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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: KSUTOMMY on May 12, 2009, 03:46:09 PM
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OK, aside from Venables - who else would have been a good fit here? There is basically nothing really happening in KSU sports - so we might as well speculate in hindsight (which as we all know is 20/20).
opinions - thoughts - ventings
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Gary Patterson. Gary Barnett. Terry Bowden.
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At least 5 other coordinators at good D1 programs.
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Plenty of other coaches, but how many would have actually come here?
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How would we know . . . the search was so "extensive" afterall.
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Anyone with good KS, and or TX ties.
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Bob Chipman
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Gary Patterson. Gary Barnett. Terry Bowden.
This. I was all over the Barnett Bandwagon.
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Lou Holttthz
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Lou Holttthz
I thecond thithhhbbbbz
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I really wanted Patterson. Oh well.
I think Steve Kragthorpe at Tulsa may have also been mentioned at the time, but that probably wouldn't have worked out any better than Prince. Turner Gill, Chuck Long and Gene Chizik were there for the taking, but those aren't really great hires, either. Dennis Erickson? A nice score would've been Brian Kelly from CMU, but who knew he was so good at the time?
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Brooks Barta was my first choice. He would've been a good "fit" for KSU.
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Dimel haha :lol:
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Brooks Barta was my first choice. He would've been a good "fit" for KSU.
he understands the ksu culture.
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I really wanted Patterson. Oh well.
I think Steve Kragthorpe at Tulsa may have also been mentioned at the time, but that probably wouldn't have worked out any better than Prince. Turner Gill, Chuck Long and Gene Chizik were there for the taking, but those aren't really great hires, either. Dennis Erickson? A nice score would've been Brian Kelly from CMU, but who knew he was so good at the time?
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I thought iowa state made a home run hire when they got him and was actually jealous that we didn't, I guess that turned out for the better?? But apparently auburn still thought he was good :lol:
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Patterson would have been the best fit imo.
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I was hoping to offer one of the traditional powerhouse programs OC/DC - it's tough, in all honesty I thought Venables would have been the obvious choice. I still like VK as HCIW.
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When they hired Prince I was like...who the &@#% is that and how in the hell is he going to be our new coach.....nothing really has changed.
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I really wanted Patterson. Oh well.
I think Steve Kragthorpe at Tulsa may have also been mentioned at the time, but that probably wouldn't have worked out any better than Prince. Turner Gill, Chuck Long and Gene Chizik were there for the taking, but those aren't really great hires, either. Dennis Erickson? A nice score would've been Brian Kelly from CMU, but who knew he was so good at the time?
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turner gill isn't a great hire...explanation please?
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I really wanted Patterson. Oh well.
I think Steve Kragthorpe at Tulsa may have also been mentioned at the time, but that probably wouldn't have worked out any better than Prince. Turner Gill, Chuck Long and Gene Chizik were there for the taking, but those aren't really great hires, either. Dennis Erickson? A nice score would've been Brian Kelly from CMU, but who knew he was so good at the time?
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turner gill isn't a great hire...explanation please?
No BCS experience as a head coach (or even as a coordinator) and only 3 years head coaching experience in all.. He's an intriguing thought, but a more likely one down the road a bit. It's not like we're the only team that passed on him...
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I really wanted Patterson. Oh well.
I think Steve Kragthorpe at Tulsa may have also been mentioned at the time, but that probably wouldn't have worked out any better than Prince. Turner Gill, Chuck Long and Gene Chizik were there for the taking, but those aren't really great hires, either. Dennis Erickson? A nice score would've been Brian Kelly from CMU, but who knew he was so good at the time?
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turner gill isn't a great hire...explanation please?
No BCS experience as a head coach (or even as a coordinator) and only 3 years head coaching experience in all.. He's an intriguing thought, but a more likely one down the road a bit. It's not like we're the only team that passed on him...
and i think the auburn one was more of the...issues with him and his wife.
the fact is, is he took a school that was more inept then KSU and did something with them.
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I really wanted Patterson. Oh well.
I think Steve Kragthorpe at Tulsa may have also been mentioned at the time, but that probably wouldn't have worked out any better than Prince. Turner Gill, Chuck Long and Gene Chizik were there for the taking, but those aren't really great hires, either. Dennis Erickson? A nice score would've been Brian Kelly from CMU, but who knew he was so good at the time?
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turner gill isn't a great hire...explanation please?
No BCS experience as a head coach (or even as a coordinator) and only 3 years head coaching experience in all.. He's an intriguing thought, but a more likely one down the road a bit. It's not like we're the only team that passed on him...
and i think the auburn one was more of the...issues with him and his wife.
the fact is, is he took a school that was more inept then KSU and did something with them.
At a very low level D1 school. I'm not saying he isn't a good coach and wouldn't have been a good hire, but you asked why he wouldn't be a great hire and I gave some of the reasons. And lots of D1 schools had openings this past year (not just us and Auburn) and nobody hired him. Don't act like we were the only ones to pass. If he was such a great hire, why didn't big red bring back one of their favorite sons?
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Brian Kelly
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I really wanted Patterson. Oh well.
I think Steve Kragthorpe at Tulsa may have also been mentioned at the time, but that probably wouldn't have worked out any better than Prince. Turner Gill, Chuck Long and Gene Chizik were there for the taking, but those aren't really great hires, either. Dennis Erickson? A nice score would've been Brian Kelly from CMU, but who knew he was so good at the time?
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turner gill isn't a great hire...explanation please?
No BCS experience as a head coach (or even as a coordinator) and only 3 years head coaching experience in all.. He's an intriguing thought, but a more likely one down the road a bit. It's not like we're the only team that passed on him...
and i think the auburn one was more of the...issues with him and his wife.
the fact is, is he took a school that was more inept then KSU and did something with them.
At a very low level D1 school. I'm not saying he isn't a good coach and wouldn't have been a good hire, but you asked why he wouldn't be a great hire and I gave some of the reasons. And lots of D1 schools had openings this past year (not just us and Auburn) and nobody hired him. Don't act like we were the only ones to pass. If he was such a great hire, why didn't big red bring back one of their favorite sons?
Good MF point re: NUBB
I think I would have taken Turner Gill over Prince without question.
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I really wanted Patterson. Oh well.
I think Steve Kragthorpe at Tulsa may have also been mentioned at the time, but that probably wouldn't have worked out any better than Prince. Turner Gill, Chuck Long and Gene Chizik were there for the taking, but those aren't really great hires, either. Dennis Erickson? A nice score would've been Brian Kelly from CMU, but who knew he was so good at the time?
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turner gill isn't a great hire...explanation please?
He isn't a good coach. Why do you think nobody offers him a job?
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Lou Holttthz
Thilly catth.
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Lou! So glad your back on the KSU boards!
Are you going to deliver a pre-season inspirational talk to Coach Snyder, from one OB to another? :kstatriot:
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Gary Patterson. Gary Barnett. Terry Bowden.
Please God, no. Don't ever hire Gary Barnett.
I love Gary Patterson as a head coach. When the whole "It's Patterson" thing broke, (before it turned out to be complete BS) I was freaking stoked. I texted all my EMAW friends. You would have been hard pressed to find someone more excited than me. Then the bubble burst. Sadface.
I'm still hoping for Patterson to come here in 5 years when Snyder burns out. Wishful thinking? You betcha.
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I really wanted Patterson. Oh well.
I think Steve Kragthorpe at Tulsa may have also been mentioned at the time, but that probably wouldn't have worked out any better than Prince. Turner Gill, Chuck Long and Gene Chizik were there for the taking, but those aren't really great hires, either. Dennis Erickson? A nice score would've been Brian Kelly from CMU, but who knew he was so good at the time?
:blank:
turner gill isn't a great hire...explanation please?
No BCS experience as a head coach (or even as a coordinator) and only 3 years head coaching experience in all.. He's an intriguing thought, but a more likely one down the road a bit. It's not like we're the only team that passed on him...
and i think the auburn one was more of the...issues with him and his wife.
the fact is, is he took a school that was more inept then KSU and did something with them.
At a very low level D1 school. I'm not saying he isn't a good coach and wouldn't have been a good hire, but you asked why he wouldn't be a great hire and I gave some of the reasons. And lots of D1 schools had openings this past year (not just us and Auburn) and nobody hired him. Don't act like we were the only ones to pass. If he was such a great hire, why didn't big red bring back one of their favorite sons?
Good MF point re: NUBB
I think I would have taken Turner Gill over Prince without question.
Knowing what I know now, hell yes I would. But, at that time, I would have felt more comfortable turning the team over to a (moderately) successful coordinator from a BCS team. Plus, at that point, Turner hadn't even been a head coach at any level. I'm not sure if the big 12 is the best place to learn.
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Brian Kelly
True, he went from a low level coach to a very successful BCS coach and did it immediately. BUT, he had been a head coach for 15 years before taking over at Cincinnati.
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Lou! So glad your back on the KSU boards!
Are you going to deliver a pre-season inspirational talk to Coach Snyder, from one OB to another? :kstatriot:
Lou maketh hith pickth and predicthionth. No more, no leth.
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Brian Kelly
True, he went from a low level coach to a very successful BCS coach and did it immediately. BUT, he had been a head coach for 15 years before taking over at Cincinnati.
I'm not catching your point. Is it a bad thing to have prior head coaching experience?
Kelly would have been a fantastic hire, imo, but it would have taken a genious far greater than KSU has ever had in its athletic department to know at the time Prince was hired that a guy that just went 4-7 and 6-5 at Central Michigan had the potential to win a BCS conference in his second year. At the time, Kelly was just as big a reach as Prince was, but at least it would have been the right one.
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Brian Kelly
True, he went from a low level coach to a very successful BCS coach and did it immediately. BUT, he had been a head coach for 15 years before taking over at Cincinnati.
I'm not catching your point. Is it a bad thing to have prior head coaching experience?
Kelly would have been a fantastic hire, imo, but it would have taken a genious far greater than KSU has ever had in its athletic department to know at the time Prince was hired that a guy that just went 4-7 and 6-5 at Central Michigan had the potential to win a BCS conference in his second year. At the time, Kelly was just as big a reach as Prince was, but at least it would have been the right one.
A little miscommunication here. My post directly above yours referenced Turner Gills experience at a low level D1 program. I was saying that while Kelly made the jump to D1 look easy, he had 15 years of head coaching experience while Gill only has (now) 3 years.
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Brian Kelly
True, he went from a low level coach to a very successful BCS coach and did it immediately. BUT, he had been a head coach for 15 years before taking over at Cincinnati.
I'm not catching your point. Is it a bad thing to have prior head coaching experience?
Kelly would have been a fantastic hire, imo, but it would have taken a genious far greater than KSU has ever had in its athletic department to know at the time Prince was hired that a guy that just went 4-7 and 6-5 at Central Michigan had the potential to win a BCS conference in his second year. At the time, Kelly was just as big a reach as Prince was, but at least it would have been the right one.
A little miscommunication here. My post directly above yours referenced Turner Gills experience at a low level D1 program. I was saying that while Kelly made the jump to D1 look easy, he had 15 years of head coaching experience while Gill only has (now) 3 years.
Got ya. That makes sense.
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imo we should've made a big, public push for mike leach.
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What about Skip Holtz from ECU? Had a good run last year and has a good coaching blood line. Don't know what he was doing 3 years ago.
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I hope Koenning learned from his previous HC experience so he can be successful when he takes over.
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I wanted Butch Davis.
Don't think he would have come here in retrospect, but it would have been nice to find out for sure.
MCMW! :love: