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Are we going to have better talent on the football field this year than we did last year? Where will we be better, and where will we be worse?
Thanks,
WildCatzPhreak
:ksu:
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Think '98 talent
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Maybe I meant '88, can't remember.
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Split the difference and call it '93 talent.
I'm actually leaning towards '91 talent myself--enough pieces to surprise some folks, but not enough to make a legitimate run.
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I think the D-Line will be better which should shore up and hide alot of our defensive problems i think...
http://www.cjonline.com/sports/football/2009-08-08/ksu_d_looks_for_jumpstart
Qb will be a drop but I think Coach will make due... its not like Freeman was a typical Snyder guy anyway
I'm pumped for the season, I think there will be some positive surprises!
I'm drinking the kool-aid though :ksu:
:kstatriot:
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Football expert here. Here is the analysis from someone in the "biz":
OL: Worse. Same guys minus some injuries.
QB: Way, way worse.
RB: Equal. Total suckville. Same losers from last year minus some who changed position and plus some 18 year olds and a guy that just barely got qualified via Manhattan Christian.
WR: Same guys so hopefully they got better. BETTER! B-.
DL: Has to be better. Looks great compared to the sucktown USA that is the rest of the D but is prolly not top 5 in the Big 12.
LB: We may not have a single LB that would start at any LB position in the Big 12. Hilarious badness. Equal to or better than last year.
CB: Josh is good! Maybe a shade worse given no CB depth now.
So, in summary, we are probably worse talent wise. Luckily we have an easier schedule so we may get a few Ws.
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Football expert here. Here is the analysis from someone in the "biz":
OL: Worse. Same guys minus some injuries.
QB: Way, way worse.
RB: Equal. Total suckville. Same losers from last year minus some who changed position and plus some 18 year olds and a guy that just barely got qualified via Manhattan Christian.
WR: Same guys so hopefully they got better. BETTER! B-.
DL: Has to be better. Looks great compared to the sucktown USA that is the rest of the D but is prolly not top 5 in the Big 12.
LB: We may not have a single LB that would start at any LB position in the Big 12. Hilarious badness. Equal to or better than last year.
CB: Josh is good! Maybe a shade worse given no CB depth now.
So, in summary, we are probably worse talent wise. Luckily we have an easier schedule so we may get a few Ws.
You neglected to mention the safeties. I assume they will be better, it would be hard to actually be worse. Also, I tend to think that D. Thomas + Hubert + Flanders >>>Valentine + Dold + Brown. IMO anyway.
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Football expert here. Here is the analysis from someone in the "biz":
OL: Worse. Same guys minus some injuries.
QB: Way, way worse.
RB: Equal. Total suckville. Same losers from last year minus some who changed position and plus some 18 year olds and a guy that just barely got qualified via Manhattan Christian.
WR: Same guys so hopefully they got better. BETTER! B-.
DL: Has to be better. Looks great compared to the sucktown USA that is the rest of the D but is prolly not top 5 in the Big 12.
LB: We may not have a single LB that would start at any LB position in the Big 12. Hilarious badness. Equal to or better than last year.
CB: Josh is good! Maybe a shade worse given no CB depth now.
So, in summary, we are probably worse talent wise. Luckily we have an easier schedule so we may get a few Ws.
You neglected to mention the safeties. I assume they will be better, it would be hard to actually be worse. Also, I tend to think that D. Thomas + Hubert + Flanders >>>Valentine + Dold + Brown. IMO anyway.
OK. Do your own list :dunno:
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D. Thomas + Hubert + Flanders >>>Valentine + Dold + Brown
you hope.
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Hello. I am a football experttm. However, my analysis will cost $29.95 or three :katpak:
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OL: Better or same. Same guys for the most part. Better coaching
QB: Worse, but with better play calling.
RB: Same, but will actually get carries.
WR: Same guys with better coaching.
DL: See WRs
LB: Same but still awful.
DB: Same but hopefully won't quit as easily as last year.
Summary, we aren't better at any spot, but we'll see how much more we can do with better coaching, game-planning and play calling.
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Football expert here. Here is the analysis from someone in the "biz":
OL: Worse. Same guys minus some injuries.
QB: Way, way worse.
RB: Equal. Total suckville. Same losers from last year minus some who changed position and plus some 18 year olds and a guy that just barely got qualified via Manhattan Christian.
WR: Same guys so hopefully they got better. BETTER! B-.
DL: Has to be better. Looks great compared to the sucktown USA that is the rest of the D but is prolly not top 5 in the Big 12.
LB: We may not have a single LB that would start at any LB position in the Big 12. Hilarious badness. Equal to or better than last year.
CB: Josh is good! Maybe a shade worse given no CB depth now.
So, in summary, we are probably worse talent wise. Luckily we have an easier schedule so we may get a few Ws.
You neglected to mention the safeties. I assume they will be better, it would be hard to actually be worse. Also, I tend to think that D. Thomas + Hubert + Flanders >>>Valentine + Dold + Brown. IMO anyway.
OK. Do your own list :dunno:
The only thing I disagreed with was the RBs, so I threw my 2 cents in.
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D. Thomas + Hubert + Flanders >>>Valentine + Dold + Brown
you hope.
Notice I didn't say they were going to be anything special, only better than what we had. It's not hard to improve on a juco walk-on, a converted safety, and a converted LB. Course, they'll still suck if nobody blocks for them again.
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Football expert here. Here is the analysis from someone in the "biz":
OL: Worse. Same guys minus some injuries.
QB: Way, way worse.
RB: Equal. Total suckville. Same losers from last year minus some who changed position and plus some 18 year olds and a guy that just barely got qualified via Manhattan Christian.
WR: Same guys so hopefully they got better. BETTER! B-.
DL: Has to be better. Looks great compared to the sucktown USA that is the rest of the D but is prolly not top 5 in the Big 12.
LB: We may not have a single LB that would start at any LB position in the Big 12. Hilarious badness. Equal to or better than last year.
CB: Josh is good! Maybe a shade worse given no CB depth now.
So, in summary, we are probably worse talent wise. Luckily we have an easier schedule so we may get a few Ws.
new coach for your info.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=84020&draftyear=2010&genpos=OLB
88 & 89 you giant pile of sh**.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2012?&start_row=1101
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Football expert here. Here is the analysis from someone in the "biz":
OL: Worse. Same guys minus some injuries.
QB: Way, way worse.
RB: Equal. Total suckville. Same losers from last year minus some who changed position and plus some 18 year olds and a guy that just barely got qualified via Manhattan Christian.
WR: Same guys so hopefully they got better. BETTER! B-.
DL: Has to be better. Looks great compared to the sucktown USA that is the rest of the D but is prolly not top 5 in the Big 12.
LB: We may not have a single LB that would start at any LB position in the Big 12. Hilarious badness. Equal to or better than last year.
CB: Josh is good! Maybe a shade worse given no CB depth now.
So, in summary, we are probably worse talent wise. Luckily we have an easier schedule so we may get a few Ws.
Thanks for the analysis bro!
I am hoping my fav team can win some more games this year.
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So, is Deon Murphy not a great loss?
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So, is Deon Murphy not a great loss?
He is. Moreso in the return game imo. He dropped a lot of balls.
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So, is Deon Murphy not a great loss?
He is. Moreso in the return game imo. He dropped a lot of balls.
Snyds will have special teams ready to roll.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHTQS_k4XiQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHTQS_k4XiQ)
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I concur with your post! Here's what I believe right now. Just general thoughts about the season. Snyder will be successful this year in reinstilling disipline, understanding and organization plus sense of direction among the coaches and players. Players will have greater understanding of what their roll is what expectations are. Snyder is a master at putting talent where it needs to be :kstatriot: in order to succeed. We will see a team that will play every down with the belief that they can be successful on every play. This in my view will make them impressive. I didn't say win every game. We will see a system in place that will be built upon. IMHO
I think the D-Line will be better which should shore up and hide alot of our defensive problems i think...
http://www.cjonline.com/sports/football/2009-08-08/ksu_d_looks_for_jumpstart
Qb will be a drop but I think Coach will make due... its not like Freeman was a typical Snyder guy anyway
I'm pumped for the season, I think there will be some positive surprises!
I'm drinking the kool-aid though :ksu:
:kstatriot:
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I thought Freeman could have been unbelievable. I think a case could be made against Prince charging him with coaching mal practice. Freeman didn't improve one bit from my view while at K-state. I still believe him to be a talent. That said I don't believe the current quarterback to have abilities anywhere close to Freeman. I do believe Snyder will allow him to be successful though. :kstatriot:
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Were screwed.
We don't have enough talented dbacks to run the 4-2-5 but I'm pretty sure this is what we will be mainly running and the lbs are lol hilarious so any formation that puts more than 3 lbs is out of the question,.
the most depth we have is in the dline so we will pretty much always be running a 4 man front in a pass heavy conference. this will help with those slip screens that we always got killed on last year. and hopefully on running plays are de's can contain the outside and let fitzgerald do all of the work because we know nobody else is going to make a tackle.
as for the offense I honestly don't know how we are going to score points especially in the redzone. way to many hopefullys on the offense and defense.
special teams should be good.
gooooo catz :ksu:
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I thought Freeman could have been unbelievable. I think a case could be made against Prince charging him with coaching mal practice. Freeman didn't improve one bit from my view while at K-state. I still believe him to be a talent. That said I don't believe the current quarterback to have abilities anywhere close to Freeman. I do believe Snyder will allow him to be successful though. :kstatriot:
Agree with a lot of this.
I think Snyder will actually run plays that make the team do well and not his cherished 1st round QB. And hope to get a few ST, defensive, or trick play tds
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Hello. I am a football experttm. However, my analysis will cost $29.95 or three :katpak:
:katpak: :katpak: :katpak:
Get to analyzing :cyclist:
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QB: Freemaw was drafted on upside, measurables, not on accomplishments in college. I loved watching him play, but with few exceptions (OSU x 2, UT x 2, CU x 2) the guy underwhelmed. He never got better, but he would have under Snyder. For everytime he did something great, he turned it over 6 times in Lawrence, or threw a key pick, or missed a pass, generally did not inspire or lead (IMHO). I guess what I am saying is that Freemaw at KSU was the same as his draft status, I expected more. Therefore, I don't think the end results are going to be a "huge dropoff". Make a few plays, don't cost us games and I will be fine.
DL: The DL is WAY more talented than it was last year if for no other reason than we add Fitzgerald and Abana and lost nobody.
LB: MUCH, much better, if for no other reason than ONLY 2 will be on the field at any one time.
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QB: Freemaw was drafted on upside, measurables, not on accomplishments in college. I loved watching him play, but with few exceptions (OSU x 2, UT x 2, CU x 2) the guy underwhelmed. He never got better, but he would have under Snyder. For everytime he did something great, he turned it over 6 times in Lawrence, or threw a key pick, or missed a pass, generally did not inspire or lead (IMHO). I guess what I am saying is that Freemaw at KSU was the same as his draft status, I expected more. Therefore, I don't think the end results are going to be a "huge dropoff". Make a few plays, don't cost us games and I will be fine.
DL: The DL is WAY more talented than it was last year if for no other reason than we add Fitzgerald and Abana and lost nobody.
LB: MUCH, much better, if for no other reason than ONLY 2 will be on the field at any one time.
QFMFT :thumbsup:
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QFMFT
seriously? i mean, i don't want to shutdown a major emaw production plant...but c'mon bros.
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FFF - I'm just pumped for football season, and optimistic we can field a bowl team for my final year :kstatriot:
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QB: Freemaw was drafted on upside, measurables, not on accomplishments in college. I loved watching him play, but with few exceptions (OSU x 2, UT x 2, CU x 2) the guy underwhelmed. He never got better, but he would have under Snyder. For everytime he did something great, he turned it over 6 times in Lawrence, or threw a key pick, or missed a pass, generally did not inspire or lead (IMHO). I guess what I am saying is that Freemaw at KSU was the same as his draft status, I expected more. Therefore, I don't think the end results are going to be a "huge dropoff". Make a few plays, don't cost us games and I will be fine.
DL: The DL is WAY more talented than it was last year if for no other reason than we add Fitzgerald and Abana and lost nobody.
LB: MUCH, much better, if for no other reason than ONLY 2 will be on the field at any one time.
THIS^
Plus, RB better. Frack, anything is better than last year. Yeah, we've bought into the hype before with JUCO's, but I believe D Thomas is actually going to bring a new dimension to the table.
WR. I still believe is going to blow. Banks is a nice threat, but we've got no other playmakers in the group. Lamark is what he is, and then there's nobody else stepping in. Losing Murphy does hurt and Snyder crapping his pants in addressing this need in the last recruiting class will hurt this unit in general. D Thomas is another wildcard here, though. Probably see him split out a bunch and catching a lot of passes in atypical formations ala Frank Murphy.
Secondary, better. If for no other reason, they are actually receiving some legitimate D1 coaching for the first time in their college careers. Moore, proven commodity. We'll see who emerges at the other corner positions. Lamur is said to be legit at safety. This unit as a whole could be a surprise.
LB's. Continued Suckage. As noted above though, will be better as a whole, because there will be fewer of them on the field.
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So, is Deon Murphy not a great loss?
He is. Moreso in the return game imo. He dropped a lot of balls.
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YES!
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The OL will be better? Last year's OL was one of the most experienced in the conference. This year's has less than forty starts after losing its first or second best guy to injury. Same guys? After losing Bedore, Spexarth, Alesana, Liu and Prince [that's three starters and two from the two deep]? Do you even follow your own team?
OL: Better or same. Same guys for the most part. Better coaching
QB: Worse, but with better play calling.
RB: Same, but will actually get carries.
WR: Same guys with better coaching.
DL: See WRs
LB: Same but still awful.
DB: Same but hopefully won't quit as easily as last year.
Summary, we aren't better at any spot, but we'll see how much more we can do with better coaching, game-planning and play calling.
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I think the OL will be much better.
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I think the OL will be much better.
Reasoning? Really wanna hear from a fb expert.
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I think the OL will be much better.
Reasoning? Really wanna hear from a fb expert.
The guys with all the talent were on the bench. (I live in Nebraska)
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I think the OL will be much better.
Reasoning? Really wanna hear from a fb expert.
The guys with all the talent were on the bench. (I live in Nebraska)
have you read bmw?? emaw.
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so, in comparison to last year:
QB: (-) can't lose a player like Freems and replace him with Carson (what convinces anyone that he's even a "game manager" from what they've seen of him is beyond me) or McNeck (who's got about as much experience as Carson) and think this magically gets "better".
RB: (+) just the addition of thomas and hubert makes his a +. basically having anyone not named dold or valentine would have made this a +.
OL: (-) can't lose unruh and think the line gets better when it was fairly terrible atleast from a run blocking stand point to begin with...which is great since we're going to a more run oriented offense (allegedly). we need a magic dickey.
TE: (+) looks like talented/good players and some depth as well, which is weird.
WR: (push) until proven otherwise, Lamark has wasted his career at KSU. It's a lot to expect a lolly pop kid to be th leader of the WR corp. this should prolly be a - now that I think about it.
DE: (+) only due to a more seasoned Harold. I'm not really sold on Childs. Zero depth even with Abana back (which, again, not really sold on).
DT: (+) only due to the addition of Fitz (non-lemon) no one at either DE or DT except for Harold has really consisently shown anything. We're hoping Fitz is as advertised.
LB: (-) no explanation needed.
DB: (push) no depth, not that much talent, want to believe in Emmanuel (anyone remember that porn that used to be on Cinemax entitled Emmanuellle? It was like late 70's porn, lots of bush) but I've been hurt by the pre-season hype before.
special teams: (+) punter on the field for all punting situations will be a nice start. apparently that Doerr guy is super spectacular awesome.
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I am holding out optimism on Coffman because I recall Snyder's offense when he had talent such as Paul Watson, Chris Cobb, Carl Straw, Matt Garber and Brian Kavanaugh running around. Those guys were tough as hell, but to my recollection only Watson sniffed the NFL (and that was prior to getting stabbed at the Last Chance). I expect KSU to run that offense this year as opposed to the Bishop, Beasley, Roberson type. When KSU ran the latter offense with a sub-par QB (no offense Adam Helm or Jeff Schwinn) it really didn't work, so I am holding out hope that OB goes with the former.
FWIW I see Gregory as a Matt Miller type, the in-between if you will as that he is not a good enough runner or passer but does enough of both to keep you honest.
I'll save you the trouble... :koolaid:
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so, in comparison to last year:
QB: (-) can't lose a player like Freems and replace him with Carson (what convinces anyone that he's even a "game manager" from what they've seen of him is beyond me) or McNeck (who's got about as much experience as Carson) and think this magically gets "better".
RB: (+) just the addition of thomas and hubert makes his a +. basically having anyone not named dold or valentine would have made this a +.
OL: (-) can't lose unruh and think the line gets better when it was fairly terrible atleast from a run blocking stand point to begin with...which is great since we're going to a more run oriented offense (allegedly). we need a magic dickey.
TE: (+) looks like talented/good players and some depth as well, which is weird.
WR: (push) until proven otherwise, Lamark has wasted his career at KSU. It's a lot to expect a lolly pop kid to be th leader of the WR corp. this should prolly be a - now that I think about it.
DE: (+) only due to a more seasoned Harold. I'm not really sold on Childs. Zero depth even with Abana back (which, again, not really sold on).
DT: (+) only due to the addition of Fitz (non-lemon) no one at either DE or DT except for Harold has really consisently shown anything. We're hoping Fitz is as advertised.
LB: (-) no explanation needed.
DB: (push) no depth, not that much talent, want to believe in Emmanuel (anyone remember that porn that used to be on Cinemax entitled Emmanuellle? It was like late 70's porn, lots of bush) but I've been hurt by the pre-season hype before.
special teams: (+) punter on the field for all punting situations will be a nice start. apparently that Doerr guy is super spectacular awesome.
How could the LBs be any worse?
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How could the LBs be any worse?
remember after '07 when we were all like "how can this defense be any worse" and like, they were.
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QB - Worse: Say what you will about Freeman we would be better with him on the team this year. Though Snyder's offenses mold to most any type of QB so that could help ease the pain a little.
RB - Better: to quote catzacker "just the addition of thomas and hubert makes his a +. basically having anyone not named dold or valentine would have made this a +."
WR - Better: Same guys, more experience. I see our WR's being utilized quite well this season a playmakers.(If we can run the ball worth a damn)
TE - Better: Mastrud is pretty damn good and everyone else is back too with another year of experience. Will be interesting how they run block.
OL - Worse/Push: Losing best lineman on a crappy line isn't going to help matters. No one else has proven anything.
DL - Better: Harold will be even better than last year, and we add Fitzgerald who seems legit.
LB - Push/better: Unfortunately they will still be bad. Just making the routine plays is all I'm hoping for because we couldn't even do that last year.
DB - Better: Another year of Moore & Co. more experience.
Really, outside of a few additions and the obvious drop at QB this team is a mystery. They should be better because they have another year under their belts. They should be better(especially on defense) because their coaches are better. We're just going to wait and see.
BTW, Catmatt I agree with you I'm thinking 1991 type season. Probably left out of the bowls again.
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How could the LBs be any worse?
remember after '07 when we were all like "how can this defense be any worse" and like, they were.
A bit different of a situation here. The only guy on the final 2-deep we lost was Olu. Everyone now has more experience, and (what would appear to be) superior coaching. Don't think I'm getting all tardy here and trying to say those kids are all of a sudden going to turn into a typical Ohio State LB crew, but it certainly would be reasonable to expect at least some improvement from last year.
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How could the LBs be any worse?
remember after '07 when we were all like "how can this defense be any worse" and like, they were.
HAHA. YUP.
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How could the LBs be any worse?
remember after '07 when we were all like "how can this defense be any worse" and like, they were.
A bit different of a situation here. The only guy on the final 2-deep we lost was Olu. Everyone now has more experience, and (what would appear to be) superior coaching. Don't think I'm getting all tardy here and trying to say those kids are all of a sudden going to turn into a typical Ohio State LB crew, but it certainly would be reasonable to expect at least some improvement from last year.
reg walker? :confused:
also, we have a bunch of lazy lber's. good chance they get worsier.
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How could the LBs be any worse?
remember after '07 when we were all like "how can this defense be any worse" and like, they were.
A bit different of a situation here. The only guy on the final 2-deep we lost was Olu. Everyone now has more experience, and (what would appear to be) superior coaching. Don't think I'm getting all tardy here and trying to say those kids are all of a sudden going to turn into a typical Ohio State LB crew, but it certainly would be reasonable to expect at least some improvement from last year.
reg walker? :confused:
also, we have a bunch of lazy lber's. good chance they get worsier.
My mistake, I totally skipped over one of the OLB spots. We also lost Reggie and A Moore. Mea culpa. I guess we can only hope some of that laziness is ran out of those SOBs.
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I guess, the way I look at it is like this: Do I think this year's team would beat last year's team head-to-head? I feel pretty certain it would. Now, that certainly doesn't mean I think this year's squad is going to have much more success in terms of wins and losses than last year's, but I do think that we will at least be improving. Maybe not as dramatically as I would like, but progressing nonetheless. If we're able to bring in a decent recruiting class for 2010, coupled with some of the recent additions to the team, I think 2010 could be a fairly enjoyable year to be a Cat fan. :hope:
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I guess, the way I look at it is like this: Do I think this year's team would beat last year's team head-to-head? I feel pretty certain it would. Now, that certainly doesn't mean I think this year's squad is going to have much more success in terms of wins and losses than last year's, but I do think that we will at least be improving. Maybe not as dramatically as I would like, but progressing nonetheless. If we're able to bring in a decent recruiting class for 2010, coupled with some of the recent additions to the team, I think 2010 could be a fairly enjoyable year to be a Cat fan. :hope:
we may be totally underestimating freem's.
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I guess, the way I look at it is like this: Do I think this year's team would beat last year's team head-to-head? I feel pretty certain it would. Now, that certainly doesn't mean I think this year's squad is going to have much more success in terms of wins and losses than last year's, but I do think that we will at least be improving. Maybe not as dramatically as I would like, but progressing nonetheless. If we're able to bring in a decent recruiting class for 2010, coupled with some of the recent additions to the team, I think 2010 could be a fairly enjoyable year to be a Cat fan. :hope:
we may be totally underestimating freem's.
Dude did put up pretty silly numbers with a pathetic supporting cast. I mean, the dude had one decent receiver to throw to and he was the size of an eighth grader, no real running game to speak of, and a patchwork line made up of TE sized blockers. Alot has been made of his tendency to turn the ball over, but so did most of the QBs who lead us during the DoD. (Beasley didn't have too many TOs, but he wasn't nearly as explosive as Bish, Ell, May, etc.) Freems was a first rounder for more reasons than his measureables. I really doubt a first year coach would stake so much of his livelihood on a guy (he had previously coached) unless he was fairly confident he could be an impact player in the league at some point.
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OK, I am not a X's and O's type expert but I can offer a few observations;
QB Freeman was good but he was really the only bullet in our offensive gun last year. He tended to force the issue against tougher defenses and this led to too many turnovers. With a QB less prone to force the issue we will see reduced output against weaker opponents but also less turnovers and mistake against stronger defenses. Overall this will will help us win a close gaome or two.
RB Hey can it really be worse? Again bettre disipline with the run pass balance will open up a better running game.
OL Its a wash. Freeman was good at avoiding tackles and standing up to a strong rush. I see more sacks against this unit but better offensive performance in that they will turn the ball over less.
WR Prince tended to find a player or two he liked and go with them a lot. Snyder will spread it around more. Look for a surprise in the number of catches by Lamark as he gets open by teams trying to hold down Banks.
Defense
We lacked fundemental skills of positioning and tackling form the last three years. We will be markedly improved. The linebackers under Snyder have always excelled. You will be surprised by the improvement.
Having said this I do not think the atheltiism is there to avoid getting burned by the big pass play from time to time. If the defensive line steps up and gets pressure on the QBs this could be a decent defense.
Overall I think the defensive players are much better than they showed last year. Really 117th out of 119 teams? Are our guys really that bad? They just were not coached very well at all the last two years. :kstatriot:
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Fewer honkey lipped LBs wouldn't hurt...if that's how it turns out.
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ok, just wanted to chime in and say ksu fans are morons if they think ksu will be any better this year.
thanks.
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ok, just wanted to chime in and say ksu fans are morons if they think ksu will be any better this year.
thanks.
Too much BLUE in your water up there.
You need more emaw
:kstatriot:
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ok, just wanted to chime in and say ksu fans are morons if they think ksu will be any better this year.
thanks.
QFT.
Pretty disgusted with the "coach 'em up" talk. :bs:
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ok, just wanted to chime in and say ksu fans are morons if they think ksu will be any better this year.
thanks.
QFT.
Pretty disgusted with the "coach 'em up" talk.
Why? 2004-2005 Snyder years? You feel that coaching has no part in the success of a football team? You feel the current coaches are poorer than Prince and company? I am not saying we are going to win the NC, Big XII or even the north. I am saying we should be fundamentally better at football. That is not a big stretch.
Also you are too close to crimson soonerville in OKC. You also need more emaw! :ksu:
:kstatriot:
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Will we really miss the pro qb type player?
i doubt it.
Dual threat will fit our style better.
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curious tulsa cat the coaches that are returning to the program, do you think they have also been "coached up" since leaving here? EMAW
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curious tulsa cat the coaches that are returning to the program, do you think they have also been "coached up" since leaving here? EMAW
Long answer to a short question that probable did not expect and answer. I originally typed “get fracked” but decided that was not really adding anything to the argument. I wrote this long winded reply instead…..
The decline in 2004-2005 was not totally unexpected by me. I was not, however, expecting Snyder to retire. I was hoping the assistants would be changed and the recruiting updated. The Prince experiment to bring young blood and vitality into the program failed for a variety of reasons the most blatant of which was Princes ego and failure to understand K-States unique problems and his own weaknesses. He drove off anyone who did not agree with his methods without first examining if perhaps they were right and he was wrong. All of this culminated is discourse, confusion, paranoia and dissention in the team leading to a lack of direction, lack of leadership and a lack of winning.
I think (I hope) the coaches have learned from their mistakes. I see most of the failure in 2004-2005 coming from a combination of apathy on the part of the players expecting to be good without working hard, apathy from the coaches expecting to be good without working hard, tiredness from Snyder from pushing so hard and finally getting some success with a Big XII championship. I think this combined with a natural decline in recruiting success (all programs have it to some degree or less) and a change in fundamental recruiting methods, and a change in the Big XII offensive sets caused a lack of winning which led to a decline in confidence which led to more losing.
What Snyder and company have going for them is they understand how to win. They do not expect that they know how to win but can adapt and use what they have. As to whether the “Coaches have been coached up”, This I feel is an inane comment and bears little comment. I assume what your are referring to is that the current coaches did little to inspire a wining record in 2004-2005. I hope you are not saying that coaching plays no effect on winning at college football.
We all would like to have seen more dynamic younger coaches brought in to help. Could we have done better than Snyder? I doubt it with the university leadership and athletic department as screwed up as it was. I would have liked different coaches that were proven winners. I was hoping to get Patterson, or Meyer, or the next Bob Stoops, or next Bear Bryant to come to Manhattan. The reality is things were more messed up in the program than any of us realized. The entire athletic department was fracked and that kept any serious candidates from being considered. (you can decide whether this was because of the frackers or frackees or potential coaches). That is why Snyder came back. He was a constant that understood K-state and could be working while the athletic department crumbled and was rebuilt around him. Snyder brought in people that he knew and trusted. They are not the best in all of football. But we know their strengths and weaknesses.
This is very long way to say that I trust these coaches more than the last set of coaches. Will they get us to 11 wins? I don’t know. Is it better than Prince? Yes! Do I expect a better team than last year? Yes. Will they win more? Damn I hope so. Thing is you have to stay positive at this point in the season. It more fun that way.
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Think 2004-2005 except with worse players. :kstatriot: