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while Chalmers gets high before game 7.
Disgusting.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AjzJtQSHbM4LlfRnPm6tFFa8vLYF?gid=2009050301
Great Year Mike. Now, come back to Manhattan. (for, like a few days)
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They both sucked today...
Chalmers was practically passing the ball to the other team :flush:
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Heat need to upgrade at point guard if they're going to make more noise next year.
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Heat need to upgrade at point guard if they're going to make more noise next year.
agreed. D-Wade and Buckets can create, so they need a pg who can hit jump shots (when others draw the help d) and play great d. Chalmers doesn't do either very well, in fact there is nothing he does really well at the NBA level.
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i really want beasley to get the &@#% out of there and go some place else. Their coach pisses me the &@#% off.
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superduper mario suxs dix
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They both sucked today...
Chalmers was practically passing the ball to the other team :flush:
Beasley was +10 while he was in the game.....hard to believe he played too bad BTW, Wade was -24.
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They both sucked today...
Chalmers was practically passing the ball to the other team :flush:
17 and 7 off the bench ain't too bad.
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They both sucked today...
Chalmers was practically passing the ball to the other team :flush:
17 and 7 off the bench ain't too bad.
Yeah and they were down 20 when he got most of his pts
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They both sucked today...
Chalmers was practically passing the ball to the other team :flush:
17 and 7 off the bench ain't too bad.
Yeah and they were down 20 when he got most of his pts
Also when he got the majority of his PT.
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while Chalmers gets high before game 7.
Disgusting.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AjzJtQSHbM4LlfRnPm6tFFa8vLYF?gid=2009050301
Great Year Mike. Now, come back to Manhattan. (for, like a few days)
anyone else think the bulls beat the celtics if they'd drafted mb instead of rose? :kstatriot:
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while Chalmers gets high before game 7.
Disgusting.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AjzJtQSHbM4LlfRnPm6tFFa8vLYF?gid=2009050301
Great Year Mike. Now, come back to Manhattan. (for, like a few days)
anyone else think the bulls beat the celtics if they'd drafted mb instead of rose? :kstatriot:
yes and you're a little late http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=40293.msg554210#msg554210 (http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=40293.msg554210#msg554210)
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LOL @ Joel Anthony (who?) starting ahead of that complete bust.
:flush:
They have Beas playing center? Weird.
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LOL @ Joel Anthony (who?) starting ahead of that complete bust.
:flush:
They have Beas playing center? Weird.
What an idiot.
And by the way, congrats on your point guard (starting) who had one less turnover then he did points.
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Beas . . . +10
Chalmers . . . - 16
Beas finishes the year as Miami's 2nd leading scorer, 3rd leading re-bounder.
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Yeah JO is starting to look like a bust.
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Chalmers and Beas play the same position?? :confused:
Why does this always make Captain Meltdown so :mad:
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....yet Chalmers still starts in front of the complete bust.
:lol:
Jesus, get a new talking point.
"HE STARTS THOUGH" "BUT GUYS HE STARTS" "WELL, HE'S A STARTER"
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(http://www.panamabiggamefishingclub.com/fishing-reports/May/may_fishing001.jpg)
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Trying to cover... or really fishing...
we may never know. :rolleyes:
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When you're a "visitor" or in your case a perpetual obsessive in residence . . . you can't claim that you're fishing.
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while Chalmers gets high before game 7.
Disgusting.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AjzJtQSHbM4LlfRnPm6tFFa8vLYF?gid=2009050301
Great Year Mike. Now, come back to Manhattan. (for, like a few days)
anyone else think the bulls miss the playoffsif they'd drafted mb instead of rose? :kstatriot:
after i f'd your p, yes I agree.
:billypopcorn:
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i really want beasley to get the frack out of there and go some place else. Their coach pisses me the frack off.
how 'bout...
okc thunder send jeff green, kyle weaver and their first round pick (hasheem thabeet if a high one in the lottery) to mia heat for beasley, and one or both of their two second-rounders?
miami is +7.9 ppg, +3.6 rpg, and +2.8 apg in the deal and sheds the non-riley player that they obviously have no future plan for... okc boosts its fanbase with young players AND kevin, westbrook and mike get to build something special, long-term in the league
might be a little miami-slanted now... but that's what it takes to get riley interested... and it could be very good for the thunder going forward
comments?
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....yet Chalmers still starts in front of the complete bust.
:lol:
No wonder Beas has a hard time breaking the starting lineup. How do they expect the guy to play center and PG at the same same as his usual forward spot?
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Trying to cover... or really fishing...
we may never know. :rolleyes:
Pretty much Ben's M.O.
1) Make an outlandish statement.
2) Back up with sketchy facts, the links to which have magically been removed or lost.
3) Get called out repeatedly.
4) Claim to be fishing.
5) Get called out/embarrassed even further.
6) Subsequent meltdown.
7) Delete account for several days.
8)Lather, rinse, and repeat.
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when they went into halftime of game 6 the sideline reporter asked how much it helped to have guys like Anthony and Beasley step up. seemed like Wade got a little perturbed when he heard Beasley's name and went on to give props to Anthony and Jones, but no mention of the guy who almost had a double-double at the half. almost seems like both DWade and ES have a problem with BEasy. can't really think of a team i'd like Mike to go to, maybe Portland or Houston, i dunno...
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while Chalmers gets high before game 7.
Disgusting.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AjzJtQSHbM4LlfRnPm6tFFa8vLYF?gid=2009050301
Great Year Mike. Now, come back to Manhattan. (for, like a few days)
anyone else think the bulls beat the celtics if they'd drafted mb instead of rose? :kstatriot:
yes and you're a little late http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=40293.msg554210#msg554210 (http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=40293.msg554210#msg554210)
guess it's just you and me on the same page bro
(quite disturbing for me fwiw)
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when they went into halftime of game 6 the sideline reporter asked how much it helped to have guys like Anthony and Beasley step up. seemed like Wade got a little perturbed when he heard Beasley's name and went on to give props to Anthony and Jones, but no mention of the guy who almost had a double-double at the half. almost seems like both DWade and ES have a problem with BEasy. can't really think of a team i'd like Mike to go to, maybe Portland or Houston, i dunno...
noticed that too... you forgot pat riley... the ultimate beasley hater
their beat writer ira winderman has been dropping hints for months... i think he's moved over the sumer for sure
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while Chalmers gets high before game 7.
Disgusting.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AjzJtQSHbM4LlfRnPm6tFFa8vLYF?gid=2009050301
Great Year Mike. Now, come back to Manhattan. (for, like a few days)
He is only averaging 3 more points a game than chalmers. And if Chalmers was smoking you know beasley was there too.
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3 more points per game . . . over the course of an entire NBA season.
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3 more points per game . . . over the course of an entire NBA season.
I would hope a person at his position would have more points then the guards.
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7 of the top 10 playoff scoring leaders . . . guards.
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7 of the top 10 playoff scoring leaders . . . guards.
Guards saving it up during the season?
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7 of the top 10 playoff scoring leaders . . . guards.
Guards saving it up during the season?
I guess not . . . 5 of the top 10 scoring leaders during the regular season . . . guards.
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3 more points per game . . . over the course of an entire NBA season.
Four more ppg while Chalmers plays eight more minutes than Beas.
Nice.
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when they went into halftime of game 6 the sideline reporter asked how much it helped to have guys like Anthony and Beasley step up. seemed like Wade got a little perturbed when he heard Beasley's name and went on to give props to Anthony and Jones, but no mention of the guy who almost had a double-double at the half. almost seems like both DWade and ES have a problem with BEasy. can't really think of a team i'd like Mike to go to, maybe Portland or Houston, i dunno...
noticed that too... you forgot pat riley... the ultimate beasley hater
their beat writer ira winderman has been dropping hints for months... i think he's moved over the sumer for sure
I'm not sure I buy this...
Riley talked negative about Mike pre-draft...my take is it was a ploy to encourage the Bulls to go with Rose. Pre-draft comments to reporters are not to be trusted...
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Pretty sure Chalmers starts because of his defense (top 5 in the NBA in steals), but don't let that get in the way of your circle jerk, 'Pad.
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Pointing out the facts on scoring (you see that's what the discussion with jayhawks was about . . . but I know you can't comprehend $hit Bentard) has something to do with Defense and a circle jerk??
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Pointing out the facts on scoring (you see that's what the discussion with jayhawks was about . . . but I know you can't comprehend $hit Bentard) has something to do with Defense and a circle jerk??
always so angry
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B-EZ played significantly better defense than chalm's in the playoffs. Chalm's got worked like a blow up doll at a frat house.
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B-EZ played significantly better defense than chalm's in the playoffs. Chalm's got worked like a blow up doll at a frat house.
The next time you contribute something of value with be the first.
:flush:
Apparently you weren't watching. You can deny it all you want, even someone watching basketball for the first time could see the disparity between the two defensive performances. Now quip away napoleon.
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Pointing out the facts on scoring (you see that's what the discussion with jayhawks was about . . . but I know you can't comprehend $hit Bentard) has something to do with Defense and a circle jerk??
always so angry
Not angry . . . just tired of his tardness chiming in on every little thing.
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Pointing out the facts on scoring (you see that's what the discussion with jayhawks was about . . . but I know you can't comprehend $hit Bentard) has something to do with Defense and a circle jerk??
always so angry
Not angry . . . just tired of his tardness chiming in on every little thing.
I see. I do not watch the NBA so forgive my lack of knowledge. Just reading it sounds like Mario had a pretty decent year for what was expected of him. Sounds like Beas had a great year. Bottom line they are both sitting at home right now cause of d-wade giving up. (from what JT The Brick tells me)
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B-EZ played significantly better defense than chalm's in the playoffs. Chalm's got worked like a blow up doll at a frat house.
The next time you contribute something of value with be the first.
:flush:
Apparently you weren't watching. You can deny it all you want, even someone watching basketball for the first time could see the disparity between the two defensive performances. Now quip away napoleon.
Steals per game (playoffs):
Chalmers - 2.9 spg
Beasley - 0.3 spg
:lol:
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B-EZ played significantly better defense than chalm's in the playoffs. Chalm's got worked like a blow up doll at a frat house.
The next time you contribute something of value with be the first.
:flush:
Apparently you weren't watching. You can deny it all you want, even someone watching basketball for the first time could see the disparity between the two defensive performances. Now quip away napoleon.
Steals per game (playoffs):
Chalmers - 2.9 spg
Beasley - 0.3 spg
:lol:
Keep holding on to that steals angle like it's a pacifier and keep ignoring all the other stats. Same ol' BMW.
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Playoffs:
B-EZ - 25.4 min - 5.9 def reb - .29 stl - 1.00 blk - 2.00 pf
Chalm's - 33.0 min - 1.9 def reb - 2.86 stl - .14 blk - 3.00 pf
Yup, you got me, he had more steals, too bad he played crap defense.
:bootyshake:
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Thanks for pointing out that big men get more blocks and rebounds than point guards. First of all, it's not disputable that Mario Chalmers starts because of his defense. It's not disputable that Mario Chalmers is top 5 in the NBA in steals as a rookie. Second, it's widely documented that the reason Michael Beasley didn't start for the Heat was because of his lack of defense. See it for yourself.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/43164242.html?page=2&c=y (http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/43164242.html?page=2&c=y)
Only nine months ago, shortly after Miami took him on draft night, Beasley made his NBA summer league debut without knowing anything about defense at the pro level. Offense came easily, since that's all he'd ever known. But to get into the rotation — especially in Miami, where defense is the top priority — he needed to learn how to defend.
"I needed to learn a lot," Beasley acknowledged.
So he worked and studied, then worked and studied some more. And soon, the rest of the NBA started taking notice in what Miami had in Beasley.
"That's part of learning the game, getting familiar with the league," Pistons coach Michael Curry said. "You knew right away this kid was going to be a scorer in this league and a rebounder. He was going to do those two things and he does them at a high level. I think defensively, in understanding the NBA game, he's gotten much better."
As Beasley started figuring out the defense, Spoelstra's confidence in him grew. With that came more playing time, and with that came even more respect from teammates in the locker room.
I rest my case.
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Thanks for posting an article that says his defense has improved greatly. Chalm's starts over a guy who wouldn't be a bench player for the clippers, whatever excuse spo gives is irrelevant to most observers.
You've rested my case as well. Thanks dude.
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Thanks for posting an article that says his defense has improved greatly. Chalm's starts over a guy who wouldn't be a bench player for the clippers, whatever excuse spo gives is irrelevant to most observers.
You've rested my case as well. Thanks dude.
His defense had no choice but to improve. It was awful. Hence the reason Beasley sat the bench the entire year.
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Sat on the bench the whole year except when he got on the floor and outscored most of the starters.
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Thanks for posting an article that says his defense has improved greatly. Chalm's starts over a guy who wouldn't be a bench player for the clippers, whatever excuse spo gives is irrelevant to most observers.
You've rested my case as well. Thanks dude.
His defense had no choice but to improve. It was awful. Hence the reason Beasley sat the bench the entire year.
Thanks for the concession, I'm glad you came over to my side.
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wut
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"So far, the Heat has three starting positions filled: Wade at shooting guard, Beasley at power forward and Jermaine O'Neal at center. To his credit, Mario Chalmers has exceeded expectations and filled in admirably in his rookie season. But he is not a starter on a team that wants to return to prominence. Riley will need to look for a veteran ball-handler who can relieve tremendous pressure off of Wade."
I guess Chalm's defensive breakdowns in the playoffs have made his bench player title permanent.
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Thanks for pointing out that big men get more blocks and rebounds than point guards. First of all, it's not disputable that Mario Chalmers starts because of his defense. It's not disputable that Mario Chalmers is top 5 in the NBA in steals as a rookie. Second, it's widely documented that the reason Michael Beasley didn't start for the Heat was because of his lack of defense. See it for yourself.
chalmers starts on a team desperate for a pg
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As I said earlier in this thread, Beasley needs to get the frack out of miami. I like the OKC deal FWIW. His D has improved and any coach with a brain would put him out there just for the points because he gets a crap ton when he gets to play. Also, WHO GIVES A FLYING frank ABOUT MARIO frankING CHALMERS?!
Edit:Trying to beat the server without using the traditional frank or frank or frank
Edit: Stop being a jerk, mmmkay ?
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great q and a from someone no more qualified than having been the beat writer for the heat all year long... covering all the practices, meetings, interviews, games and pressers...
...in marios defense
Q: I think Chalmers just needs to work on his footwork defensively and his 3-point shot on offense. He's not going to be a playmaking point guard with Wade, J.O. and Beasley creating for themselves and others. -- Jason.
A: Good points. Mario is who he is. Just as Damon Jones worked alongside Dwyane, so can Mario -- as long as his ability is not overstated. Almost no NBA team has five sure-fire answers in its starting lineup. What Mario is, is good enough for this team at this stage.
...a slap of reality re: mario
Q: Am I the only person in the country who can see that Chalmers is the best "defensive" rookie PG since The Glove? -- Kamo.
A: Yes, you are. Don't equate steals with defense. Even as a neophyte, Gary Payton could man up against his cover, instead of reaching for steals and leaving his position exposed.
...and a priceless question re: this years rookie performance of the top picks
Q: Erik Spoelstra and Pat Riley are transported to Chicago at the beginning of this season as coach and president, respectively, for the Bulls. Would Derrick Rose be the starting PG for the entire season or would he be backing up Kirk Hinrich? -- JoJo.
A: Wow, that's a great, great, great question. Usually, I'm not at a loss for answers (I try to provide five good ones seven days a week). But, wow, this one really got me thinking. You know, I don't know. I see the point you're making, and, yeah, to be honest, they probably would have played Derrick off the bench with a suitable veteran available in the rotation. So far, we have our winner for Question of the Year.
Yes, it got me thinking whether this whole veteran-oriented culture might be a bit too over the top. As many of you have pointed out, why push so hard for a top lottery pick in 2008 and then pull back the reins once that once-in-a-decade prospect arrives?
Had Derrick Rose been drafted by the Heat, of course he would have started, because Mario Chalmers started. But, yes, I'm not sure that if Kirk Hinrich was in the same backcourt whether that would have been the case.
Which team was right with its approach? Coming seasons will tell, as will the maturity of the Rose and Beasley.
...which makes ME think mike did about as well as he could with his situation AND i'm still leaning toward thinking he'll be moved this off-season
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Thanks for pointing out that big men get more blocks and rebounds than point guards. First of all, it's not disputable that Mario Chalmers starts because of his defense. It's not disputable that Mario Chalmers is top 5 in the NBA in steals as a rookie. Second, it's widely documented that the reason Michael Beasley didn't start for the Heat was because of his lack of defense. See it for yourself.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/43164242.html?page=2&c=y (http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/43164242.html?page=2&c=y)
Only nine months ago, shortly after Miami took him on draft night, Beasley made his NBA summer league debut without knowing anything about defense at the pro level. Offense came easily, since that's all he'd ever known. But to get into the rotation — especially in Miami, where defense is the top priority — he needed to learn how to defend.
"I needed to learn a lot," Beasley acknowledged.
So he worked and studied, then worked and studied some more. And soon, the rest of the NBA started taking notice in what Miami had in Beasley.
"That's part of learning the game, getting familiar with the league," Pistons coach Michael Curry said. "You knew right away this kid was going to be a scorer in this league and a rebounder. He was going to do those two things and he does them at a high level. I think defensively, in understanding the NBA game, he's gotten much better."
As Beasley started figuring out the defense, Spoelstra's confidence in him grew. With that came more playing time, and with that came even more respect from teammates in the locker room.
I rest my case.
Nice of you to "neglect" to mention the first page of that article.
Over a nine-day stretch, he scored 25 points against New Orleans, 23 at Boston, a career-best 28 points (with 16 rebounds) against New York, 23 points at Atlanta and then had 22 in just 19 minutes of Wednesday's finale against Detroit.
"Michael's probably the most confident guy in that room right now," Heat coach Erik Spoelstra said. "I don't know if it's naivety right now for what's coming. He still has a ways to go with things, but in a lot of ways, things are slowing down for him and I think that's where his confidence is coming from. He's not as confused. He's not as stressed out. He's not as bewildered defensively."
In other words, he's finding a groove.
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Thanks for pointing out that big men get more blocks and rebounds than point guards. First of all, it's not disputable that Mario Chalmers starts because of his defense. It's not disputable that Mario Chalmers is top 5 in the NBA in steals as a rookie. Second, it's widely documented that the reason Michael Beasley didn't start for the Heat was because of his lack of defense. See it for yourself.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/43164242.html?page=2&c=y (http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/43164242.html?page=2&c=y)
Only nine months ago, shortly after Miami took him on draft night, Beasley made his NBA summer league debut without knowing anything about defense at the pro level. Offense came easily, since that's all he'd ever known. But to get into the rotation — especially in Miami, where defense is the top priority — he needed to learn how to defend.
"I needed to learn a lot," Beasley acknowledged.
So he worked and studied, then worked and studied some more. And soon, the rest of the NBA started taking notice in what Miami had in Beasley.
"That's part of learning the game, getting familiar with the league," Pistons coach Michael Curry said. "You knew right away this kid was going to be a scorer in this league and a rebounder. He was going to do those two things and he does them at a high level. I think defensively, in understanding the NBA game, he's gotten much better."
As Beasley started figuring out the defense, Spoelstra's confidence in him grew. With that came more playing time, and with that came even more respect from teammates in the locker room.
I rest my case.
Nice of you to "neglect" to mention the first page of that article.
Over a nine-day stretch, he scored 25 points against New Orleans, 23 at Boston, a career-best 28 points (with 16 rebounds) against New York, 23 points at Atlanta and then had 22 in just 19 minutes of Wednesday's finale against Detroit.
"Michael's probably the most confident guy in that room right now," Heat coach Erik Spoelstra said. "I don't know if it's naivety right now for what's coming. He still has a ways to go with things, but in a lot of ways, things are slowing down for him and I think that's where his confidence is coming from. He's not as confused. He's not as stressed out. He's not as bewildered defensively."
In other words, he's was finding a groove.
FYP
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Pointing out the facts on scoring (you see that's what the discussion with jayhawks was about . . . but I know you can't comprehend $hit Bentard) has something to do with Defense and a circle jerk??
always so angry
Not angry . . . just tired of his tardness chiming in on every little thing.
I see. I do not watch the NBA so forgive my lack of knowledge. Just reading it sounds like Mario had a pretty decent year for what was expected of him. Sounds like Beas had a great year. Bottom line they are both sitting at home right now cause of d-wade giving up. (from what JT The Brick tells me)
JT the Brick is an idiot...in the Drew Gooden stratosphere of idiocy...
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Pointing out the facts on scoring (you see that's what the discussion with jayhawks was about . . . but I know you can't comprehend $hit Bentard) has something to do with Defense and a circle jerk??
always so angry
Not angry . . . just tired of his tardness chiming in on every little thing.
I see. I do not watch the NBA so forgive my lack of knowledge. Just reading it sounds like Mario had a pretty decent year for what was expected of him. Sounds like Beas had a great year. Bottom line they are both sitting at home right now cause of d-wade giving up. (from what JT The Brick tells me)
JT the Brick is an idiot...in the Drew Gooden stratosphere of idiocy...
maybe, but he's entertaining