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Title: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: sys on December 17, 2008, 09:47:12 PM
so hard to know, all but mu (and to a much lesser extent ksu) have looked so horrible.  definitely competitive though.
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: fatty fat fat on December 17, 2008, 09:48:12 PM
i think they are better than the "trio"

they have texas players, so i give them the nod by default.
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: fatty fat fat on December 17, 2008, 09:48:39 PM
btw, have you begun your assault on ouhoops.com?

would like to make an appy there soon.
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: Pett on December 17, 2008, 09:51:06 PM
i think they are better than the "trio"

If the "trio" consists of ISU, NU, & CU. Then yes, that would seem about right.

TT is just a little below us & MU.
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: sys on December 17, 2008, 10:24:29 PM
i'd have to say, better than cu and isu, and = to nu.  their record is really just like nu's with a few decent wins at home and some bad road losses.  maybe just below ksu, but really, that's just being kind to ksu (ksu's done nothing).

mu is way above the other nortards.  they've got a great noncon cv.
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: fatty fat fat on December 17, 2008, 10:26:23 PM
i'd have to say, better than cu and isu, and = to nu.  their record is really just like nu's with a few decent wins at home and some bad road losses.  maybe just below ksu, but really, that's just being kind to ksu (ksu's done nothing).

mu is way above the other nortards.  they've got a great noncon cv.

interesting how you completely ignore the kenpom's.
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: sys on December 17, 2008, 10:34:39 PM
interesting how you completely ignore the kenpom's.

no it isn't.  kenpom after 9-10 games is way too dependent on one huge win (gwebb for ksu) and mov in general.  if you look at all the other nortards vs tech, my ratings = kenpom's.  i only discard ksu.
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: steve dave on December 18, 2008, 08:16:18 AM
LOL @ TTech playing all these garbage teams on the road
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: pissclams on December 18, 2008, 08:40:47 AM
LOL @ UTEP running Tech out of  their gym last night.  Face it Kenpom elitists, Tech blowz...  :blank:
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: mcmwcat on December 18, 2008, 11:10:29 AM
LOL @ UTEP running Tech out of  their gym last night.  Face it Kenpom elitists, Tech blowz...  :blank:

kenpom needs to drop outliers or do something to reduce the impact of outliers on its numbers especially earlier in the season w/ low sample size.  wuin't spect you 2 understand.
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: Skycat on December 18, 2008, 11:14:29 AM
LOL @ UTEP running Tech out of  their gym last night.  Face it Kenpom elitists, Tech blowz...  :blank:

kenpom needs to drop outliers or do something to reduce the impact of outliers on its numbers especially earlier in the season w/ low sample size.  wuin't spect you 2 understand.

When the sample size is very small, how is he supposed to be able to reliably determine outliers?   :dunno:
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: mcmwcat on December 18, 2008, 11:17:48 AM
there are small sample size models that can be used i think.
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: pissclams on December 18, 2008, 11:18:56 AM
so you're saying kenpom's sh*t sucks.  glad we're all on the same page here.   :flush:
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: ksu_FAN on December 18, 2008, 11:19:45 AM
kenpom isn't that far off.  The only team that prob should be ranked higher than them right now in the league is aTm, but they've played their usual dreadful schedule.  ISU and CU have done nothing to be rated higher than Tech right now.
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: Skycat on December 18, 2008, 11:24:11 AM
there are small sample size models that can be used i think.

There really is no good rigorous way to do this with a sample size of 9 or 10.  And really, even with very large data sets, removing outliers is tricky and can lead to as many problems as keeping them in.
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: pissclams on December 18, 2008, 11:25:36 AM
there are small sample size models that can be used i think.

There really is no good rigorous way to do this with a sample size of 9 or 10.  And really, even with very large data sets, removing outliers is tricky and can lead to as many problems as keeping them in.
that's pretty much my point too.  kenpom is really good when given an ample sample size 
                                                                                                    ^^LMAO   :lol:
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: ksu_FAN on December 18, 2008, 11:27:16 AM
Really, how can you hate this guy?  Looks reatively cool.  JMHO.

(http://www.met.utah.edu/people/faculty/aux/pomeroy.png/variant/person)
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: pissclams on December 18, 2008, 11:28:57 AM
Really, how can you hate this guy?  Looks reatively cool.  JMHO.

(http://www.met.utah.edu/people/faculty/aux/pomeroy.png/variant/person)
he looks like a downgrade
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: michigancat on December 18, 2008, 02:52:35 PM
interesting how you completely ignore the kenpom's.

no it isn't.  kenpom after 9-10 games is way too dependent on one huge win (gwebb for ksu) and mov in general.  if you look at all the other nortards vs tech, my ratings = kenpom's.  i only discard ksu.

Why would you discard gwebb for KSU and not APB for MU?
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: jmlynch1 on December 18, 2008, 03:00:30 PM
Really, how can you hate this guy?  Looks reatively cool.  JMHO.

(http://www.met.utah.edu/people/faculty/aux/pomeroy.png/variant/person)
Saw him being interviewed. Huge nerd and not one of those cool nerds who go on to be the front man of Weezer or host Late Night with Conan O'brien. More like one of those nerds who suck.
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: Skycat on December 18, 2008, 04:47:17 PM
interesting how you completely ignore the kenpom's.

no it isn't.  kenpom after 9-10 games is way too dependent on one huge win (gwebb for ksu) and mov in general.  if you look at all the other nortards vs tech, my ratings = kenpom's.  i only discard ksu.

Why would you discard gwebb for KSU and not APB for MU?

Of the Nortards (including ku) and T-Tech, only ISU has a consistency rank in the top half. 

However, K-State is the most inconsistent by a fair margin.
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: sys on December 18, 2008, 10:10:52 PM
Why would you discard gwebb for KSU and not APB for MU?

because ksu is 3-3 against teams in the top 200.  mu is 5-1.
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: michigancat on December 19, 2008, 09:40:57 AM
Why would you discard gwebb for KSU and not APB for MU?

because ksu is 3-3 against teams in the top 200.  mu is 5-1.

that would probably be the difference between 10th and 21st.  IMO
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: sys on December 19, 2008, 02:04:50 PM
that would probably be the difference between 10th and 21st.  IMO


both are overrated in the kenpoms.  ksu just more so.  mu around 20 and ksu around 50 feels approx correct to me.
Title: Re: tech better than what nortards?
Post by: phagallenblowsballs on December 19, 2008, 03:13:16 PM
LOL @ UTEP running Tech out of  their gym last night.  Face it Kenpom elitists, Tech blowz...  :blank:

Exactly, a 3win f'n UTEP team destroyed a white, scratch that, very white Tech team.
Pat Knight will be fired at the end of the 2010 season, bank on it.

Just out of curiousity, who was the last college bball team to win a title with predominantly white kids only on the team?

Duke late 90's?

I know the Knight family is not big on coloreds, but come on, its like they only recruit at small farm town high schools in western kansas.

And I believe Pat Knight has a mild form of downs syndrome.