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Title: How to rule the Big 12 Spreads
Post by: CatGeek on January 02, 2009, 09:12:16 PM
Want to beat the spread offenses in the Big 12?  Ole Miss showed how it can be done in their game against Tech.  (actually, Alabama did the same thing against Tech a year or two ago).

1. Play fundamentally sound defense with unrelenting pressure on the QB.  If you want to beat the spread, you physically beat their QB by hitting him on every play possible.
2. Control the ball on offense.  Run or pass, it doesn't matter.  Just huddle the frack up and possess the ball for a while.
3. Allow your defense to breath on the sideline.  Don't go out and run your own version of the hurry-up spread and put your defense back out on the field with 2 minutes of rest.  See #2.

The bowls so far are showing the Big 12 is ripe for some defensive play.   :kstatriot:

Title: Re: How to rule the Big 12 Spreads
Post by: Chingon on January 02, 2009, 09:21:50 PM
Sure thing!

You need to learn to defend the "deep ball" with "stunts" and "twists".

If we can just play "tight man" coverage while all out "blitzing" every down we'd be golden.

Need pressure from the front 4 (don't get me started on the 3-4!)
Title: Re: How to rule the Big 12 Spreads
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 02, 2009, 09:22:59 PM
Hire this guy:

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Title: Re: How to rule the Big 12 Spreads
Post by: fatty fat fat on January 02, 2009, 09:24:09 PM
Want to beat the spread offenses in the Big 12?  Ole Miss showed how it can be done in their game against Tech.  (actually, Alabama did the same thing against Tech a year or two ago).

1. Play fundamentally sound defense with unrelenting pressure on the QB.  If you want to beat the spread, you physically beat their QB by hitting him on every play possible.
2. Control the ball on offense.  Run or pass, it doesn't matter.  Just huddle the frack up and possess the ball for a while.
3. Allow your defense to breath on the sideline.  Don't go out and run your own version of the hurry-up spread and put your defense back out on the field with 2 minutes of rest.  See #2.




I'm 100% positive tibesar never told our defense those three things. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: How to rule the Big 12 Spreads
Post by: KCcat28 on January 02, 2009, 09:29:14 PM
Want to beat the spread offenses in the Big 12?  Ole Miss showed how it can be done in their game against Tech.  (actually, Alabama did the same thing against Tech a year or two ago).

1. Play fundamentally sound defense with unrelenting pressure on the QB.  If you want to beat the spread, you physically beat their QB by hitting him on every play possible.
2. Control the ball on offense.  Run or pass, it doesn't matter.  Just huddle the frack up and possess the ball for a while.
3. Allow your defense to breath on the sideline.  Don't go out and run your own version of the hurry-up spread and put your defense back out on the field with 2 minutes of rest.  See #2.




I'm 100% positive tibesar never told our defense those three things. :rolleyes:

I am not so sure Tibs even told our team anything...
Title: Re: How to rule the Big 12 Spreads
Post by: cireksu on January 02, 2009, 09:33:32 PM
pressure on qb with stud recruit dlinemen.

tackle when the qb has to dump off with pressure.

that's it.

that's how you beat a spread.

period.
Title: Re: How to rule the Big 12 Spreads
Post by: KSUMiraclePart2 on January 02, 2009, 09:35:46 PM
Well we are in trouble, because Cosh and Koenning are both "bend but don't break" style DCs.
Title: Re: How to rule the Big 12 Spreads
Post by: Chingon on January 02, 2009, 09:37:02 PM
pressure on qb with stud recruit dlinemen.

tackle when the qb has to dump off with pressure.

that's it.

that's how you beat a spread every offense known to man.

period.
Title: Re: How to rule the Big 12 Spreads
Post by: cireksu on January 02, 2009, 09:37:40 PM
Well we are in trouble, because Cosh and Koenning are both "bend but don't break" style DCs.

not really,

they want pressure with four, tackle, don't give up the deep ball.
Title: Re: How to rule the Big 12 Spreads
Post by: cireksu on January 02, 2009, 09:38:38 PM
pressure on qb with stud recruit dlinemen.

tackle when the qb has to dump off with pressure.

that's it.

that's how you beat a spread every offense known to man.

period.

no, some would create pressure through various blitz packages re: gunther cunningham/phil bennett.
Title: Re: How to rule the Big 12 Spreads
Post by: Chingon on January 02, 2009, 09:41:01 PM
pressure on qb with stud recruit dlinemen.

tackle when the qb has to dump off with pressure.

that's it.

that's how you beat a spread every offense known to man.

period.

no, some would create pressure through various blitz packages re: gunther cunningham/phil bennett.
In the end defense is defense: pressure the qb, cover receivers, tackle rbs.  Sure there are different ways to do it, but that's like saying the best offense against the 3-4 is to run the ball well.  Running the ball well is always going to work.
Title: Re: How to rule the Big 12 Spreads
Post by: cireksu on January 02, 2009, 09:45:09 PM
just saying, phil bennett d wouldn't work against the spread re: 2000 ou/ksu games.
Title: Re: How to rule the Big 12 Spreads
Post by: CatGeek on January 02, 2009, 10:00:29 PM
pressure on qb with stud recruit dlinemen.

tackle when the qb has to dump off with pressure.

that's it.

that's how you beat a spread every offense known to man.

period.

no, some would create pressure through various blitz packages re: gunther cunningham/phil bennett.
In the end defense is defense: pressure the qb, cover receivers, tackle rbs.  Sure there are different ways to do it, but that's like saying the best offense against the 3-4 is to run the ball well.  Running the ball well is always going to work.

Defense is defense.  Except, my point is when you run the hurry-up spread yourself, you can hurt your own defensive effort because you don't possess the ball long enough. 

It's no different than the old run and shoot in the nfl a few years back.  That was basically the spread, and those teams were never serious contenders for championships because they exposed their defense to too many snaps.  They always ran into a good defensive team that could control the ball and the clock. 

Your goal is to defend as few snaps as possible, and your offense has a lot to do with it. 
Title: Re: How to rule the Big 12 Spreads
Post by: thefridge on January 02, 2009, 11:16:18 PM
Want to beat the spread offenses in the Big 12?  Ole Miss showed how it can be done in their game against Tech.  (actually, Alabama did the same thing against Tech a year or two ago).

1. Play fundamentally sound defense with unrelenting pressure on the QB.  If you want to beat the spread, you physically beat their QB by hitting him on every play possible.
2. Control the ball on offense.  Run or pass, it doesn't matter.  Just huddle the frack up and possess the ball for a while.
3. Allow your defense to breath on the sideline.  Don't go out and run your own version of the hurry-up spread and put your defense back out on the field with 2 minutes of rest.  See #2.

The bowls so far are showing the Big 12 is ripe for some defensive play.   :kstatriot:



this would also create a change in the style of offense being played in the big 12, which let's face it isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: How to rule the Big 12 Spreads
Post by: snyderfanatic on January 02, 2009, 11:31:13 PM
just saying, phil bennett d wouldn't work against the spread re: 2000 ou/ksu games.

Tech smoked us pretty bad in Lubbock 2001
Title: Re: How to rule the Big 12 Spreads
Post by: KSt8er on January 03, 2009, 12:18:20 AM
pressure on qb with stud recruit dlinemen.

tackle when the qb has to dump off with pressure.

that's it.

that's how you beat a spread.

period.

A Fukinmen brother. 
Title: Re: How to rule the Big 12 Spreads
Post by: bigdeal on January 03, 2009, 12:21:23 AM
Actually, Josh Heupel was amazing against the Cats in the Manhattan game vs. OU in 2000.  He got hit time and time again but would just get rid of the ball in time with phenomenal accuracy.  Still, had they not had a big return in the kicking game, the Cats might've gotten them.  The Big 12 Title game was a solid, tough game.  Again, Heupel got hit alot but his cool, and accuracy were amazing.  How he didn't get put out of either of those games was beyond me. 
Title: Re: How to rule the Big 12 Spreads
Post by: KansasForever on January 03, 2009, 03:47:22 PM
Want to beat the spread offenses in the Big 12?  Ole Miss showed how it can be done in their game against Tech.  (actually, Alabama did the same thing against Tech a year or two ago).

1. Play fundamentally sound defense with unrelenting pressure on the QB.  If you want to beat the spread, you physically beat their QB by hitting him on every play possible.
2. Control the ball on offense.  Run or pass, it doesn't matter.  Just huddle the frack up and possess the ball for a while.
3. Allow your defense to breath on the sideline.  Don't go out and run your own version of the hurry-up spread and put your defense back out on the field with 2 minutes of rest.  See #2.

The bowls so far are showing the Big 12 is ripe for some defensive play.   :kstatriot:



This would beat any offense.  Must be some reason few people do it.  You know, talent.
Title: Re: How to rule the Big 12 Spreads
Post by: Legore on January 03, 2009, 03:58:36 PM
Want to beat the spread offenses in the Big 12?  Ole Miss showed how it can be done in their game against Tech.  (actually, Alabama did the same thing against Tech a year or two ago).

1. Play fundamentally sound defense with unrelenting pressure on the QB.  If you want to beat the spread, you physically beat their QB by hitting him on every play possible.
2. Control the ball on offense.  Run or pass, it doesn't matter.  Just huddle the frack up and possess the ball for a while.
3. Allow your defense to breath on the sideline.  Don't go out and run your own version of the hurry-up spread and put your defense back out on the field with 2 minutes of rest.  See #2.




I'm 100% positive tibesar never told our defense those three things. :rolleyes:

I am not so sure Tibs even told our team anything...


From what I've heard he told the players they sucked and lacked talent on a regular basis.  He may have been right in a lot of cases but still bad form. 
Title: Re: How to rule the Big 12 Spreads
Post by: ksu98 on January 03, 2009, 05:26:32 PM
Want to beat the spread offenses in the Big 12?  Ole Miss showed how it can be done in their game against Tech.  (actually, Alabama did the same thing against Tech a year or two ago).

1. Play fundamentally sound defense with unrelenting pressure on the QB.  If you want to beat the spread, you physically beat their QB by hitting him on every play possible.
2. Control the ball on offense.  Run or pass, it doesn't matter.  Just huddle the frack up and possess the ball for a while.
3. Allow your defense to breath on the sideline.  Don't go out and run your own version of the hurry-up spread and put your defense back out on the field with 2 minutes of rest.  See #2.

The bowls so far are showing the Big 12 is ripe for some defensive play.   :kstatriot:
Amen brother