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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: cas on March 01, 2009, 12:44:54 PM
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Look at it this way. Most everybody agrees that the Big 12 is a 5 bid league.
Locks:
ku
OU
MU
Would take a monumental collapse:
UT
Teams in contention for the "5th bid":
OSU
A&M
KSU
With a win over OSU that would give us a win over all of the other teams in our conference, and even more convincing enough all of those wins were on the road. One of the three (OSU, A&M, UT) we will see in the quarters at OKC, with another win there that would lock it up.
I just found this kinda interesting, didn't realize this before last night. It probably won't come down to picking teams inside the Big 12, but different conferences but nonetheless interesting.
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they will kill us, get over it
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they will kill us, get over it
Refuse to.
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why torture yourself ?
I guess unless you want to meltdown. I have accepted it, and no sadness can come for me, only elation if we somehow won
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why torture yourself ?
I guess unless you want to meltdown. I have accepted it, and no sadness can come for me, only elation if we somehow won
I bet you married a fat chick.
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Look at it this way. Most everybody agrees that the Big 12 is a 5 bid league.
Locks:
ku
OU
MU
Would take a monumental collapse:
UT
Teams in contention for the "5th bid":
OSU
A&M
KSU
With a win over OSU that would give us a win over all of the other teams in our conference, and even more convincing enough all of those wins were on the road. One of the three (OSU, A&M, UT) we will see in the quarters at OKC, with another win there that would lock it up.
I just found this kinda interesting, didn't realize this before last night. It probably won't come down to picking teams inside the Big 12, but different conferences but nonetheless interesting.
I agree. Tuesday is a play in game.
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We won't make the tournament
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why torture yourself ?
I guess unless you want to meltdown. I have accepted it, and no sadness can come for me, only elation if we somehow won
I bet you married a fat chick.
only 20 :dunno:
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We won't make the tournament
Agreed.
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A&M is going to be in.
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Gotta beat OSU to help our chances and knock them off of the bubble. They also have to go to Norman next Saturday.
I believe it will take wins over OSU & CU. Then a win over Texas or OSU in the second round of the Big XII tourney.
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why torture yourself ?
I guess unless you want to meltdown. I have accepted it, and no sadness can come for me, only elation if we somehow won
jesus you are such a b*tch
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Gotta beat OSU to help our chances and knock them off of the bubble. They also have to go to Norman next Saturday.
I believe it will take wins over OSU & CU. Then a win over Texas or OSU in the second round of the Big XII tourney.
I agree. That would lock it up. I think that if we lost in the quarters we would probably on the wrong side of the bubble.
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Look at it this way. Most everybody agrees that the Big 12 is a 5 bid league.
Locks:
ku
OU
MU
Would take a monumental collapse:
UT
Teams in contention for the "5th bid":
OSU
A&M
KSU
With a win over OSU that would give us a win over all of the other teams in our conference, and even more convincing enough all of those wins were on the road. One of the three (OSU, A&M, UT) we will see in the quarters at OKC, with another win there that would lock it up.
I just found this kinda interesting, didn't realize this before last night. It probably won't come down to picking teams inside the Big 12, but different conferences but nonetheless interesting.
us getting in doesn't have anything to do with us winning against the other teams vying for the 5th spot, it has to do with who we didn't play that hurts our chances.
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scenario: :powertard:
K-State wins out finishes 10-6, locks up 4th seed
UT loses out (BU, uk), finishes 8-8, 6-4 vs. the south
OSU loses out (KSU, OU), finishes 8-8, 5-5 vs. the south
aTm goes 1-1 (CU-W, MU-L), finishes 8-8, 5-5 vs. the south
NU wins out (ISU, BU), finishes 8-8, win over UT, losses to OSU and aTm
How are seeds 5-8 determined?
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Seeding for the Championship will be based upon regular-season competition. The winner of the postseason basketball championship shall be declared the Big 12 automatic qualifier to the NCAA Championship. A team ineligible under NCAA or Big 12 rules for postseason competition shall not compete in the championship.
The four teams with the best records (based upon winning percentage) in 16 Conference games shall earn first-round byes. After the four teams have been awarded first-round byes and ranked as the No. 1 through No. 4 seeds, all remaining teams will be ranked in order No. 5 through No. 12 for seeding in the championship.
Tiebreakers - The first criteria in the breaking of ties in the standings shall be head-to-head competition of tied teams. The following procedure will be used to establish the championship seeds if ties exist. (For tiebreaking procedures teams will be grouped in two divisions based upon established guidelines. Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri and Nebraska are in one division and Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech are in the other division.)
(a) If two teams are tied and they are from different divisions, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the higher seed.
(b) If two teams are tied and they are from the same division, the team with an advantage in head-to-head competition shall be the higher seed.
(c) If two teams remain tied, there will be a comparison of overall record against division teams only (10 divisional games).
(d) If two teams remain tied, there will be a comparison of record against the highest ranked team(s) (based upon Conference winning percentage) in the division and proceeding through in order of divisional record.
(e) If two teams remain tied, there will be a *comparison of record against the highest ranked team(s) (based upon Conference winning percentage) in the opposite division and proceeding through in order of divisional record.
(f) If two teams remain tied, the higher seed will be chosen by draw.
(g) If three or more teams are tied, ties among divisional opponents will be broken first by using steps (b) through (f) and the head-to-head results will be used to break ties between non-divisional teams. When three or more teams from the same division are tied step (b) will consist of a mini- round robin among the tied teams. At any point during the process of breaking ties among three or more teams that the number of tied teams are reduced to two, head-to-head competition would be used as the primary tie-breaker, followed-by steps (c) through (f).
Note: When comparing against the "highest ranked team(s)" in either division, the comparison will be based upon how tied teams did against all teams in a given placement, rather than a team that wins a tiebreaker at another position. For example, if two teams are tied for fifth and two teams are tied for first, the head-to-head comparison would be how the fifth place teams did against the first place teams combined, and vice-versa.
Draw - In the event tiebreaking procedures are unsuccessful and a draw is necessary in determining seeding, the following procedure will be used:
(a) The drawing will be conducted in public or with media attendance
(b) Institutions involved in the drawing have the right to have a local representative in attendance at the drawing
(c) A single slip of paper with names representing each of the tied institutions will be placed into a container and will be drawn in order of seeding from highest (#1) to lowest (#12)
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I think it takes an OSU win and a 4th seed tourney win to get us in
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I think we are going to have to win our next 3 games to make it.
Even at 10-6 and being 4th, i think we need to do more.
Right now we only have 5 wins over top 100 teams (not good). If we beat OK St and Texas, that would give us 2 more wins over top 50 teams and make our record 5-4 vs the top 50 rpi
At 10-6, winning 10 of our last 12 games is going to give us a great boost (plus going 5-1 on road down the stretch), but the high rpi and lack of top 100 wins still has me thinking that we must beat Texas too.
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still can't believe 'tardi has OSU in. Their best win is Siena, al the others are the same as ours 'cept we beat MU. MU's a better win than Siena. Not sayin that we should be in, but compared to OSU we should be.
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I'd rather get the 5 seed than the 4 in OKC. As the 5 seed, you get play Colorado first day. You also have another game to play, adding to your win total.
Look at the 2007 Tournament. Wouldn't you rather have been the 5 seed instead of the 4?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Big_12_Men%27s_Basketball_Tournament#Bracket
Take the 5 seed, get the extra W.
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A lot of people are saying that the Big 12 will only get 4 teams in.
Also, losing to Oregon just looks down right ugly. That loss is murdering our RPI.
http://www.bbstate.com/schools/KSU/sheet
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you'd rather have the 5 seed? seriously, stop being a clown
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you'd rather have the 5 seed? seriously, stop being a clown
he's a ku sock dude :nono:
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I'd rather get the 5 seed than the 4 in OKC. As the 5 seed, you get play Colorado first day. You also have another game to play, adding to your win total.
Look at the 2007 Tournament. Wouldn't you rather have been the 5 seed instead of the 4?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Big_12_Men%27s_Basketball_Tournament#Bracket
Take the 5 seed, get the extra W.
Where do people get this. Do you really think a win over a >150 RPI CU team would mean anything right now?
This is one of the worst bubble talking points in existence.
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If we win all the remaining games including postseason we will win the NC. Just sayin
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thats a good point, nobody is talking about us winning out the rest of the way :ksu:
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Gotta beat OSU to help our chances and knock them off of the bubble. They also have to go to Norman next Saturday.
I believe it will take wins over OSU & CU. Then a win over Texas or OSU in the second round of the Big XII tourney.
this is where i am as well... where does that put us then, 24-10 with a closing streak (hot or not) of 12-3? to not be in with those facts and the big12 only having three in the dance would be worthy of major questioning... to not be in and have four taken and one not be us considering as someone said earlier, either texas, okie-lt or aTm would presumably be in even though we beat them once or even twice... would be worthy of a legitimate meltdown
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scenario: :powertard:
K-State wins out finishes 10-6, locks up 4th seed
UT loses out (BU, uk), finishes 8-8, 6-4 vs. the south
OSU loses out (KSU, OU), finishes 8-8, 5-5 vs. the south
aTm goes 1-1 (CU-W, MU-L), finishes 8-8, 5-5 vs. the south
NU wins out (ISU, BU), finishes 8-8, win over UT, losses to OSU and aTm
How are seeds 5-8 determined?
no way ut falls to baylor...jus sayin
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scenario: :powertard:
K-State wins out finishes 10-6, locks up 4th seed
UT loses out (BU, uk), finishes 8-8, 6-4 vs. the south
OSU loses out (KSU, OU), finishes 8-8, 5-5 vs. the south
aTm goes 1-1 (CU-W, MU-L), finishes 8-8, 5-5 vs. the south
NU wins out (ISU, BU), finishes 8-8, win over UT, losses to OSU and aTm
How are seeds 5-8 determined?
no way ut falls to baylor...jus sayin
yeah it's doubtful, but Baylor has the ability to beat anybody if they are hitting their shots. It's just a redic scenario, but if it played out that way a second round match-up with NU (or CU) would be nice.
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scenario: :powertard:
K-State wins out finishes 10-6, locks up 4th seed
UT loses out (BU, uk), finishes 8-8, 6-4 vs. the south
OSU loses out (KSU, OU), finishes 8-8, 5-5 vs. the south
aTm goes 1-1 (CU-W, MU-L), finishes 8-8, 5-5 vs. the south
NU wins out (ISU, BU), finishes 8-8, win over UT, losses to OSU and aTm
How are seeds 5-8 determined?
no way ut falls to baylor...jus sayin
yeah it's doubtful, but Baylor has the ability to beat anybody if they are hitting their shots. It's just a redic scenario, but if it played out that way a second round match-up with NU (or CU) would be nice.
yes it would...
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Baylor's making a run in the Big 12 Tourney. I'm calling that now.
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Baylor's making a run down their pant legs in the Big 12 Tourney. I'm calling that now.
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I'd rather get the 5 seed than the 4 in OKC. As the 5 seed, you get play Colorado first day. You also have another game to play, adding to your win total.
Look at the 2007 Tournament. Wouldn't you rather have been the 5 seed instead of the 4?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Big_12_Men%27s_Basketball_Tournament#Bracket
Take the 5 seed, get the extra W.
Where do people get this. Do you really think a win over a >150 RPI CU team would mean anything right now?
This is one of the worst bubble talking points in existence.
This comes from a fanbase who is still getting used to all this NCAA stuff. Unfortunately we are more used to praying for a possible NIT bid where and additional win over anybody (including CU) helped out.
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I'd rather get the 5 seed than the 4 in OKC. As the 5 seed, you get play Colorado first day. You also have another game to play, adding to your win total.
Look at the 2007 Tournament. Wouldn't you rather have been the 5 seed instead of the 4?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Big_12_Men%27s_Basketball_Tournament#Bracket
Take the 5 seed, get the extra W.
Where do people get this. Do you really think a win over a >150 RPI CU team would mean anything right now?
This is one of the worst bubble talking points in existence.
This comes from a fanbase who is still getting used to all this NCAA stuff. Unfortunately we are more used to praying for a possible NIT bid where and additional win over anybody (including CU) helped out.
But if that game and win helped us get to ku or OU or MU it would be helpful, because a loss to them would be less costly than a loss to a bubble team we are competing against and a win against them would carry more weight. I could see the easier path argument, but then again, probably none of them had thought of that.
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Baylor's not going to make a run. If they win day one, legs for jump shots will be gone for day 2.