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Title: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: michigancat on December 17, 2008, 01:24:34 PM
http://www.topchoicedigital.com/viewproduct.aspx?id=9964197&l=Froogle


JHwkJson?  Clams?  N E 1?


:dunno:
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: Oklahoma_Cat on December 17, 2008, 01:27:50 PM
Yeah, go ahead and buy an LG....if you like boyz.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: michigancat on December 17, 2008, 01:29:00 PM
Yeah, go ahead and buy an LG....if you like boyz.

Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: TheShocker on December 17, 2008, 01:32:43 PM
Just go to WalMart and buy a Vizio.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: catdude33 on December 17, 2008, 01:33:57 PM
What size room is it going in?  Everyone I've ever talked to who bought a 37" HDTV has wished that they had gone a size bigger.  That's what she said.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: yosh on December 17, 2008, 01:34:44 PM
Cole's thoughts?    :dunno:
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: ew2x4 on December 17, 2008, 01:41:32 PM
http://www.topchoicedigital.com/viewproduct.aspx?id=9964197&l=Froogle


JHwkJson?  Clams?  N E 1?


:dunno:

Good tv, but crapty place to get it from. I'd always try to go to a physical store to get one. Just go to Target or Walmart and get a Vizio. How will you be using it?
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: ew2x4 on December 17, 2008, 01:42:08 PM
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5684931
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: Oklahoma_Cat on December 17, 2008, 01:46:15 PM
Just go to WalMart and buy a Vizio.

QFT.  Mine is lovely.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: TheShocker on December 17, 2008, 01:47:25 PM
http://www.topchoicedigital.com/viewproduct.aspx?id=9964197&l=Froogle


JHwkJson?  Clams?  N E 1?


:dunno:

Good tv, but crapty place to get it from. I'd always try to go to a physical store to get one. Just go to Target or Walmart and get a Vizio. How will you be using it?


QFT. You should really see the TV in person before you buy. When I was shopping around for a HDTV, I found a model that looked great on paper but when I viewed it next to other HDTV's in the store it looked like crap. I had almost bought it online and I was very relieved that I didn't.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: Saulbadguy on December 17, 2008, 01:48:58 PM
What will you be using it for, television? Movies? (blu-ray)  :lol: ? Gaming?  :lol:

Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 17, 2008, 01:53:08 PM
Stores puposely set up TV's to look like crap to get you to buy something else that they're getting a bigger kick back on, or their sales people have an incentive on.

Always ask for the remote, and then set the TV up to your preferences before making a decisions.

Most instore TV's for example are set up to blow torch level contrast so they'll look brighter.

Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: ew2x4 on December 17, 2008, 02:11:35 PM
Stores puposely set up TV's to look like crap to get you to buy something else that they're getting a bigger kick back on, or their sales people have an incentive on.

Always ask for the remote, and then set the TV up to your preferences before making a decisions.

Most instore TV's for example are set up to blow torch level contrast so they'll look brighter.



Well, you also have to take into consideration they are splicing one source into 30 tv's so the PQ won't be as great (but it should be fairly consistant). But, you will find out about the sound, the menu, the remote, the looks, glare or not (mainly with plasma), etc.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: MOKSUAZ on December 17, 2008, 02:24:01 PM
Just go to WalMart and buy a Vizio.

QFT.  Mine is lovely.

+1, best TV out there for the price.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: jeffy on December 17, 2008, 02:55:11 PM
I recently bought a 26" Samsung for the upstairs.  I was limited in the horizontal space I had.  After a bunch of research on the internet, including consumer reports and numerous model revue sites, I found out that the nearest place to get that model was Manhattan Best Buy (obviously not) priced at $699.  I went around to various stores locally and checked out several samsung models to see how they worked and what they offered.  While I never did see the actual model I was purchasing, I became satisfied by various reviews and personal study of similar TVs that I was willing to buy online.  I got it from amazon for $499.

(The 60" will go downstairs once I get it)
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: ew2x4 on December 17, 2008, 02:59:54 PM
jeffy- what is the pic in your sig?
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: michigancat on December 17, 2008, 03:01:38 PM
What will you be using it for, television? Movies? (blu-ray)  :lol: ? Gaming?  :lol:



I'll be using it for watching the KATZ.  And other things.


Is plasma better?  Is 5" worth $100?

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=8477432
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2008, 03:02:44 PM
consumer reports

Are you Grandpa Dave!?
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: pissclams on December 17, 2008, 03:04:09 PM
can you go out to NFM d00dy or are you trying not to move it?

plasma can be better but it depends on the room you're putting it in.  lots of windows/light then go LCD.  otherwise, plasma is cheaper for more.  LCD costs more because it's a far superior technology.  suck it azcat.   :lol:
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: yoga-lika_abana on December 17, 2008, 03:04:24 PM
What will you be using it for, television? Movies? (blu-ray)  :lol: ? Gaming?  :lol:



I'll be using it for watching the KATZ.  And other things.


Is plasma better?  Is 5" worth $100?

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=8477432
ask the wife that question

:fatty: :fatty: :fatty: :fatty: :fatty: :fatty:
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: michigancat on December 17, 2008, 03:06:31 PM
Always ask for the remote, and then set the TV up to your preferences before making a decisions.

I never know where to start on this.

N E 1 got some pointers?  :dunno:

can you go out to NFM d00dy or are you trying not to move it?

plasma can be better but it depends on the room you're putting it in.  lots of windows/light then go LCD.  otherwise, plasma is cheaper for more.  LCD costs more because it's a far superior technology.  suck it azcat.   :lol:

kinda wanna wait until we're up there.  (christmas $$$) 

Will be in a fairly dark room.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: fatty fat fat on December 17, 2008, 03:07:11 PM
buy whatever is the cheapest, you won't notice any diffy.

seriously, don't listen to this crap.
Quote
plasma can be better but it depends on the room you're putting it in.  lots of windows/light then go LCD.  otherwise, plasma is cheaper for more.  LCD costs more because it's a far superior technology.

 :rolleyes:

wal-mart.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: ew2x4 on December 17, 2008, 03:08:11 PM
Rusty, if you will be just using an HD box and no bluray or gaming, then you only really need a 720p. A plasma is fine. The only problems are glare (they use glass) and you need to break them in to prevent burn in (you can burn free dvd's and play them on a loop over night and that will do it).

But yes, 42" is well worth it.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10333896

or

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=8477432

would work well. Best Buy also has a house brand (Dynex?) that's a 42" 1080p that is supposed to be really worth the 6-700 bucks. Not sure if you'd want your friends to see it though.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: michigancat on December 17, 2008, 03:10:42 PM
I def. won't want 1080p.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: pissclams on December 17, 2008, 03:14:09 PM
seriously, don't listen to this crap.

buy whatever is the cheapest, you won't notice any diffy.

wal-mart.  :thumbsup:

 :rolleyes:

it makes a difference.  if i had a plasma where the lcd is it would be terrible.

you should check out this one-
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001KOTTNY?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=cnet-ce-20&linkCode=asn

42" Samsung plasma
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2008, 03:16:28 PM
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001KOTTNY?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=cnet-ce-20&linkCode=asn

42" Samsung plasma

^ Buy that one (Amazon ftw with free shipping and no tax)
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: fatty fat fat on December 17, 2008, 03:19:06 PM
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001KOTTNY?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=cnet-ce-20&linkCode=asn

42" Samsung plasma

^ Buy that one (Amazon ftw with free shipping and no tax)

Zane Ball disagrees.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: CrushNasty on December 17, 2008, 03:21:59 PM
I have a 57" Toshiba Projection HDTV (1080i/720p) that I'll see you for $700 (3.5 years old, great picture)
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: Saulbadguy on December 17, 2008, 03:26:47 PM
can you go out to NFM d00dy or are you trying not to move it?

plasma can be better but it depends on the room you're putting it in.  lots of windows/light then go LCD.  otherwise, plasma is cheaper for more.  LCD costs more because it's a far superior technology.  suck it azcat.   :lol:
Wrong. Plasma is superior in nearly all areas except viewing angle and glare issues w/ lots of light.

Less motion blur, better contrast ratios, etc.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: ew2x4 on December 17, 2008, 03:26:52 PM
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001KOTTNY?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=cnet-ce-20&linkCode=asn

42" Samsung plasma

^ Buy that one (Amazon ftw with free shipping and no tax)

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10333896

or get it there and get 3 extra years of warranty for only $88. Pick it up in store.

Alternatively, if you have American Express, you get an extra 1 yr warranty on everything you buy. So buy it from amazon if you want if you have AMEX.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: Saulbadguy on December 17, 2008, 03:27:36 PM
I def. won't want 1080p.
:flush:
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: ew2x4 on December 17, 2008, 03:30:39 PM
Yeah, get 1080p!
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: Rick Daris on December 17, 2008, 03:36:43 PM
Agree w/ everything pclams said. If room does not have tons of sunlight get 42 720 plasma. Seriously go to a store and look at the 37 and then look at the 42... big difference imo.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: Saulbadguy on December 17, 2008, 03:39:20 PM
Yeah, get 1080p!
:notworthy:
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: ew2x4 on December 17, 2008, 03:55:37 PM
Why wouldn't you pay $50-100 more for such a huge step up? How far from the tv will you be sitting?
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: ksuno1stunner on December 17, 2008, 03:58:05 PM
720p is just gay.

5" is a pretty big difference, at least get one of those 1080p 40" that Sony or Samsung sells.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: catdude33 on December 17, 2008, 04:44:25 PM
Get this:

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Viera-TH-42PZ80U-1080p-Plasma/dp/B00142MUDS/ref=/ref=cm_cd_t_sims_t# (http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Viera-TH-42PZ80U-1080p-Plasma/dp/B00142MUDS/ref=/ref=cm_cd_t_sims_t#)

It's what I have.  It is good.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: jeffy on December 17, 2008, 04:47:26 PM
jeffy- what is the pic in your sig?

My geocaching statistics.

Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: jeffy on December 17, 2008, 04:48:31 PM
consumer reports

Are you Grandpa Dave!?

If you'd bring me another set of dentures for Christmas, I'd appreciate it.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: AzCat on December 17, 2008, 05:08:01 PM
What will you be using it for, television? Movies? (blu-ray)  :lol: ? Gaming?  :lol:



I'll be using it for watching the KATZ.  And other things.


Is plasma better?  Is 5" worth $100?

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=8477432

Not in that size Rusty.  If you're buying a plasma buy a Pioneer.  If you're buying an LCD buy a Sony XBR.  If you want the best set you can buy right now it's a Pioneer kuro but Pioneer doesn't make anything smaller than 50" which pretty much removes the impetus to even have a discussion of the plasma vs. LCD issue since you're set on something much smaller.

Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: AzCat on December 17, 2008, 05:09:54 PM
... you need to break them in to prevent burn in (you can burn free dvd's and play them on a loop over night and that will do it).

Completely false unless you're buying old stock from several years ago.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: Saulbadguy on December 17, 2008, 08:18:13 PM
What will you be using it for, television? Movies? (blu-ray)  :lol: ? Gaming?  :lol:



I'll be using it for watching the KATZ.  And other things.


Is plasma better?  Is 5" worth $100?

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=8477432

Not in that size Rusty.  If you're buying a plasma buy a Pioneer.  If you're buying an LCD buy a Sony XBR.  If you want the best set you can buy right now it's a Pioneer kuro but Pioneer doesn't make anything smaller than 50" which pretty much removes the impetus to even have a discussion of the plasma vs. LCD issue since you're set on something much smaller.


Jeeze, even I can't afford those!

 :flush:
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: ew2x4 on December 17, 2008, 08:20:13 PM
... you need to break them in to prevent burn in (you can burn free dvd's and play them on a loop over night and that will do it).

Completely false unless you're buying old stock from several years ago.

Not false at all. Most sets have features to counteract this (pixel wobbling). Some cheap budget brands are prone to this. Most notably, the new Insignias.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: catdude33 on December 17, 2008, 08:49:36 PM
... you need to break them in to prevent burn in (you can burn free dvd's and play them on a loop over night and that will do it).

Completely false unless you're buying old stock from several years ago.

Not false at all. Most sets have features to counteract this (pixel wobbling). Some cheap budget brands are prone to this. Most notably, the new Insignias.

Burn-in is a thing of the past.  Image retention does occur on new plasma sets but is easily erased through normal viewing habits.  I was really worried about it when I first bought mine, but it really hasn't been an issue at all.  You don't even have to worry about pausing a game or movie, or leaving a menu screen up for a long time because of built in screen savers.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: PCR on December 17, 2008, 08:56:51 PM
Get a 720p Panasonic Plasma.  The 1080p stuff is just marketing.  Everything has to go through signal processors, even Blu-Ray movies to play on either set.  The best TV you can buy right now is a Pioneer Plasma.  I still have an LCD cuz I can't afford to upgrade yet, and guess what-movies look kinda crappy.  Black level is awful.  Sports look pretty good on it because it's not a very big set, but you start to see blur when you get up to a 42" size.  Unless you're going to spend $1600 on a Sony, I would avoid LCD.  Oh yeah and those stupid 120Hz sets make movies look like video games. 
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: michigancat on December 17, 2008, 09:03:35 PM
Get a 720p Panasonic Plasma.  The 1080p stuff is just marketing.  Everything has to go through signal processors, even Blu-Ray movies to play on either set.  The best TV you can buy right now is a Pioneer Plasma.  I still have an LCD cuz I can't afford to upgrade yet, and guess what-movies look kinda crappy.  Black level is awful.  Sports look pretty good on it because it's not a very big set, but you start to see blur when you get up to a 42" size.  Unless you're going to spend $1600 on a Sony, I would avoid LCD.  Oh yeah and those stupid 120Hz sets make movies look like video games. 

What makes the panasonic 720p plasma $150 better than the samsung?  Marketing?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: hemmy on December 17, 2008, 09:11:45 PM
720p will not look good on a TV that big, go 1080p, or save your money
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: michigancat on December 17, 2008, 09:26:32 PM
I'm thinking the 42" vizio or samsung would do the trick for me.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: ksuno1stunner on December 17, 2008, 09:58:59 PM
Rusty, do you go on slickdeals?

http://forums.slickdeals.net/forumdisplay.php?sduid=0&f=9

See the categories on the left of each topic?  Click on "video"

Here is a good one. http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=1084406

46", but that's like a huge diff.

Site updates a sh*t-ton, so you have to search.  Just type in "37", "40", "42", in search.


Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: ew2x4 on December 17, 2008, 11:21:39 PM
... you need to break them in to prevent burn in (you can burn free dvd's and play them on a loop over night and that will do it).

Completely false unless you're buying old stock from several years ago.

Not false at all. Most sets have features to counteract this (pixel wobbling). Some cheap budget brands are prone to this. Most notably, the new Insignias.

Burn-in is a thing of the past.  Image retention does occur on new plasma sets but is easily erased through normal viewing habits.  I was really worried about it when I first bought mine, but it really hasn't been an issue at all.  You don't even have to worry about pausing a game or movie, or leaving a menu screen up for a long time because of built in screen savers.

Wait, so it's a thing of the past, but it does occur? Gotcha.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: AzCat on December 18, 2008, 12:56:13 AM
... you need to break them in to prevent burn in (you can burn free dvd's and play them on a loop over night and that will do it).

Completely false unless you're buying old stock from several years ago.

Not false at all. Most sets have features to counteract this (pixel wobbling). Some cheap budget brands are prone to this. Most notably, the new Insignias.

Burn-in is a thing of the past.  Image retention does occur on new plasma sets but is easily erased through normal viewing habits.  I was really worried about it when I first bought mine, but it really hasn't been an issue at all.  You don't even have to worry about pausing a game or movie, or leaving a menu screen up for a long time because of built in screen savers.

Wait, so it's a thing of the past, but it does occur? Gotcha.

Image retention (temporary) isn't the same as burn-in (permanent).  If you're going to offer your sage opinion you should at least be clear on the basic terminology.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: AzCat on December 18, 2008, 01:03:54 AM
What will you be using it for, television? Movies? (blu-ray)  :lol: ? Gaming?  :lol:



I'll be using it for watching the KATZ.  And other things.


Is plasma better?  Is 5" worth $100?

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=8477432

Not in that size Rusty.  If you're buying a plasma buy a Pioneer.  If you're buying an LCD buy a Sony XBR.  If you want the best set you can buy right now it's a Pioneer kuro but Pioneer doesn't make anything smaller than 50" which pretty much removes the impetus to even have a discussion of the plasma vs. LCD issue since you're set on something much smaller.


Jeeze, even I can't afford those!

 :flush:

You can get the 5020 delivered to your door from an authorized dealer for under $2600.  That may be a little spendy but it's not like they're way out of sight, particularly when people will drop $1500+ on junk. 
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: CrushNasty on December 18, 2008, 02:26:46 AM
Still sellin my 57" projection for $650!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: sys on December 18, 2008, 02:27:01 AM
you don't need a new tv.  do something worthwhile with the money.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: michigancat on December 18, 2008, 06:15:47 AM
Rusty, do you go on slickdeals?

http://forums.slickdeals.net/forumdisplay.php?sduid=0&f=9

See the categories on the left of each topic?  Click on "video"

Here is a good one. http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=1084406

46", but that's like a huge diff.

Site updates a sh*t-ton, so you have to search.  Just type in "37", "40", "42", in search.




never been there, thanks.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: cireksu on December 18, 2008, 06:43:10 AM
I've got a 37 inch LG LCD.  I got 42 originally  but took it back because My viewing area is small and I was getting blurs.  FWIW.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: ksuno1stunner on December 18, 2008, 09:47:33 AM
never been there, thanks.

http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=1081967

 :dunno:

Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: michigancat on December 18, 2008, 09:59:51 AM
pretty good, stunz.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: Rick Daris on December 18, 2008, 10:06:44 AM
fatwallet is the same as slickdeals but different ya know. Anyway...if you're not in some big hurry, I would just check both sites for the next few weeks and then pull the trigger when you see something that everyone else seems to think is a good deal.  The thing stun linked is decent but there have been better ones in the last month and will be better ones in the next month I would guess. :dunno:
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: ew2x4 on December 18, 2008, 10:58:25 AM
... you need to break them in to prevent burn in (you can burn free dvd's and play them on a loop over night and that will do it).

Completely false unless you're buying old stock from several years ago.

Not false at all. Most sets have features to counteract this (pixel wobbling). Some cheap budget brands are prone to this. Most notably, the new Insignias.

Burn-in is a thing of the past.  Image retention does occur on new plasma sets but is easily erased through normal viewing habits.  I was really worried about it when I first bought mine, but it really hasn't been an issue at all.  You don't even have to worry about pausing a game or movie, or leaving a menu screen up for a long time because of built in screen savers.

Wait, so it's a thing of the past, but it does occur? Gotcha.

Image retention (temporary) isn't the same as burn-in (permanent).  If you're going to offer your sage opinion you should at least be clear on the basic terminology.

I'm so sorry your eminence. Either way, it's not exactly a great thing to have to deal with. No need to act offended.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: AzCat on December 18, 2008, 11:52:11 AM
... you need to break them in to prevent burn in (you can burn free dvd's and play them on a loop over night and that will do it).

Completely false unless you're buying old stock from several years ago.

Not false at all. Most sets have features to counteract this (pixel wobbling). Some cheap budget brands are prone to this. Most notably, the new Insignias.

Burn-in is a thing of the past.  Image retention does occur on new plasma sets but is easily erased through normal viewing habits.  I was really worried about it when I first bought mine, but it really hasn't been an issue at all.  You don't even have to worry about pausing a game or movie, or leaving a menu screen up for a long time because of built in screen savers.

Wait, so it's a thing of the past, but it does occur? Gotcha.

Image retention (temporary) isn't the same as burn-in (permanent).  If you're going to offer your sage opinion you should at least be clear on the basic terminology.

I'm so sorry your eminence. Either way, it's not exactly a great thing to have to deal with. No need to act offended.

Guess you'll be going back to CRT since LCD screens suffer from image retention as well.  Oh wait .... :popcorn:
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: Skycat on December 18, 2008, 02:02:27 PM
For a 42" TV, 1080p isn't really worth any kind of price premium.  Unless you like to sit really close to the TV.
(http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.png)

Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: ew2x4 on December 18, 2008, 02:24:25 PM
... you need to break them in to prevent burn in (you can burn free dvd's and play them on a loop over night and that will do it).

Completely false unless you're buying old stock from several years ago.

Not false at all. Most sets have features to counteract this (pixel wobbling). Some cheap budget brands are prone to this. Most notably, the new Insignias.

Burn-in is a thing of the past.  Image retention does occur on new plasma sets but is easily erased through normal viewing habits.  I was really worried about it when I first bought mine, but it really hasn't been an issue at all.  You don't even have to worry about pausing a game or movie, or leaving a menu screen up for a long time because of built in screen savers.

Wait, so it's a thing of the past, but it does occur? Gotcha.

Image retention (temporary) isn't the same as burn-in (permanent).  If you're going to offer your sage opinion you should at least be clear on the basic terminology.

I'm so sorry your eminence. Either way, it's not exactly a great thing to have to deal with. No need to act offended.

Guess you'll be going back to CRT since LCD screens suffer from image retention as well.  Oh wait .... :popcorn:

OLED beyotch.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: AzCat on December 18, 2008, 03:33:15 PM
... you need to break them in to prevent burn in (you can burn free dvd's and play them on a loop over night and that will do it).

Completely false unless you're buying old stock from several years ago.

Not false at all. Most sets have features to counteract this (pixel wobbling). Some cheap budget brands are prone to this. Most notably, the new Insignias.

Burn-in is a thing of the past.  Image retention does occur on new plasma sets but is easily erased through normal viewing habits.  I was really worried about it when I first bought mine, but it really hasn't been an issue at all.  You don't even have to worry about pausing a game or movie, or leaving a menu screen up for a long time because of built in screen savers.

Wait, so it's a thing of the past, but it does occur? Gotcha.

Image retention (temporary) isn't the same as burn-in (permanent).  If you're going to offer your sage opinion you should at least be clear on the basic terminology.

I'm so sorry your eminence. Either way, it's not exactly a great thing to have to deal with. No need to act offended.

Guess you'll be going back to CRT since LCD screens suffer from image retention as well.  Oh wait .... :popcorn:

OLED beyotch.

CNT-FED.  Will require 10% the capital investment as LCD / OLED to begin production which pretty much guarantees that it's going to be the choice going forward. 
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: ew2x4 on December 18, 2008, 04:16:21 PM
... you need to break them in to prevent burn in (you can burn free dvd's and play them on a loop over night and that will do it).

Completely false unless you're buying old stock from several years ago.

Not false at all. Most sets have features to counteract this (pixel wobbling). Some cheap budget brands are prone to this. Most notably, the new Insignias.

Burn-in is a thing of the past.  Image retention does occur on new plasma sets but is easily erased through normal viewing habits.  I was really worried about it when I first bought mine, but it really hasn't been an issue at all.  You don't even have to worry about pausing a game or movie, or leaving a menu screen up for a long time because of built in screen savers.

Wait, so it's a thing of the past, but it does occur? Gotcha.

Image retention (temporary) isn't the same as burn-in (permanent).  If you're going to offer your sage opinion you should at least be clear on the basic terminology.

I'm so sorry your eminence. Either way, it's not exactly a great thing to have to deal with. No need to act offended.

Guess you'll be going back to CRT since LCD screens suffer from image retention as well.  Oh wait .... :popcorn:

OLED beyotch.

CNT-FED.  Will require 10% the capital investment as LCD / OLED to begin production which pretty much guarantees that it's going to be the choice going forward. 

How far along is development? I haven't heard much about it in a while.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: pissclams on December 18, 2008, 04:29:40 PM
you should stop by Azcat's television lab and find out.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: AzCat on December 18, 2008, 04:47:40 PM
How far along is development? I haven't heard much about it in a while.

Sony is alleged to be on the verge of offering FED displays as replacements for very high-end CRT monitors.  Some smaller companies are also promising the first high-end commercial products in '09 though at least one has run into financing issues in their attempt to secure manufacturing facilities.  I'd imagine that consumer-grade stuff will follow as the economy allows but I don't think there's any real question about the technology at this point. 
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: PCR on December 18, 2008, 06:37:10 PM
Rusty: I like the Panny's better because they have less glare.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: michigancat on December 18, 2008, 08:50:56 PM
Rusty: I like the Panny's better because they have less glare.

That's a fine reason.  The room for this should be very dark, mostly.  It's something good to look for, though.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: opcat on December 19, 2008, 02:15:57 PM
wait for sale?
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: ew2x4 on December 19, 2008, 03:26:15 PM
wait for sale?

http://gizmodo.com/5114159/price-drops-on-hdtvs-to-slowhalt-because-the-economys-in-the-toilet
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: catfan28 on December 19, 2008, 04:02:01 PM
You could always get this TV.......
http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/01/07/a0070183.jpg
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: cireksu on December 19, 2008, 04:11:15 PM
how big is your viewing area?  10+ feet or inside of 10 feet?
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: michigancat on December 19, 2008, 05:11:56 PM
how big is your viewing area?  10+ feet or inside of 10 feet?

Not sure (don't live there yet).  Probably about 10 feet.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: ew2x4 on December 19, 2008, 05:46:16 PM
how big is your viewing area?  10+ feet or inside of 10 feet?

Not sure (don't live there yet).  Probably about 10 feet.  :dunno:

Over 8', definitely get at least 42".
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: cireksu on December 19, 2008, 05:58:47 PM
I'd agree with ew.

my viewing area is small, generally less than 10 feet.

The 42 did not look good up close.

Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: ew2x4 on December 19, 2008, 07:03:28 PM
I'd agree with ew.

my viewing area is small, generally less than 10 feet.

The 42 did not look good up close.



720p or 1080p?
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: cireksu on December 19, 2008, 07:52:20 PM
I'd agree with ew.

my viewing area is small, generally less than 10 feet.

The 42 did not look good up close.



720p or 1080p?

720

Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: cireksu on December 19, 2008, 08:09:45 PM
my parents have 1080 and I wouldn't know the diff.

I would never pay to get it.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: AzCat on December 19, 2008, 09:12:14 PM
how big is your viewing area?  10+ feet or inside of 10 feet?

Not sure (don't live there yet).  Probably about 10 feet.  :dunno:

Over 8', definitely get at least 42".

http://myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: ew2x4 on December 20, 2008, 02:00:30 AM
how big is your viewing area?  10+ feet or inside of 10 feet?

Not sure (don't live there yet).  Probably about 10 feet.  :dunno:

Over 8', definitely get at least 42".

http://myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html

I've seen so many different graphs and calculations. Going to a store seems to be the only way to figure out what is most appropriate for each individual. Because cire, I would definitely notice, for better or worse.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: michigancat on December 28, 2008, 11:53:50 PM
I plan on going w/ this:

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Viera-TH-42PX80U-42-Inch-Plasma/dp/B00142HLV4/ref=pd_cp_e_2?pf_rd_p=413863501&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B001KOTTNY&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1YPEDXTPJ50W2H81HZFW#

Got the OK from the new landlord to get direct tv...what else should I buy?  Will my DVD player really piss me off and need upgrading?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: Saulbadguy on December 29, 2008, 12:03:46 AM
Your dvd player at least progressive scan (480p)?
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: michigancat on December 29, 2008, 12:12:44 AM
Your dvd player at least progressive scan (480p)?

No.  It's complete garbage. 
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: PCR on December 29, 2008, 12:30:01 AM
Get a new DVD player from Wal Mart for $40 or just take the plunge and get Blu-Ray, although you won't notice a huge difference unless you're  a real tweaker. 
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: Rick Daris on December 29, 2008, 07:49:46 AM
I plan on going w/ this:

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Viera-TH-42PX80U-42-Inch-Plasma/dp/B00142HLV4/ref=pd_cp_e_2?pf_rd_p=413863501&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B001KOTTNY&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1YPEDXTPJ50W2H81HZFW#

Got the OK from the new landlord to get direct tv...what else should I buy?  Will my DVD player really piss me off and need upgrading?  :dunno:

would buy wall mounts, cables, etc here...

http://www.monoprice.com/home/index.asp
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: steve dave on December 29, 2008, 07:53:07 AM
I plan on going w/ this:

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Viera-TH-42PX80U-42-Inch-Plasma/dp/B00142HLV4/ref=pd_cp_e_2?pf_rd_p=413863501&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B001KOTTNY&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1YPEDXTPJ50W2H81HZFW#

Got the OK from the new landlord to get direct tv...what else should I buy?  Will my DVD player really piss me off and need upgrading?  :dunno:

would buy wall mounts, cables, etc here...

http://www.monoprice.com/home/index.asp

Yes.  LOL at every rube who has purchased cables at Best Buy or anything with MONSTER written on it.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: Saulbadguy on December 29, 2008, 07:55:08 AM
I plan on going w/ this:

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Viera-TH-42PX80U-42-Inch-Plasma/dp/B00142HLV4/ref=pd_cp_e_2?pf_rd_p=413863501&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B001KOTTNY&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1YPEDXTPJ50W2H81HZFW#

Got the OK from the new landlord to get direct tv...what else should I buy?  Will my DVD player really piss me off and need upgrading?  :dunno:

would buy wall mounts, cables, etc here...

http://www.monoprice.com/home/index.asp

Yes.  LOL at every rube who has purchased cables at Best Buy or anything with MONSTER written on it.
Monoprice, FTW!!
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: michigancat on January 12, 2009, 01:27:54 PM
component uses RCA cables just like composite, right?  I could prob. make my own component cable from crap laying around the house?

DirecTV is getting installed today.  Just in time for tha game 2maro night.

:billypopcorn:

I've only been to watch DVD's on my crappy player, and so far I like the TV's display better than my uncle's 46" sony for DVD's.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: cireksu on January 12, 2009, 01:29:25 PM
component uses RCA cables just like composite, right?  I could prob. make my own component cable from crap laying around the house?

DirecTV is getting installed today.  Just in time for tha game 2maro night.

:billypopcorn:

I've only been to watch DVD's on my crappy player, and so far I like it better than my uncle's 46" sony for DVD's.

MacGyver it.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: PCR on January 12, 2009, 01:32:07 PM
Get a progressive scan DVD player and some component cables.  You can get it for less than $100. 
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: catdude33 on January 12, 2009, 01:48:04 PM
I also own the Panasonic 42PX80U.  Great tele.  I bought a set of 3 HDMI cables on Amazon for $8.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: Rick Daris on January 12, 2009, 01:53:36 PM
not to hijack krusty's thread... but I ordered this over the weekend. was going to get 42 but kinda decided at last minute to go a little bigger. anything will be better than the 27 inch eight yr old walmart sanyo that we currently have.

http://www.nfm.com/DetailsPage.ASPX?LVL1=ELECTRONICS&lvl2=Televisions&lvl3=All&lvl4=Flat%20Panel%20-%20Plasma%20and%20LCD&Page=5&Ipp=12&ProductID=28755825

Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: ew2x4 on January 12, 2009, 01:55:33 PM
If I get a tv anytime soon, I'll most likely get the Panasonic Plasmas. I need a review.

PS. Just get a cheapo blu ray from Best buy or Walmart. You can get good quality HDMI and wallmounts for real cheap at monoprice.com.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: AzCat on January 12, 2009, 01:56:41 PM
component uses RCA cables just like composite, right?  I could prob. make my own component cable from crap laying around the house?

DirecTV is getting installed today.  Just in time for tha game 2maro night.

You really want to use HDMI cables with DTV, quite a bit better than the component option.  Just buy the cheapest HDMI cable you can find. 
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: catdude33 on January 12, 2009, 02:03:56 PM
component uses RCA cables just like composite, right?  I could prob. make my own component cable from crap laying around the house?

DirecTV is getting installed today.  Just in time for tha game 2maro night.

You really want to use HDMI cables with DTV, quite a bit better than the component option.  Just buy the cheapest HDMI cable you can find. 

I've actually used HDMI and component one right after the other and didn't notice a difference in picture or audio.  I use HDMI because of the convenience of one cable for video and audio.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: steve dave on January 12, 2009, 02:04:52 PM
I've actually used HDMI and component one right after the other and didn't notice a difference in picture or audio.  I use HDMI because of the convenience of one cable for video and audio.

same for me
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: CrushNasty on January 12, 2009, 02:10:20 PM
not to hijack krusty's thread... but I ordered this over the weekend. was going to get 42 but kinda decided at last minute to go a little bigger. anything will be better than the 27 inch eight yr old walmart sanyo that we currently have.

http://www.nfm.com/DetailsPage.ASPX?LVL1=ELECTRONICS&lvl2=Televisions&lvl3=All&lvl4=Flat%20Panel%20-%20Plasma%20and%20LCD&Page=5&Ipp=12&ProductID=28755825



I basically have the same TV, PN50A450... probably just a very small difference in outputs/inputs, etc. But I've been pretty pleased with it.  Got it for $1000 with a $400 valued 5.1 Samsung surround sound included when Best Buy had them on sale. 

I'd say overall I'd give the TV a 4.3/5.0 stars!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: AzCat on January 12, 2009, 02:20:06 PM
component uses RCA cables just like composite, right?  I could prob. make my own component cable from crap laying around the house?

DirecTV is getting installed today.  Just in time for tha game 2maro night.

You really want to use HDMI cables with DTV, quite a bit better than the component option.  Just buy the cheapest HDMI cable you can find. 

I've actually used HDMI and component one right after the other and didn't notice a difference in picture or audio.  I use HDMI because of the convenience of one cable for video and audio.

Huge difference on DTV.  I tried both and the picture quality was noticeably worse with component on both sets.  Maybe you have a crappy set and can't see the difference. 
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: catdude33 on January 12, 2009, 02:43:06 PM
component uses RCA cables just like composite, right?  I could prob. make my own component cable from crap laying around the house?

DirecTV is getting installed today.  Just in time for tha game 2maro night.

You really want to use HDMI cables with DTV, quite a bit better than the component option.  Just buy the cheapest HDMI cable you can find. 

I've actually used HDMI and component one right after the other and didn't notice a difference in picture or audio.  I use HDMI because of the convenience of one cable for video and audio.

Huge difference on DTV.  I tried both and the picture quality was noticeably worse with component on both sets.  Maybe you have a crappy set and can't see the difference. 

Maybe you have a crappy set and can see the difference.   :nono:
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: michigancat on January 12, 2009, 02:49:03 PM
I also own the Panasonic 42PX80U.  Great tele.  I bought a set of 3 HDMI cables on Amazon for $8.

Yeah, but I want to watch tonight and don't want to spend $30 at target.  Will macgeyver some composite cables.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: pissclams on January 12, 2009, 03:46:39 PM
component uses RCA cables just like composite, right?  I could prob. make my own component cable from crap laying around the house?

DirecTV is getting installed today.  Just in time for tha game 2maro night.

:billypopcorn:

I've only been to watch DVD's on my crappy player, and so far I like the TV's display better than my uncle's 46" sony for DVD's.
no, they're not the same.  RCA has more resistance than Component.  you might be ok for standard definition stuff, you might just  get a black screen.  you should really order a cheap HDMI from monoprice, they're around $10.
here's a 6ft HDMI for $8
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024004&p_id=3661&seq=1&format=2

get it.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: AzCat on January 12, 2009, 05:24:14 PM
component uses RCA cables just like composite, right?  I could prob. make my own component cable from crap laying around the house?

DirecTV is getting installed today.  Just in time for tha game 2maro night.

You really want to use HDMI cables with DTV, quite a bit better than the component option.  Just buy the cheapest HDMI cable you can find. 

I've actually used HDMI and component one right after the other and didn't notice a difference in picture or audio.  I use HDMI because of the convenience of one cable for video and audio.

Huge difference on DTV.  I tried both and the picture quality was noticeably worse with component on both sets.  Maybe you have a crappy set and can't see the difference. 

Maybe you have a crappy set and can see the difference.   :nono:

Possible but hugely unlikely.   :D
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: ew2x4 on January 12, 2009, 05:43:06 PM
I've noticed a slight difference between HDMI and Component. Colors seem to be a lot better with HDMI, including blacks.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: AzCat on January 12, 2009, 05:59:24 PM
I see differences in sharpness & edges as well.  Which just makes sense as you're introducing an unnecessary video D/A and A/D step with component or composite versus HDMI. 
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: yoga-lika_abana on January 17, 2009, 05:16:03 PM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889433002


 :dunno: pretty cheap never heard of the brand.
Title: Re: Best 37" TV for Rusty KSU's Money?
Post by: ew2x4 on January 17, 2009, 09:30:54 PM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889433002


 :dunno: pretty cheap never heard of the brand.

Pass.

If you're spending hundreds of bucks for a tv, spend a couple hundred more for at least a middle tier brand like Vizio or something. Costco has a 47" Vizio 120hz for $998.