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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: Saulbadguy on October 05, 2006, 08:58:39 PM
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That is all I can really think of right now. With all the crap surrounding the football program, we really have nowhere to go but up.
Here's to the Cats. Here's to a win.
Go State.
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I'll be there.
39 straight home games in attendence for me. (dating back to.....???)
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Oh, it can get a lot worse.
If you really look at it without being a drama queen, our only real problem is our lack of offense.
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Oh, it can get a lot worse.
If you really look at it without being a drama queen, our only real problem is our lack of offense.
Could it really get Duke-ish? I doubt it. IMO, this year, it couldn't get any worse. I don't expect to win another game. Actually, I don't even expect to really be in any games.
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Actually, I don't even expect to really be in any games.
you're alone.
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Actually, I don't even expect to really be in any games.
you're alone.
In your opinion, were we ever in the Baylor game?
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Actually, I don't even expect to really be in any games.
you're alone.
D is too good.
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Actually, I don't even expect to really be in any games.
you're alone.
D is too good.
They will keep us close in the 1st and 2nd quarter, but not so much in the 3rd and 4th.
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Actually, I don't even expect to really be in any games.
you're alone.
In your opinion, were we ever in the Baylor game?
Yes.
Actually, I don't even expect to really be in any games.
you're alone.
D is too good.
They will keep us close in the 1st and 2nd quarter, but not so much in the 3rd and 4th.
Disagree.
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In Sol-Glo we trust.
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Saul, I don't think we were ever in the Baylor game. Once it was 14-3...we pretty much knew it was over.
I'm banking on the fact that I really think this D is top 30/25...and the Offense will have a few good games.
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Actually, I don't even expect to really be in any games.
you're alone.
In your opinion, were we ever in the Baylor game?
Yes.
Actually, I don't even expect to really be in any games.
you're alone.
D is too good.
They will keep us close in the 1st and 2nd quarter, but not so much in the 3rd and 4th.
Disagree.
We put a pretty impressive drive together in the 1st half which resulted in Thomas Clayton fumbling near the goal line. I knew we would lose then. That is just too demoralizing, and it seems that this team does not respond well to that.
Maybe i'm over reacting, but I think it will be a reach for this team to win another game, let alone 3.
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Saul, I don't think we were ever in the Baylor game. Once it was 14-3...we pretty much knew it was over.
I'm banking on the fact that I really think this D is top 30/25...and the Offense will have a few good games.
The thing is, we still had two turnovers inside the ten after it was 17-3. If you keep games close, you are never out of it. A pick six or a punt return can change a game like that pretty quickly.
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Maybe i'm over reacting, but I think it will be a reach for this team to win another game, let alone 3.
CU is worse than us.
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Maybe i'm over reacting, but I think it will be a reach for this team to win another game, let alone 3.
CU is worse than us.
So is Baylor.
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Maybe i'm over reacting, but I think it will be a reach for this team to win another game, let alone 3.
CU is worse than us.
By the time we face them, I think they'll have their act together, and we play in Boulder which hasn't been a place we've had any success. Maybe it'll be a battle to see who goes winless in the conference.
I don't expect to win another game. We'll have a turnover machine for a QB (not an indictment of his talent, rather just the reality of playing behind the worst offensive line this side of pop warner football and being a freshman). And I don't think the defense will be able to hold up all game, although they should keep it close through 3 quarters.
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Maybe i'm over reacting, but I think it will be a reach for this team to win another game, let alone 3.
CU is worse than us.
By the time we face them, I think they'll have their act together, and we play in Boulder which hasn't been a place we've had any success. Maybe it'll be a battle to see who goes winless in the conference.
I don't expect to win another game. We'll have a turnover machine for a QB (not an indictment of his talent, rather just the reality of playing behind the worst offensive line this side of pop warner football and being a freshman). And I don't think the defense will be able to hold up all game, although they should keep it close through 3 quarters.
Why wouldn't KSU improve, too?
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Maybe i'm over reacting, but I think it will be a reach for this team to win another game, let alone 3.
CU is worse than us.
By the time we face them, I think they'll have their act together, and we play in Boulder which hasn't been a place we've had any success. Maybe it'll be a battle to see who goes winless in the conference.
I don't expect to win another game. We'll have a turnover machine for a QB (not an indictment of his talent, rather just the reality of playing behind the worst offensive line this side of pop warner football and being a freshman). And I don't think the defense will be able to hold up all game, although they should keep it close through 3 quarters.
Why wouldn't KSU improve, too?
I think CU is better than us right now. I thought they looked more impressive their past two games than we have. I don't think we'll see Freeman's progress or improvement until next season. Pretty much, the Baylor game has me soured.
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Maybe i'm over reacting, but I think it will be a reach for this team to win another game, let alone 3.
CU is worse than us.
By the time we face them, I think they'll have their act together, and we play in Boulder which hasn't been a place we've had any success. Maybe it'll be a battle to see who goes winless in the conference.
I don't expect to win another game. We'll have a turnover machine for a QB (not an indictment of his talent, rather just the reality of playing behind the worst offensive line this side of pop warner football and being a freshman). And I don't think the defense will be able to hold up all game, although they should keep it close through 3 quarters.
Why wouldn't KSU improve, too?
I think CU is better than us right now. I thought they looked more impressive their past two games than we have. I don't think we'll see Freeman's progress or improvement until next season. Pretty much, the Baylor game has me soured.
Only difference between us and cu is they aren't turning it over and our D is better.
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CU typically seems to have superior atheletes that like to step it up a notch when they play us (as opposed to how they typically play in their non-conference games). I agree with zackcatman that they've played better in the past two weeks. They played UGA at UGA better than we played Louisville at home. And they played better against MU than we played against Baylor. Jackson looks like a pretty effective playmaker. Meier looked pretty awful. Just how many points can our offense score, anyway? Can the defense pitch a shutout? They're pretty good, but not nearly that good.
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a lot of positivity from rusty in this thread and its messing with my head.
oh and fatty, if you really have been to 39 straight, that would make the louisiana tech game in 2001 your first home game (NOT counting the bca classic at arrowhead in 2003).
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a lot of positivity from rusty in this thread and its messing with my head.
Don't be mistaken...I still think we go 4-8/5-7.
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CU is better than us. They've got a better group of players and seem to be playing better each week. And for the first time ever I think our program rates higher on the drama scale.
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Actually, I don't even expect to really be in any games.
you're alone.
In your opinion, were we ever in the Baylor game?
0-0 and we fumble on Baylor's 10.
7-3 at halftime and we're playing like dookie..
14-3 and Freeman throws a perfect pass. Had we not fumbled..it's a 4 point game with plenty of time left...
So, yes, we were in it until Figurs fumbled...then it was over. I shut off the radio after that.
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Honestly I think we were in the Baylor game right up to the point Josh Freeman took his first snap. It was over at that point we had no chance to win with him and our players knew it. You can't throw 3 interceptions in a half and beat anyone.
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Honestly I think we were in the Baylor game right up to the point Josh Freeman took his first snap. It was over at that point we had no chance to win with him and our players knew it. You can't throw 3 interceptions in a half and beat anyone.
I agree. We were moving the ball with ease up to that point, and Dylan Meier has proven himself to be a very effective QB time and time again.
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Honestly I think we were in the Baylor game right up to the point Josh Freeman took his first snap. It was over at that point we had no chance to win with him and our players knew it. You can't throw 3 interceptions in a half and beat anyone.
I agree. We were moving the ball with ease up to that point, and Dylan Meier has proven himself to be a very effective QB time and time again.
IMO, Meier is the best QB for the type of defense we have. He really won't make mistakes (or atleast as many as Freeman) and that'll always "keep us in the game". Freeman threw as many picks in 2 quarters as Meier did in 5 games. I don't see Freeman as the "solution" to our problems; so what if he throws for 250 if he turns the ball over? So if Freeman isn't the solution, then the only reason to make the change is because the season is being conceded and we're getting ready for next year.
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Honestly I think we were in the Baylor game right up to the point Josh Freeman took his first snap. It was over at that point we had no chance to win with him and our players knew it. You can't throw 3 interceptions in a half and beat anyone.
I agree. We were moving the ball with ease up to that point, and Dylan Meier has proven himself to be a very effective QB time and time again.
IMO, Meier is the best QB for the type of defense we have. He really won't make mistakes (or atleast as many as Freeman) and that'll always "keep us in the game". Freeman threw as many picks in 2 quarters as Meier did in 5 games. I don't see Freeman as the "solution" to our problems; so what if he throws for 250 if he turns the ball over? So if Freeman isn't the solution, then the only reason to make the change is because the season is being conceded and we're getting ready for next year.
I see your point...but what good is having "only" 1 or 2 costly INT's if you can't put the ball in the end zone.
Freeman = playing to win
Meier = playing to not lose
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Honestly I think we were in the Baylor game right up to the point Josh Freeman took his first snap. It was over at that point we had no chance to win with him and our players knew it. You can't throw 3 interceptions in a half and beat anyone.
I agree. We were moving the ball with ease up to that point, and Dylan Meier has proven himself to be a very effective QB time and time again.
IMO, Meier is the best QB for the type of defense we have. He really won't make mistakes (or atleast as many as Freeman) and that'll always "keep us in the game". Freeman threw as many picks in 2 quarters as Meier did in 5 games. I don't see Freeman as the "solution" to our problems; so what if he throws for 250 if he turns the ball over? So if Freeman isn't the solution, then the only reason to make the change is because the season is being conceded and we're getting ready for next year.
I see your point...but what good is having "only" 1 or 2 costly INT's if you can't put the ball in the end zone.
Freeman = playing to win
Meier = playing to not lose
Freeman had
I agree that Meier = playing not to lose, I'm just saying that with this defense, that might be the way to go if you want to win a few more games this year.
Freeman = playing to win....next season
Which is fine by me, we don't have an offensive line so really, it won't really matter who we throw back there. Build for next year and hope that our defensive players don't get injured or they'll be kicked off the team.
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I agree that Meier = playing not to lose, I'm just saying that with this defense, that might be the way to go if you want to win a few more games this year.
Freeman = playing to win....next season
Which is fine by me, we don't have an offensive line so really, it won't really matter who we throw back there. Build for next year and hope that our defensive players don't get injured or they'll be kicked off the team.
To me, our defense also allows us to play Freeman and cover up for his turnovers...they will hold a lot of teams to FG's rather than TD's if turnovers are deep in our territory.
I will take my chances with a 275 yard, 3 int, 2 TD performance vs. a 175 yard, 1 int, 0 TD performance.
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I'm with Rusty here. If we had any consistent running game, I'd agree with playing Meier, but we don't. I think the risk/reward on the scoreboard is more in our favor, both for this year and in the future with Freeman behind center.
Say what you will, but I think you've got to give Prince credit for sticking with his plan. It might've been easy to come in with a more "traditional" offense, with a power running game etc. and perhaps win more this year with Meier. But then you're going through the same growing pains next year when you impliment the new stuff. If he can get it to work, in the long run doing what he's doing this year will pay bigger dividends. The move of Freeman to #1 after the Baylor loss makes more sense under this plan as well IMO. We'll just have to wait and see if it works.
While I think there has probably been some surprises for Prince, some he handled better than others, I still think he's following his plan for the program and not just making stuff up as he goes. Granted, I think he's learning a ton and his inexperience is showing, but I think there is a plan and he's trying to stay with it as much as possible.
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I'm with Rusty here. If we had any consistent running game, I'd agree with playing Meier, but we don't. I think the risk/reward on the scoreboard is more in our favor, both for this year and in the future with Freeman behind center.
Say what you will, but I think you've got to give Prince credit for sticking with his plan. It might've been easy to come in with a more "traditional" offense, with a power running game etc. and perhaps win more this year with Meier. But then you're going through the same growing pains next year when you impliment the new stuff. If he can get it to work, in the long run doing what he's doing this year will pay bigger dividends. The move of Freeman to #1 after the Baylor loss makes more sense under this plan as well IMO. We'll just have to wait and see if it works.
While I think there has probably been some surprises for Prince, some he handled better than others, I still think he's following his plan for the program and not just making stuff up as he goes. Granted, I think he's learning a ton and his inexperience is showing, but I think there is a plan and he's trying to stay with it as much as possible.
Freeman's ability to spread the field and pull some of their defenders out of the box should help our running game get established. Agree?
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It should. The threat to go vertical will hopefully force defenses to pull one out of the box, but Freeman will still have to prove himself. I think the next couple weeks we'll still see defenses load up the box and blitz a ton until Freeman and this offense show the ability to burn them. Granted, I don't think Meier had the arm to do that at all, but his intelligence kept him in the game. I think now Prince is showing he's willing to live through some mistakes to see if we can indeed exploit defenses and open things up. I also hope he's willing to impliment some more motions, shifts, and formations to go along with that. Should be an interesting game to watch saturday to see what we do.
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It should. The threat to go vertical will hopefully force defenses to pull one out of the box, but Freeman will still have to prove himself.
Agreed. If he doesn't connect on at least a few of his attempts they will ignore him and reload the box.
I think the next couple weeks we'll still see defenses load up the box and blitz a ton until Freeman and this offense show the ability to burn them.
Defenses were doing this to DM by default, Baylor was running 9 in the box at times. This is a big reason Freeman saw the field.
I think now Prince is showing he's willing to live through some mistakes to see if we can indeed exploit defenses and open things up.
Our options are limited right now, actually, we don't really have any if you think about it. Our Oline cannot establish the run without the QB's help. They're just not good enough. Prince saw that and realized that after Baylor the defenses were only going to get tougher. Let's get Soul-Glo in now, some experience against a weaker OSU team, and hopefully we'll be able to have some sort of a threat by the time NU comes calling.
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Let's get Soul-Glo in now, some experience against a weaker OSU team, and hopefully we'll be able to have some sort of a threat by the time NU comes calling.
That's exactly correct. There is no better week to start him than this. The only other week to start him would've been the 1st one, and I'm sure he wasn't ready then. He might not be completely there now, but the benefits of going with Freeman outweigh the negatives right now. Hopefully he can make a few plays and light a fire under this offense. Or at least get it smoldering.
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I also hope he's willing to impliment some more motions, shifts, and formations to go along with that.
This has been talked about before, but this facet of the game (or lack thereof) is simply amazing to me. I hope Josh is allowed the time to throw the ball down the field.
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If you really look at it without being a drama queen, our only real problem is our lack of offense
A win is real good deodorant.
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Let's get Soul-Glo in now, some experience against a weaker OSU team, and hopefully we'll be able to have some sort of a threat by the time NU comes calling.
That's exactly correct. There is no better week to start him than this. The only other week to start him would've been the 1st one, and I'm sure he wasn't ready then. He might not be completely there now, but the benefits of going with Freeman outweigh the negatives right now. Hopefully he can make a few plays and light a fire under this offense. Or at least get it smoldering.
Agree with both comments. I thought last week at Baylor was a bad situation for Josh. We were on the road and behind playing against a pretty good defense with an experienced secondary. I'll stand by my comments in that game Dylan gave us the best chance to win and Josh had little chance. That might not be the case in the future but I think for that game on the road with Baylor's past record our best chance was to stay with the senior not mistakes and hope tht Baylor would self implode like they had in all their other close games this season.
I like the set up better for Josh vs. Oklahoma State. We're at home and their defense isn't as good as Baylor's. Plus he's had a full week to prepare and the other players have had a week to get used to him as the QB.
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Agree with both comments. I thought last week at Baylor was a bad situation for Josh. We were on the road and behind playing against a pretty good defense with an experienced secondary. I'll stand by my comments in that game Dylan gave us the best chance to win and Josh had little chance. That might not be the case in the future but I think for that game on the road with Baylor's past record our best chance was to stay with the senior not mistakes and hope tht Baylor would self implode like they had in all their other close games this season.
I like the set up better for Josh vs. Oklahoma State. We're at home and their defense isn't as good as Baylor's. Plus he's had a full week to prepare and the other players have had a week to get used to him as the QB.
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