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Title: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: The1BigWillie on March 03, 2009, 07:54:11 AM
http://www.kansas.com/sports/story/718976.html (http://www.kansas.com/sports/story/718976.html)

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The NBA is his dream, and he plans to listen to feedback this season, possibly entering his name in the draft to gauge what areas the pros believe he needs to address. Alvarez, who likens Clemente to San Antonio's Tony Parker, said Clemente will definitely....
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Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: michigancat on March 03, 2009, 07:58:57 AM
Come on down, John Wall!  :ksu:
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: RonLongshaft on March 03, 2009, 08:00:23 AM
you left something out

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Alvarez, who likens Clemente to San Antonio's Tony Parker, said Clemente will definitely return for his senior season, when the Wildcats, with the addition of Connecticut transfer Curtis Kelly and high school All-American Wally Judge, should be much better.

"Trying to be a leader, how you run a team -- that's what the scouts look at," Clemente said.

"It's what decisions you make."
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: fatty fat fat on March 03, 2009, 08:05:19 AM
read the article, maybe?  :confused:
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: doom on March 03, 2009, 08:18:15 AM
I'm all for it.  We'd miss him, but holy crap would we look like an NBA goldmine!  He probably needs to come back though. 
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 03, 2009, 08:21:25 AM
You let Denis do all the testing he wants. 

Someone tell me what is bad about having players look into or get drafted by the NBA?  The more this becomes a trend, the better.
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: mcmwcat on March 03, 2009, 08:32:13 AM
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Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on March 03, 2009, 09:17:27 AM
You let Denis do all the testing he wants. 

Someone tell me what is bad about having players look into or get drafted by the NBA?  The more this becomes a trend, the better.

Personally, I'd rather not lose our best player, particularly without an obvious replacement.

Call me crazy, I guess!
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: mcmwcat on March 03, 2009, 10:51:16 AM
You let Denis do all the testing he wants. 

Someone tell me what is bad about having players look into or get drafted by the NBA?  The more this becomes a trend, the better.

Personally, I'd rather not lose our best player, particularly without an obvious replacement.

Call me crazy, I guess!

the trend being having players that are capable of leaving early for the nba.  if you can't see that's a good trend then stfu
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: ArchE_Cat on March 03, 2009, 11:00:35 AM
NBA scouts talking about or visiting Manhattan = recruiting advantage
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: Oklahoma_Cat on March 03, 2009, 11:16:41 AM
you left something out

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Alvarez, who likens Clemente to San Antonio's Tony Parker, said Clemente will definitely return for his senior season, when the Wildcats, with the addition of Connecticut transfer Curtis Kelly and high school All-American Wally Judge, should be much better.

"Trying to be a leader, how you run a team -- that's what the scouts look at," Clemente said.

"It's what decisions you make."

LOL

All the tards going  :runaway: about nothing.
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: wescoe on March 03, 2009, 11:34:49 AM
I don't think you ever have to worry about the guy who got punked by morningstar to ever make an NBA roster
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: pissclams on March 03, 2009, 11:35:59 AM
he didn't get punked by morningdouche, jeez  :runaway:
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: Oklahoma_Cat on March 03, 2009, 11:36:45 AM
cheap shot to nuts = punked?

i punked a guy in the 4th grade once, then.  pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: mcmwcat on March 03, 2009, 11:53:49 AM
I don't think you ever have to worry about the guy who got punked by morningstar to ever make an NBA roster

fyp

26 pts, 5 reb, 3 ass, 1 stl, 1 to

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Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: ksutwisted on March 03, 2009, 12:06:25 PM
What are the odds of Denis getting drafted following next season?  Was that even mentioned prior to him coming to KSU? 
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: EmporiaWildcat on March 03, 2009, 12:16:06 PM
He'd be crazy to leave after this year.  Let him play next year with more talent around him and he'll look/be even better.
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: yoga-lika_abana on March 03, 2009, 12:25:02 PM
He'd be crazy to leave after this year.  Let him play next year with more talent around him and he'll look/be even better.
lol you probably said the same thing about Bill Walker didn't you.
let denis do whats good for denis.
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: nicname on March 03, 2009, 12:55:13 PM
Good, why wouldn't he "test the waters."  Anyone who whines about this stuff is just a selfish fanboy prick.  I hope all of our players make it to the NBA or have some other type of success.  If he goes, well it smarts but we'll have guys to fill in his shoes. 

I thought Walker would have benifitted more from staying another year, but it is his decision.  Why not just be happy for them.  Though i do think walker would have had a 20 and 10 season this year and a first round pick in the draft.

Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: Oklahoma_Cat on March 03, 2009, 01:04:34 PM
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Alvarez, who likens Clemente to San Antonio's Tony Parker, said Clemente will definitely return for his senior season, when the Wildcats, with the addition of Connecticut transfer Curtis Kelly and high school All-American Wally Judge, should be much better.

Good lord, you guys are selective readers.
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: RonLongshaft on March 03, 2009, 01:15:40 PM
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Alvarez, who likens Clemente to San Antonio's Tony Parker, said Clemente will definitely return for his senior season, when the Wildcats, with the addition of Connecticut transfer Curtis Kelly and high school All-American Wally Judge, should be much better.

Good lord, you guys are selective readers.

QFT OK


you left something out

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Alvarez, who likens Clemente to San Antonio's Tony Parker, said Clemente will definitely return for his senior season, when the Wildcats, with the addition of Connecticut transfer Curtis Kelly and high school All-American Wally Judge, should be much better.

"Trying to be a leader, how you run a team -- that's what the scouts look at," Clemente said.

"It's what decisions you make."
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 03, 2009, 01:17:11 PM
Good, why wouldn't he "test the waters."  Anyone who whines about this stuff is just a selfish fanboy prick.

Then consider me a selfish fanboy prick, because I definitely want Denis back next year.  But on the bright side, if he did bolt to the pros, it would up my total of facebook friends who are NBA players two two.

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Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: Oklahoma_Cat on March 03, 2009, 01:18:19 PM
I already "QFT'th'd" you, RonLongShaft.  Just trying to help them out by posting it again.
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: RonLongshaft on March 03, 2009, 01:21:56 PM
I already "QFT'th'd" you, RonLongShaft.  Just trying to help them out by posting it again.

my bad, just got home from class and selectively read bout the last 3 post.. :dunno:  :rofl:
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: EmporiaWildcat on March 03, 2009, 01:46:04 PM
He'd be crazy to leave after this year.  Let him play next year with more talent around him and he'll look/be even better.
lol you probably said the same thing about Bill Walker didn't you.
let denis do whats good for denis.

Sure did.  This team would be two Big 12 games better with Walker.  And I bet we would have won at least one of the non games against the BCS teams too.
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: RonLongshaft on March 03, 2009, 01:47:09 PM
He'd be crazy to leave after this year.  Let him play next year with more talent around him and he'll look/be even better.
lol you probably said the same thing about Bill Walker didn't you.
let denis do whats good for denis.

Sure did.  This team would be two Big 12 games better with Walker.  And I bet we would have won at least one of the non games against the BCS teams too.

Thats whats better for the team and school, not whats better for Bill, in Bills mind.
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: Skydog on March 03, 2009, 02:05:07 PM
Denis is a wonderful human being.
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: ksutwisted on March 03, 2009, 02:22:09 PM
What are the odds of Denis getting drafted following next season?  Was that even mentioned prior to him coming to KSU? 

Post again...  what do you all think are the odds of Denis getting drafted after the '09/'10 season?  Asking because I don't remember hearing anything about his pro potential prior to now.  Has he always been looked at as a possible NBA player, or is this the product of Frank/'walt/etc.?
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: 1albatross on March 03, 2009, 02:38:58 PM
What are the odds of Denis getting drafted following next season?  Was that even mentioned prior to him coming to KSU? 

Post again...  what do you all think are the odds of Denis getting drafted after the '09/'10 season?  Asking because I don't remember hearing anything about his pro potential prior to now.  Has he always been looked at as a possible NBA player, or is this the product of Frank/'walt/etc.?

I think Denis came into this season as somewhat of an unknown.  Pretty much the way scouts look at players that are dismissed from teams for undiscloesed reasons imo.

Denis has shown to possibly have pro potential, but he needs to find the right speed to play at.  He is much quicker than everyone KSU surrounds him with.  It also doesn't help to have the bigs that we have as they are not the best at posting up and finishing thus making a lack of assists for Denis.  Next year should be better with Judge, (but we need to remember he will only be a freshman) and Kelly (Hopefully he will show the same development that Denis has shown after his transfer).

I think it is great if he tests the waters so he can find out what he needs to work on for the next year.  He definitely isn't ready for the league next year, but neither was Walker.  I sure can't blame a kid for following his dream though. 
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: EmporiaWildcat on March 03, 2009, 05:47:59 PM
He'd be crazy to leave after this year.  Let him play next year with more talent around him and he'll look/be even better.
lol you probably said the same thing about Bill Walker didn't you.
let denis do whats good for denis.

Sure did.  This team would be two Big 12 games better with Walker.  And I bet we would have won at least one of the non games against the BCS teams too.

Thats whats better for the team and school, not whats better for Bill, in Bills mind.

This is true.  I put the needs of the team and school before the needs of one dude.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Denis to test the waters???
Post by: doom on March 03, 2009, 06:00:27 PM
What are the odds of Denis getting drafted following next season?  Was that even mentioned prior to him coming to KSU? 

Post again...  what do you all think are the odds of Denis getting drafted after the '09/'10 season?  Asking because I don't remember hearing anything about his pro potential prior to now.  Has he always been looked at as a possible NBA player, or is this the product of Frank/'walt/etc.?

I think Denis came into this season as somewhat of an unknown.  Pretty much the way scouts look at players that are dismissed from teams for undiscloesed reasons imo.

Denis has shown to possibly have pro potential, but he needs to find the right speed to play at.  He is much quicker than everyone KSU surrounds him with.  It also doesn't help to have the bigs that we have as they are not the best at posting up and finishing thus making a lack of assists for Denis.  Next year should be better with Judge, (but we need to remember he will only be a freshman) and Kelly (Hopefully he will show the same development that Denis has shown after his transfer).

I think it is great if he tests the waters so he can find out what he needs to work on for the next year.  He definitely isn't ready for the league next year, but neither was Walker.  I sure can't blame a kid for following his dream though. 

He wasn't in a situation in Miami that was working for him or that he was working for so I don't think people knew how good he can be.  I've seen him adjust his speed and play at a competitive level ever since coming off of the losing streak.  He has shown an ability to lead the team and to score the ball.  I could see him getting taken in the early second round next year.  His stock could be inflated a few spots also due to his position.  I like his idea of testing the waters, especially since you can only do it once time, and he's choosing to do it between his junior and senior year.