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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: omahawildcat on January 19, 2009, 04:44:31 PM
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If so, are you pissed at him for saying what he did?
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:dunno: :whocares:
didn't know people listen to that douche, let alone take it serious what he says
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why don't you tell us what we're suposed to be pissed about? what exactly did he say?
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He said This Frank Martin team appears to be the worst coached team he's ever seen at Kstate. Including Wooldridge teams.
He also stated that the comments that Martin had about Doc Sadler, it appeared as though he was basically stating that Sadler was a better coach then himself.
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sadler is the best x&os coach in the big 12. everyone knows that.
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sadler is the best x&os coach in the big 12. everyone knows that.
except when he loses to maryland baltimore county at home.
:dunno:
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He said This Frank Martin team appears to be the worst coached team he's ever seen at Kstate. Including Wooldridge teams.
He also stated that the comments that Martin had about Doc Sadler, it appeared as though he was basically stating that Sadler was a better coach then himself.
as much as i wouldn't wanna believe it, he has a strong argument here.
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as much as i wouldn't wanna believe it, he has a strong argument here.
no he doesn't.
don't take bball thoughts from people named fitz or keitz. 95% chance they're wrong.
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no one should get mad at what KK says, and that includes Frank. Unfortunately, Frank's temper/personality is coupled with entirely too thin skin. So I'm sure we'll get to hear Frank spout off about "the media" being unfair or something, meanwhile his team looks like crap.
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He said This Frank Martin team appears to be the worst coached team he's ever seen at Kstate. Including Wooldridge teams.
He also stated that the comments that Martin had about Doc Sadler, it appeared as though he was basically stating that Sadler was a better coach then himself.
KK was 100% correct! Frank Martin is the worst gameday coach in the big 12, and possibly the nation. This guy doesnt havent a frickin clue. And it showed last year (despite having unbelievable talent to help disguise it) when the team underachieved.
The clock is already ticking for Martin....bringing in talent is ONE thing, doing NOTHING with that talent is another.
Now powertards dont confuse my message, I never said the guido couldnt recruit, but Frank is the worst in the conf. as far as actual coaching....and thats sad cause Pat Knight is awful too.
Look, we rolled the dice on ANOTHER inexperienced minority head coach....the first one was an abortion...two in a row???
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and thats sad cause Pat Knight is awful too.
lol.
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well known fact that Frank hates KK could be about that as much as anything.
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and thats sad cause Pat Knight is awful too.
lol.
Oh boy another Pat Knight apologists....let me guess your line of thinking here..."Well his dad was great which means he will be good to!"
lol
only a simpleton thinks that way, a true munson
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KK was 100% correct! Frank Martin is the worst gameday coach in the big 12, and possibly the nation. This guy doesnt havent a frickin clue. And it showed last year (despite having unbelievable talent to help disguise it) when the team underachieved.
The clock is already ticking for Martin....bringing in talent is ONE thing, doing NOTHING with that talent is another.
Now powertards dont confuse my message, I never said the guido couldnt recruit, but Frank is the worst in the conf. as far as actual coaching....and thats sad cause Pat Knight is awful too.
Look, we rolled the dice on ANOTHER inexperienced minority head coach....the first one was an abortion...two in a row???
these posts are just infuriating. :curse: :curse:
wtf is wrong with you people? we lost 4 starters from a fringe NCAA team. We lost 4 starters from the 06-07 team (who only made the NIT)
we haven't had a consistent roster for three years now.
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well known fact that Frank hates KK could be about that as much as anything.
frank's kind of a pussy for being a tough guy, imo.*
*I would never say this to his face
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KK was 100% correct! Frank Martin is the worst gameday coach in the big 12, and possibly the nation. This guy doesnt havent a frickin clue. And it showed last year (despite having unbelievable talent to help disguise it) when the team underachieved.
The clock is already ticking for Martin....bringing in talent is ONE thing, doing NOTHING with that talent is another.
Now powertards dont confuse my message, I never said the guido couldnt recruit, but Frank is the worst in the conf. as far as actual coaching....and thats sad cause Pat Knight is awful too.
Look, we rolled the dice on ANOTHER inexperienced minority head coach....the first one was an abortion...two in a row???
these posts are just infuriating. :curse: :curse:
wtf is wrong with you people? we lost 4 starters from a fringe NCAA team. We lost 4 starters from the 06-07 team (who only made the NIT)
we haven't had a consistent roster for three years now.
:powertard:
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KK was 100% correct! Frank Martin is the worst gameday coach in the big 12, and possibly the nation. This guy doesnt havent a frickin clue. And it showed last year (despite having unbelievable talent to help disguise it) when the team underachieved.
The clock is already ticking for Martin....bringing in talent is ONE thing, doing NOTHING with that talent is another.
Now powertards dont confuse my message, I never said the guido couldnt recruit, but Frank is the worst in the conf. as far as actual coaching....and thats sad cause Pat Knight is awful too.
Look, we rolled the dice on ANOTHER inexperienced minority head coach....the first one was an abortion...two in a row???
these posts are just infuriating. :curse: :curse:
wtf is wrong with you people? we lost 4 starters from a fringe NCAA team. We lost 4 starters from the 06-07 team (who only made the NIT)
we haven't had a consistent roster for three years now.
Alright, what have you seen from f***facefrank that would make you think he is such a "great coach"? His offensive philosphy is AWFUL. No set plays, nothing. Even on inbounds plays nothing even creative beyond a high school coaching level. Nothing.
The substitutions patterns are even more high school esque.
Instead of yelling and cussing at the players, heres an idea, how about f'n coaching them. Telling them you are the most selfish m*****f**** I have ever seen isnt coaching.
Kstate needs to demand every f'n dollar back from Frank. I dont give a sh*t if he can recruit or not....cause the talent will be wasted when it gets here....or riding the pine in favor on CMerr.
Im sick of hiring inexperience hacks for our head coaching positions.
Thank god Bill is back!
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I'd rather have wasted talent than no talent. Under, like, any circumstances.
It's absolutely 100% about talent. Check out the career record of the coach of the #1 team in the country if you don't believe me.
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Alright, what have you seen from f***facefrank that would make you think he is such a "great coach"? His offensive philosphy is AWFUL. No set plays, nothing. Even on inbounds plays nothing even creative beyond a high school coaching level. Nothing.
The substitutions patterns are even more high school esque.
Instead of yelling and cussing at the players, heres an idea, how about f'n coaching them. Telling them you are the most selfish m*****f**** I have ever seen isnt coaching.
every team w/bad players looks like this. it's the same everywhere.
btw, how about bill's job in 2005 and 2004?
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It's settled, K-State has bad players.
So are we looking at 0-16, or more like 4-12 or 6-10??
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It's settle, K-State has bad players.
So are we looking at 0-16, or more like 4-12 or 6-10??
6-10
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we haven't had a consistent roster for three years now.
or coach. dk=3 coaches/4 yrs.
talent? js + ds r all the talent we hav. js is a rs & ds just finished yr 1.
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i know pk doesn't suck at "game" (weird made up category of coaching that people that never played bball think is important) coaching because i've seen several pk coached tech games and seen that they don't play unreasonably poorly.
also because i know that bball is a ridiculously simple game, and any non-retarded individual that has been around the game for more than a year or two on a professional basis understands about all there is to understand about it. and if they've been hired by a big 6 university to coach that university's mens bball team, they are almost sure to also be fairly good at communicating bball information to players.
martin calls a ton of set plays. btw. wish he'd call less, to be honest.
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also because i know that bball is a ridiculously simple game, and any non-retarded individual that has been around the game for more than a year or two on a professional basis understands about all there is to understand about it. and if they've been hired by a big 6 university to coach that university's mens bball team, they are almost sure to also be fairly good at communicating bball information to players.
Just serving as an assistant makes you more than qualified from an "x's and o's"/"gameplanning" standpoint.
martin calls a ton of set plays. btw. wish he'd call less, to be honest.
I know. this is prob. the dumbest anti-martin talking point, edging out "chemistry".
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So I just want to get this straight:
All of K-State's players absolutely suck. Martin calls to many plays. Team Chemistry is not important on any level. Player Rotation doesn't matter at all. Blame all the problems the team is having on Martin missing on a couple of recruits.
What have I missed??
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Just wondering, do we run an offense? or does it just consist of running down the court 18mph and handing the ball to the other team :crybaby:
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Just wondering, do we run an offense? or does it just consist of running down the court 18mph and handing the ball to the other team :crybaby:
Hey now, that is one of "franks set plays".
Awesome frank!
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I'd rather have wasted talent than no talent. Under, like, any circumstances.
QFMFT. Although his point about it being wasted is BS. There is no evidence that he will waste talent, the only evidence so far is that he has helped put two players into the NBA.
As far as KK. Has he ever come out and said this stuff before? Because, if not, then he's kind of a dumbass to say he's a sh1tty coach etc. after one poorly coached game. I agree Martin is making mistakes in his coaching but I'm willing to give him a lot of time to prove himself(4 more years min.) for two reasons: 1)he's bringing in talent 2)he's learning on the job
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I would like to enroll 95% of our fan base in a class called Talking About Basketball Like You Aren't A F^cking Retard 101.
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I would like to enroll 95% of our fan base in a class called Talking About Basketball Like You Aren't A F^cking Retard 101.
Yeah, with your Knight/Wooden like mind on display here. :rolleyes:
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Ok, getting back to the original question, yes, I'm probably angry about KK said, and I didn't even listen to him. We all know having talent is huge in basketball. We have guys who are athletic, but how talented are they really? Last year we supposedly crashed because our coaching was so bad with such an awesome amount of talent, now we suck because he is wasting more talent. Perhaps we have athleticism, but only talent with limitations. There is no consistent production from anyone on our offense. We rely on Pullen (soph.) and Clemente to create for everyone else, but they are both really score-first players. Now they are caught in between while they both are trying to figure out when and where to score and how to set up others. Coaching is one thing, just having it click is another. Kent is not really a great team leader because he is marginally talented, as we all know. I don't like what we do on offense but you have to realize he gets nothing out of Sutton, Kent, Colon, and Merriwether on offense...typically. Both Pullen and Clemente are erratic. Fred Brown is the only one who produces offensively with any consistency. Bottom line, the team is still young, and there is significantly more talent to add into the mix next year. We add in Kelly, Henriquez, Judge, MacGruder, and the other guy from TX whose name alludes me. We will be better, we just have to hope the guys can grow this season and learn to be good ball players, and not just guys with athletic skills, or basketball talent. Chill on Frank, the next couple of years, added with last year, will be the best we've seen in 20 yrs. Frank and Delonte deserve credit for that.
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I would like to enroll 95% of our fan base in a class called Talking About Basketball Like You Aren't A F^cking Retard 101.
Yeah, with your Knight/Wooden like mind on display here. :rolleyes:
I am, at best, a D+ hoops student. Never pretended anything different.
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I would like to enroll 95% of our fan base in a class called Talking About Basketball Like You Aren't A F^cking Retard 101.
Yeah, with your Knight/Wooden like mind on display here. :rolleyes:
I am, at best, a D+ hoops student. Never pretended anything different.
:thumbsup: it has been LOL'ers reading RustyKSUfan carrying the Martinite flag with pride over on phogtard.
It just really boils down to a couple of recruiting misses.
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I would like to enroll 95% of our fan base in a class called Talking About Basketball Like You Aren't A F^cking Retard 101.
Yeah, with your Knight/Wooden like mind on display here. :rolleyes:
I am, at best, a D+ hoops student. Never pretended anything different.
:thumbsup: it has been LOL'ers reading RustyKSUfan carrying the Martinite flag with pride over on phogtard.
It just really boils down to a couple of recruiting misses.
He's learning on the job right, remember? Remember? Or have you dropped that already?
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I would like to enroll 95% of our fan base in a class called Talking About Basketball Like You Aren't A F^cking Retard 101.
Yeah, with your Knight/Wooden like mind on display here. :rolleyes:
I am, at best, a D+ hoops student. Never pretended anything different.
:thumbsup: it has been LOL'ers reading RustyKSUfan carrying the Martinite flag with pride over on phogtard.
It just really boils down to a couple of recruiting misses.
He's learning on the job right, remember? Remember? Or have you dropped that already?
Thanks, I forgot one for the list, my own . . . that's bad.
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LOL
at least I don't want the worst "game day" coach in the entire NCAA coaching the cats.
If Frank is as terrible as you think he is, I don't see why he should remain coach for one more day. Can you explain to me why you don't think he should be fired? What great things is Frank doing that outweighs his many, many flaws?
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LOL
at least I don't want the worst "game day" coach in the entire NCAA coaching the cats.
If Frank is as terrible as you think he is, I don't see why he should remain coach for one more day. Can you explain to me why you don't think he should be fired? What great things is Frank doing that outweighs his many, many flaws?
:billypopcorn:
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LOL
at least I don't want the worst "game day" coach in the entire NCAA coaching the cats.
If Frank is as terrible as you think he is, I don't see why he should remain coach for one more day. Can you explain to me why you don't think he should be fired? What great things is Frank doing that outweighs his many, many flaws?
I have stated very few flaws in this thread . . . I am just trying to understand all the issues that this team has as stated by other people, and also trying to clarify how certain things don't mean a damn thing on the basketball court according to many.
You're getting to be like Rainman Chin.
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LOL
at least I don't want the worst "game day" coach in the entire NCAA coaching the cats.
If Frank is as terrible as you think he is, I don't see why he should remain coach for one more day. Can you explain to me why you don't think he should be fired? What great things is Frank doing that outweighs his many, many flaws?
I have stated very few flaws in this thread . . . I am just trying to understand all the issues that this team has as stated by other people, and also trying to clarify how certain things don't mean a damn thing on the basketball court according to many.
You're getting to be like Rainman Chin.
Nice (http://www.gifs.net/Animation11/Animals/Ducks_and_Geese/Duck_bends.gif)
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I'd rather have wasted talent than no talent. Under, like, any circumstances.
the only evidence so far is that he has helped put two players into the NBA.
Beas didnt need Frankies help, he was a top two pick with or w/o frank.
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I'd rather have wasted talent than no talent. Under, like, any circumstances.
the only evidence so far is that he has helped put two players into the NBA.
Beas didnt need Frankies help, he was a top two pick with or w/o frank.
Sounds like talent trumps coaching
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would dax's meltdown be funnier or less funny if he hadn't called anyone who had a negative thought about the Snyder hire a "bleeding vag"?
It would certainly be less ironic. :dunno:
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would dax's meltdown be funnier or less funny if he hadn't called anyone who had a negative thought about the Snyder hire a "bleeding vag"?
It would certainly be less ironic. :dunno:
LOL at your ability to recognize a meltdown. :lol:
Martinite's definition of a meltdown: Anyone who questions Frank's ability to coach KSU basketball.
Plus, my "bleeding vag" comment had nothing to do with simply "negative thoughts".
Damn, this board is suddenly full of people who embellish everything to the n'th degree . . . kind of sad.
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It does not really matter how much talent Frank adds next year if the team and he does not learn to score. They rely on there defense to create offense which is fine, but when you sit Sutton (your best defensive player) and expect Colon and Kent to creat opportunities..we are in trouble. Frank needs to admit that his defense as great as it is at times, will only carry this team so far. There needs to be some "chemistry" on offense, but the team mostly stands around and waits for Clemente or Pullen to create something, which usually turns into them driving the lane and either drawing a foul (good) or passing out for an open 3 (only good if that pass is to Brown). Because when Anderson or Colon get the ball at the foul line the other team just dares them to shoot the ball.. how embarrasing would that be to get the ball 15 ft from the rim and turn and find nobody guarding you. The guy with the ball at the free throw line should be Kent(hope he doesn't turn it over) or Samuels who can at least give us a scoring chance. Colon and Anderson should not leave the lower block at all..these 2 guys sitting a pick out high is useless because if they get the ball out there...the defense will back off. Please Frank, use your teams ability and create some offense for these guys and realize that even if you don't like Fred Browns defense, he opens up the inside with his outside game.
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The best thing about this thread is the "did you listen to KK" theme is lovely :powertard: fodder.
Frank's performance this year has been far from HOF material either in the talent he's brought in (specifically last year) or in the execution by his players of his gameplan. Most perplexing to me was that his players seemed to cave more under the pressure of Nebrasketball and Devaney than they did vs a Top 10 team or on the road after falling down by 18 to a team with 2 all league players. I understand that our guys aren't the best, but nothing NU did warranted the number of double dribbles, travels, multi-second violations, etc. that we had. Mind boggling stuff there.
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Has anyone thought that maybe Frank's "lets just pressure everything" concept gets the team way to sped up, and that's why they make so many turnovers??
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Has anyone thought that maybe Frank's "lets just pressure everything" concept gets the team way to sped up, and that's why they make so many turnovers??
I think it's more the craptastic schedule doing nothing to prepare them for the Big 12.
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Has anyone thought that maybe Frank's "lets just pressure everything" concept gets the team way to sped up, and that's why they make so many turnovers??
i think it has more to do with a bunch of freshmen and sophs, a new pg, and a 2 guard that is streaky at best.
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It does not really matter how much talent Frank adds next year if the team and he does not learn to score. They rely on there defense to create offense which is fine, but when you sit Sutton (your best defensive player) and expect Colon and Kent to creat opportunities..we are in trouble. Frank needs to admit that his defense as great as it is at times, will only carry this team so far. There needs to be some "chemistry" on offense, but the team mostly stands around and waits for Clemente or Pullen to create something, which usually turns into them driving the lane and either drawing a foul (good) or passing out for an open 3 (only good if that pass is to Brown). Because when Anderson or Colon get the ball at the foul line the other team just dares them to shoot the ball.. how embarrasing would that be to get the ball 15 ft from the rim and turn and find nobody guarding you. The guy with the ball at the free throw line should be Kent(hope he doesn't turn it over) or Samuels who can at least give us a scoring chance. Colon and Anderson should not leave the lower block at all..these 2 guys sitting a pick out high is useless because if they get the ball out there...the defense will back off. Please Frank, use your teams ability and create some offense for these guys and realize that even if you don't like Fred Browns defense, he opens up the inside with his outside game.
colon has a pretty nice touch on the 10-12 footer. it was baffling when he refused to shoot that @ nu.
i agree with pretty much everything else you said.
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Other valid criticisms:
Playing at a significantly slower pace than last year. RUN, DENIS, RUN!!!!!! Maybe the non-athleticism of the non-Samuels bigs limits this. :dunno:
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Frank is great . . . we've got a Cousin coming to visit.
Love Frank . . . :love:
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I would like to enroll 95% of our fan base in a class called Talking About Basketball Like You Aren't A F^cking Retard 101.
Yeah, with your Knight/Wooden like mind on display here. :rolleyes:
I am, at best, a D+ hoops student. Never pretended anything different.
:thumbsup: it has been LOL'ers reading RustyKSUfan carrying the Martinite flag with pride over on phogtard.
It just really boils down to a couple of recruiting misses.
'Pad's right... I mean how can anyone honestly say that Martin is a "good coach." It's way too early to tell what he is at this point, but signs are pointing to him being a below average coach. If K-State doesn't have Delonte Hill on the staff, how effective would Martin be at recruiting? He was thrown into a desperate situation before he was ready, and we're starting to see the results. K-State's '08 recruiting class was a disaster as well.
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bill self would look like a retard this year without collins. we've got talent coming. not worried.
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Our fanbase doesn't deserve a recruiting coach. Much more comfortable with a "good X's and O's guy" who can't recruit worth crap, and therefore can't win.
'Tards.
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I'd rather have wasted talent than no talent. Under, like, any circumstances.
the only evidence so far is that he has helped put two players into the NBA.
Beas didnt need Frankies help, he was a top two pick with or w/o frank.
could say the same thing for every other coach who put a top pick in the draft. lottery picks aren't developed by coaches but they still get the credit.
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keitzman knows less about bball than my grandmother.
same goes for the other guys on his show, it's embarassing.
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I'd rather have wasted talent than no talent. Under, like, any circumstances.
the only evidence so far is that he has helped put two players into the NBA.
Beas didnt need Frankies help, he was a top two pick with or w/o frank.
Sounds like talent trumps coaching
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