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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: cireksu on May 05, 2009, 08:45:07 PM
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page out of the old seff coaching book
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terrible
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http://www.cjonline.com/sports/basketball/2009-05-05/awaji_looking_to_transfer :confused:
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Link, pm, etc. TIA.
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page out of the old seff coaching book
kind of, cept for the part about replacing it with greater value. will prolly meltdown a bit if/when fred leaves.
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page out of the old seff coaching book
kind of, cept for the part about replacing it with greater value. will prolly meltdown a bit if/when fred leaves.
me too :frown:
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also, a-meek is greinke'ing j-mart.
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He should have gotten more playing time last year imo. I don't blame him for wanting to transfer.
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This makes me sad.
:cry: :cry: :cry:
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sheesh. guy was a beast
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I blame Underwood
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terrible news.
<---Buchi lover
also, grumblings that fred failed multiple drug tests?? (Was on gopo but got taken down)
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I blame Underwood
v. good point. who wants to sit next to a smelly person like unds on the bench?
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I choose to think this means that Rodney is a scorer.
:dunno:
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page out of the old seff coaching book
kind of, cept for the part about replacing it with greater value. will prolly meltdown a bit if/when fred leaves.
yeah. he replaced quintrell thomas w/ xavier henry. a little better than whatever trade frank could possibly make at this stage of the game. And fred leaving will definitely be mini-meltdown worthy
I blame Underwood
remember when book was whining about our staff going to miami? :lol: :jerkoff: :-[
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good news. buchi can go awaji from here for all i care. more pt for fred. don't think fred is going anywhere. seems to be a very nice, happy go lucky young man who enjoys mhk and doesn't want to leave.
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I choose to think this means that Rodney is a scorer.
:dunno:
Has nothing to do with McG. We signed Martavious Irving for f^ck sakes.
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does this mean D-Pete may still be a wildcat? :pray: (appologies for being out of the recruiting loop if/when he decomitted)
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Making room for Williams and Wall! :ksu:
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Making room for Williams and Wall! :ksu:
iguessso
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That sucks
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Making room for Williams and Wall! :ksu:
Definitely making room for Wall.
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page out of the old seff coaching book
one of the boldest attempts at spin ever attempted at ksufans.com. not sure if it is contemptible or admirable.
don't go buchi. we love you.
:'(
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btw, an underspeculated hypothesis on why the staff is failing to effort much in retaining decent players while not replacing them with better:
ksu isn't getting the apr 'ship back this year.
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btw, an underspeculated hypothesis on why the staff is failing to effort much in retaining decent players while not replacing them with better:
ksu isn't getting the apr 'ship back this year.
Only reasonable explanation.
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:frown: Buchi fan.
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you buchitards are so lol.
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Not that bad of news. Would rather of wanted Buchi to leave then Fred.
But last week there were rumors of both. :ohno:
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Not that bad of news. Would rather of wanted Buchi to leave then Fred.
But last week there were rumors of both. :ohno:
what about awaji leaving would possibly make you think brown isn't also leaving?
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Making room for Williams and Wall! :ksu:
Definitely making room for Wall.
Your sig dooms the human race
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This is a shame. Kid was turning into a real player.
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Making room for Williams and Wall! :ksu:
Definitely making room for Wall.
Your sig dooms the human race
That's what happens when you go full blown retard (aka right wing nut bag)
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Why can't Luis Colon just leave? :curse:
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Well, now we know how St. Johns felt. :frown:
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Not that bad of news. Would rather of wanted Buchi to leave then Fred.
Stay tuned broseph. This is a "chronic" problem.
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Frank better be adding somebody good because Buchi started coming on strong down the stretch.
:ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway:
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Frank better be adding somebody good because Buchi started coming on strong down the stretch.
:ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway:
QFT thought Buchi would be a great 20-25 min guy this year. Was hoping to see some redic. dunks out of him.
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Frank better be adding somebody good because Buchi started coming on strong down the stretch.
:ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway:
QFT thought Buchi would be a great 20-25 min guy this year. Was hoping to see some redic. dunks out of him.
10-15 maybe. Will be more pissed if (when) Fred leaves. I will be pissed X infinity when Dpete doesn't come. :ohno:
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buchitards,
my dear god, if one more of you comments about how buchi was "coming on down the stretch" and how he was "gonna be a player this year" i am going to have to semi-ban myself from the basketball board. please stop.
thanks,
daris
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buchitards,
my dear god, if one more of you comments about how buchi was "coming on down the stretch" and how he was "gonna be a player this year" i am going to have to semi-ban myself from the basketball board. please stop.
thanks,
daris
I'm more disappointed that we're replacing him w/ more buchi's than anything. :dunno:
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buchitards,
my dear god, if one more of you comments about how buchi was "coming on down the stretch" and how he was "gonna be a player this year" i am going to have to semi-ban myself from the basketball board. please stop.
thanks,
daris
I'm more disappointed that we're replacing him w/ more buchi's than anything. :dunno:
Hoping for the undersized JUCO stud. :hope:
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buchitards,
my dear god, if one more of you comments about how buchi was "coming on down the stretch" and how he was "gonna be a player this year" i am going to have to semi-ban myself from the basketball board. please stop.
thanks,
daris
I'm more disappointed that we're replacing him w/ more buchi's than anything. :dunno:
Hoping for the undersized JUCO stud. :hope:
do not want :angry:
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buchitards,
my dear god, if one more of you comments about how buchi was "coming on down the stretch" and how he was "gonna be a player this year" i am going to have to semi-ban myself from the basketball board. please stop.
thanks,
daris
I'm more disappointed that we're replacing him w/ more buchi's than anything. :dunno:
Agreed. second year Buchi's are better than first year Buchi's. Unless you are upgrading talent significantly, keep the experienced player.
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buchitards,
my dear god, if one more of you comments about how buchi was "coming on down the stretch" and how he was "gonna be a player this year" i am going to have to semi-ban myself from the basketball board. please stop.
thanks,
daris
I'm more disappointed that we're replacing him w/ more buchi's than anything. :dunno:
this. it'd be one thing if we were making room for Born Ready. we aren't. we're, apprently, making room for Irving. Seriously. How terrible of trade is that. We just lost 2 guys that can/have shot >40% from 3. If both of them are gone, we have exactly one person who shot above 35% from 3 last year (Clemente).
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I don't think we were intentionally "making room" for anyone. I just think Frank/staff ticked a couple guys off and then were unable to rerecruit them. Or these guys started talking/looking into tranfering and Frank showed them the door. I'd love to believe these theories that we really thought we were going to replace players with better players so we forced them out, but I think that is a ksufans.com dream. I just think we're seeing attrition and turnover that programs sometimes have. IMO, at least its at best role players and not key guys/starters that really kill you when they leave. Granted, if you continually have 2-3 guys leaving every couple years it becomes problematic, but I'm willing at this point to count this one as Frank/staff growing into program management.
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buchitards,
my dear god, if one more of you comments about how buchi was "coming on down the stretch" and how he was "gonna be a player this year" i am going to have to semi-ban myself from the basketball board. please stop.
thanks,
daris
Man, Buchi was really coming on down the stretch. I think he was gonna be a player this year.
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buchitards,
my dear god, if one more of you comments about how buchi was "coming on down the stretch" and how he was "gonna be a player this year" i am going to have to semi-ban myself from the basketball board. please stop.
thanks,
daris
Man, Buchi was really coming on down the stretch. I think he was gonna be a player this year.
:lol:
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buchitards,
my dear god, if one more of you comments about how buchi was "coming on down the stretch" and how he was "gonna be a player this year" i am going to have to semi-ban myself from the basketball board. please stop.
thanks,
daris
Man, Buchi was really coming on down the stretch. I think he was gonna be a player this year.
wow. did not see the potential for this at all. you win this battle SKYDOG. :curse:
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I don't think we were intentionally "making room" for anyone. I just think Frank/staff ticked a couple guys off and then were unable to rerecruit them. Or these guys started talking/looking into tranfering and Frank showed them the door. I'd love to believe these theories that we really thought we were going to replace players with better players so we forced them out, but I think that is a ksufans.com dream. I just think we're seeing attrition and turnover that programs sometimes have. IMO, at least its at best role players and not key guys/starters that really kill you when they leave. Granted, if you continually have 2-3 guys leaving every couple years it becomes problematic, but I'm willing at this point to count this one as Frank/staff growing into program management.
Regardless of whether it's making room or players leaving....there's a reason....and if frank's taybron'ing fred, while at the same time letting/forcing awaji go, then it's bad roster management. ron leaving i'm fine with, we're "replacing" him with curtis kelly or judge, so upgrade. awaji/fred leaving....? we're replacing them with irving. even at best. and now couple that with their mid-major '10 and '11 recruiting.....
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The 10 class might surprise people cause that tony mitchell is bout to be a four star when they re rank the class
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The 10 class might surprise people cause that tony mitchell is bout to be a four star when they re rank the class
Not from what I've read. I have higher hopes for Spradling actually (doing well, not getting more stars).
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any potential for a curtis kelly type thing? those things are usually pretty quiet until they happen, no? is that martavious irving guy friends with any current college players who might be looking to move?
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hey buchi, you're so fine, you're so fine you blow my mind!
hey buchi, hey buchi!
hey buchi, you're so fine, you're so fine you blow my mind!
hey buchi, hey buchi!
:jacko: :jacko: :jacko: :jacko: :jacko: :jacko:
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He's a Trops guy iirc.
no. i think he played for the florida future.
the tropics are really not doing well lately. seems like they might have some decent '11s and '12s, but their '08s, '09s and '10s have not been worthy of an upper echelon program.
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He's a Trops guy iirc.
no. i think he played for the florida future.
the tropics are really not doing well lately. seems like they might have some decent '11s and '12s, but their '08s, '09s and '10s have not been worthy of an upper echelon program.
Yeah, I checked and erased my post. Don't know where I got Tropics at. Aspirilla maybe.
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well rivals is reporting that what was thought to be a done deal with Lat Will going to memphis is no more. He's looking around again :pray:
I don't have a link because i don't have premium.
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Don't know where I got Tropics at.
they've been a tremendous disappointment.
well rivals is reporting that what was thought to be a done deal with Lat Will going to memphis is no more. He's looking around again :pray:
I don't have a link because i don't have premium.
:flush:
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The 10 class might surprise people cause that tony mitchell is bout to be a four star when they re rank the class
I don't know why they don't have him recruit Lat Will since they played on the same AAU team.
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doodz. i knew fred peete. buchi,brown are no fred peete. both these guys can gtfo for all i care.
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Man, Buchi was really coming on down the stretch. I think he was gonna be a player this year.
I disagree. I'm more of the opinion that Buchi was gonna be a player this year and he was really coming on down the stretch. (In that order)
Aside from three point shooting, Buchi seemed to be a much more complete player than Fred. Defensively he was pretty solid and seemed to be able to create more (and finish) on the offensive end. I've heard things about Fred's ability to create, he just can't seem to accomplish it in games.
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buchitards,
my dear god, if one more of you comments about how buchi was "coming on down the stretch" and how he was "gonna be a player this year" i am going to have to semi-ban myself from the basketball board. please stop.
thanks,
daris
Man, Buchi was really coming on down the stretch. I think he was gonna be a player this year.
wow. did not see the potential for this at all. you win this battle SKYDOG. :curse:
:D
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Who can forget that time Buchi got beat off the bounce against NU and came back to block the guy's shot to save the day.
If that's not "coming on" I don't know what is.
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Who can forget that time Buchi got beat off the bounce against NU and came back to block the guy's shot to save the day.
If that's not "coming on" I don't know what is.
Thanks for clarifying. I thought the "coming on" reference was more of the "Sherron Collins - Would you like to ride in this elevator with me?" sort of coming on. Which would have explained why he might not be on the team next year. I guess I'll go back to the drawing board on this topic.
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I think it had to be the last game where I said to Buchi "you need more minutes, I don't know what Frank has been thinking" he stopped and thought for a minute, and now this is the result, after a over a month to reflect..should have kept my mouth :-X
Buchi will be missed...by me.
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I think it had to be the last game where I said to Buchi "you need more minutes, I don't know what Frank has been thinking" he stopped and thought for a minute, and now this is the result, after a over a month to reflect..should have kept my mouth :-X
Buchi will be missed...by me.
You need more posts
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Hasn't been much talk about this but I have a feeling he could be a guy on Frank's radar for one of these open ships.
Asprilla Leaves FIU, Exploring Options
May 4, 2009
By: Tropics Staff
Freddy Asprilla, the 2009 Sun Belt Conference Rookie of the Year, has submitted his paperwork to Florida International University and withdrawn from the school. Asprilla completed his second semester with exams two weeks ago, huddled with his parents in Columbia and guardian in the states, Pilin Alvarez, and made the decision it was in his best interest to move on from the university.
Asprilla had a stellar first season with the Golden Panthers, averaging 17.3 points and 11.4 rebounds per game, and was named a Second Team All Conference selection. Playing the year with a herniated disk in his back, Asprilla missed 7 conference tilts so by rule, was not allowed to be ranked in the conference statistical categories. Had he been, his 17.3 points would have had him 4th in the scoring race and his 11.4 rebounds would have ranked him first, by over 3 rebounds a game. Considering the fact that Player of the Year, Orlando Mendez-Valdez of Western Kentucky, finished 6th in scoring and 5th in assists, Asprilla should have been a prime candidate for that award as well.
The native Colombian has returned to his country for a brief vacation, while weighing the opportunities that have presented themselves to him.
He currently has two offers to play overseas, immediately, which could be an option if he doesn't find the right fit at a university in the United States. Asprilla is trying to get a feel for which schools would offer him the best situation to finish his collegiate career.
"I came to FIU to play with Josue, we played together with the Tropics and found a real comfort level, but when he left to go back and play in Puerto Rico I didn't want to stay either," said Asprilla.
Josue is point guard Josue Soto who transferred to FIU from FSU, but only played in 13 games after breaking his wrist prior to the start of the season. He still averaged 11.0 points and 3.3 assists a game but with the release of the entire coaching staff after the season, decided to return to his native country and turn professional.
Asprilla had also settled in with Coach Sergio Rouco and his staff and didn't feel comfortable with the program's hiring of ex-NBA star Isiah Thomas. Asprilla laughed when asked about Thomas saying, "I never saw him play and don't know much about him. I know he has a big name and has brought a lot of attention to FIU, but we could have done that by winning more games, too!"
Asprilla said he would like to return to finish his collegiate eligibility, but in the right situation. "My parents would love to see me get a college diploma so I hope it can be worked out with another school whose style includes getting the ball to the post. I want the ball in my hands so I can help my team win." Freddy has been sending out feelers to see which schools on his list would consider bringing him in for his final three years of eligibility.
Whoever pulls this one off is going to get one of the top big men, IN THE COUNTRY! Asprilla toyed with the bigs in the Sunbelt Conference scoring his 17 points with an average of only 10 shots a game. He still has a major upside but already has a variety of low post moves. His footwork in the block is second to none and his ability to pass may be his best asset.
"Freddy is a monster," said Art Alvarez, Asprilla's guardian, AAU coach and the one responsible for bringing him to the states from Colombia, "he just dominates the paint like the great ones. When he played with O.J. Mayo for our Tropics' team, O.J. told me he was the best big guy he had played with and he was going to be a great one. He's well on his way!"
When asked about the recruiting process for Freddy, Alvarez responded, "We will contact a number of schools, make a list, and go from there. It's just like his recruitment the first time around. Everybody wanted him then, and I am sure they will again, especially with what he has accomplished, already."
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Hasn't been much talk about this but I have a feeling he could be a guy on Frank's radar for one of these open ships.
Asprilla Leaves FIU, Exploring Options
May 4, 2009
By: Tropics Staff
Freddy Asprilla, the 2009 Sun Belt Conference Rookie of the Year, has submitted his paperwork to Florida International University and withdrawn from the school. Asprilla completed his second semester with exams two weeks ago, huddled with his parents in Columbia and guardian in the states, Pilin Alvarez, and made the decision it was in his best interest to move on from the university.
Asprilla had a stellar first season with the Golden Panthers, averaging 17.3 points and 11.4 rebounds per game, and was named a Second Team All Conference selection. Playing the year with a herniated disk in his back, Asprilla missed 7 conference tilts so by rule, was not allowed to be ranked in the conference statistical categories. Had he been, his 17.3 points would have had him 4th in the scoring race and his 11.4 rebounds would have ranked him first, by over 3 rebounds a game. Considering the fact that Player of the Year, Orlando Mendez-Valdez of Western Kentucky, finished 6th in scoring and 5th in assists, Asprilla should have been a prime candidate for that award as well.
The native Colombian has returned to his country for a brief vacation, while weighing the opportunities that have presented themselves to him.
He currently has two offers to play overseas, immediately, which could be an option if he doesn't find the right fit at a university in the United States. Asprilla is trying to get a feel for which schools would offer him the best situation to finish his collegiate career.
"I came to FIU to play with Josue, we played together with the Tropics and found a real comfort level, but when he left to go back and play in Puerto Rico I didn't want to stay either," said Asprilla.
Josue is point guard Josue Soto who transferred to FIU from FSU, but only played in 13 games after breaking his wrist prior to the start of the season. He still averaged 11.0 points and 3.3 assists a game but with the release of the entire coaching staff after the season, decided to return to his native country and turn professional.
Asprilla had also settled in with Coach Sergio Rouco and his staff and didn't feel comfortable with the program's hiring of ex-NBA star Isiah Thomas. Asprilla laughed when asked about Thomas saying, "I never saw him play and don't know much about him. I know he has a big name and has brought a lot of attention to FIU, but we could have done that by winning more games, too!"
Asprilla said he would like to return to finish his collegiate eligibility, but in the right situation. "My parents would love to see me get a college diploma so I hope it can be worked out with another school whose style includes getting the ball to the post. I want the ball in my hands so I can help my team win." Freddy has been sending out feelers to see which schools on his list would consider bringing him in for his final three years of eligibility.
Whoever pulls this one off is going to get one of the top big men, IN THE COUNTRY! Asprilla toyed with the bigs in the Sunbelt Conference scoring his 17 points with an average of only 10 shots a game. He still has a major upside but already has a variety of low post moves. His footwork in the block is second to none and his ability to pass may be his best asset.
"Freddy is a monster," said Art Alvarez, Asprilla's guardian, AAU coach and the one responsible for bringing him to the states from Colombia, "he just dominates the paint like the great ones. When he played with O.J. Mayo for our Tropics' team, O.J. told me he was the best big guy he had played with and he was going to be a great one. He's well on his way!"
When asked about the recruiting process for Freddy, Alvarez responded, "We will contact a number of schools, make a list, and go from there. It's just like his recruitment the first time around. Everybody wanted him then, and I am sure they will again, especially with what he has accomplished, already."
We actually talked about him quite a bit a week or so ago.
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*Alvarez is a fantastic hype master. Every kid who ever played for Art is a HOF canidate.
*Doesn't mean I wouldn't want Asprilla.
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Really going to miss Buchi . . . clearly a candidate for Big12POY next year. :-[
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I think it had to be the last game where I said to Buchi "you need more minutes, I don't know what Frank has been thinking" he stopped and thought for a minute, and now this is the result.
sounds like awaji to saint lawrence.
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Hasn't been much talk about this but I have a feeling he could be a guy on Frank's radar for one of these open ships.
Asprilla Leaves FIU, Exploring Options
May 4, 2009
By: Tropics Staff
Freddy Asprilla, the 2009 Sun Belt Conference Rookie of the Year, has submitted his paperwork to Florida International University and withdrawn from the school. Asprilla completed his second semester with exams two weeks ago, huddled with his parents in Columbia and guardian in the states, Pilin Alvarez, and made the decision it was in his best interest to move on from the university.
Asprilla had a stellar first season with the Golden Panthers, averaging 17.3 points and 11.4 rebounds per game, and was named a Second Team All Conference selection. Playing the year with a herniated disk in his back, Asprilla missed 7 conference tilts so by rule, was not allowed to be ranked in the conference statistical categories. Had he been, his 17.3 points would have had him 4th in the scoring race and his 11.4 rebounds would have ranked him first, by over 3 rebounds a game. Considering the fact that Player of the Year, Orlando Mendez-Valdez of Western Kentucky, finished 6th in scoring and 5th in assists, Asprilla should have been a prime candidate for that award as well.
The native Colombian has returned to his country for a brief vacation, while weighing the opportunities that have presented themselves to him.
He currently has two offers to play overseas, immediately, which could be an option if he doesn't find the right fit at a university in the United States. Asprilla is trying to get a feel for which schools would offer him the best situation to finish his collegiate career.
"I came to FIU to play with Josue, we played together with the Tropics and found a real comfort level, but when he left to go back and play in Puerto Rico I didn't want to stay either," said Asprilla.
Josue is point guard Josue Soto who transferred to FIU from FSU, but only played in 13 games after breaking his wrist prior to the start of the season. He still averaged 11.0 points and 3.3 assists a game but with the release of the entire coaching staff after the season, decided to return to his native country and turn professional.
Asprilla had also settled in with Coach Sergio Rouco and his staff and didn't feel comfortable with the program's hiring of ex-NBA star Isiah Thomas. Asprilla laughed when asked about Thomas saying, "I never saw him play and don't know much about him. I know he has a big name and has brought a lot of attention to FIU, but we could have done that by winning more games, too!"
Asprilla said he would like to return to finish his collegiate eligibility, but in the right situation. "My parents would love to see me get a college diploma so I hope it can be worked out with another school whose style includes getting the ball to the post. I want the ball in my hands so I can help my team win." Freddy has been sending out feelers to see which schools on his list would consider bringing him in for his final three years of eligibility.
Whoever pulls this one off is going to get one of the top big men, IN THE COUNTRY! Asprilla toyed with the bigs in the Sunbelt Conference scoring his 17 points with an average of only 10 shots a game. He still has a major upside but already has a variety of low post moves. His footwork in the block is second to none and his ability to pass may be his best asset.
"Freddy is a monster," said Art Alvarez, Asprilla's guardian, AAU coach and the one responsible for bringing him to the states from Colombia, "he just dominates the paint like the great ones. When he played with O.J. Mayo for our Tropics' team, O.J. told me he was the best big guy he had played with and he was going to be a great one. He's well on his way!"
When asked about the recruiting process for Freddy, Alvarez responded, "We will contact a number of schools, make a list, and go from there. It's just like his recruitment the first time around. Everybody wanted him then, and I am sure they will again, especially with what he has accomplished, already."
We actually talked about him quite a bit a week or so ago.
Not enough. Jmart needs to make some calls.
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btw, an underspeculated hypothesis on why the staff is failing to effort much in retaining decent players while not replacing them with better:
ksu isn't getting the apr 'ship back this year.
Looks like we got it back.
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btw, an underspeculated hypothesis on why the staff is failing to effort much in retaining decent players while not replacing them with better:
ksu isn't getting the apr 'ship back this year.
Looks like we got it back.
:dancin: link?
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Man, Buchi was really coming on down the stretch. I think he was gonna be a player this year.
I disagree. I'm more of the opinion that Buchi was gonna be a player this year and he was really coming on down the stretch. (In that order)
Aside from three point shooting, Buchi seemed to be a much more complete player than Fred. Defensively he was pretty solid and seemed to be able to create more (and finish) on the offensive end. I've heard things about Fred's ability to create, he just can't seem to accomplish it in games.
we are just losing talent though. it's not a good thing. we don't win the nebraska game w/o buchi last year. little things like that add up.
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Man, Buchi was really coming on down the stretch. I think he was gonna be a player this year.
I disagree. I'm more of the opinion that Buchi was gonna be a player this year and he was really coming on down the stretch. (In that order)
Aside from three point shooting, Buchi seemed to be a much more complete player than Fred. Defensively he was pretty solid and seemed to be able to create more (and finish) on the offensive end. I've heard things about Fred's ability to create, he just can't seem to accomplish it in games.
we are just losing talent though. it's not a good thing. we don't win the nebraska game w/o buchi last year. little things like that add up.
qft, buchi was to ksu what eckstein was to the 06 Cards.
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Man, Buchi was really coming on down the stretch. I think he was gonna be a player this year.
I disagree. I'm more of the opinion that Buchi was gonna be a player this year and he was really coming on down the stretch. (In that order)
Aside from three point shooting, Buchi seemed to be a much more complete player than Fred. Defensively he was pretty solid and seemed to be able to create more (and finish) on the offensive end. I've heard things about Fred's ability to create, he just can't seem to accomplish it in games.
we are just losing talent though. it's not a good thing. we don't win the nebraska game w/o buchi last year. little things like that add up.
Or @ISU. But where is this kid going to go? He's got 1 year left. He really should stick around. Which makes me wonder if we're pushing him out. Maybe energy isn't going back on academic? Maybe we've got a transfer we're looking at? There are really a lot of variables if everyone in the class shows up and is Fred stays or goes.