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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: fatty fat fat on January 17, 2009, 09:13:47 PM
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God, didn't know it was that bad. :-[
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How many TO to Assists does he have? 30-1? I have not been impressed with him at all this year.
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The Frank Martin hate finally caught up to him. :'(
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How many TO to Assists does he have? 30-1? I have not been impressed with him at all this year.
Its assists to TO ratio shart face. :powertard:
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he's been horrible. no question.
and really, with pullen playing even worse than he should (he's not that good, even when he plays to his appropriate level). and cmerr playing 20+, how can you expect ksu to win. they field one player of their top 8-9 that is better than big 12 average (and just barely better). and 3-5 that are significantly worse than big 12 average.
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he's been horrible. no question.
and really, with pullen playing even worse than he should (he's not that good, even when he plays to his appropriate level). and cmerr playing 20+, how can you expect ksu to win. they field one player of their top 8-9 that is better than big 12 average (and just barely better). and 3-5 that are significantly worse than big 12 average.
I'm coming to terms with this finally, sucks.
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from the @ku game to the Whisky game last year (6 games) Pullen was 4-21 (19%).
prior to that in Big 12 play (13 game stretch), he was 22-58 (38%).
this is who Jake is. Hopefully he gets on a decent run, quickly.
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19 turnovers a game :thumbsup:
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I think it's particularly brilliant the way that the guys who are actually legit Big 12 players, give up so much playing time to guys like Kent, and Colon.
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Chicago does not claim that &@#%ing vagina of a guard. &@#%. &@#%ing Chi-town. If that &@#%ing pussy is not shooting at the Fred right now he should be deported along with his coach.
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but he's supposed to be better than collins, right?
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Three's aren't his game, and if he changed it up so that he played mostly within the perimeter, he'd be a much more effective guard.
Christ, Jacque Vaughn couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, but the dude had a long career in the NBA becasue he knew that wasn't his game. Sure, he'd shoot an occasional three when he was open enough to have a cup of coffee and read the paper, but for the most part, his job was to get the ball to the players that could score. And for the most part, he was pretty good at that.
I'm not saying Pullen is as good as Vaughn, but he needs to get it in his head that he's not Gilbert Arenas. He's not a scoring guard. If he wan't to get better at this level, he needs to freaking learn that.
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Wasn't Pullen considered a score first PG in high school who had a pretty good jump shot? I remember him shooting much better last year as well and being able to create offense by breaking down the defense and driving to the basket. I don't see him do that hardly at all this year. Now he's in a slump and people are like he is what he is..sucked all along. gmafb
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Wasn't Pullen considered a score first PG in high school who had a pretty good jump shot? I remember him shooting much better last year as well and being able to create offense by breaking down the defense and driving to the basket. I don't see him do that hardly at all this year. Now he's in a slump and people are like he is what he is..sucked all along. gmafb
He was a score first PG in high school, but the kid has a love of shooting three pointers, and that's not his game. Especially since they moved the arc back.
He does a really nice job of scoring inside the perimter, but he doesn't seem too concerned with doing that. He'd rather chuck up a three with a hand in his face.
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Three's aren't his game, and if he changed it up so that he played mostly within the perimeter, he'd be a much more effective guard.
Christ, Jacque Vaughn couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, but the dude had a long career in the NBA becasue he knew that wasn't his game. Sure, he'd shoot an occasional three when he was open enough to have a cup of coffee and read the paper, but for the most part, his job was to get the ball to the players that could score. And for the most part, he was pretty good at that.
I'm not saying Pullen is as good as Vaughn, but he needs to get it in his head that he's not Gilbert Arenas. He's not a scoring guard. If he wan't to get better at this level, he needs to freaking learn that.
But he has to be a scoring guard for us to be any good this year. Therein lies your prob.
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Wasn't Pullen considered a score first PG in high school who had a pretty good jump shot? I remember him shooting much better last year as well and being able to create offense by breaking down the defense and driving to the basket. I don't see him do that hardly at all this year. Now he's in a slump and people are like he is what he is..sucked all along. gmafb
He was a score first PG in high school, but the kid has a love of shooting three pointers, and that's not his game. Especially since they moved the arc back.
He does a really nice job of scoring inside the perimter, but he doesn't seem too concerned with doing that. He'd rather chuck up a three with a hand in his face.
Why isn't he creating/penetrating this year like last year where he proved to be a threat by driving and creating? My problem is we've seen him do this stuff in the past with success so saying he just all the sudden sucks isn't a good explanation.
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Pullen shoots way too many 3's he is a streaky shooter and he shoots better off the dribble the coah is not using him to the best of his abilities. and driving the lanes was easy when you have threats in the post can't drive when people aren't scared to leave your center ,PF or your sf. if you notice the bigs go on the blocks and stay their the whole offense MIke B and walker would come out the perimeter that allows your guards to drive and not have to face the other teams bigs. so when you have a team with bigs that can't score outside of layups this is the result contested shots and lack of lanes to penetrate I blame the coach for the bad offense this team needs movement at all times and they need to set screens all over the court trying to draw a mismatch to gain some advantage until you learn to play to youtr team strength your team will suck and we suck right now
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Pullen shoots way too many 3's he is a streaky shooter and he shoots better off the dribble the coah is not using him to the best of his abilities. and driving the lanes was easy when you have threats in the post can't drive when people aren't scared to leave your center ,PF or your sf. if you notice the bigs go on the blocks and stay their the whole offense MIke B and walker would come out the perimeter that allows your guards to drive and not have to face the other teams bigs. so when you have a team with bigs that can't score outside of layups this is the result contested shots and lack of lanes to penetrate I blame the coach for the bad offense this team needs movement at all times and they need to set screens all over the court trying to draw a mismatch to gain some advantage until you learn to play to youtr team strength your team will suck and we suck right now
Should run more plays that lead to wide open layups at least 75% of the time. Every real coach does this.
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Should run more plays that lead to wide open layups at least 75% of the time. Every real coach does this.
i think dunk plays would be better imo. we should run more dunk plays.
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Should run more plays that lead to wide open layups at least 75% of the time. Every real coach does this.
i think dunk plays would be better imo. we should run more dunk plays.
too "flashy" IMO.
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Very simple...Franks players suck (big men) which make role players like Pullen carry too
much responsibility and lead to suckiness. He looked much better Bill and Mike around..
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Three's aren't his game, and if he changed it up so that he played mostly within the perimeter, he'd be a much more effective guard.
Christ, Jacque Vaughn couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, but the dude had a long career in the NBA becasue he knew that wasn't his game. Sure, he'd shoot an occasional three when he was open enough to have a cup of coffee and read the paper, but for the most part, his job was to get the ball to the players that could score. And for the most part, he was pretty good at that.
I'm not saying Pullen is as good as Vaughn, but he needs to get it in his head that he's not Gilbert Arenas. He's not a scoring guard. If he wan't to get better at this level, he needs to freaking learn that.
But he has to be a scoring guard for us to be any good this year. Therein lies your prob.
It's a Catch 22. Jake doesn't suck, but he sucks at what they're asking him to do, IMO.
However, he could exercise a little more self-control in some of the shots he's willing to launch.
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Wasn't Pullen considered a score first PG in high school who had a pretty good jump shot? I remember him shooting much better last year as well and being able to create offense by breaking down the defense and driving to the basket. I don't see him do that hardly at all this year. Now he's in a slump and people are like he is what he is..sucked all along. gmafb
He was a score first PG in high school, but the kid has a love of shooting three pointers, and that's not his game. Especially since they moved the arc back.
He does a really nice job of scoring inside the perimter, but he doesn't seem too concerned with doing that. He'd rather chuck up a three with a hand in his face.
Why isn't he creating/penetrating this year like last year where he proved to be a threat by driving and creating? My problem is we've seen him do this stuff in the past with success so saying he just all the sudden sucks isn't a good explanation.
I didn't say he sucks all of a sudden. He's just playing a role that he shouldn't be playing.
Last year, everyone said that Clemente could be the point and Jake should be the SG. I never believed that. I thought it should be the other way around. Jake doesn't have the oustide shot to be a scoring guard. He needs to take the ball inside because he's really not that bad in traffic. Also, he does a good job of finishing and initiating contact and getting to the line.
If Pullen started taking the ball inside more, and he tried slashing more than shooting, he'd help us out by making the other team accumulate more fouls, and he's not a bad free throw shooter, so his point totals will increase.
But after listening to him talk on and on about haning out with Dee Brown, and the other guys from Proviso East, my thoughts are that he doesn't want to do that. He wants to be Dee Brown. He wants to be a scoring point guard that shoots a crap ton of threes. So, it's hard for me to say if it's him making the bad decsions, or if it's Frank telling him to make those decisions.
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the kid has a love of shooting three pointers, and that's not his game. Especially since they moved the arc back.
He does a really nice job of scoring inside the perimter, but he doesn't seem too concerned with doing that. He'd rather chuck up a three with a hand in his face.
completely turned around. he shoots a decent 3. is horrible on the drive.
and he sucked last year too. people just failed to notice because they hated stewart and young so much.
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Three's aren't his game, and if he changed it up so that he played mostly within the perimeter, he'd be a much more effective guard.
Christ, Jacque Vaughn couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, but the dude had a long career in the NBA becasue he knew that wasn't his game. Sure, he'd shoot an occasional three when he was open enough to have a cup of coffee and read the paper, but for the most part, his job was to get the ball to the players that could score. And for the most part, he was pretty good at that.
I'm not saying Pullen is as good as Vaughn, but he needs to get it in his head that he's not Gilbert Arenas. He's not a scoring guard. If he wan't to get better at this level, he needs to freaking learn that.
Sadly, we need Jake to score, so he is going to have the green light - probably this season more than any in his KSU 4 year career. If we had big men that could finish inside, Jake would be passing the ball more. Would you want to enter the ball into Kent or Lu, knowing that there is little chance they consistently score and they both are poor passers? Jake will get on a roll eventually...
I liked Jamar in the starting lineup, keep increasing his reps, he will be considerably better next year. He seems to have a good attitude and work ethic. Frank will reward that.
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jmo, pullen is at his best when he slashes to the rim and either "makes a play" or dishes it when he "draws the defense"
he isn't a great shooter. outside of a nice stretch last year in big 12 play (when it looked like KSU would win the national title) he's like...a 26% 3 point shooter. Gilson Dejesus just threw up a bit.
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pullen driving = turnover, pathetic shot, or, when lucky, a foul. he's horrible.
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pullen driving = turnover, pathetic shot, or, when lucky, a foul. he's horrible.
@isu last year
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the kid has a love of shooting three pointers, and that's not his game. Especially since they moved the arc back.
He does a really nice job of scoring inside the perimter, but he doesn't seem too concerned with doing that. He'd rather chuck up a three with a hand in his face.
completely turned around. he shoots a decent 3. is horrible on the drive.
and he sucked last year too. people just failed to notice because they hated stewart and young so much.
We're going to disagree on this. Fatty's got it right; his percentages are poor. Moving the line back has made it even worse for him.
I think he's got it in him to be a good player. He just has to be willing to mix up his game.
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his 3 % isn't good. it isn't horrible either. subjectively, when he's set or pulls up he hits a lot. trying to create or coming off a pick, he's pretty bad.
he's definitely not a great shooter, i'm not arguing that. but he's horrible when he goes in the lane in the half court.
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he's definitely not a great shooter, i'm not arguing that. but he's horrible when he goes in the lane in the half court.
no he's not. wtf is wrong with you?
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watch him.
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he's been pretty bad this year. He's trying to draw contact with the sole intention of drawing a foul and doesn't seem to try to seriously finish. And he's not getting calls, so he sucks at it.
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How many TO to Assists does he have? 30-1? I have not been impressed with him at all this year.
Its assists to TO ratio shart face. :powertard:
Not when you have been playing as bad as he has Ass hat!
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he's definitely not a great shooter, i'm not arguing that. but he's horrible when he goes in the lane in the half court.
no he's not. wtf is wrong with you?
Most of his Turn overs are when he drives and gets striped or dribbles off of his foot.