then with the SCCA SPEED World Challenge series, which ran alongside NASCAR, Champ Car, IRL (yes, he saw Danica, yes, she's hot) and other prominent series... Now into few years since his hire, Kitchen covers K-State, writes columns for the 810whb.com Web site, co-hosts 810 WHB Sports Center on occasion and produces KAOS (Kenny and Ozone show) on Hot Talk 1510 KCTE during the week."
Ha, ha! The guy knows less about football than I do (and that's saying quite a bit) and he knows less about K-State than Kellis. :AzCatBS:
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In terms of Snyder recruiting . . . he needs to pull a Joe Pa and concentrate almost completely on that, but he won't, and that's why they best he's ever going to do is get K-State back to a level of respectability in terms of playing major conference football and winning 6 or 7 games. He also won't fire any of the non hackers on the staff.
WTF? That's pretty much exactly what I have been saying. Only when I say it you don't like it.
No cRusty . . . I get tired of your b_tching when I know you're doing it ALL from the non hire of your spank sock fantasy boy perspective. We get it, we all wanted K-State to hire Patterson . . . but it ain't going to happen, and as I said Sat. night it would'nt look all that much prettier out there if Patterson was the coach, and while I think he'd do a good job at K-State, he walked into a pretty sweet situation at tcu. Plus who knows if his Kansas $hitkicker perpetual case of the red ass ways plays well on a bigger stage.
So funny when you bitch about others bitching when 97% of your posts are directed at other posters rather than discussing a topic.
You're the closest thing to a bitch we have on this board, dax. :thumbsup:
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BITCH FIGHT!
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BITCH FIGHT!
There's only one here, unless catfan28 shows up. :dunno:
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Obviously acquiring talent is important. I'm not going to call it recruiting because to me that implies the recruiting ranking games and all the BS that goes with that. The only thing that matters is getting good players sometimes the rankings reflect this and sometimes they don't.
I am of the opinion Snyder did a good job of getting players here this last year even though the rankings didn't reflect that. I mean we added damn near 40 new players to the roster from the previous year. A fair number of these guys are already on the field and have proven to be upgrades from what we had. I've also been told that guys like David Garrett, Prizell Brown, Darious Thomas, Broderic Smith, Terrance Swinney, and Sam Lamur actually walked on to KSU and will be given scholarships down the road. So we'll get caught up to the 85 limit when these guys go on ship. I think it is impressive that we were able to get guys of that caliber to walk on. We had ships under the 85 limit but with all the greyshirts and what not we didn't have room under the 25 man limit in the recruiting class.
As for this year's recruiting class it's still pretty early and the jury is still out. We have a bunch of greyshirts along with our early commits. We really don't have that many ships left to give. Seems we're focusing on some key needs like Cam Newton and some juco DT's. I'm sure Snyder will want to leave some ships open for late bloomers that have good seniors years. But I'm not going to judge it until fall camp starts next year. I thought last years class sucked on signing day but there was so much activity over the summer things looked totally different by the time fall camp started up.
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Obviously acquiring talent is important. I'm not going to call it recruiting because to me that implies the recruiting ranking games and all the BS that goes with that. The only thing that matters is getting good players sometimes the rankings reflect this and sometimes they don't.
I am of the opinion Snyder did a good job of getting players here this last year even though the rankings didn't reflect that. I mean we added damn near 40 new players to the roster from the previous year. A fair number of these guys are already on the field and have proven to be upgrades from what we had. I've also been told that guys like David Garrett, Prizell Brown, Darious Thomas, Broderic Smith, Terrance Swinney, and Sam Lamur actually walked on to KSU and will be given scholarships down the road. So we'll get caught up to the 85 limit when these guys go on ship. I think it is impressive that we were able to get guys of that caliber to walk on. We had ships under the 85 limit but with all the greyshirts and what not we didn't have room under the 25 man limit in the recruiting class.
As for this year's recruiting class it's still pretty early and the jury is still out. We have a bunch of greyshirts along with our early commits. We really don't have that many ships left to give. Seems we're focusing on some key needs like Cam Newton and some juco DT's. I'm sure Snyder will want to leave some ships open for late bloomers that have good seniors years. But I'm not going to judge it until fall camp starts next year. I thought last years class sucked on signing day but there was so much activity over the summer things looked totally different by the time fall camp started up.
agreed across the board. i still think winning individual recruiting battles is a decent indicator of recruiting.
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Sweet. So, all that's truly changed is he's nicer to reporters, keeps up on current events, and doesn't take losses so hard.
New Bill is worse so far than Previous Bill.
He's also older.
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In terms of Snyder recruiting . . . he needs to pull a Joe Pa and concentrate almost completely on that, but he won't, and that's why they best he's ever going to do is get K-State back to a level of respectability in terms of playing major conference football and winning 6 or 7 games. He also won't fire any of the non hackers on the staff.
WTF? That's pretty much exactly what I have been saying. Only when I say it you don't like it.
No cRusty . . . I get tired of your b_tching when I know you're doing it ALL from the non hire of your spank sock fantasy boy perspective. We get it, we all wanted K-State to hire Patterson . . . but it ain't going to happen, and as I said Sat. night it would'nt look all that much prettier out there if Patterson was the coach, and while I think he'd do a good job at K-State, he walked into a pretty sweet situation at tcu. Plus who knows if his Kansas $hitkicker perpetual case of the red ass ways plays well on a bigger stage.
It isn't about GP at all. Not sure why you always think I'm a huge Patterson fan.
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No cRusty . . . I get tired of your b_tching when I know you're doing it ALL from the non hire of your spank sock fantasy boy perspective. We get it, we all wanted K-State to hire Patterson . . . but it ain't going to happen, and as I said Sat. night it would'nt look all that much prettier out there if Patterson was the coach, and while I think he'd do a good job at K-State, he walked into a pretty sweet situation at tcu. Plus who knows if his Kansas $hitkicker perpetual case of the red ass ways plays well on a bigger stage.
He's 12-3 in his last 15 BCS games. tcu is a CRAP job. I don't care if its in DFW. It's complete garbage that only looks good now because of g-patty.
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In terms of Snyder recruiting . . . he needs to pull a Joe Pa and concentrate almost completely on that, but he won't, and that's why they best he's ever going to do is get K-State back to a level of respectability in terms of playing major conference football and winning 6 or 7 games. He also won't fire any of the non hackers on the staff.
WTF? That's pretty much exactly what I have been saying. Only when I say it you don't like it.
No cRusty . . . I get tired of your b_tching when I know you're doing it ALL from the non hire of your spank sock fantasy boy perspective. We get it, we all wanted K-State to hire Patterson . . . but it ain't going to happen, and as I said Sat. night it would'nt look all that much prettier out there if Patterson was the coach, and while I think he'd do a good job at K-State, he walked into a pretty sweet situation at tcu. Plus who knows if his Kansas $hitkicker perpetual case of the red ass ways plays well on a bigger stage.
So funny when you bitch about others bitching when 97% of your posts are directed at other posters rather than discussing a topic.
You're the closest thing to a bitch we have on this board, dax. :thumbsup:
You've officially taken over DocStalksSmith's role Kougs (ksf's Legend) . . . congrats. :thumbsup:
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No cRusty . . . I get tired of your b_tching when I know you're doing it ALL from the non hire of your spank sock fantasy boy perspective. We get it, we all wanted K-State to hire Patterson . . . but it ain't going to happen, and as I said Sat. night it would'nt look all that much prettier out there if Patterson was the coach, and while I think he'd do a good job at K-State, he walked into a pretty sweet situation at tcu. Plus who knows if his Kansas $hitkicker perpetual case of the red ass ways plays well on a bigger stage.
He's 12-3 in his last 15 BCS games. tcu is a CRAP job. I don't care if its in DFW. It's complete garbage that only looks good now because of g-patty.
tcu is one of the best non-BCS jobs in the country. Who needs :AA: when the richest recruiting area in the country is in your own back yard?
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No cRusty . . . I get tired of your b_tching when I know you're doing it ALL from the non hire of your spank sock fantasy boy perspective. We get it, we all wanted K-State to hire Patterson . . . but it ain't going to happen, and as I said Sat. night it would'nt look all that much prettier out there if Patterson was the coach, and while I think he'd do a good job at K-State, he walked into a pretty sweet situation at tcu. Plus who knows if his Kansas $hitkicker perpetual case of the red ass ways plays well on a bigger stage.
He's 12-3 in his last 15 BCS games. tcu is a CRAP job. I don't care if its in DFW. It's complete garbage that only looks good now because of g-patty.
Fatty, just where did I say Patterson wasn't a good coach?? But, he walked through the doors as a head coach of a program that went 10-2 the season before, won their conference and got all kinds of publicity.
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No cRusty . . . I get tired of your b_tching when I know you're doing it ALL from the non hire of your spank sock fantasy boy perspective. We get it, we all wanted K-State to hire Patterson . . . but it ain't going to happen, and as I said Sat. night it would'nt look all that much prettier out there if Patterson was the coach, and while I think he'd do a good job at K-State, he walked into a pretty sweet situation at tcu. Plus who knows if his Kansas $hitkicker perpetual case of the red ass ways plays well on a bigger stage.
He's 12-3 in his last 15 BCS games. tcu is a CRAP job. I don't care if its in DFW. It's complete garbage that only looks good now because of g-patty.
Fatty, just where did I say Patterson wasn't a good coach?? But, he walked through the doors as a head coach of a program that went 10-2 the season before, won their conference and got all kinds of publicity.
and he was the defensive coordinator during that era...
the guy is as legit as it comes. of course there isn't an automatic when you select a coach, but patterson is as close as you can get.
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Sweet. So, all that's truly changed is he's nicer to reporters, keeps up on current events, and doesn't take losses so hard.
New Bill is worse so far than Previous Bill.
He's also older.
and he is going to learn he isn't the only game in town anymore. Frank won't roll over for the football program like Wooly, TA, DA etc.
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it cracks me up when bmw uses this :ksu:
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BITCH FIGHT!
There's only one here, unless catfan28 shows up. :dunno:
I love you.
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BITCH FIGHT!
There's only one here, unless catfan28 shows up. :dunno:
I love you.
I'm sorry I ever doubted your architectural eye. :kstatriot:
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No cRusty . . . I get tired of your b_tching when I know you're doing it ALL from the non hire of your spank sock fantasy boy perspective. We get it, we all wanted K-State to hire Patterson . . . but it ain't going to happen, and as I said Sat. night it would'nt look all that much prettier out there if Patterson was the coach, and while I think he'd do a good job at K-State, he walked into a pretty sweet situation at tcu. Plus who knows if his Kansas $hitkicker perpetual case of the red ass ways plays well on a bigger stage.
He's 12-3 in his last 15 BCS games. tcu is a CRAP job. I don't care if its in DFW. It's complete garbage that only looks good now because of g-patty.
Fatty, just where did I say Patterson wasn't a good coach?? But, he walked through the doors as a head coach of a program that went 10-2 the season before, won their conference and got all kinds of publicity.
and he was the defensive coordinator during that era...
the guy is as legit as it comes. of course there isn't an automatic when you select a coach, but patterson is as close as you can get.
Never said he wasn't legit, and also said I wanted him to be the coach at K-State.
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"A three-year stint as PR manager for the Sports Car Club of America gave him a great inside look at the world of motorsports first with the ProRally series (including X-games star Travis Pastrana's rookie season as a rally driver), then with the SCCA SPEED World Challenge series, which ran alongside NASCAR, Champ Car, IRL (yes, he saw Danica, yes, she's hot) and other prominent series... Now into few years since his hire, Kitchen covers K-State, writes columns for the 810whb.com Web site, co-hosts 810 WHB Sports Center on occasion and produces KAOS (Kenny and Ozone show) on Hot Talk 1510 KCTE during the week."
Ha, ha! The guy knows less about football than I do (and that's saying quite a bit) and he knows less about K-State than Kellis. :AzCatBS:
What's with all the CK hate? Seems like he thinks outside the box and actually gives us some insight, instead of posting links to others work.
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so as far as I can tell the following changes to recruiting have taken place:
- we offer kids earlier
- we let kids take officials after they've "committed"
- we have recruiting coordinator instead of having a coach do it (so now Cosh can focus on coaching Houlik)
- snyds has blackberry
and with respect to the first 1, the only difference should be the offer, I'd like to have thought those assholes were doing evaluations it was just that snyds wanted their senior year to make a final eval on and offer. if not, then congrats on finally doing that and not being completely retarded.
but in the end, it won't really matter. crappy assistants get crappy recruits. it's science. I have hopes for Dimel but only because of his Blinn connection. Haven't seen much from Vic or Dickie...but the rest of the group (Mo, JBC, Cosh, M. Smith, Del, Rahne) can lick Mangino's taint. That collection of losers couldn't do sh*t with years of winning 11 games, a conference championship, and better faciliites (at the time) than ku or MU. If they couldn't do it then, they won't now, imo. So they can spend all the time in the world on recruiting and it won't make a sh*t of difference. It's like asking Houlik to quit going to classes and just practice all the time thinking it will make a tangible difference on Saturdays. Snyder needs to get better assistants (but he won't).
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He is working on his second recruiting class, and unfortunately, it's much harder because of the way the schollie situation is right now.
However, the quality and caliber of interested talent has gone up and will continue to do so. It's a little unfair at this point to make distinctions on what Snyder will accomplish based on the current situation.
It is true that he is getting in on kids we probably wouldn't be in with Prince, but at the same time, we're still going to lose to Stoops, Meyer, Mack Brown, and some of the other hot big name coaches. Coaching the kids up is still going to be necessary until we can get passed some of the linger previous coach issues.
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It is true that he is getting in on kids we probably wouldn't be in with Prince, but at the same time, we're still going to lose to Stoops, Meyer, Mack Brown, and some of the other hot big name coaches. Coaching the kids up is still going to be necessary until we can get passed some of the linger previous coach issues.
Who his he getting that Prince couldn't get an equivalent of? To hell with "losing" to stoops and co., he isn't even competing at that level.
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I will say this, I don't see anybody so far with K-State offers, where K-State is competing against D1AA schools only.
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Obviously acquiring talent is important. I'm not going to call it recruiting because to me that implies the recruiting ranking games and all the BS that goes with that. The only thing that matters is getting good players sometimes the rankings reflect this and sometimes they don't.
I am of the opinion Snyder did a good job of getting players here this last year even though the rankings didn't reflect that. I mean we added damn near 40 new players to the roster from the previous year. A fair number of these guys are already on the field and have proven to be upgrades from what we had. I've also been told that guys like David Garrett, Prizell Brown, Darious Thomas, Broderic Smith, Terrance Swinney, and Sam Lamur actually walked on to KSU and will be given scholarships down the road. So we'll get caught up to the 85 limit when these guys go on ship. I think it is impressive that we were able to get guys of that caliber to walk on. We had ships under the 85 limit but with all the greyshirts and what not we didn't have room under the 25 man limit in the recruiting class.
As for this year's recruiting class it's still pretty early and the jury is still out. We have a bunch of greyshirts along with our early commits. We really don't have that many ships left to give. Seems we're focusing on some key needs like Cam Newton and some juco DT's. I'm sure Snyder will want to leave some ships open for late bloomers that have good seniors years. But I'm not going to judge it until fall camp starts next year. I thought last years class sucked on signing day but there was so much activity over the summer things looked totally different by the time fall camp started up.
I agree with this.
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I will say this, I don't see anybody so far with K-State offers, where K-State is competing against D1AA schools only.
And just who did KSU sign that fit this description and wasn't an obvious juco sign-and-place?
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I will say this, I don't see anybody so far with K-State offers, where K-State is competing against D1AA schools only.
And just who did KSU sign that fit this description and wasn't an obvious juco sign-and-place?
I guess you don't know what the word "Offer" means huh cRusty??
Why would a BCS conference program waste any of its time to sign and place a non D1 prospect . . . when there's plenty of real D1 prospects (non qualifiers) that it could sign and place??
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I will say this, I don't see anybody so far with K-State offers, where K-State is competing against D1AA schools only.
And just who did KSU sign that fit this description and wasn't an obvious juco sign-and-place?
I guess you don't know what the word "Offer" means huh cRusty??
Why would a BCS conference program waste any of its time to sign and place a non D1 prospect . . . when there's plenty of real D1 prospects (non qualifiers) that it could sign and place??
Who are you talking about?
:dunno:
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I'd have to go back and look, but I distinctly remember Prince (staff) offering several kids who weren't getting anything but looks from schools like Richmond or James Madison.
But again, why would a BCS conference school waste anytime signing and placing a kid who wasn't even really a D1 prospect??
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I'd have to go back and look, but I distinctly remember Prince (staff) offering several kids who weren't getting anything but looks from schools like Richmond or James Madison.
But again, why would a BCS conference school waste anytime signing and placing a kid who wasn't even really a D1 prospect??
I don't even know if they did a sign-and-place like that. No names?
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I'd have to go back and look, but I distinctly remember Prince (staff) offering several kids who weren't getting anything but looks from schools like Richmond or James Madison.
But again, why would a BCS conference school waste anytime signing and placing a kid who wasn't even really a D1 prospect??
I don't even know if they did a sign-and-place like that. No names?
NO cRusty . . . no names, but I distinctly remember somebody like Wabash Roll posting a couple of pretty funny posts about some of the guys Prince was recruiting who only listed FCS schools. I didn't just make this up.
Having gone back through some of the lists that K-State did sign . . . what a disaster. Jake Ropeke??
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Having gone back through some of the lists that K-State did sign . . . what a disaster. Jake Ropeke??
Horrible example for this discussion. Dude gave a wildcat growl at a Mizzou game.
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Having gone back through some of the lists that K-State did sign . . . what a disaster. Jake Ropeke??
Horrible example for this discussion. Dude gave a wildcat growl at a Mizzou game.
I think it's enshrined in the voicemail system somewhere in Vanier.
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I think the idea of Snyder not coaching and just recruiting is asinine. The majority of the guys who are on the team now will be playing our games next year and the year after. Chasing after amazing recruits that we aren't gonna get anyway is a waste of time. We all know how important recruiting is, but allowing the team to wallow away and become a bigger crap sandwich than it already is doesn't do a damn thing to help recruiting. We have to show the kids that the team and the program are improving. Going out and putting on a decent show on national TV against a university that everyone has heard of is a good way to help recruiting. Also, Snyds isn't gonna be the one to bring in the big recruits (neither will any of our other coaches for that matter). In summation, the only way to fix our football program involves a time machine and a different group of people running the show. Short of that, we have to coach up who we've got and try not to be embarrassingly bad...what's that? We lost to a DI-AA team? Oh, well in that case, we should all consider suicide.