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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: CFBdude on May 13, 2009, 01:58:15 PM
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Not exactly.
While making Kansas State a major player in the Big 12 race wouldn't be on par with what Snyder did when he first took over the reins, it would be a bit of a shocker considering he's been out of the game for a few seasons and the talent level isn't all that great across the board. Worse yet, for those fans who only know the good years of Kansas State football and don't have a memory of anything before 1990, this might seem like heresy to say, but the halcyon days weren't all that great.
Oh sure, compared to the days before 1991, when Kansas State came up with just its third winning season since 1954, the prosperity and the success was stunning. But for all the fireworks and all the success and all the great things that Snyder did with the program, there was only one Big 12 title (the shocking 2003 win over Oklahoma) and the wheels started to come off right after. Since the championship, Kansas State has gone 26-44, hasn't played a lick of defense, and the program has become an also-ran, at best.
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we know all of that but its poor taste for other to say so.
it's like bad mouthing your wife's family. She may do it all the time.......but when you say something she gets all red assed.
Pete has no biz dissing my Cats. He hasn't sacrificed anything to critique our inner angst.
:powertard:
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Bo Pelini :lol:
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Not exactly.
While making Kansas State a major player in the Big 12 race wouldn't be on par with what Snyder did when he first took over the reins, it would be a bit of a shocker considering he's been out of the game for a few seasons and the talent level isn't all that great across the board. Worse yet, for those fans who only know the good years of Kansas State football and don't have a memory of anything before 1990, this might seem like heresy to say, but the halcyon days weren't all that great.
Oh sure, compared to the days before 1991, when Kansas State came up with just its third winning season since 1954, the prosperity and the success was stunning. But for all the fireworks and all the success and all the great things that Snyder did with the program, there was only one Big 12 title (the shocking 2003 win over Oklahoma) and the wheels started to come off right after. Since the championship, Kansas State has gone 26-44, hasn't played a lick of defense, and the program has become an also-ran, at best.
GMAFB Pete. We had to deal with some of the best CU, NU, OU, and aTm teams ever. You know football conference
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love how he includes (shocking win over oklahoma) as if we were just some also-ran big 12 program that got lucky in a single game.
never mind the fact we were 49-15 in big 12 play up to that point (best...in the conference) it was a giant fluke we only one a single title.
I'd love to kick that guys ass.
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love how he includes (shocking win over oklahoma) as if we were just some also-ran big 12 program that got lucky in a single game.
never mind the fact we were 49-15 in big 12 play up to that point (best...in the conference) it was a giant fluke we only one a single title.
I'd love to kick that guys ass.
the bigger fluke that year was Marshall...and two very close losses right behind that. After Roberson got into rythmn we romped and stomped our way through everyone.....and we would have given Ohio state a game if Roberson hadn't have franked that team "lady".
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Bo Pelini :lol:
:confused:
Fuitak is a tool
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Not exactly.
While making Kansas State a major player in the Big 12 race wouldn't be on par with what Snyder did when he first took over the reins, it would be a bit of a shocker considering he's been out of the game for a few seasons and the talent level isn't all that great across the board. Worse yet, for those fans who only know the good years of Kansas State football and don't have a memory of anything before 1990, this might seem like heresy to say, but the halcyon days weren't all that great.
Oh sure, compared to the days before 1991, when Kansas State came up with just its third winning season since 1954, the prosperity and the success was stunning. But for all the fireworks and all the success and all the great things that Snyder did with the program, there was only one Big 12 title (the shocking 2003 win over Oklahoma) and the wheels started to come off right after. Since the championship, Kansas State has gone 26-44, hasn't played a lick of defense, and the program has become an also-ran, at best.
Never heard of this guy. Seems like he could have done a little more research. Winning 11 games 6 out of 7 seasons almost never happened back then. How many other "also-ran's" can say they were ranked #1? Not to mention what happened pre-'91 is about as relevant as what happened in 2003 when talking about this season. In sum --> D-Bag
Wonder what his views on Notre Dame are?
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Not exactly.
While making Kansas State a major player in the Big 12 race wouldn't be on par with what Snyder did when he first took over the reins, it would be a bit of a shocker considering he's been out of the game for a few seasons and the talent level isn't all that great across the board. Worse yet, for those fans who only know the good years of Kansas State football and don't have a memory of anything before 1990, this might seem like heresy to say, but the halcyon days weren't all that great.
Oh sure, compared to the days before 1991, when Kansas State came up with just its third winning season since 1954, the prosperity and the success was stunning. But for all the fireworks and all the success and all the great things that Snyder did with the program, there was only one Big 12 title (the shocking 2003 win over Oklahoma) and the wheels started to come off right after. Since the championship, Kansas State has gone 26-44, hasn't played a lick of defense, and the program has become an also-ran, at best.
Never heard of this guy. Seems like he could have done a little more research. Winning 11 games 6 out of 7 seasons almost never happened back then. How many other "also-ran's" can say they were ranked #1? Not to mention what happened pre-'91 is about as relevant as what happened in 2003 when talking about this season. In sum --> D-Bag
Wonder what his views on Notre Dame are?
You've never heard of Fiutak? Evidently you don't read much other than local stuff. Most knowledgeable observers don't give those 11 win seasons as much credit because at least one of those wins each year was against a Division I-AA program. The K-State discount.
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You've never heard of Fiutak? Evidently you don't read much other than local stuff. Most knowledgeable observers don't give those 11 win seasons as much credit because at least one of those wins each year was against a Division I-AA program. The K-State discount.
cool dude. make it 10 wins in 6 of 7 years. :confused:
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You've never heard of Fiutak? Evidently you don't read much other than local stuff. Most knowledgeable observers don't give those 11 win seasons as much credit because at least one of those wins each year was against a Division I-AA program. The K-State discount.
cool dude. make it 10 wins in 6 of 7 years. :confused:
This.
Every single team in the country has always played a laundry list of scrubs. What's the difference b/w a ranked 1-AA and a scrub sun belt conference team?
I apologize in advance for not reading the infamous Pete Fuitak, well known outside local sports writer's circles. :rolleyes:
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While making Kansas State a major player in the Big 12 race wouldn't be on par with what Snyder did when he first took over the reins, it would be a bit of a shocker considering he's been out of the game for a few seasons and the talent level isn't all that great across the board. Worse yet, for those fans who only know the good years of Kansas State football and don't have a memory of anything before 1990, this might seem like heresy to say, but the halcyon days weren't all that great.
Oh sure, compared to the days before 1991, when Kansas State came up with just its third winning season since 1954, the prosperity and the success was stunning. But for all the fireworks and all the success and all the great things that Snyder did with the program, there was only one Big 12 title (the shocking 2003 win over Oklahoma) and the wheels started to come off right after. Since the championship, Kansas State has gone 26-44, hasn't played a lick of defense, and the program has become an also-ran, at best.
Apparently, facts can strike a nerve around here. :lol:
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While making Kansas State a major player in the Big 12 race wouldn't be on par with what Snyder did when he first took over the reins, it would be a bit of a shocker considering he's been out of the game for a few seasons and the talent level isn't all that great across the board. Worse yet, for those fans who only know the good years of Kansas State football and don't have a memory of anything before 1990, this might seem like heresy to say, but the halcyon days weren't all that great.
Oh sure, compared to the days before 1991, when Kansas State came up with just its third winning season since 1954, the prosperity and the success was stunning. But for all the fireworks and all the success and all the great things that Snyder did with the program, there was only one Big 12 title (the shocking 2003 win over Oklahoma) and the wheels started to come off right after. Since the championship, Kansas State has gone 26-44, hasn't played a lick of defense, and the program has become an also-ran, at best.
Apparently, facts can strike a nerve around here. :lol:
What facts? He basically makes us out to be some overhyped also-ran. That's not fact, that's just idiotic. Using our number of Big 12 CCG wins ignores the FACT that we were the winningest Big 12 program through 2003 (first seven years of the conference), the FACT that we lost two Big 12 CCGs by a total of six points (33-36 in 98 and 24-27 in 2000), the FACT that we were the first Big 12 program to win on the road in every Big 12 stadium, and so on, and so on, you get the idea. The entire piece is one huge baseless claim that relies on incredibly weak evidence to make the claim that we weren't that good, which is just idiotic, and not even close to something related to "fact."
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Every team Snyder fielded from 93 to 03, with the possible exception of 01 would have won the Big 12 North the past five years.
North basically sucks now.
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You've never heard of Fiutak? Evidently you don't read much other than local stuff. Most knowledgeable observers don't give those 11 win seasons as much credit because at least one of those wins each year was against a Division I-AA program. The K-State discount.
cool dude. make it 10 wins in 6 of 7 years. :confused:
Most knowledgeable observers realize that college teams started playing 12 game regular seasons in 2006 instead of 11 game regular seasons prior to that as a result of one extra non-conference game. Just another reason that 11 win seasons before 2006 are a big deal.
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Every team Snyder fielded from 93 to 03, with the possible exception of 01 would have won the Big 12 North the past five years.
North basically sucks now.
There's no way they would have won. Historical matchups just don't line up very well. Especially the earlier teams. You have to take into account the evolution of the athlete first. Players at every position from OL to skill are bigger and faster in 03 than they were in 93. How big was your O-line in 93'? Average weight of maybe 260-70? That wouldn't hold up against today's D-Lines. You should know, you guys fielded a line of similar size this last year. :D And the players are bigger and faster than just 6 years ago. Plus, most of those teams didn't have to face the explosive spread offenses that exist now. So I doubt they could stop either ku or Mizzou's no huddle attack of the last two years. Oklahoma couldn't shut them down, so how do you think K-State could? Conversely, OB's zone read option offense is pretty vanilla compared to the stuff that exists today in the Big XII. By comparison, it would be a cinch to stop. So I hope he plans on bringing something better this time around. :powertard:
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Every team Snyder fielded from 93 to 03, with the possible exception of 01 would have won the Big 12 North the past five years.
North basically sucks now.
There's no way they would have won. Historical matchups just don't line up very well. Especially the earlier teams. You have to take into account the evolution of the athlete first. Players at every position from OL to skill are bigger and faster in 03 than they were in 93. How big was your O-line in 93'? Average weight of maybe 260-70? That wouldn't hold up against today's D-Lines. You should know, you guys fielded a line of similar size this last year. :D And the players are bigger and faster than just 6 years ago. Plus, most of those teams didn't have to face the explosive spread offenses that exist now. So I doubt they could stop either ku or Mizzou's no huddle attack of the last two years. Oklahoma couldn't shut them down, so how do you think K-State could? Conversely, OB's zone read option offense is pretty vanilla compared to the stuff that exists today in the Big XII. By comparison, it would be a cinch to stop. So I hope he plans on bringing something better this time around. :powertard:
The players are so much bigger and faster than 6 years ago? GMAFB. Face it- the big 12 north has been down for some time now and even OU's defense wasn't that great this past season- Didn't Texas and Texas Tech shut Gay U's offense down?
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Our offensive line in '93 had Barrett Brooks (NFL OT) and Jim Hmiliewski (both at 300-310 lbs.) and our smallest guy was our center (Jason Johnson at about 275-280 lbs.). I don't think that's much smaller than several good offensive lines now. Also, our '98 offensive line was insanely talented and one of the biggest in college or the NFL (averaged about 315 lbs) at the time. As for athleticism, athletes have become better over time, but defenses have also begun to get less of the good athletes in comparision with offenses.
In my opinion, all of the K-State teams with the exception of '93, '94, possibly '96, and '01 would have likely won the Big 12 North in the last 5 seasons. Also, each of those teams (possibly even the '01 team) would have been at least a contender. One of the big reasons is that when K-State lost games in the '90s, the losses were to some of Nebraska's best all-time teams, solid CU teams, and other highly ranked teams. Also, K-State knocked off several ranked teams: a good USC team, UT multiple times, OU in the Big 12 champ game, Nebraska multiple times, some tough CU teams, ku in '95, and bowl game victories over Syracuse (with McNabb) and Tennessee.
What big wins (top 10-15 teams) have ku, Missouri, or Nebraska picked up in the last 5 years? In short, the South has dominated the North since 2003.
As for the K-State defenses not being able to stick with the current passing games...given the recent ineptitude of Big 12 North defenses, what makes you so sure that the recent Big 12 North defenses could stop K-State's power running game that existed from '93-'03?
Next time, think before you post.
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Every team Snyder fielded from 93 to 03, with the possible exception of 01 would have won the Big 12 North the past five years.
North basically sucks now.
There's no way they would have won. Historical matchups just don't line up very well. Especially the earlier teams. You have to take into account the evolution of the athlete first. Players at every position from OL to skill are bigger and faster in 03 than they were in 93. How big was your O-line in 93'? Average weight of maybe 260-70? That wouldn't hold up against today's D-Lines. You should know, you guys fielded a line of similar size this last year. :D And the players are bigger and faster than just 6 years ago. Plus, most of those teams didn't have to face the explosive spread offenses that exist now. So I doubt they could stop either ku or Mizzou's no huddle attack of the last two years. Oklahoma couldn't shut them down, so how do you think K-State could? Conversely, OB's zone read option offense is pretty vanilla compared to the stuff that exists today in the Big XII. By comparison, it would be a cinch to stop. So I hope he plans on bringing something better this time around. :powertard:
I think NFL players, heisman trophey winners, etc. are good measuring sticks. The "evolution of the athlete" is a retarded talking point, that sounds more gay than sportszy. Ya know, something you make up when the facts stack up against you. :blahblah: Better players are always harder to stop, despite the presence of a huddle. And the system that ku and MU run is NOT complicated, that's why high schoolers run it.
BTW back in the 90's our O-Line was huge, it didn't get small until wonderPrince started coaching here. That's why so many played in the NFL. Advice: check on that stuff before you type it.
Basically everything you wrote is wrong, congrats that's pretty hard to do. :thumbsup:
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people who don't think our 01 team could win the north the last five years do not remember that team at all. it on par with the talent levels of all the DOD teams, it just never had good chemistry. TP even said he doesn't know how that team didn't win more.