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What a garbage basketball coach.
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But he knows the right time to scream.
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LMAO. What a sh*t team ku has. Should have been a hint when you lose to syracuse at home.
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He is screaming a lot. Seeing that, I think this ku team will be awful and Self won't last much longer.
Why does he yell at his players so much?
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No, not tupee Bill? :dunno:
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Swearing at a ref then hiding behind Manning? Embarassing for Big XII. At least Frank has the balls to actually talk to ref.
I see Self hitting a (small or old) ref some day very soon.
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Swearing at a ref then hiding behind Manning? Embarassing for Big XII. At least Frank has the balls to actually talk to ref.
I see Self hitting a (small or old) ref some day very soon.
what a fracking psycho path. He needs all of his assistants to hide his rage?
It was embarassing for me watching it at home.
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Swearing at a ref then hiding behind Manning? Embarassing for Big XII. At least Frank has the balls to actually talk to ref.
I see Self hitting a (small or old) ref some day very soon.
Definetely should have been a T. What a dirtbag.
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Was that really the time to try and physically assault an official? I know he knows just the right times to fly into a blind rage so I was trying to tell why losing your mind on national t.v. at that point was so shrewd? I guess I don't get it.
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Was that really the time to try and physically assault an official? I know he knows just the right times to fly into a blind rage so I was trying to tell why losing your mind on national t.v. at that point was so shrewd? I guess I don't get it.
It's why you aren't a coach brah.
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Was that really the time to try and physically assault an official? I know he knows just the right times to fly into a blind rage so I was trying to tell why losing your mind on national t.v. at that point was so shrewd? I guess I don't get it.
It's why you aren't a coach brah.
In all fairness, I was a coach. Coached little league baseball. I yelled at everyone too. Players, parents, umps, concession workers, the orange slices for not being juicy enough, the equipment etc.
I was like Self but with a full head of flowing hair and no convicted criminals on my team.
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Best winning percentage over the last 5 years and a national championship was all smoke and mirrors. :jerkoff:
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:jayhook:
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does ku's ad have a black eye? and what is the thing on the fat kid's head, some sort of hair tattoo? what embarrassments.
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self is getting bit in the AASAA!
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Best winning percentage over the last 5 years and a national championship was all smoke and mirrors. :jerkoff:
But at what cost?
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The absolute jealousy over here never ceases to amaze me. You guys seriously are pathetic. Most of you have a very bad case of short man syndrome. You sure pay an awful lot of attention to a team you don’t consider a rival. I mean I do understand the excitement. No longer the third best team In the state but you have a long ways to go to even be in the same sentence as us.
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The absolute jealousy over here never ceases to amaze me. You guys seriously are pathetic. Most of you have a very bad case of short man syndrome. You sure pay an awful lot of attention to a team you don’t consider a rival. I mean I do understand the excitement. No longer the third best team In the state but you have a long ways to go to even be in the same sentence as us.
84-75 has you hot under the rug.
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO say the 6,000 fans in attendance.
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The absolute jealousy over here never ceases to amaze me. You guys seriously are pathetic. Most of you have a very bad case of short man syndrome. You sure pay an awful lot of attention to a team you don’t consider a rival. I mean I do understand the excitement. No longer the third best team In the state but you have a long ways to go to even be in the same sentence as us.
84-75 has you hot under the rug.
The best part about that is most of you think that score makes you legit! Do I need to post every score from the last 20+ years. Sir you have low BBIQ
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The absolute jealousy over here never ceases to amaze me. You guys seriously are pathetic. Most of you have a very bad case of short man syndrome. You sure pay an awful lot of attention to a team you don’t consider a rival. I mean I do understand the excitement. No longer the third best team In the state but you have a long ways to go to even be in the same sentence as us.
84-75 has you hot under the rug.
The best part about that is most of you think that score makes you legit! Do I need to post every score from the last 20+ years. Sir you have low BBIQ
Don't let it eat you up that uk went 1-1 against KSU last year. You have the title with the big asterisk next to it. That means something to some people too.
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The absolute jealousy over here never ceases to amaze me. You guys seriously are pathetic. Most of you have a very bad case of short man syndrome. You sure pay an awful lot of attention to a team you don’t consider a rival. I mean I do understand the excitement. No longer the third best team In the state but you have a long ways to go to even be in the same sentence as us.
84-75 has you hot under the rug.
The best part about that is most of you think that score makes you legit! Do I need to post every score from the last 20+ years. Sir you have low BBIQ
Try and put two and two together.... :baityes:
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=35299.0 (http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=35299.0)
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The absolute jealousy over here never ceases to amaze me. You guys seriously are pathetic. Most of you have a very bad case of short man syndrome. You sure pay an awful lot of attention to a team you don’t consider a rival. I mean I do understand the excitement. No longer the third best team In the state but you have a long ways to go to even be in the same sentence as us.
84-75 has you hot under the rug.
The best part about that is most of you think that score makes you legit! Do I need to post every score from the last 20+ years. Sir you have low BBIQ
Wanna a small side of 59-55 to go with that wahhhburger?
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Your right! Good point. I think about that one game in mancrappy every day. Not the destruction of UNC and win in the NC game. Again very low BBIQ.
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Are those really the only Two win you guys have to hang your hat on? Seriously!
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Dude, don't let it eat you up so much. You still have the tainted title.
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LOL at ku fans attempting to talk hoops. What an utterly retarded fanbase.
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Self is going to punch a woman if he gets any angrier.
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The absolute jealousy over here never ceases to amaze me. You guys seriously are pathetic. Most of you have a very bad case of short man syndrome. You sure pay an awful lot of attention to a team you don’t consider a rival. I mean I do understand the excitement. No longer the third best team In the state but you have a long ways to go to even be in the same sentence as us.
84-75 has you hot under the rug.
The best part about that is most of you think that score makes you legit! Do I need to post every score from the last 20+ years. Sir you have low BBIQ
Try and put two and two together.... :baityes:
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=35299.0 (http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=35299.0)
I dont get caught up in all that BS. Huggy/Frankinstien have made KSuck much better but still not legit. Sorry!
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Are those really the only Two win you guys have to hang your hat on? Seriously!
I would be fine if he wasn't such a psycho walking/talking/screaming embarrasment to the state of kansas which i love.
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Dude, don't let it eat you up so much. You still have the tainted title.
kinda like all your spelling bee, soil judging and debate championships?
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The absolute jealousy over here never ceases to amaze me. You guys seriously are pathetic. Most of you have a very bad case of short man syndrome. You sure pay an awful lot of attention to a team you don’t consider a rival. I mean I do understand the excitement. No longer the third best team In the state but you have a long ways to go to even be in the same sentence as us.
84-75 has you hot under the rug.
The best part about that is most of you think that score makes you legit! Do I need to post every score from the last 20+ years. Sir you have low BBIQ
Try and put two and two together.... :baityes:
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=35299.0 (http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=35299.0)
I dont get caught up in all that BS. Huggy/Frankinstien have made KSuck much better but still not legit. Sorry!
Obviously not
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Morris twins have go to be the biggest P. O. SHlTS to ever play college basketball.
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Dude, don't let it eat you up so much. You still have the tainted title.
kinda like all your spelling bee, soil judging and debate championships?
Those are legit, and not bought with dirty donor money like the 2007 NC was.
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Dude, don't let it eat you up so much. You still have the tainted title.
kinda like all your spelling bee, soil judging and debate championships?
Those are legit, and not bought with dirty donor money like the 2007 NC was.
We won a spelling bee? What are we, asian homeschooled kids?
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Self is going to punch a woman if he gets any angrier.
he already popped his boss. he's not a controlled person.
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kaboom
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LOL @ Self loosing his cool. He's completely out of control.
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That a boy Billy!
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you could see that coming a mile away. let's see if he manages to finish the game.
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Dude, don't let it eat you up so much. You still have the tainted title.
kinda like all your spelling bee, soil judging and debate championships?
Those are legit, and not bought with dirty donor money like the 2007 NC was.
I have heard there are some very rich alum from some of the soil judging teams of the past. Just sayin!
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The funny thing is that was uk's 6th team foul of the half and 12th of the game. Must be brutal
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I'll go ahead and apologize to any lurkers/fans from other schools outside the state of Kansas.
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LOL at ku fans attempting to talk hoops. What an utterly retarded fanbase.
QFT
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Between Self trashing up the Sprint Center with his childish antics and those s#1t Morris kids this has been an embarrasing day for the Big 12.
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Between Self trashing up the Sprint Center with his childish antics and those s#1t Morris kids this has been an embarrasing day for the Big 12.
And the 5,000 fans booing every whistle...I hope most folks are trimming their trees and not watching this Big 12 game.
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omg, self may kill that kid. i'm going to pray for him tonight.
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omg, self may kill that kid. i'm going to pray for him tonight.
Pray for Self's wife too.
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And the band breaks out into Twisted Sister for a bad fan sing along.
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And the band breaks out into Twisted Sister for a bad fan sing along.
They are sending a message to self... They are obviously fed up with his antics
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And the band breaks out into Twisted Sister for a bad fan sing along.
Fat, bearded drummer bangs out the beat. Collins misses FT because of absolutely retarded looking haircut. Self is going to break his thumb.
They thought umass traveled. NEvermind that Collins was hanging on guys back
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townsend now assaulting refs. There is not a team in America who year in and year out whines about calls than uk. I guess its part of the culture. Might work sometimes but ridiculous.
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Self tries playing 6 players against UMass, almost gets a technical.
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Self tries playing 6 players against UMass, almost gets a technical.
Nice that the refs waited for Aldrich to get off the court.
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Congrats to UMass for finally getting win number 3 on the season.
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LOL...why have all those 6'2" non rebounding guards in the game if your play is to have your short, fat ball hog go to the basket?
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Self tries playing 6 players against UMass, almost gets a technical.
Nice that the refs waited for Aldrich to get off the court.
I have never seen an official refuse to let a player inbounds the ball because the other team has 6 guys. WOW.
Tried to give Bill the game and he still couldn't beat umass.
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:kstatriot: <------------ with a minuteman
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Very poorly coached game Billy
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LOL...why have all those 6'2" non rebounding guards in the game if your play is to have your short, fat ball hog go to the basket?
He was assuming there would be a foul called. Bill usually makes sure of that.
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LOL...why have all those 6'2" non rebounding guards in the game if your play is to have your short, fat ball hog go to the basket?
He was assuming there would be a foul called. Bill usually makes sure of that.
QFT
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Congrats to UMass for finally getting win number 3 on the season.
I mean, I was worried they wouldn't be able to rebound from the losses to Toledo, Green Bay and Jacksonville State.
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Between Self trashing up the Sprint Center with his childish antics and those s#1t Morris kids this has been an embarrasing day for the Big 12.
And the 5,000 fans booing every whistle...I hope most folks are trimming their trees and not watching this Big 12 game.
I wathced but didn't listen. Still saw that Seff said bullshiz -- needs to control his temp, totally outa 'trol. I expect an apology in the paper.
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Between Self trashing up the Sprint Center with his childish antics and those s#1t Morris kids this has been an embarrasing day for the Big 12.
And the 5,000 fans booing every whistle...I hope most folks are trimming their trees and not watching this Big 12 game.
I wathced but didn't listen. Still saw that Seff said bullshiz -- needs to control his temp, totally outa 'trol. I expect an apology in the paper.
I wish he could get it in a national paper like USA Today. Game was on ESPN and now whole country thinks the Big XII buys national titles, shoot women and freak out on little old refs.
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LimestoneOutcropping = insanely skilled poster. JFC. really, this whole thread is great. it's absurd how good we can be. (as bbs'ers)
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Between Self trashing up the Sprint Center with his childish antics and those s#1t Morris kids this has been an embarrasing day for the Big 12.
And the 5,000 fans booing every whistle...I hope most folks are trimming their trees and not watching this Big 12 game.
I wathced but didn't listen. Still saw that Seff said bullshiz -- needs to control his temp, totally outa 'trol. I expect an apology in the paper.
I wish he could get it in a national paper like USA Today. Game was on ESPN and now whole country thinks the Big XII buys national titles, shoot women and freak out on little old refs.
I didn't watch the game, but after reading this board today, I have decided that uk has embarrassed not only the state of Kansas, but the Big 12, and the game of basketball itself. I'm calling for Self's immediate resignation. If he was cursing on the sidelines, he should have no place in the game.
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Between Self trashing up the Sprint Center with his childish antics and those s#1t Morris kids this has been an embarrasing day for the Big 12.
And the 5,000 fans booing every whistle...I hope most folks are trimming their trees and not watching this Big 12 game.
I wathced but didn't listen. Still saw that Seff said bullshiz -- needs to control his temp, totally outa 'trol. I expect an apology in the paper.
I wish he could get it in a national paper like USA Today. Game was on ESPN and now whole country thinks the Big XII buys national titles, shoot women and freak out on little old refs.
I didn't watch the game, but after reading this board today, I have decided that uk has embarrassed not only the state of Kansas, but the Big 12, and the game of basketball itself. I'm calling for Self's immediate resignation. If he was cursing on the sidelines, he should have no place in the game.
You are lucky you didn't watch especially if you can read lips. :scared:
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Between Self trashing up the Sprint Center with his childish antics and those s#1t Morris kids this has been an embarrasing day for the Big 12.
And the 5,000 fans booing every whistle...I hope most folks are trimming their trees and not watching this Big 12 game.
I wathced but didn't listen. Still saw that Seff said bullshiz -- needs to control his temp, totally outa 'trol. I expect an apology in the paper.
I wish he could get it in a national paper like USA Today. Game was on ESPN and now whole country thinks the Big XII buys national titles, shoot women and freak out on little old refs.
I didn't watch the game, but after reading this board today, I have decided that uk has embarrassed not only the state of Kansas, but the Big 12, and the game of basketball itself. I'm calling for Self's immediate resignation. If he was cursing on the sidelines, he should have no place in the game.
You are lucky you didn't watch especially if you can read lips. :scared:
I don't need to actually watch games. I get all my info second hand on message boards, then I like to make wild accusations based on this information.
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Between Self trashing up the Sprint Center with his childish antics and those s#1t Morris kids this has been an embarrasing day for the Big 12.
And the 5,000 fans booing every whistle...I hope most folks are trimming their trees and not watching this Big 12 game.
I wathced but didn't listen. Still saw that Seff said bullshiz -- needs to control his temp, totally outa 'trol. I expect an apology in the paper.
I wish he could get it in a national paper like USA Today. Game was on ESPN and now whole country thinks the Big XII buys national titles, shoot women and freak out on little old refs.
I didn't watch the game, but after reading this board today, I have decided that uk has embarrassed not only the state of Kansas, but the Big 12, and the game of basketball itself. I'm calling for Self's immediate resignation. If he was cursing on the sidelines, he should have no place in the game.
You are lucky you didn't watch especially if you can read lips. :scared:
I don't need to actually watch games. I get all my info second hand on message boards, then I like to make wild accusations based on this information.
Who doesn't?
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There's been no class on the sqwawk bench since Langton left.
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It was a shameless exhibition of "Self"ishness. I especially enjoyed coach Selfish running under the basket to dispute the authenticity of a call. Of course it was just a training session for ass. coach Manning, so he could learn how to better hold his coach back.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Embarrassing the state . . . geez totally out of control.
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there's gotta be some good youtube clips of self from this game :impatient:
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there were but they had to be taken down.
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there's gotta be some good youtube clips of self from this game :impatient:
his ducktail was in rare form/shape/detail today.
Do sweat glands dry up when you go bald, or is it the glue for the 'pee that causes that?
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The '05 ku team started out 3-4. This team is going to have some games like this. Pretty standard for a team that's got 7 newcomers and lost all five starters from the '08 Nat'l Champ team. Definitely a poor performance today.
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The '05 ku team started out 3-4. This team is going to have some games like this. Pretty standard for a team that's got 7 newcomers and lost all five starters from the '08 Nat'l Champ team. Definitely a poor performance today.
you know who else started out 3-4? these guys. (http://kenpom.com/sked.php?team=Kansas%20St.&y=2001&t=p)
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When Taylor plays like sh*t and Aldrich disappears, ku is going to lose more often than not. I'm hoping Mario Little lives up to that #1 Juco ranking.
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When Taylor plays like sh*t and Aldrich disappears, ku is going to lose more often than not. I'm hoping Mario Little lives up to that #1 Juco ranking.
Big 12 play won't be fun for you will it then?
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When Taylor plays like sh*t and Aldrich disappears, ku is going to lose more often than not. I'm hoping Mario Little lives up to that #1 Juco ranking.
when is he back?
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When Taylor plays like sh*t and Aldrich disappears, ku is going to lose more often than not. I'm hoping Mario Little lives up to that #1 Juco ranking.
when is he back?
Next week vs. Temple (Dec. 20th).
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crazy to expect much from him this year. 1st year jucos are usually pretty rough. add missing 2 months (?) of practice - if he even averages 15 minutes a game this season ku has worse depth problems than i thought.
should come in handy next year with the lack of elite wing incomers though.
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It won't matter how good Little is. Regardless of how much more experience the "kids" get, the ball will be in the hands of the fat little junkrubber in every game like this...and he'll drive and force up a shot - that everyone KNOWS is coming - regardless of how man McDonald's All Americans are on the court with him.
If you've got a basis for thinking this is gonna change, I'd like to hear it.
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The '05 ku team started out 3-4. This team is going to have some games like this. Pretty standard for a team that's got 7 newcomers and lost all five starters from the '08 Nat'l Champ team. Definitely a poor performance today.
you know who else started out 3-4? these guys. (http://kenpom.com/sked.php?team=Kansas%20St.&y=2001&t=p)
Nebraska 82, Kansas St. 56
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(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3244/3106133909_c11553f198.jpg?v=0)
:runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway:
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(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3244/3106133909_c11553f198.jpg?v=0)
:runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway:
"you can't expect us to win this game on our own you (martin)ing idiot!"
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lmao. umass, in kansas city. friggin ku hoops. so bad.
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(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3244/3106133909_c11553f198.jpg?v=0)
:runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway:
Just completely out of control . . .
sad
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2008 Technical Fouls: Self 1 - Martin 0
It's sad to see such a great coach cost his team a game with his out of control behavior. Hopefully Bill will grow from this.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3244/3106133909_c11553f198.jpg?v=0)
:lol:
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The '05 ku team started out 3-4. This team is going to have some games like this. Pretty standard for a team that's got 7 newcomers and lost all five starters from the '08 Nat'l Champ team. Definitely a poor performance today.
You realize you're starting 4 top 100 players, 2 of which were McDAA's, right? You have like 8 or 9 top 100 recruits on the roster.
What a garbage coaching job.
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I personally kind of like seeing the fire in Coach Self. Maybe he's overdueing it on purpose to fire up the team.
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FreeBirdDan wrote: I personally kind of like seeing the fire in Coach Self. Maybe he's overdueing it on purpose to fire up the team.
I agree with this. Also IMO, when the refs know that they blew a call or in this case didn't make a call, alot of times they don't " T " a coach up.
I like the fact that Self still has fire in his belly. My wife made the comment today about him b!tch!ng and moaning about anything and everything lately. It tells me that in spite of winning it all last year that he's not going to rest until he wins another one. I love it myself.
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I personally kind of like seeing the fire in Coach Self. Maybe he's overdueing it on purpose to fire up the team.
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FreeBirdDan wrote: I personally kind of like seeing the fire in Coach Self. Maybe he's overdueing it on purpose to fire up the team.
I agree with this. Also IMO, when the refs know that they blew a call or in this case didn't make a call, alot of times they don't " T " a coach up.
I like the fact that Self still has fire in his belly. My wife made the comment today about him b!tch!ng and moaning about anything and everything lately. It tells me that in spite of winning it all last year that he's not going to rest until he wins another one. I love it myself.
FreeBirds wife/boyfriend has a H'erBBIQ
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The '05 ku team started out 3-4. This team is going to have some games like this. Pretty standard for a team that's got 7 newcomers and lost all five starters from the '08 Nat'l Champ team. Definitely a poor performance today.
You realize you're starting 4 top 100 players, 2 of which were McDAA's, right? You have like 8 or 9 top 100 recruits on the roster.
What a garbage coaching job.
You realize you're calling a coach "garbage" that just won the f*cking 2008 National Championship? Self has a higher winning percentage than Roy Williams at this point in his ku career. ku returns zero starters from last season, has zero seniors on scholarship, and is starting two freshman, two sophomores, and a junior. For someone who likes to act like he knows about the sport, you sure are clueless, Rusty.
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http://www.kansascity.com/static/images/ku_UMass_gallery_121308/
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The pressure of all the cheating is burning him up from the inside. It's like the Telltale Heart.
Collins junk rubbing swept under rug by corrupt DA...ticktock
Arthur's doctored transcripts costing him a legit NC...ticktock
Morris Twins "Apex Academy" joke of qualification....ticktock
Morris twin shooting someone and it going away...ticktock
B Rush continually ignoring court orders...ticktock
One day he will snap...it's coming.
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The pressure of all the cheating is burning him up from the inside. It's like the Telltale Heart.
Collins junk rubbing swept under rug by corrupt DA...ticktock
Arthur's doctored transcripts costing him a legit NC...ticktock
Morris Twins "Apex Academy" joke of qualification....ticktock
Morris twin shooting someone and it going away...ticktock
B Rush continually ignoring court orders...ticktock
One day he will snap...it's coming.
:jerkoff:
Get back to me when someone commits a felony.
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Ben. You're an incredible idiot. Don't ever stop posting here.
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The pressure of all the cheating is burning him up from the inside. It's like the Telltale Heart.
Collins junk rubbing swept under rug by corrupt DA...ticktock
Arthur's doctored transcripts costing him a legit NC...ticktock
Morris Twins "Apex Academy" joke of qualification....ticktock
Morris twin shooting someone and it going away...ticktock
B Rush continually ignoring court orders...ticktock
One day he will snap...it's coming.
:jerkoff:
Get back to me when someone commits a felony.
Won't happen. Charles Manson would have walked free in Douglas county if he could stick the J.
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Ben. You're an incredible idiot. Don't ever stop posting here.
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When all else fails, resort to personal attacks, I guess.
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when all else fails resort to comparing scores.
:lol:
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when all else fails resort to comparing scores.
:lol:
:confused:
I guess I'll remember to use personal attacks instead of facts next time I'm making an argument.
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Frank Martin vs. Bill Self is 1-1
So, with your logic presented here Frank Martin = Bill Self
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Frank Martin vs. Bill Self is 1-1
So, with your logic presented here Frank Martin = Bill Self
can't argue those facts?
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Frank Martin vs. Bill Self is 1-1
So, with your logic presented here Frank Martin = Bill Self
Not even close. All things equal between Self and Calipari, I'll take the coach with the Nat'l Championship ring. All things equal with Self and Roy, I'll take the coach who won the head-to-head matchup by 18 points. Self also pwned Roy when he was with Illinois. Self also has a higher winning percentage at ku than Roy.
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When does self come out with the book "The art of defending Free Throws" by Bill Self.
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ku missed 18 of 31 free throws in the Nat'l Championship against Syracuse. Works both ways.
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ku missed 18 of 31 free throws in the Nat'l Championship against Syracuse. Works both ways.
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Sometime Self is so good at defending free throws that it actually works against him. He's that good
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I personally kind of like seeing the fire in Coach Self. Maybe he's overdueing it on purpose to fire up the team.
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Posted: Yesterday 11:41 PM
Re: Self and Flipping Out in the 1st Half
FreeBirdDan wrote: I personally kind of like seeing the fire in Coach Self. Maybe he's overdueing it on purpose to fire up the team.
I agree with this. Also IMO, when the refs know that they blew a call or in this case didn't make a call, alot of times they don't " T " a coach up.
I like the fact that Self still has fire in his belly. My wife made the comment today about him b!tch!ng and moaning about anything and everything lately. It tells me that in spite of winning it all last year that he's not going to rest until he wins another one. I love it myself.
FreeBirds wife/boyfriend has a H'erBBIQ
When your screen name starts with "Freebird," it can only end badly for you.
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ku missed 18 of 31 free throws in the Nat'l Championship against Syracuse. Works both ways.
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what does that have to do with bill self?
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Guys, guys. Let's not argue about this. Am I a great coach? &@#% yeah I am! All you haters just reinforce that.
I also want to let you guys know that Xavier Henry is in fact coming to ku. the whole going to Memphis thing is just an eloborate PUNK'D kutcher and I have orchestrated to totally own Calipari, again. LOLOLOLOL
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ku missed 18 of 31 free throws in the Nat'l Championship against Syracuse. Works both ways.
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what does that have to do with bill self?
Isn't it obvious?
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Ahhh!!
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ku missed 18 of 31 free throws in the Nat'l Championship against Syracuse. Works both ways.
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what does that have to do with bill self?
Isn't it obvious?
No, please elaborate on how seff being an embarassment to the state of Kansas contributed to that team missing all those free throws. :confused:
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What's ironic is that Frank Martin might be the most insane, out of control, foul-mouthed coach I've ever seen.
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What's ironic is that Frank Martin might be the most insane, out of control, foul-mouthed coach I've ever seen.
Then you apparently don't watch to much basketball.
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What's ironic is that Frank Martin might be the most insane, out of control, foul-mouthed coach I've ever seen.
Then you apparently don't watch to much basketball.
I watch plenty of basketball, and Frank Martin is one of the worst when it comes to his sideline demeanor. Even K-State fans have voiced their complaints.
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What's ironic is that Frank Martin might be the most insane, out of control, foul-mouthed coach I've ever seen.
Then you apparently don't watch to much basketball.
I watch plenty of basketball, and Frank Martin is one of the worst when it comes to his sideline demeanor. Even K-State fans have voiced their complaints.
Not this fan, bro.
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Bill Self knows the right times to yell. Just ask the guys on phog.
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What's ironic is that Frank Martin might be the most insane, out of control, foul-mouthed coach I've ever seen.
Then you apparently don't watch to much basketball.
I watch plenty of basketball, and Frank Martin is one of the worst when it comes to his sideline demeanor. Even K-State fans have voiced their complaints.
Not this fan, bro.
Why am I not surprised? It took a lot of K-State fans three years to realize that Prince was in over his head.
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2 and a half dickhead
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Once again I think all the ku validators must be about 14 years old . . . because it was a common occurrence for Larry Brown to have be physically restrained from attacking the officials when he was at ku . . . he'd just go nuts.
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What's ironic is that Frank Martin might be the most insane, out of control, foul-mouthed coach I've ever seen.
Show 'em how it's done Billy
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when does seff apologize?
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I'm concerned about the safety of the officials as long as Bill Self is a coach in the Big 12.
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I'm concerned about the safety of the officials as long as Bill Self is a coach in the Big 12.
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You'd think after a loss to a 2-6 team he would change his style a bit. ku's players must be a bunch of :ku: if they can't respond to billy's tantrums unlike Frank and his group of bad @ss mo fos. They get yelled at and say "hey, we'll just stomp this 2-6 team by 59 points." I love me some Frank!!! :kstatriot:
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You'd think after a loss to a 2-6 team he would change his style a bit. ku's players must be a bunch of :ku: if they can't respond to billy's tantrums unlike Frank and his group of bad @ss mo fos. They get yelled at and say "hey, we'll just stomp this 2-6 team by 59 points." I love me some Frank!!! :kstatriot:
No, no, no...we rip their throats out - spine and all, you know Predator-style. Billy Seff stomps.
Stomping (and cussing) = loss; ripping out throats = big win.
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LOL is this really 5 pages of KSU fans discussing amongst themselves topics they know are not true? Is this how far you all have fallen? Sad
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LOL is this really 5 pages of KSU fans discussing amongst themselves topics they know are not true? Is this how far you all have fallen? Sad
At least two pages have been ku posters responses :users:
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LOL is this really 5 pages of KSU fans discussing amongst themselves topics they know are not true? Is this how far you all have fallen? Sad
At least two pages have been ku posters responses :users:
ok at least you got some to bite. i stopped reading after the 5th or so post.
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No you didn't.
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LOL is this really 5 pages of KSU fans discussing amongst themselves topics they know are not true? Is this how far you all have fallen? Sad
At least two pages have been ku posters responses :users:
ok at least you got some to bite. i stopped reading after the 5th or so post.
You are quite possibly the dumbest person on the planet.
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Ben. You're an incredible idiot. Don't ever stop posting here.
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When all else fails, resort to personal attacks, I guess.
It's the fire in my belly. It's knowing just right time when to personally attack. It's having very high PAIQ. (personal Attack IQ). It's knowing when to run my PAOS's (personal attack offensive sets).
You should know this already.
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LOL is this really 5 pages of KSU fans discussing amongst themselves topics they know are not true? Is this how far you all have fallen? Sad
At least two pages have been ku posters responses :users:
ok at least you got some to bite. i stopped reading after the 5th or so post page.
FYP
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:lol: :love:
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:lol: :love:
QFT
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I wondered why he said "That taco was bullshiz" -- again I could only read lips as it was muted. Kinda like how Frank says "vacuum" alot.
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what a lunatic
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Salty iguana blew salty ass.
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It's true. I recommend the enchiladas and bean dip. :love:
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It's true. I recommend the enchiladas and bean dip. :love:
Obviously a sock. Everybody knows the real Bill Self is a burrito man.
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Did Roy Williams ever lose in Manhattan?
Seff may lose two in a row here. Frank Martin will likely be 2-2, maybe 3-1 vs Seff by the end of the year.
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the salty iguana is awesome.
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LOL is this really 5 pages of KSU fans discussing amongst themselves topics they know are not true? Is this how far you all have fallen? Sad
What isn't true?
You can't deny Self's national television meltdown. and you can't deny it was far worse than Frank saying frack to his OWN PLAYERS.
So, I guess you must be referring to Self's wig.
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the salty iguana is awesome.
...if you've never left Kansas.
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LimestoneOutcropping's suddenly becoming one of my fav. posters.
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Salty sucks . . . really just a stunning, embarrassing, humiliating for the state of Kansas meltdown by Bill Self.
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LimestoneOutcropping's suddenly becoming one of my fav. posters.
:santachimney:
Where have you been? I am everybody's favorite. Ask your neighborhood restaurant mgr./real estate tycoon, he fracking loves me.
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'member when I used to like, hate you, and sort of thought you were 'Pad's sock? Thoze were the dayz!
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'member when I used to like, hate you, and sort of thought you were 'Pad's sock? Thoze were the dayz!
:beerchug:
Has anyone seen me and Limestone in the same room??
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'member when I used to like, hate you, and sort of thought you were 'Pad's sock? Thoze were the dayz!
:beerchug:
Yeah, I was offended...I sort of thought you were that other dood who had the pooka shell necklace and went to umkc. Then I found out you weren't
And I thought THAT guy was Brew until Brew proved who he was by describing his land including intentionally misspelling the county and type of crop he was harvesting. That guy set me straight right quick.
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thats great. will you post the original pic with self, we could have some ms paint fun
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holy hell, thx 1420
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Is that Steve that T'd him up? :eek:
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Did Roy Williams ever lose in Manhattan?
Seff may lose two in a row here. Frank Martin will likely be 2-2, maybe 3-1 vs Seff by the end of the year.
I agree with the insinuation FHSU. ku should never lose to K-State in Manhattan. Not even once in 20 years. Losing to a Colorado or an Iowa State 6 times in 20 years (3 or which could be at home) is understandable. But, losing once to K-State on the road in 20 years is downright embarassing. After all, IT'S K-STATE jeez
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Did Roy Williams ever lose in Manhattan?
Seff may lose two in a row here. Frank Martin will likely be 2-2, maybe 3-1 vs Seff by the end of the year.
I agree with the insinuation FHSU. ku should never lose to K-State in Manhattan. Not even once in 20 years. Losing to a Colorado or an Iowa State 6 times in 20 years (3 or which could be at home) is understandable. But, losing once to K-State on the road in 20 years is downright embarassing. After all, IT'S K-STATE jeez
Point being, Roy never lost yet Seff did & they were never in the game so it wasn't like it was close. KenPom has predicted another L in Manhattan for the hayjox. If that happens, Seff would have split with kst8 more in 4 yrs than Roy ever did in 20. Either Seff is not as good and/or Frank is better.
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Self is a garbage basketball coach.
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It looks like he's doing some kind of David Blaine levitation thing.
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It looks like he's doing some kind of David Blaine levitation thing.
burrito kicking in?
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lol
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thats great. will you post the original pic with self, we could have some ms paint fun
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the salty iguana is awesome.
...if you've never left Kansas.
I went to Cancun when I was a senior in HS and Salty blew away anything I ate there so it must be pretty good. And authentic. :users:
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the salty iguana is awesome.
...if you've never left Kansas.
I went to Cancun when I was a senior in HS and Salty blew away anything I ate there so it must be pretty good. And authentic. :users:
Um. The food in Cancun is about as authentic as Taco Bell.
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24-5 (13-1), top 10 in the country... just a garbage coach.
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24-5 (13-1), top 10 in the country... just a garbage coach.
First intelligent post of yours in quite some time.
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Higher winning percentage than Roy while at ku, 5 straight Big 12 titles, a National Title, taken three different teams to the Elite Eight, sitting top 10 in the country a year after losing all five starters.... garbage coach.
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Higher winning percentage than Roy while at ku, 5 straight Big 12 titles, a National Title, taken three different teams to the Elite Eight, sitting top 10 in the country a year after losing all five starters.... garbage coach.
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Wow, did you take some sort of magic BBIQ enhancing supplement? It's almost like you're not even a uk fan, and you actually have watched the game of basketball before.
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Name one coach you'd rather have than Bill Self. Go ahead, I need a good laugh.
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Who left the door open? Ben got in again.
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Name one coach you'd rather have than Bill Self. Go ahead, I need a good laugh.
Coach K., Boeheim, Roy, Izzo, Calipari, Calhoun, Pitino, Travis Ford. To name a few.
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LOL at this thread.
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LOL at this thread.
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almost as funny as the ones where lil bro is hoping for martin to go 0-16
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Name one coach you'd rather have than Bill Self. Go ahead, I need a good laugh.
Coach K., Boeheim, Roy, Izzo, Calipari, Calhoun, Pitino, Travis Ford. To name a few.
Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
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Name one coach you'd rather have than Bill Self. Go ahead, I need a good laugh.
Coach K., Boeheim, Roy, Izzo, Calipari, Calhoun, Pitino, Travis Ford. To name a few.
Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
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QFT
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Name one coach you'd rather have than Bill Self. Go ahead, I need a good laugh.
Coach K., Boeheim, Roy, Izzo, Calipari, Calhoun, Pitino, Travis Ford. To name a few.
Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Nice logic. When you are unable to form a decent rebuttal, simply throw a bunch of emoticons into a post and call it good.
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Name one coach you'd rather have than Bill Self. Go ahead, I need a good laugh.
Coach K., Boeheim, Roy, Izzo, Calipari, Calhoun, Pitino, Travis Ford. To name a few.
Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Nice logic. When you are unable to form a decent rebuttal, simply throw a bunch of emoticons into a post and call it good.
Travis Ford
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Seff has proven himself to be a good coach but he's still learning. That Box & 1 in last year's NC game should have cost ku the game- something that I'm sure he would readily admit was a really, really, dumb move. His bigtime recruiting misses are starting to pile up too and something that can't continue.
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Self has had ten consecutive 23-win seasons. He's the only current coach who hasn't had a 10-loss season over the past 10 years. He's got a higher winning percentage at ku than Roy Williams. He just won the National Championship with ku and watched his Illinois team nearly win a National Championship in '05. The guy is only in his mid-40's and is already one of the best coaches in the country. Assuming ku wins against Tech/Texas, that's five Big 12 titles in a row.
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Self has had ten consecutive 23-win seasons. He's the only current coach who hasn't had a 10-loss season over the past 10 years. He's got a higher winning percentage at ku than Roy Williams. He just won the National Championship with ku and watched his Illinois team nearly win a National Championship in '05. The guy is only in his mid-40's and is already one of the best coaches in the country. Assuming ku wins against Tech/Texas, that's five Big 12 titles in a row.
for some reason i think you have that tattooed on your ass.
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Why do you guys always counter legitimate points with personal attacks? It's like you're just conceding that everything you've previously said is bullsh*t.
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Name one coach you'd rather have than Bill Self. Go ahead, I need a good laugh.
Coach K., Boeheim, Roy, Izzo, Calipari, Calhoun, Pitino, Travis Ford. To name a few.
You were going strong there and then Travis Ford came out. Did your fingers slip on a banana peel :)
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one (1) final four is pretty weak.
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Name one coach you'd rather have than Bill Self. Go ahead, I need a good laugh.
Coach K., Boeheim, Roy, Izzo, Calipari, Calhoun, Pitino, Travis Ford. To name a few.
You were going strong there and then Travis Ford came out. Did your fingers slip on a banana peel :)
Banana peel!?! What are you saying he's a monkey?!!!
Another example of ku's racism :chainsaw:
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one (1) final four is pretty weak.
qft how long has that douche coached?
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Just think, at one point we legitimately got to ask how many McD AA's and NBA lottery picks does it take for Bill Self to get past the 1st round of the NCAA tourney.
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LoLz at a high school coach having more Wz in his first 2 seezuns then Self in his first 3. It took Seff 4 yrs to get to 20 Wz, right? It'll only take Frank 3 yrs to get to a 30 W seezun.
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Just think, at one point we legitimately got to ask how many McD AA's and NBA lottery picks does it take for Bill Self to get past the 1st round of the NCAA tourney.
Well, he went to the Elite Eight with Tulsa in '00. How many McD AA's and NBA lottery picks were on that team?
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Just think, at one point we legitimately got to ask how many McD AA's and NBA lottery picks does it take for Bill Self to get past the 1st round of the NCAA tourney.
Well, he went to the Elite Eight with Tulsa in '00. How many McD AA's and NBA lottery picks were on that team?
Bentard . . . literally flailing at everything now.
Kind of sad.
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Just think, at one point we legitimately got to ask how many McD AA's and NBA lottery picks does it take for Bill Self to get past the 1st round of the NCAA tourney.
Well, he went to the Elite Eight with Tulsa in '00. How many McD AA's and NBA lottery picks were on that team?
Bentard . . . literally flailing at everything now.
Kind of sad.
That's about your 4th tapout of the day. Answer the question.
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Just think, at one point we legitimately got to ask how many McD AA's and NBA lottery picks does it take for Bill Self to get past the 1st round of the NCAA tourney.
Well, he went to the Elite Eight with Tulsa in '00. How many McD AA's and NBA lottery picks were on that team?
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the salty iguana is awesome.
...if you've never left Kansas.
I went to Cancun when I was a senior in HS and Salty blew away anything I ate there so it must be pretty good. And authentic. :users:
Um. The food in Cancun is about as authentic as Taco Bell.
:lol: :lol: I knew somebody would fall for that one. dumbass.
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to me hes always looked like a child molestar... :runaway:
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the salty iguana is awesome.
...if you've never left Kansas.
I went to Cancun when I was a senior in HS and Salty blew away anything I ate there so it must be pretty good. And authentic. :users:
Um. The food in Cancun is about as authentic as Taco Bell.
:lol: :lol: I knew somebody would fall for that one. dumbass.
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Angery Bentard . . . everything has to be caveat-ed for you for clarity . . . I should have said, "We could have legitimately asked the question. How many NBA Lottery picks and Mc D AA's does Bill Self need at ku to win a 1st round game."
Bentard . . . now perpetually :angryMJ:
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Angery Bentard . . . everything has to be caveat-ed for you for clarity . . . I should have said, "We could have legitimately asked the question. How many NBA Lottery picks and Mc D AA's does Bill Self need at ku to win a 1st round game."
Bentard . . . now perpetually :angryMJ:
Self took ku to the Elite Eight in his first year at ku.
:rolleyes:
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He also got busted out in the first round two years in a row . . . :rolleyes:
But then I am talking too Captain :jayhook: :jayhook: :jayhook:
Who seems to be perpetually . . .
:angryMJ:
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He also got busted out in the first round two years in a row . . . :rolleyes:
But then I am talking too Captain :jayhook: :jayhook: :jayhook:
Who seems to be perpetually . . .
:angryMJ:
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How are K-State's new practice facilities coming along? Break any ground on the construction yet?
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How is ku's standalone track and football only practice facility coming along?? Construction going well??
Nice Crewhouse . . . too bad Lew had to steal all the money from the students to make it happen.
You know I just calculated, ku athletics is $54 million dollars in debt.
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The area where the track facility is going is being used right now to store the materials for the practice facilities/AFH renovation. It's coming along nicely, though. They're making a lot of progress on it from what I can tell.
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The area where the track facility is going is being used right now to store the materials for the practice facilities/AFH renovation. It's coming along nicely, though. They're making a lot of progress on it from what I can tell.
So they are putting off breaking ground because they have to store construction materials there?
Time to hire some new engineers.
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Death, Taxes . . . and ku talking about building a stand alone track.
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Death, Taxes . . . and ku talking about building a stand alone track.
Revenue sports are the first priority. I'm sure they'll start the olympic sports complex next fall when the construction on ku's new practice facility/renovations to AFH is complete.
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Well. Bill is batting 1000% in his 1st final four. If he chooses to coach another 20 years he most likely will go down as the winningest coach ever.It's possible for him to reach 1000 career wins if he wants it. So, he was 46 when he won his 1st NC. He is in great company. Dean Smith was 50, Roy Williams 54, Coach K 43, Wooden 53, Pitino 44, Boeheim 58, Bob Knight had 2 by 47. You guys are really showing your lbbiq. :kstatriot:
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Death, Taxes . . . and ku talking about building a stand alone track.
Revenue sports are the first priority. I'm sure they'll start the olympic sports complex next fall when the construction on ku's new practice facility/renovations to AFH is complete.
Found an update on the AFH renovations.
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the salty iguana is awesome.
...if you've never left Kansas.
I went to Cancun when I was a senior in HS and Salty blew away anything I ate there so it must be pretty good. And authentic. :users:
Um. The food in Cancun is about as authentic as Taco Bell.
:lol: :lol: I knew somebody would fall for that one. dumbass.
Sure you did dude. Sure you did.
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u put upwards of 30 other coaches in the situation bill is in and they do as good or better. half the league doesn't give a crap about winning in basketball and with the unbalanced schedule ukans is a lock to finish in the top 2-3 every year and get a good seed out of it. you sprinkle in an ncaa that only cares about counting the dollars cbs sends their way which allows guys like self (and the school in general) to get away with whatever they want on the recruiting trail and you have one of the easiest situations to win in.
face it, self didn't do anything real special b4 ukans, and it took 5 yrs and 5 nba draft picks and a lot of cheating to finally get to the final 4 last season.
for self to prove anything to me he'll have to win w/o cheating and get to multiple final fours the next few yrs. (hell, roy went to more final 4s in his first 5 years and he started with far less in a much stronger league). doing great in the big 12 is completely meaningless, its a watered down league with little success nationally.
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u put upwards of 30 other coaches in the situation bill is in and they do as good or better. half the league doesn't give a crap about winning in basketball and with the unbalanced schedule ukans is a lock to finish in the top 2-3 every year and get a good seed out of it. you sprinkle in an ncaa that only cares about counting the dollars cbs sends their way which allows guys like self (and the school in general) to get away with whatever they want on the recruiting trail and you have one of the easiest situations to win in.
face it, self didn't do anything real special b4 ukans, and it took 5 yrs and 5 nba draft picks and a lot of cheating to finally get to the final 4 last season.
for self to prove anything to me he'll have to win w/o cheating and get to multiple final fours the next few yrs. (hell, roy went to more final 4s in his first 5 years and he started with far less in a much stronger league). doing great in the big 12 is completely meaningless, its a watered down league with little success nationally.
sigh (ghey)
anyway, bill had to filter out players and get his own to run his style of play. takes a few years for that process to take lbbiq nation. you bring up roy and his final fours and yet he did not get it done at kansas. bill is one for one at the final four. he'll be just fine and just think .....ksuck gets to deal with him for probably a couple more decades. :cheers:
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for self to prove anything to me he'll have to win w/o cheating
that's retarded. why prove you can win w/o cheating when no one cares if you cheat? seff and perkins are really good at what they do. they should be congratulated and we should try to emulate that.
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God Bill Self is such a terrible coach. It's not like he has taken a bunch of freshman and two upperclassmen and is going to win the Big XII for the 5th consecutive time. Man do I wish that ku had Frank Martin as their coach. Not to mention the Big XII tourney titles and the National Title from 2008. :dancin:
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God Bill Self is such a terrible coach. It's not like he has taken a bunch of freshman and two upperclassmen and is going to win the Big XII for the 5th consecutive time. Man do I wish that ku had Frank Martin as their coach. Not to mention the Big XII tourney titles and the National Title from 2008. :dancin:
A trained chimp could do that at uk. And a humanzee would have won multiple NCs with all the talent Self has had to work.
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I like Bill Self. He seems like a pretty cool guy. And one time I almost ran him over outside of the movie theatre and he didn't even act very pissed.
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I like Bill Self. He seems like a pretty cool guy. And one time I almost ran him over outside of the movie theatre and he didn't even act very pissed.
As long as you don't muss up the weave, you're fine.
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u put upwards of 30 other coaches in the situation bill is in and they do as good or better. half the league doesn't give a crap about winning in basketball and with the unbalanced schedule ukans is a lock to finish in the top 2-3 every year and get a good seed out of it. you sprinkle in an ncaa that only cares about counting the dollars cbs sends their way which allows guys like self (and the school in general) to get away with whatever they want on the recruiting trail and you have one of the easiest situations to win in.
face it, self didn't do anything real special b4 ukans, and it took 5 yrs and 5 nba draft picks and a lot of cheating to finally get to the final 4 last season.
for self to prove anything to me he'll have to win w/o cheating and get to multiple final fours the next few yrs. (hell, roy went to more final 4s in his first 5 years and he started with far less in a much stronger league). doing great in the big 12 is completely meaningless, its a watered down league with little success nationally.
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1. Bill Self has a higher winning percentage at ku than Roy Williams did when he was here. He's been better than any other coach in ku history. You're truly ignorant if you think 30 other coaches could just walk into ku and do what Self has done. It's not that easy to recruit and to meet the expectations at an elite school.. You want a recent example? Look at Kentucky. Look at the slump UCLA experienced during the Lavin era.
2. The Big 12 is one of the best conferences in the country, period. The past three years, the Big 12 has had the best player in the country: Durant, Beasley, and B. Griffin. No, the Big 12 isn't the Big East or even the ACC in most years, but it's a very good conference overall with a few big-time programs.
3. Reaching the Final Four isn't easy. Mizzou has never been to the Final Four in the history of their basketball program. Your expectations are insanely high if you expected Self to have multiple National Championships in his first five years at ku. So far, he's taken ku to three Elite Eights, one Final Four, and a National Championship. You can throw in multiple Big 12 conference titles on top of that.
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anyway, bill had to filter out players and get his own to run his style of play. takes a few years for that process to take lbbiq nation. you bring up roy and his final fours and yet he did not get it done at kansas. bill is one for one at the final four. he'll be just fine and just think .....ksuck gets to deal with him for probably a couple more decades. :cheers:
roy got to the FF within 2 yrs with a whole new system coming off of probation and didnt need 5 nba players or questionable recruiting to get it done
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for self to prove anything to me he'll have to win w/o cheating
that's retarded. why prove you can win w/o cheating when no one cares if you cheat? seff and perkins are really good at what they do. they should be congratulated and we should try to emulate that.
touche'
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1. Bill Self has a higher winning percentage at ku than Roy Williams did when he was here. He's been better than any other coach in ku history. You're truly ignorant if you think 30 other coaches could just walk into ku and do what Self has done. It's not that easy to recruit and to meet the expectations at an elite school.. You want a recent example? Look at Kentucky. Look at the slump UCLA experienced during the Lavin era.
2. The Big 12 is one of the best conferences in the country, period. The past three years, the Big 12 has had the best player in the country: Durant, Beasley, and B. Griffin. No, the Big 12 isn't the Big East or even the ACC in most years, but it's a very good conference overall with a few big-time programs.
3. Reaching the Final Four isn't easy. Mizzou has never been to the Final Four in the history of their basketball program. Your expectations are insanely high if you expected Self to have multiple National Championships in his first five years at ku. So far, he's taken ku to three Elite Eights, one Final Four, and a National Championship. You can throw in multiple Big 12 conference titles on top of that.
self started w/ more and the big 12 is a lot more watered down than the big 8 ever was.
i dont think i would consider lavin or gillespe good hires even at the time. could prob find 30 better coaches than those 2 when they were hired.
the big 12 is well known to have underachieved in the ncaa's and getting teams into the FF compared to most other conferences. face it, ukans is the only school in the big 12 that cares more about b-ball than fb and thats how its been for a long long time and it isn't that way in most of the other big conferences. theres at least more than 1.
i didnt say multiple nc's. i would have thought more than 1 FF if he's truly elite.
hey, i'll be all over self's nuts if he can get to another FF and ukans isn't on probation during or right after it. would like to see if he can do it w/ just 2 or less nba draft picks. my theory is he's pretty much all (questionable) recruiting and just out talenting a week conf to get a high seed in the tourney which usually equates at least sweet 16, and w/ a good matchup elite 8.
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sigh (ghey)
anyway, bill had to filter out players and get his own to run his style of play. takes a few years for that process to take lbbiq nation. you bring up roy and his final fours and yet he did not get it done at kansas. bill is one for one at the final four. he'll be just fine and just think .....ksuck gets to deal with him for probably a couple more decades. :cheers:
roy got to the FF within 2 yrs with a whole new system coming off of probation and didnt need 5 nba players or questionable recruiting to get it done
Point is roy was 0fer with all his final fours at kansas. Bill nailed his first try in his first 5 years. Brings a tear to your eye, you know what I mean? oh, never mind....it's kinda like being world champ in soild judging. :kstatriot:
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1. Bill Self has a higher winning percentage at ku than Roy Williams did when he was here. He's been better than any other coach in ku history. You're truly ignorant if you think 30 other coaches could just walk into ku and do what Self has done. It's not that easy to recruit and to meet the expectations at an elite school.. You want a recent example? Look at Kentucky. Look at the slump UCLA experienced during the Lavin era.
2. The Big 12 is one of the best conferences in the country, period. The past three years, the Big 12 has had the best player in the country: Durant, Beasley, and B. Griffin. No, the Big 12 isn't the Big East or even the ACC in most years, but it's a very good conference overall with a few big-time programs.
3. Reaching the Final Four isn't easy. Mizzou has never been to the Final Four in the history of their basketball program. Your expectations are insanely high if you expected Self to have multiple National Championships in his first five years at ku. So far, he's taken ku to three Elite Eights, one Final Four, and a National Championship. You can throw in multiple Big 12 conference titles on top of that.
self started w/ more and the big 12 is a lot more watered down than the big 8 ever was.
i dont think i would consider lavin or gillespe good hires even at the time. could prob find 30 better coaches than those 2 when they were hired.
the big 12 is well known to have underachieved in the ncaa's and getting teams into the FF compared to most other conferences. face it, ukans is the only school in the big 12 that cares more about b-ball than fb and thats how its been for a long long time and it isn't that way in most of the other big conferences. theres at least more than 1.
i didnt say multiple nc's. i would have thought more than 1 FF if he's truly elite.
hey, i'll be all over self's nuts if he can get to another FF and ukans isn't on probation during or right after it. would like to see if he can do it w/ just 2 or less nba draft picks. my theory is he's pretty much all (questionable) recruiting and just out talenting a week conf to get a high seed in the tourney which usually equates at least sweet 16, and w/ a good matchup elite 8.
Self took Tulsa to the Elite Eight in 2000. They didn't have any McDonald AA's or NBA draft picks. That argument just doesn't have any sort of validity. Self has won every place he's coached. The fact that Self and the ku coaching staff bring in talent is what makes them one of the best in the country. If you can't see the toughness and the defensive intensity that Self's teams display, you should just stop watching basketball.
The Big 12 is one of the top conferences in the nation. Outside of the ACC and Big East, every BCS conference is a "football conference." Football is the dominant revenue sport. When the Big 12 is bringing in talent like Durant, Beasley, B. Griffin, etc, etc, the notion that the Big 12 is "watered down" is completely laughable. Sure, this season, the Big 12 is down compared to what it has been over the last several years, but the '08 recruiting class was weak, so not as much one-and-done type of talent is on display this year.