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Title: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 02, 2009, 03:46:02 PM
Classic.

71% of the "organic shoppers" got the organic and non-organic food wrong in the taste test . . . some of those people are freaks.

The vast majority of "organic food" companies are owned by major food corps, 20% comes from China, what a complete screw job.

Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: yoga-lika_abana on August 02, 2009, 03:47:19 PM
I love that show.
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 02, 2009, 03:49:45 PM
I am seriously laughing at all the "earth children" and their "oh, oh, I go organic, I am so much better than you" . . . the one "raw lady" who ranted and raved how much better the organic banana tasted compared to the non organic, only to be told it was the same banana . . . LOL.

Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: hemmy on August 02, 2009, 04:22:30 PM
I love that show.

QFT.

Have seasons 1-6.  Haven't seen 1 episode from S7 unfortunately  :frown:

Season 3 was probably my favorite.
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: Pike on August 02, 2009, 05:12:12 PM
I am seriously laughing at all the "earth children" and their "oh, oh, I go organic, I am so much better than you" . . . the one "raw lady" who ranted and raved how much better the organic banana tasted compared to the non organic, only to be told it was the same banana . . . LOL.



This is why organic foods piss me off. Very smug, elitist, etc...

I don't see why any farmer would grow organic

Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: michigancat on August 02, 2009, 06:04:15 PM
I don't see why any farmer would grow organic

Because they can sell it at a huge premium?

:dunno:
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: Pike on August 02, 2009, 06:09:16 PM
I don't see why any farmer would grow organic

Because they can sell it at a huge premium?

:dunno:

Yeah but with lower yields due to not being allowed to use fungicides, herbicides, pesticides and God forbid fertilizer.
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: Pike on August 02, 2009, 06:13:59 PM
Not to mention switching to organic is a huge pain in the ass
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: michigancat on August 02, 2009, 06:17:12 PM
Not to mention switching to organic is a huge pain in the ass

jesus, what a lazy ass farmer.  "waaaah, organic is hard".  enjoy your government handout, loser.
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: Saulbadguy on August 02, 2009, 06:28:15 PM
I think the big deal is not so much the taste, but the choice to go w/o pesticides, hormones, etc.

I certainly can not tell the difference between organic and non-organic.
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: chum1 on August 02, 2009, 06:33:55 PM
I think the big deal is not so much the taste, but the choice to go w/o pesticides, hormones, etc.

Good call.  I like P&T, but they make fallacious arguments all the time.  Why choose to talk to lunatics on a purely tangential topic?
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: Pike on August 02, 2009, 06:44:52 PM
Not to mention switching to organic is a huge pain in the ass

jesus, what a lazy ass farmer.  "waaaah, organic is hard".  enjoy your government handout, loser.

You have to let your field sit there for like 3 years without using any chemicals and then get it "certified" to grow your organic crap which is harder to grow and yields less. That's why a vast majority of food grown is non-organic...the free market says it's not economical and thus a stupid thing to do.
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: ew2x4 on August 02, 2009, 06:45:10 PM
I'd only choose organic to support local farmers if it is labeled as such.
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: willie83 on August 02, 2009, 07:20:47 PM
Organic produce is a huge scam. Unless you grow it yourself, you have no way of knowing how your "certified organic" apple was grown. I don't trust those carney looking dudes at the farmer's market.
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: michigancat on August 02, 2009, 07:58:10 PM
That's why a vast majority of food grown is non-organic...the free market says it's not economical and thus a stupid thing to do.

Actually, the organic food industry is a great example of the free market working perfectly - goods that are more difficult to produce are sold at a premium to people who see added value (whether the value is real or perceived is irrelevant).  If it can be produced in China at a fair price, people will buy it from China.  No one is trying to say all food should be organic, or suggesting to anyone that they should have to buy it.  It is simply the free market at work. 

I really don't understand why neocons have been jerking off to the little penn & teller sketch.
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: Pike on August 02, 2009, 08:01:56 PM
That's why a vast majority of food grown is non-organic...the free market says it's not economical and thus a stupid thing to do.

Actually, the organic food industry is a great example of the free market working perfectly - goods that are more difficult to produce are sold at a premium to people who see added value (whether the value is real or perceived is irrelevant).  If it can be produced in China at a fair price, people will buy it from China.  No one is trying to say all food should be organic, or suggesting to anyone that they should have to buy it.  It is simply the free market at work. 

I really don't understand why neocons have been jerking off to the little penn & teller sketch.

Ok so we agree to agree.
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 02, 2009, 08:28:15 PM
Whole Foods is awesome if you want to use a corncob for a tampon.  (slucat can confirm?)
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: Saulbadguy on August 02, 2009, 09:17:19 PM
That's why a vast majority of food grown is non-organic...the free market says it's not economical and thus a stupid thing to do.
I really don't understand why neocons have been jerking off to the little penn & teller sketch.
same reason they don't like twitter.
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 02, 2009, 09:27:28 PM
LOL at cRusty . . . love the leap of logic . . . if you agree with Penn and Teller's "sketch" you're a Neo-Con.  

The vast majority of "organic" food is grown by companies owned by food mega-corps.  

Hey, if you like "organic" food, knock yourself out, enjoy paying the premium prices for food that at is core is no better for you than the "evil" genetically altered pesticide food.   The outcomes of any type of "mass" organic farming is far more energy consumption per pound of food produced, and the fertilizer "source" for organic food produces copious amounts of the dreaded "greenhouse gases".  

Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: hemmy on August 02, 2009, 09:31:06 PM
I think the big deal is not so much the taste, but the choice to go w/o pesticides, hormones, etc.

Good call.  I like P&T, but they make fallacious arguments all the time.  Why choose to talk to lunatics on a purely tangential topic?


Because half of the point of the show is to make fun of the nut jobs.
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 02, 2009, 11:11:18 PM
Seriously, though, Whole Foods is wicked lame, and their toothpaste is totally  :blindfold: .   But that's just imHo.
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: michigancat on August 03, 2009, 06:18:36 AM
LOL at cRusty . . . love the leap of logic . . . if you agree with Penn and Teller's "sketch" you're a Neo-Con.   

No, I said NeoCons happen to be jerking off to it.  I'm sure there are other groups of people are jerking to it, but this just has the feeling of a drudge link or Rush discussion.

:dunno:
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: kougar24 on August 03, 2009, 03:45:51 PM
Is the government subsidizing organic food? If not, I fail to see how hippies buying expensive food goes against the free market.
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: Kat Kid on August 03, 2009, 03:52:48 PM
Is the government subsidizing organic food? If not, I fail to see how hippies buying expensive food goes against the free market.

probably.  pretty much give money to everything.
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: michigancat on August 03, 2009, 03:55:23 PM
Is the government subsidizing organic food? If not, I fail to see how hippies buying expensive food goes against the free market.

probably.  pretty much give money to everything.

yeah, the gov't. subsidizes all food production.  not sure organic is subsidized any differently though.
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: kougar24 on August 03, 2009, 04:01:34 PM
Is the government subsidizing organic food? If not, I fail to see how hippies buying expensive food goes against the free market.

probably.  pretty much give money to everything.

yeah, the gov't. subsidizes all food production.  not sure organic is subsidized any differently though.

I should have specified. Is organic food production being given special treatment by the gov't?
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: michigancat on August 03, 2009, 04:08:56 PM
Is the government subsidizing organic food? If not, I fail to see how hippies buying expensive food goes against the free market.

probably.  pretty much give money to everything.

yeah, the gov't. subsidizes all food production.  not sure organic is subsidized any differently though.

I should have specified. Is organic food production being given special treatment by the gov't?

hmmm....


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Sales of organic foods have grown at an annual rate of 20 percent or more since 1990, making organic farming one of the fastest growing segments of U.S. agriculture.  This rapid growth is all the more impressive because, unlike conventional agriculture, organic farming is not heavily subsidized by taxpayers' dollars. The rise of organic agriculture is consumer-driven, not subsidy driven, and indeed organic farmers market their food directly to consumers much more frequently than conventional farmers.

http://www.iscowp.org/Articles/Vol15%20I%203%20The%20Future%20Belongs%20to%20Organic%20Gardening.htm

^granted, this is from the "international society of cow protection"  <- :lol:
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: doom on August 03, 2009, 11:44:37 PM
I saw them at the Rio over Spring Break.  Good times. 
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: kougar24 on August 04, 2009, 10:27:26 AM
^granted, this is from the "international society of cow protection"  <- :lol:

LOL
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: Kat Kid on August 04, 2009, 12:35:35 PM
Listen guys.  Garth effing Gardiner has the USDA cut him a check every year.  Feel safer and happier knowing that.
Title: Re: Anybody seen Penn and Teller's "Bull$hit" about Organic Food??
Post by: GoldbrickGangBoss on August 04, 2009, 09:32:30 PM
I'm not an 'organic shopper'.

That said, Penn and Teller's show is itself just a vehicle for them to (annoyingly and loudly) push their own ideological 'bull$hit'.

Take what they say and the 'research' they give with a grain of salt.