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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: opcat on July 29, 2009, 06:49:25 PM
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Said Snyder doesn't want a guy that throws the ball. Said we don't have the talent to just line up and throw the ball with 6'6" qb. And that to throw the ball we need OU and Texas type talent. Wha?
He said Snyder just wants the running quarterbacks and that it must be bugging him he has to play Carson because of thats who the previous staff left behind.
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qft keitz
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Said Snyder doesn't want a guy that throws the ball. Said we don't have the talent to just line up and throw the ball with 6'6" qb. And that to throw the ball we need OU and Texas type talent. Wha?
He said Snyder just wants the running quarterbacks and that it must be bugging him he has to play Carson because of thats who the previous staff left behind.
Do you blame him? I am sure Carson would be a decent back up QB on a team with the Pro-Style offense. Snyder is going to have to work with what he was given until reinforcements (Thomas?) arrive...
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Said Snyder doesn't want a guy that throws the ball. Said we don't have the talent to just line up and throw the ball with 6'6" qb. And that to throw the ball we need OU and Texas type talent. Wha?
He said Snyder just wants the running quarterbacks and that it must be bugging him he has to play Carson because of thats who the previous staff left behind.
Do you blame him? I am sure Carson would be a decent back up QB on a team with the Pro-Style offense. Snyder is going to have to work with what he was given until reinforcements (Thomas? Harper) arrives...
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Said Snyder doesn't want a guy that throws the ball. Said we don't have the talent to just line up and throw the ball with 6'6" qb. And that to throw the ball we need OU and Texas type talent. Wha?
He said Snyder just wants the running quarterbacks and that it must be bugging him he has to play Carson because of thats who the previous staff left behind.
Do you blame him? I am sure Carson would be a decent back up QB on a team with the Pro-Style offense. Snyder is going to have to work with what he was given until reinforcements (Thomas? Harper) arrives...
I'm talkin this year... he's just pimpin coffman right now because that is all we have seen from what we had... I really believe Daniel Thomas is the man for the job...
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I haven't decided yet whether to rate Carson above or below Adam Helm.
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Bet the powertards are havin a hissy fit
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Can't believe we have 3 white QBs. Ridiculous.
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Can't believe we have 3 4 white QBs. Ridiculous.
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Can't believe we have 3 4 5 white QBs. Ridiculous.
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Can't believe we have 3 4 5 sucky white QBs. Ridiculous.
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Said Snyder doesn't want a guy that throws the ball. Said we don't have the talent to just line up and throw the ball with 6'6" qb. And that to throw the ball we need OU and Texas type talent. Wha?
He said Snyder just wants the running quarterbacks and that it must be bugging him he has to play Carson because of thats who the previous staff left behind.
Do you blame him? I am sure Carson would be a decent back up QB on a team with the Pro-Style offense. Snyder is going to have to work with what he was given until reinforcements (Thomas? Harper Newton ) arrives...
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Do you blame him? I am sure Carson would be a decent back up QB on a team with the Pro-Style offense. Snyder is going to have to work with what he was given until reinforcements (Thomas? Harper Newton ) arrives...
Yes! Cam Newton indeed. We can all take solace in the fact that Coffman can't possibly be more inept against or biggest rivals (aside from the Longhorns, who need to win a little more often if they want to keep calling it a rivalry) than Freemaw was.
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KK may be right here... Doesn't change the fact that he is the worst host on 810.
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Calling Coffman the 2nd coming of Chad May doesn't seem like a "slam" IMHO. :kstatriot:
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Thomas won't be QB. Why would they put him in a position that he definitely won't be next year? Especially when we need a RB.
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Calling Coffman the 2nd coming of Chad May doesn't seem like a "slam" IMHO. :kstatriot:
That's interesting, because I remember going into 1993 and all the Cat fans I knew saying we were going to suck because Jason Smargiasso had quit the team and all we had was some juco transfer kid named Chad.
Not saying Coffman will be Chad; just saying let's see what he can do as a starter against actual competition (albeit mediocre at the outset) before standing on the curb with Keitzman and getting our kicks in as he throws Carson under the bus.
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I do laugh at little . . . . I guess some of you guys are too young to remember Snyder's offense in the early years. Because while it lined
We are recruiting Billy Cosh, and while he's mobile he's no Bishop, and frankly no Jon Beasley . . . but I have a hunch it won't matter because I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't look out there in the coming years and see a QB and a hybrid QB/RB lined up in the backfield at the same time. OB loves him that Urban Meyer/Houston Nutt Wildcat style offense . . . why do you think OB wanted the Utah DC, and the Utah OL coach.
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I do laugh at little . . . . I guess some of you guys are too young to remember Snyder's offense in the early years. Because while it lined
We are recruiting Billy Cosh, and while he's mobile he's no Bishop, and frankly no Jon Beasley . . . but I have a hunch it won't matter because I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't look out there in the coming years and see a QB and a hybrid QB/RB lined up in the backfield at the same time. OB loves him that Urban Meyer/Houston Nutt Wildcat style offense . . . why do you think OB wanted the Utah DC, and the Utah OL coach.
I have been thinking the same thing.
However, we have no evidence of this.......YET.
Until I see it with my own eyes, I'll continue to assume that Snyder will work under the same offense that he used since 1997. He's had two, TWO, offensive strategies in his time at KSU. He has NOT proved to be some master adapter or some such crap. Coffman may be great...who knows? But, we have a lot of history to suggest that he'll blow his shoulder out on a QB draw before the conference season starts.
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I don't think there's any question that Thomas will be taking snaps at times. He should be very adapt at running the wildcat formation, and since he's played quarterback before, the defenses have to respect the chance that he'll throw the ball instead of run it.
That could get even more complex if you see Coffman and Thomas in the backfield at the same time. Defenses have to worry about the run or the pass every single play, even if it's designed as a pass play or a run play, it could easily turn into the other based on how the defense reacts. Coffman will be a better passing threat but with some ability to run. Thomas will be a better running threat but with some ability to pass. I like the possibilities. I just hope that Snyder is willing to experiment a little more than he did in the years leading up to retirement.
Frankly, I'll be disappointed if Thomas lines up at receiver.
I'm not so worried about the quarterback position. If Carson can just avoid turning the ball over, and make some key third down passes, that's all we'll need from him. We don't need him to be a huge playmaker, just play the position well enough to move the chains without turning it over. I wouldn't be opposed to starting one of our younger quarterbacks and grooming him for the future though, and taking our lumps in the learning process. I don't think there would be much of a drop off if Carson was replaced by someone like Klein, who is probably more physically gifted and just lacks the experience.
Two Cents
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I agree Pete . . . it all may be nothing but talk, and we'll see QB run right, QB run left, option to the short side all day long . . . punt.
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Keitzman and those agreeing with him are embarrassing themselves.
First, I'm not sure why it matters whether our QB is white. Besides being slightly racist, you are overlooking the fact that the changeover from Snyder's big-arm gunslinger offense (Watson, Straw, May) to the option offense (Ell, Bishop) occurred while Matt Miller was QB. Miller was pretty nimble. (And, did we win more in 1998 than in 1995 because of the change in offense, or because of the all-around higher talent level throughout the team? I'd say it's probably the talent.)
Also, you're apparently forgetting that Snyder (and Bobby Stoops at OU) won in their early years with passing offenses rather than running offenses. Snyder knows how to run different types of offenses effectively. (Or, he certainly knew this at one time.)
OTOH, if it turns out Carson is simply a bad QB for any style, then this is a fatal problem for the season. But, I guess I don't know that this fact has been established.
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I do laugh at little . . . . I guess some of you guys are too young to remember Snyder's offense in the early years. Because while it lined
We are recruiting Billy Cosh, and while he's mobile he's no Bishop, and frankly no Jon Beasley . . . but I have a hunch it won't matter because I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't look out there in the coming years and see a QB and a hybrid QB/RB lined up in the backfield at the same time. OB loves him that Urban Meyer/Houston Nutt Wildcat style offense . . . why do you think OB wanted the Utah DC, and the Utah OL coach.
We will have the people to run this if that is what he wants to do. Daniel Thomas fits this mold to a T and after him Harper fits the mold of a guy who could play that Hybird roll. I'm pretty sure the next step in college football is for a team to have two QB's on the field at the same time and maybe Snyder is wanting to do that. He's even talked about this as couple of times in interviews that he thinks we'll see this coming in college football.
I don't see either Thomas or Harper as pure QB's but both are capable of playing WR, RB, and some QB. You can line them up anywhere and always have the threat of them motioning to the QB spot or the threat of lateraling them the ball and giving them the option to run or throw. In your normal offense they have enough skills to be credible threats as RB's or as WR's down the field. Maybe it is just a coincidence but I find it interesting that we'll have two athletic guys 6'2" 225 that have played QB, RB, and WR in their careers.
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What would a 2 QB system be like? Option passes, pitch to bootleg passes, lots of fleaflickers? Fake option jailbreak screen! Lord, that offense would be a killer to learn.
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I dunno, we had a white QB start the last 3 years and he was ok. :dunno:
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More concerned about RB than QB.
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More concerned about RB than QB.
Agree, although I'm hoping DThomas can fill the role nicely. In fact, QB is fairly low on the list of concerns. I think that Coffman can at least play "adequate". There are several positions where I'm definitely concerned that we'll be well below adequate.
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Franking Ludwig. :bs:
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Keitzman and those agreeing with him are embarrassing themselves.
First, I'm not sure why it matters whether our QB is white. Besides being slightly racist, you are overlooking the fact that the changeover from Snyder's big-arm gunslinger offense (Watson, Straw, May) to the option offense (Ell, Bishop) occurred while Matt Miller was QB. Miller was pretty nimble. (And, did we win more in 1998 than in 1995 because of the change in offense, or because of the all-around higher talent level throughout the team? I'd say it's probably the talent.)
Also, you're apparently forgetting that Snyder (and Bobby Stoops at OU) won in their early years with passing offenses rather than running offenses. Snyder knows how to run different types of offenses effectively. (Or, he certainly knew this at one time.)
OTOH, if it turns out Carson is simply a bad QB for any style, then this is a fatal problem for the season. But, I guess I don't know that this fact has been established.
It's not so much the QB, but what Bill will try to do with that QB. Carson can't run? Fine. Then don't play call as such.
Frankly, it won't matter because our OL sucks something terrible, which is why I'd rather have an incredible athlete back there rather than coffman. Because crap is going to break down left and right and I'd rather have someone who can make a play then a guy who's going to audible into an option to the short side of the field.
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I think the "dream" scenario is to have D. Thomas become the D. McFadden of this offense.
McFadden Lite? :pray:
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I think the funny part about all this is that some people are assuming Coffman would be good in a passing offense.
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More concerned about RB than QB.
Between Hubert and Thomas, I'm confident we'll be alright at RB, atleast in the long run. We'll just suck every where else.
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What worries me the most, regardless of which QB(s) will be taking the field, is that we are taking on a new offensive approach, pushing it on a group of kids who likely don't fit that mold or style of play, and expecting improvement over last year. While Snyder has demonstrated his ability to get players to play above their individual levels of talent, there are going to be constraints on that approach, especially this season.
My biggest concern is that we will not be successful as we'll be starting 1st down and 15 at least 6 times a game due to delay of game penalties.
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Who's expecting improvement on offense over last year?
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Can't believe we have 3 white QBs. Ridiculous.
Dumb, racist cracker!
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This old thread got me thinking:
1.) We're really, really fracked if Coffman is starting for us at QB this year.
2.) I'm a genius per my Thomas=McFadden lite comparison. Hope the guy gets more Wildcat plays next year. :combofan:
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I don't think there's any question that Thomas will be taking snaps at times. He should be very adapt at running the wildcat formation, and since he's played quarterback before, the defenses have to respect the chance that he'll throw the ball instead of run it.
That could get even more complex if you see Coffman and Thomas in the backfield at the same time. Defenses have to worry about the run or the pass every single play, even if it's designed as a pass play or a run play, it could easily turn into the other based on how the defense reacts. Coffman will be a better passing threat but with some ability to run. Thomas will be a better running threat but with some ability to pass. I like the possibilities. I just hope that Snyder is willing to experiment a little more than he did in the years leading up to retirement.
Frankly, I'll be disappointed if Thomas lines up at receiver.
I'm not so worried about the quarterback position. If Carson can just avoid turning the ball over, and make some key third down passes, that's all we'll need from him. We don't need him to be a huge playmaker, just play the position well enough to move the chains without turning it over. I wouldn't be opposed to starting one of our younger quarterbacks and grooming him for the future though, and taking our lumps in the learning process. I don't think there would be much of a drop off if Carson was replaced by someone like Klein, who is probably more physically gifted and just lacks the experience.
Two Cents
Who plays QB is not as important as who is on the O-line. Some of our guys who "suck" would look like Joe Montana if they had enough time, and a good O-line is the only way to make that happen.
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I do laugh at little . . . . I guess some of you guys are too young to remember Snyder's offense in the early years. Because while it lined
We are recruiting Billy Cosh, and while he's mobile he's no Bishop, and frankly no Jon Beasley . . . but I have a hunch it won't matter because I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't look out there in the coming years and see a QB and a hybrid QB/RB lined up in the backfield at the same time. OB loves him that Urban Meyer/Houston Nutt Wildcat style offense . . . why do you think OB wanted the Utah DC, and the Utah OL coach.
Talk about laughing a little, this is a bit like saying Bill Belichek just loves those Romeo Crennel style defenses. He11 Snyder revised and implemented the offensive concepts from Pop Warner and Walter Camp. He's got a system and he's looking for folks that fit that system, there will be some time necessary to find those folks....don't be surprised if he changes the system again. He altered from a pass-oriented offense because of the inability to draw the best talent to KSU...lo and behold....everyone copied what he was doing and now he'll have to figure out a new method to draw good enough talent to make the offense work. The reason he had time the first time around was not becasue of the O, it was because we had a phenomenal D
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I haven't decided yet whether to rate Carson above or below Adam Helm.
below dude. c'mon.