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Title: Interesting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 28, 2009, 06:39:24 PM: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college/2009/07/how-much-revenue-did-your-favorite-fbs-school-take-in-in-200708-this-chart-will-tell-you.html

Just a note on fellow Land Grant School NC State, they don't count scholarship, endowment and facilities giving as revenue . . . that is all handled by the Wolfpack Club and those numbers would not appear on NC State's athletic financial statements . . . if they did, you could increase NC State by about $15-$20 million. Some schools also count one time "restricted" endowment giving as "revenue" . . . like a certain school in the Big 12 for example.
Title: Re: Interesting
Post by: kcchiefdav on July 28, 2009, 07:07:25 PM: Is the interesting part coming in a later post?
Title: Re: Interesting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 28, 2009, 07:47:07 PM: Sure is . . . forgot to mention a certain Big 12 School also counts $3 million in fees taken from students as "revenue".
Title: Re: Interesting
Post by: BMWJhawk on July 28, 2009, 09:37:38 PM: Why can't you just admit that ku has more money and financial resources than K-State, 'Pad?

:flush:
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Post by: JTKSU on July 28, 2009, 09:39:14 PM: Great, it looks like BMW took Dax's bait. Let the slap fight commence.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 28, 2009, 10:07:57 PM: Ben . . . never have said ku didn't, but I still LOL at how tardville clings to the Equity in Athletics numbers like they're gospel.

Still think it's pretty sad that an athletic department showing those kinds of revenues (albeit it is a bit of fun with numbers) that takes $3 million a year in compulsory fees from the students (voted on in what we all know are sham "student body" elections where about 1/4 to 1/5 of the student body even votes), who just got hit with another tuition increase, at a school that's cutting budgets right and left, has a $200 million dollar maintenance backlog, the endowment is down 25% and academic scholarships are likely going to be cut.

But at every turn Lew sends Jim Macaroni out to play the old "tin cup" routine . . . "it's the entire school's job to make sure we stay Title 9 compliant . . . we can't afford to supplement faculty staff tickets . . . did you see that bonus Lew just got?"

Then to top it all off they're renovating Jayhawk Towers so ku athletics can "impress" athletes . . . with bond money that will be paid off with housing revenues derived from ALL ku on campus housing residence . . . so emo boy over in one of the dumps who doesn't care about athletics is helping to pay for a nice place for Sherron Collins to rub his unit all over some poor minimum wage ku staffer.

It's getting to be like what an old President at ou said . . . "we want a university the football team can be proud of".

Sad . . .
Title: Re: Interesting
Post by: MCSjayhawk on July 28, 2009, 10:17:03 PM: Quote from: sonofdaxjones on July 28, 2009, 10:07:57 PM
Ben . . . never have said ku didn't, but I still LOL at how tardville clings to the Equity in Athletics numbers like they're gospel.

Still think it's pretty sad that an athletic department showing those kinds of revenues (albeit it is a bit of fun with numbers) that takes $3 million a year in compulsory fees from the students (voted on in what we all know are sham "student body" elections where about 1/4 to 1/5 of the student body even votes), who just got hit with another tuition increase, at a school that's cutting budgets right and left, has a $200 million dollar maintenance backlog, the endowment is down 25% and academic scholarships are likely going to be cut.

But at every turn Lew sends Jim Macaroni out to play the old "tin cup" routine . . . "it's the entire school's job to make sure we stay Title 9 compliant . . . we can't afford to supplement faculty staff tickets . . . did you see that bonus Lew just got?"

Then to top it all off they're renovating Jayhawk Towers so ku athletics can "impress" athletes . . . with bond money that will be paid off with housing revenues derived from ALL ku on campus housing residence . . . so emo boy over in one of the dumps who doesn't care about athletics is helping to pay for a nice place for Sherron Collins to rub his unit all over some poor minimum wage ku staffer.

It's getting to be like what an old President at ou said . . . "we want a university the football team can be proud of".

Sad . . .

Irony at its best....
Title: Re: Interesting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 28, 2009, 10:28:48 PM: The thing with the K-State situation . . . is that the vast majority of K-State people are appalled and disgusted by some of the disclosures, albeit some of it is way overblown, like Bill Snyder getting you know, paid what he was actually owed (and hey they found out they still owed Snyder a bunch of money) . . . but the secret deals and such has K-State people disgusted and angry.

But on the flip side K-State students aren't handing over $3 million a year in compulsory fees to the athletic department, and on campus housing residents aren't paying fees that will be used to pay off bonds used to renovate housing that exists primarily for athletes . . . there's a reason why Lew hawked that little deal all the way through the Regents and the Legislature.

K-State situation has people pissed off and angry . . . Tardville just sits back and applauds Lew's multi-million dollar shakedown of the main campus. (seriously . . . sending the AD henchmen over to get Hemmenway to threaten a veto of any SGA change in the compulsory athletic fees, so the SGA had to cut student related programs??) Hey nice work on those football practice fields . . . chewed up big chunks of prime parking, and the football coach doesn't even want to use them because everybody and their dog can watch what's going on.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 28, 2009, 11:38:27 PM: I believe mu is also an athletic department that doesn't treat athletic endowment and facilities giving as "revenue" . . . the $38 million they received in just 2 donations a few years ago was in no way reflected in their equity-in-athletics statement.

They're putting in a huge new videoboard . . . at ku they put that project on hold. They renovated all their football stadium restrooms and concessions . . . at ku they're still pretty $hitty on the upper levels . . . they built a sports park years ago . . . at ku it's still on the drawing boards and has been for 3.5 years . . . they built a $78 million dollar basketball arena . . . hell the women play in Hearne's arena which is as nice as you'll find anywhere, they have a dedicated indoor facility for football . . . they spent $17 million expanding their football offices and weightroom . . . amazing they don't perform better . . . but I see Tardville still thinks they're "poor".
Title: Re: Interesting
Post by: BMWJhawk on July 29, 2009, 12:52:28 AM: This list has really gotten 'Pad :curse:

Rank School Total Revenue Conference
1st Texas $120,288,370 Big 12
2nd Ohio State $117,953,712 Big Ten
3rd Florida $106,030,895 Southeastern Conference
4th Michigan $99,027,105 Big Ten
5th Wisconsin $93,452,334 Big Ten
6th Penn State $91,570,233 Big Ten
7th Auburn $89,305,326 Southeastern Conference
8th Alabama $88,869,810 Southeastern Conference
9th Tennessee $88,719,798 Southeastern Conference
10th Oklahoma State $88,554,438 Big 12
11th Kansas $86,009,257 Big 12
12th Louisiana State $84,183,362 Southeastern Conference
13th Georgia $84,020,180 Southeastern Conference
14th Notre Dame $83,352,439 Independent
15th Iowa $81,148,310 Big Ten
16th Michigan State $77,738,746 Big Ten
17th Oklahoma $77,098,009 Big 12
18th Stanford $76,661,466 Pac-10
19th University of Southern California $76,409,919 Pac-10
20th Nebraska $75,492,884 Big 12
21st Texas A&M $74,781,640 Big 12
22nd Kentucky $71,186,184 Southeastern Conference
23rd Duke $67,820,335 ACC
24th South Carolina $66,545,953 Southeastern Conference
25th UCLA $66,088,264 Pac-10

46th Missouri $49,113,786 Big 12
47th Kansas State $48,160,113 Big 12

:lol:
Title: Re: Interesting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 29, 2009, 08:04:24 AM: It's not "getting to me" . . . I just am kind of amazed that news organizations don't do more research on where these numbers come from . . . I started looking at the EADA reports 5 or 6 years ago (way ahead of the curve on this compared to Tardville) . . . and about that time I knew that mu had received $35 million in private donations from just 2 sources, and those donations were not reflected on their EADA report anywhere. Just like NC State doesn't reflect private giving in their athletic departments financial reports because all the money flows through the Wolfpack Club and they've endowed millions of dollars worth of scholarships, pay for $8 to $9 million dollars worth of athletic scholarships every year, and privately funded about $140 million in new facilities over the last 8 years. I don't know if the Ernie Barrett Endowment society (not the same as the Ahearn Fund) contributions (about $15 million over the last 6 or 7 years) are reflected as revenue on K-State's EADA report since that money is held in restricted accounts at the Foundation.

It's complicated . . . that's why validators mock it, because they don't understand.

Sad . . .
Title: Re: Interesting
Post by: Saulbadguy on July 29, 2009, 08:07:23 AM: :flush:
Title: Re: Interesting
Post by: KSUTOMMY on July 29, 2009, 08:18:04 AM: Dax, it's OK - it is that DAMNED logic thing again... ben is just unable to understand it. People who have a minimal grasp on finance can see what you are talking about. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Interesting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 29, 2009, 08:37:34 AM: Are you fruits going to do this all over again?
Title: Re: Interesting
Post by: BMWJhawk on July 29, 2009, 08:48:53 AM: 'Pad... it's time to just accept the fact that ku's athletic department is becoming a national powerhouse. There's no shame in being ranked in the 45-50 range with the Mizzou's of the world. Not all programs can win BCS Bowls and national titles in the same year.
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Post by: premierkc on July 29, 2009, 09:29:15 AM: So according to this ku has no excuse for not winning the conference in football every couple of years, and neither does UT or OSU. :notworthy:
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 29, 2009, 09:41:22 AM: Are you fruits going to do this all over again?
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Post by: Guscat on July 29, 2009, 10:02:07 AM: K-State has always made do with less than ku, no surprises there. I think most of the state (outside of the retardation belt that encircles Johnson County, Lawrence, and Topeka) admires KSU for getting more from their program than ku. I'll have to laugh if KSU finishes higher in conference this year than ku with the money advantage ku enjoys, and BMWJhawk brags about.

Go 'Cats!
Title: Re: Interesting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 29, 2009, 10:28:04 AM: Are you fruits going to do this all over again?
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Post by: mcmwcat on July 29, 2009, 10:38:58 AM: mods, can't this be moved to the finance board?
Title: Re: Interesting
Post by: JTKSU on July 29, 2009, 10:44:40 AM: Quote from: mcmwcat on July 29, 2009, 10:38:58 AM
mods, can't this be moved to the finance board?

We have a finance board? I guess I just didn't see any boards named after T. Brew, so I assumed there wasn't a finance board.
Title: Re: Interesting
Post by: cyclist on July 29, 2009, 10:57:20 AM: Quote from: JTKSU on July 29, 2009, 10:44:40 AM
Quote from: mcmwcat on July 29, 2009, 10:38:58 AM
mods, can't this be moved to the finance board?

We have a finance board? I guess I just didn't see any boards named after T. Brew, so I assumed there wasn't a finance board.

Nearest thing we got is the Litter Box. I'm about to move this to either there or the Wannabe Rival board...

:chirp: :chirp: :chirp: :chirp:
Title: Re: Interesting
Post by: mizer67 on July 29, 2009, 11:24:38 AM: It is what it is....more money more wins. The rich get richer. They can simply outspend us. :chainsaw:
Title: Re: Interesting
Post by: DrJamesANaismith on July 29, 2009, 01:47:53 PM: It really is interesting .... how everything in the universe relates to ku.

well done, and thanks, that's a good read!
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 29, 2009, 02:04:37 PM: Speaking of "pure denial" Stalksmith (LOL . . . I've never denied that ku had more money coming in, hell ku athletics picks up an extra $3 million more per year than K-State athletics does just by the absurd compulsory fees ku students are raped with) . . . when will you and Tardville admit that many schools treat "revenue" differently. I've given two clear cut examples where athletic departments do not count donations, endowments etc. etc. as revenue on their books, rather they are done on the books of 3rd party support organizations/fund raising arms.

Here . . . the Wolfpack Club . . . 70 years of service on BEHALF of NC State Athletics.

http://www.wolfpackclub.com/

It is funny how easy it is to get the ol' hen house clucking.

Dollars to donuts says Stalksmith nor any member of Tardville will bother to answer the question.
Title: Re: Interesting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 29, 2009, 02:07:03 PM: Dax. Stop being a fruit.
Title: Re: Interesting
Post by: fatty fat fat on July 29, 2009, 02:07:54 PM: Quote from: SkinnyBenny on July 29, 2009, 02:07:03 PM
Dax. Stop being a fruit.

:rolleyes:
Title: Re: Interesting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 29, 2009, 02:08:49 PM: Skinny . . . quit worrying about it. As of right now, you're free to NOT read this thread. You may not be able to say that in a few years, but as of now you are free to totally ignore this thread.
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 29, 2009, 03:43:11 PM: Just wanted to make sure you know you're bein' a fruit, bro. 8-)
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 29, 2009, 04:03:50 PM: Okay . . .
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Post by: Babytears on July 29, 2009, 04:32:58 PM: Quote from: Guscat on July 29, 2009, 10:02:07 AM
K-State has always made do with less than ku, no surprises there. I think most of the state (outside of the retardation belt that encircles Johnson County, Lawrence, and Topeka) admires KSU for getting more from their program than ku. I'll have to laugh if KSU finishes higher in conference this year than ku with the money advantage ku enjoys, and BMWJhawk brags about.

Go 'Cats!

When the f*ck did you get more from your program? Hey Matt, aren't you looking for examples of the dreaded powertardism? BEHOLD!
Title: Re: Interesting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 29, 2009, 06:01:50 PM: It must be the drugs Ben, how can any business rely on a kid that forgets everything because he's hitting the bong every night?? How can my world be "shattered" when we've discussed these exact numbers many times . . . geezus Ben, just sad.

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Daxipad's world has just been shattered. Poor guy.
Title: Re: Interesting
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Title: Re: Interesting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 29, 2009, 06:20:35 PM: 2nd person to respond to this thread . . . Ben.
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Post by: 2001 WiltSexOdyssey on July 30, 2009, 09:55:06 AM: Dax, just admit your :ku: for Ben and save us all the pain of watching this coy flirtation