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Fan Life => The Endzone Dive => Topic started by: Kat Kid on January 20, 2009, 07:46:45 PM
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no need for serious gaming. Leaning towards mac for the easy/plethora of applications. Ipoding/tooling around the intranets/word processing are the basics. Extras: Photoshopping/video editing/audio recording (if I pick up guitar again) which make me lean towards mac because I am not so over the top that I will pay out the ass for those applications on windows.
What are the recommends?
:powertard:
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cheap as in price and apple just don't go together.
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cheap as in price and apple just don't go together.
bro
if I put together a decent set of appys to do all the fun things that come with a mac then you reconsider.
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Get a sony. Lower price than a Mac, many more available apps, cool kid in coffee shop, etc.
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http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac?mco=MTE3NjY
couple of macbooks for < $1k
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no need for serious gaming. Leaning towards mac for the easy/plethora of applications. Ipoding/tooling around the intranets/word processing are the basics. Extras: Photoshopping/video editing/audio recording (if I pick up guitar again) which make me lean towards mac because I am not so over the top that I will pay out the ass for those applications on windows.
What are the recommends?
:powertard:
You realize Windows has about 100 thousand times more applications than Macintosh...........
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quality > quantity
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decide which laptop you would most like to have sex with, if the laptops were human. then buy that laptop.
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What price/size are you looking for?
quality > quantity
MAC fanboys = :flush:
Just because Justin Long says it in the commercials doesn't mean its true.
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decide which laptop you would most like to have sex with, if the laptops were human. then buy that laptop.
That's actually a pretty legit way to think about it. Problem is KK would end up with a broken solar calculator that smelled like bong water. (no offense to mrs. kk who was the outlier)
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Also, all software is free on the internet
Just FYI, I dunno if ksufanners endorse that stuff
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Also, all software is free on the internet
got virused that way (i think). :blank:
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what about if you only get on the internet and occasionally word process? Seriously, my computer get's no other use. my wife got ours for grad school but that's done and it's almost 4 years old.
How long do they last?
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What price/size are you looking for?
quality > quantity
MAC fanboys = :flush:
Just because Justin Long says it in the commercials doesn't mean its true.
you're right, those vista commercials convinced me how good that OS is.
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what about if you only get on the internet and occasionally word process? Seriously, my computer get's no other use. my wife got ours for grad school but that's done and it's almost 4 years old.
How long do they last?
20+ years
You can get a netbook for cheap if you want a small/cheap comp
What price/size are you looking for?
quality > quantity
MAC fanboys = :flush:
Just because Justin Long says it in the commercials doesn't mean its true.
you're right, those vista commercials convinced me how good that OS is.
True, even though at security conferences Vista was proven to be more secure than Leopard, "facts" don't really matter.
The only thing OSX has on Windows is that it doesn't have a registry.
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virus protection on a mac :confused:
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virus protection on a mac :confused:
Don't kid yourself, Piss...blatantly believing that there are no virus' out there for mac is ridiculous. Believing MAC will never have a virus is an even worse idea.
Do you know what a Virus is or how they work? It wouldn't be that hard to write something that replicates/deletes files or causes other issues once downloaded to a MAC.
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If you decide to go PC, then wait until this summer/fall, when Windows 7 comes out. Most folks using the beta seem to like it, and it's supposed to address Vista's issues. I'd like to partition and install the beta on my laptop, but it's not going to happen as I'm nearly out of hard drive space.
From what I've heard, most netbooks running Vista are wayyyy slow, and preliminary indications are that Windows 7 will run much better. I've been wanting to get a netbook myself, but not one that's running Vista. My ultimate plan is to get a fairly cheap desktop to store/stream/transfer media files to TV/stereo/iPod and get a netbook for portable computing, writing, e-mail, internet, etc. My current laptop is a "desktop" replacement. It's not as powerful/big for storage as a cheaper desktop, and it's so large that it's really not that portable. I think getting two separate machines is ultimately going to help me get more out of their functions.
If you want a photo-editing software for Windows, try GIMP. It does a lot of what Photoshop does, and it's free.
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If you decide to go PC, then wait until this summer/fall, when Windows 7 comes out. Most folks using the beta seem to like it, and it's supposed to address Vista's issues. I'd like to partition and install the beta on my laptop, but it's not going to happen as I'm nearly out of hard drive space.
From what I've heard, most netbooks running Vista are wayyyy slow, and preliminary indications are that Windows 7 will run much better. I've been wanting to get a netbook myself, but not one that's running Vista. My ultimate plan is to get a fairly cheap desktop to store/stream/transfer media files to TV/stereo/iPod and get a netbook for portable computing, writing, e-mail, internet, etc. My current laptop is a "desktop" replacement. It's not as powerful/big for storage as a cheaper desktop, and it's so large that it's really not that portable. I think getting two separate machines is ultimately going to help me get more out of their functions.
If you want a photo-editing software for Windows, try GIMP. It does a lot of what Photoshop does, and it's free.
July 1st is the date you want to wait for. If you buy a machine with Vista on it after that date, you'll be eligible for the free 7 update when it becomes available/ships.
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virus protection on a mac :confused:
Don't kid yourself, Piss...blatantly believing that there are no virus' out there for mac is ridiculous. Believing MAC will never have a virus is an even worse idea.
Do you know what a Virus is or how they work? It wouldn't be that hard to write something that replicates/deletes files or causes other issues once downloaded to a MAC.
don't kid yourself dr00d, i never said i believe any of those things.
i've been working on/with computers since my parents bought me a commodore 64, i think i have an idea how a virus works and how a good computer and OS works.
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Damnit, every one of these Mac vs. PC debates end with someone getting called Chief. Let's not go down that road again bros.
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no need for serious gaming. Leaning towards mac for the easy/plethora of applications. Ipoding/tooling around the intranets/word processing are the basics. Extras: Photoshopping/video editing/audio recording (if I pick up guitar again) which make me lean towards mac because I am not so over the top that I will pay out the ass for those applications on windows.
What are the recommends?
:powertard:
how do you record on the mac with a guitar?
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Actually don't mind Mac laptops too much, think they are decent value.
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Actually don't mind Mac laptops too much, think they are decent value.
Whatever Chief :nono:
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I just got a Toshiba for a little over $500. Seems like a pretty good machine.
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Mine's a toshiba.
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This one. (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9027732&type=product&id=1218010173766) On clearance for $539 though as "last year's model".
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virus protection on a mac :confused:
Don't kid yourself, Piss...blatantly believing that there are no virus' out there for mac is ridiculous. Believing MAC will never have a virus is an even worse idea.
Do you know what a Virus is or how they work? It wouldn't be that hard to write something that replicates/deletes files or causes other issues once downloaded to a MAC.
don't kid yourself dr00d, i never said i believe any of those things.
i've been working on/with computers since my parents bought me a commodore 64, i think i have an idea how a virus works and how a good computer and OS works.
:runaway: :nutkick:
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virus protection on a mac :confused:
Don't kid yourself, Piss...blatantly believing that there are no virus' out there for mac is ridiculous. Believing MAC will never have a virus is an even worse idea.
Do you know what a Virus is or how they work? It wouldn't be that hard to write something that replicates/deletes files or causes other issues once downloaded to a MAC.
Clarify what you are saying here then - Are you complaining that there are no current virus protection for mac? [1] or are you saying that you don't need virus protection on a mac? :banghead:
[1] http://www.pure-mac.com/virus.html
don't kid yourself dr00d, i never said i believe any of those things.
i've been working on/with computers since my parents bought me a commodore 64, i think i have an idea how a virus works and how a good computer and OS works.
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i'm saying it's impossible to write a virus for a mac because the people that use macs are way cooler than those that don't. only nerdstores need virus protection.
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(http://media.bigoo.ws/content/layout/film-cartoon/film-cartoon_214.jpg)
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i'm saying it's impossible to write a virus for a mac because the people that use macs are way cooler than those that don't. only nerdstores need virus protection.
Very very true. :users:
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If you decide to go PC, then wait until this summer/fall, when Windows 7 comes out. Most folks using the beta seem to like it, and it's supposed to address Vista's issues. I'd like to partition and install the beta on my laptop, but it's not going to happen as I'm nearly out of hard drive space.
From what I've heard, most netbooks running Vista are wayyyy slow, and preliminary indications are that Windows 7 will run much better. I've been wanting to get a netbook myself, but not one that's running Vista. My ultimate plan is to get a fairly cheap desktop to store/stream/transfer media files to TV/stereo/iPod and get a netbook for portable computing, writing, e-mail, internet, etc. My current laptop is a "desktop" replacement. It's not as powerful/big for storage as a cheaper desktop, and it's so large that it's really not that portable. I think getting two separate machines is ultimately going to help me get more out of their functions.
If you want a photo-editing software for Windows, try GIMP. It does a lot of what Photoshop does, and it's free.
Almost no netbooks run Vista..........XP or some distro of Linux
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i'm saying it's impossible to write a virus for a mac because the people that use macs are way cooler than those that don't. only nerdstores need virus protection.
Not only is it possible, but it has been proven Microsoft has a better track record of fixing software exploits than Apple, and that OSX is easier to hack than Windows
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i'm saying it's impossible to write a virus for a mac because the people that use macs are way cooler than those that don't. only nerdstores need virus protection.
Not only is it possible, but it has been proven Microsoft has a better track record of fixing software exploits than Apple, and that OSX is easier to hack than Windows
it's not possible and it hasn't been proven by anyone other than Dreamy McDreamerton :users:
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and that dude's a clown
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If you decide to go PC, then wait until this summer/fall, when Windows 7 comes out. Most folks using the beta seem to like it, and it's supposed to address Vista's issues. I'd like to partition and install the beta on my laptop, but it's not going to happen as I'm nearly out of hard drive space. From what I've heard, most netbooks running Vista are wayyyy slow, and preliminary indications are that Windows 7 will run much better. I've been wanting to get a netbook myself, but not one that's running Vista. My ultimate plan is to get a fairly cheap desktop to store/stream/transfer media files to TV/stereo/iPod and get a netbook for portable computing, writing, e-mail, internet, etc. My current laptop is a "desktop" replacement. It's not as powerful/big for storage as a cheaper desktop, and it's so large that it's really not that portable. I think getting two separate machines is ultimately going to help me get more out of their functions.
If you want a photo-editing software for Windows, try GIMP. It does a lot of what Photoshop does, and it's free.
Almost no netbooks run Vista..........XP or some distro of Linux
Doh! Slipped my mind for a minute. MS even has special licenses for XP for netbooks. Of course, IIRC, most netbooks run XP because Vista is so horrid on them.
Still, since it looks like Windows 7 is going to play nicer with netbooks, it still may be worth waiting to see if it's going to become the standard netbook OS.
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They're horrid because XP is 9 years old and net books are essentially 9 year old hardware. Smartphones are to a point where they could run XP. Vista is an up-to-date OS that deserves up-to-date hardware.
Only idiots are unable to realize this.
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They're horrid because XP is 9 years old and net books are essentially 9 year old hardware. Smartphones are to a point where they could run XP. Vista is an up-to-date OS that deserves up-to-date hardware. Only idiots are unable to realize this.
:confused: Weird post.
Netbooks have worse hardware because their focus is on small size and affordability.
And even Microsoft is all but admiting that Vista is no great shakes, even on the best hardware...although a lot of the PR problem had to do with puttimg it onto machines that didn't have good enough specs. Again, though, that is a result of keeping things affordable.
It looks like Vista is poised to become the Windows ME to 7's XP role.
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Laptops are like hookers. You don't want the cheap ones.
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i love imb "thinkpads"
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They're horrid because XP is 9 years old and net books are essentially 9 year old hardware. Smartphones are to a point where they could run XP. Vista is an up-to-date OS that deserves up-to-date hardware. Only idiots are unable to realize this.
:confused: Weird post.
Netbooks have worse hardware because their focus is on small size and affordability.
And even Microsoft is all but admiting that Vista is no great shakes, even on the best hardware...although a lot of the PR problem had to do with puttimg it onto machines that didn't have good enough specs. Again, though, that is a result of keeping things affordable.
It looks like Vista is poised to become the Windows ME to 7's XP role.
I know why netbooks have worse hardware. I wasn't arguing why. I was stating that it is idiocy to expect a brand new OS to function great on what is equivalent to 9 year old hard ware. We have 9 year old OS's for that. Just like idiots complained about XP running slowly on machines that shipped with 95, and idiots complained about 95 running slowly on machines that had 3.1.
As for Vista's issues, it's pretty much marketing and lousy driver support. It is Microsoft's best OS to date. Comparing it to ME is ignorance. ME was full of bugs and was the worst OS in terms of reliability. Vista is incredibly reliable compared to anything I've used extensively (OS X, 95-XP, Ubuntu).
Windows 7 should be a service pack because there will not be many upgrades to it over Vista. It will be a little lighter weight, but it will be the same thing essentially. Good luck running it on a netbook.
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I know why netbooks have worse hardware. I wasn't arguing why. I was stating that it is idiocy to expect a brand new OS to function great on what is equivalent to 9 year old hard ware. We have 9 year old OS's for that. Just like idiots complained about XP running slowly on machines that shipped with 95, and idiots complained about 95 running slowly on machines that had 3.1.
As for Vista's issues, it's pretty much marketing and lousy driver support. It is Microsoft's best OS to date. Comparing it to ME is ignorance. ME was full of bugs and was the worst OS in terms of reliability. Vista is incredibly reliable compared to anything I've used extensively (OS X, 95-XP, Ubuntu). Windows 7 should be a service pack because there will not be many upgrades to it over Vista. It will be a little lighter weight, but it will be the same thing essentially. Good luck running it on a netbook.
Easy there, Ballmer. Nobody said they expected Vista to run well on netbooks, just that it doesn't. As for running Windows 7 on a netbook, preliminary indications (http://i.gizmodo.com/5133092/windows-7-runs-so-much-better-than-vista-on-a-netbook) from the beta are that it will indeed run much better than Vista, perhaps even approaching XP in terms of functionality on a netbook.
And regardless of your personal affinity for Vista, it's not a stretch to compare Vista to ME from a public perception standpoint: both had the public clamoring for the next gen of Windows pretty quickly after their release.
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XP came out oct 2001, thats not 9 years fwiw
Also, in 2001 Intel just released their first Pentium 4's, which used Rambus, and were garbage, slower clock for clock than a pentium III
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As for Vista's issues, it's pretty much marketing and lousy driver support. It is Microsoft's best OS to date. Comparing it to ME is ignorance. ME was full of bugs and was the worst OS in terms of reliability. Vista is incredibly reliable compared to anything I've used extensively (OS X, 95-XP, Ubuntu).
all things completely controllable by microsoft, fwiw
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He is speaking of Apples marketing (can't control that) and no, you cannot control drivers
With your beloved MACs you are limited to the amount of hardware you can run in your computer, so it is easier to quality control drivers
You are talking about controlling a litter of kittens (MAC) vs controlling a giant ant farm (PC)
If you don't know anything about computers, please stop makings stupid comments.
In fact, thinking you can control driver support proves you have no clue.
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i'm saying it's impossible to write a virus for a mac because the people that use macs are way cooler than those that don't. only nerdstores need virus protection.
Not only is it possible, but it has been proven Microsoft has a better track record of fixing software exploits than Apple, and that OSX is easier to hack than Windows
it's not possible and it hasn't been proven by anyone other than Dreamy McDreamerton :users:
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virus protection on a mac :confused:
Don't kid yourself, Piss...blatantly believing that there are no virus' out there for mac is ridiculous. Believing MAC will never have a virus is an even worse idea.
Do you know what a Virus is or how they work? It wouldn't be that hard to write something that replicates/deletes files or causes other issues once downloaded to a MAC.
don't kid yourself dr00d, i never said i believe any of those things.
i've been working on/with computers since my parents bought me a commodore 64, i think i have an idea how a virus works and how a good computer and OS works.
:confused:
Great job looking like the clown. You've been 'working on/with computers since c64' and this is your retort? You know how a virus works, then you claim viruses can in fact be created/are out there for a mac, then you deny it with something similar that a 12 year old might say.
:powertard:
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He is speaking of Apples marketing (can't control that) and no, you cannot control drivers
With your beloved MACs you are limited to the amount of hardware you can run in your computer, so it is easier to quality control drivers
You are talking about controlling a litter of kittens (MAC) vs controlling a giant ant farm (PC)
If you don't know anything about computers, please stop makings stupid comments.
actually, had Microsoft shared specs related to their new and unneeded OS the app developers would have had drivers in place ahead of launch. but, as usual, they did things the wrong way and it took application developers months to arrive at solutions that microsoft themselves had created. I will say it's a bitch finding drivers for my imac :lol:
i'm saying it's impossible to write a virus for a mac because the people that use macs are way cooler than those that don't. only nerdstores need virus protection.
Not only is it possible, but it has been proven Microsoft has a better track record of fixing software exploits than Apple, and that OSX is easier to hack than Windows
it's not possible and it hasn't been proven by anyone other than Dreamy McDreamerton :users:
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virus protection on a mac :confused:
Don't kid yourself, Piss...blatantly believing that there are no virus' out there for mac is ridiculous. Believing MAC will never have a virus is an even worse idea.
Do you know what a Virus is or how they work? It wouldn't be that hard to write something that replicates/deletes files or causes other issues once downloaded to a MAC.
don't kid yourself dr00d, i never said i believe any of those things.
i've been working on/with computers since my parents bought me a commodore 64, i think i have an idea how a virus works and how a good computer and OS works.
:confused:
Great job looking like the clown. You've been 'working on/with computers since c64' and this is your retort? You know how a virus works, then you claim viruses can in fact be created/are out there for a mac, then you deny it with something similar that a 12 year old might say.
:powertard:
no, you're just an idiot. anyone that knows anything about computers knows that OSX is vulnerable just like any OS is. and you're calling me the tard. your little run of Poster Intimidation isn't working on me, dr00sh.
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He is speaking of Apples marketing (can't control that) and no, you cannot control drivers
With your beloved MACs you are limited to the amount of hardware you can run in your computer, so it is easier to quality control drivers
You are talking about controlling a litter of kittens (MAC) vs controlling a giant ant farm (PC)
If you don't know anything about computers, please stop makings stupid comments.
actually, had Microsoft shared specs related to their new and unneeded OS the app developers would have had drivers in place ahead of launch. but, as usual, they did things the wrong way and it took application developers months to arrive at solutions that microsoft themselves had created. I will say it's a bitch finding drivers for my imac :lol:
You could get Vista beta's more than a year before it come out, once again you strike out.
Also, are you trying to say MAC's don't need drivers??? (they do) or the fact that they are embedded (something I already explained for your small brain the post above)
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does n e 1 else share my love of ibm's thinkpads?
thanks.
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what do you like about them (never used 1)
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XP came out oct 2001, thats not 9 years fwiw
Also, in 2001 Intel just released their first Pentium 4's, which used Rambus, and were garbage, slower clock for clock than a pentium III
2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009. That's 9. Granted, the number of days add up to around 8 years, but who really gives a frack?
Easy there, Ballmer. Nobody said they expected Vista to run well on netbooks, just that it doesn't. As for running Windows 7 on a netbook, preliminary indications (http://i.gizmodo.com/5133092/windows-7-runs-so-much-better-than-vista-on-a-netbook) from the beta are that it will indeed run much better than Vista, perhaps even approaching XP in terms of functionality on a netbook.
And regardless of your personal affinity for Vista, it's not a stretch to compare Vista to ME from a public perception standpoint: both had the public clamoring for the next gen of Windows pretty quickly after their release.
My opinions of Vista are irrelevant. You're using public perception as an argument. The public is full of retards who think their $30 Lexmark printer from 1997 should work with Vista. It doesn't, so Vista sucks and Microsoft is to blame. ME was full of new features that eventually spelled it's doom. It's the first os with system restore. While that feature is great in XP and Vista, it royally f'ed the crap out of Windows ME.
So when people compare the two, it's pretty stupid. If anything, compare it to Windows 2000. I can't wait for the day 32 bit OS's are dropped from the face of the earth and retards everywhere are flung back to the stoneage.
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what do you like about them (never used 1)
just think they are designed nicely. very, "solidly" built which is important for labby's (imo)
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He is speaking of Apples marketing (can't control that) and no, you cannot control drivers
With your beloved MACs you are limited to the amount of hardware you can run in your computer, so it is easier to quality control drivers
You are talking about controlling a litter of kittens (MAC) vs controlling a giant ant farm (PC)
If you don't know anything about computers, please stop makings stupid comments.
actually, had Microsoft shared specs related to their new and unneeded OS the app developers would have had drivers in place ahead of launch. but, as usual, they did things the wrong way and it took application developers months to arrive at solutions that microsoft themselves had created. I will say it's a bitch finding drivers for my imac :lol:
You could get Vista beta's more than a year before it come out, once again you strike out.
Also, are you trying to say MAC's don't need drivers??? (they do) or the fact that they are embedded (something I already explained for your small brain the post above)
you pc kids take life way too seriously. as a mod i will not stand for this type of poster intimidation. heemouche bag.
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i also forgot to do this at you :lol:
:users: <--me, on my iMac
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Does pc include anything not apple?
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i also forgot to do this at you :lol:
:users: <--me, on my iMac
I almost think you faked this whole buying a mac thing, just so you can be one of them.
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He is speaking of Apples marketing (can't control that) and no, you cannot control drivers
With your beloved MACs you are limited to the amount of hardware you can run in your computer, so it is easier to quality control drivers
You are talking about controlling a litter of kittens (MAC) vs controlling a giant ant farm (PC)
If you don't know anything about computers, please stop makings stupid comments.
actually, had Microsoft shared specs related to their new and unneeded OS the app developers would have had drivers in place ahead of launch. but, as usual, they did things the wrong way and it took application developers months to arrive at solutions that microsoft themselves had created. I will say it's a bitch finding drivers for my imac :lol:
i'm saying it's impossible to write a virus for a mac because the people that use macs are way cooler than those that don't. only nerdstores need virus protection.
Not only is it possible, but it has been proven Microsoft has a better track record of fixing software exploits than Apple, and that OSX is easier to hack than Windows
it's not possible and it hasn't been proven by anyone other than Dreamy McDreamerton :users:
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virus protection on a mac :confused:
Don't kid yourself, Piss...blatantly believing that there are no virus' out there for mac is ridiculous. Believing MAC will never have a virus is an even worse idea.
Do you know what a Virus is or how they work? It wouldn't be that hard to write something that replicates/deletes files or causes other issues once downloaded to a MAC.
don't kid yourself dr00d, i never said i believe any of those things.
i've been working on/with computers since my parents bought me a commodore 64, i think i have an idea how a virus works and how a good computer and OS works.
:confused:
Great job looking like the clown. You've been 'working on/with computers since c64' and this is your retort? You know how a virus works, then you claim viruses can in fact be created/are out there for a mac, then you deny it with something similar that a 12 year old might say.
:powertard:
no, you're just an idiot. anyone that knows anything about computers knows that OSX is vulnerable just like any OS is. and you're calling me the tard. your little run of Poster Intimidation isn't working on me, dr00sh.
Again, you revert to acting like a 12 year old. I'm not sure what you are trying to prove here besides climb out of the 6 foot hole you have created. Maybe you should ask some of your drones that follow you around here to help fill in the dirt for you. :lol:
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nah, i'd rather head over to your boards where the "real" action is. again, it's obvious neither one of you have a clue wtf you're talking about. once I realized that (after your first posts in this thread), the rest is just poster intimidation.
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i also forgot to do this at you :lol:
:users: <--me, on my iMac
I almost think you faked this whole buying a mac thing, just so you can be one of them.
you never really know, i can tell you i'm not using a POS ibm thinkpad. :lol:
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http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant
:blahblah:
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Guys listen, PC drivers are totally outdated and the apps you can get for them won't even allow the OS to function with the hardware properly. We all know this. However, what I think some of you are forgetting is that it is the OS that must mesh with the driver and the hardware or else the virus control won't do what it's it was designed to do. This is exactly why I chose a Mac instead of netbook operating on the Vista driver OS system with Windows ME and XP. I prefer the specs of the Mac driver embedded in the OS firewall. Just personal preference though, you know?
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I don't know anything about computers.
QFT
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My opinions of Vista are irrelevant. You're using public perception as an argument. The public is full of retards who think their $30 Lexmark printer from 1997 should work with Vista. It doesn't, so Vista sucks and Microsoft is to blame. ME was full of new features that eventually spelled it's doom. It's the first os with system restore. While that feature is great in XP and Vista, it royally f'ed the crap out of Windows ME.
So when people compare the two, it's pretty stupid. If anything, compare it to Windows 2000. I can't wait for the day 32 bit OS's are dropped from the face of the earth and retards everywhere are flung back to the stoneage.
I agree your opinions of Vista are irrelevant, but for some reason you insisted on offering them.
The public buys the computers. The public doesn't care why the OS doesn't work like they think it should, all they care about is that it doesn't. You're apparently arguing from a technical standpoint that Vista can't be compared to ME because Vista's problems were driver issues and installation on sub-par hardware, while ME's problems were new features that didn't work yet. Yeah, we know: Vista is not the same product as ME, nor does it have identical issues.
From a consumer's standpoint, an OS that doesn't work is an OS that doesn't work. The comparison of Vista to ME in terms of a "marketing and sales disaster" (i.e., public perception) is not a new or uncommon one (http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=378).
Windows Vista even at beta stage (I used beta 2 and RC1) was MILES above windows ME.
Nothing ever worked with that OS, I used it for 2 years
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My opinions of Vista are irrelevant. You're using public perception as an argument. The public is full of retards who think their $30 Lexmark printer from 1997 should work with Vista. It doesn't, so Vista sucks and Microsoft is to blame. ME was full of new features that eventually spelled it's doom. It's the first os with system restore. While that feature is great in XP and Vista, it royally f'ed the crap out of Windows ME.
So when people compare the two, it's pretty stupid. If anything, compare it to Windows 2000. I can't wait for the day 32 bit OS's are dropped from the face of the earth and retards everywhere are flung back to the stoneage.
I agree your opinions of Vista are irrelevant, but for some reason you insisted on offering them.
The public buys the computers. The public doesn't care why the OS doesn't work like they think it should, all they care about is that it doesn't. You're apparently arguing from a technical standpoint that Vista can't be compared to ME because Vista's problems were driver issues and installation on sub-par hardware, while ME's problems were new features that didn't work yet. Yeah, we know: Vista is not the same product as ME, nor does it have identical issues.
From a consumer's standpoint, an OS that doesn't work is an OS that doesn't work. The comparison of Vista to ME in terms of a "marketing and sales disaster" (i.e., public perception) is not a new or uncommon one (http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=378).
Windows Vista even at beta stage (I used beta 2 and RC1) was MILES above windows ME.
Nothing ever worked with that OS, I used it for 2 years
you would (because you're an idiot that knows nothing about computers)
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